YTSEJAM Digest 2381
Today's Topics:
1) re: Where in the worl is Mike Bahr?
by "OCdt S FORTIN" <FORTIN-S@banyan.rmc.ca>
2) greetings
by the-atman@juno.com (D. A. Abbe)
3) prog music quiz
by Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>
4) YTSEJAM digest 2379
by /G=Brian/S=Kirk/PRMD=ABB/ADMD=ATTMAIL/C=US/@EMX.abb.com
5) Re: prog music quiz
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
6) The REAL Definition of Prog
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
7) FS: Dream Theater Demo CD's - Majesty, etc.
by Tim <axe@mail1.nai.net>
8) King Diamond (absolutely NDTC)
by cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
9) WILMA internet radio
by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
10) Ultimate CD-missprint(NDTC)
by Kevin Villines <kvill@flash.net>
11) Re: Live Shows (Digest 2380)
by William Keyes <wkeyes@eis.net.au>
12) Re: Wo0h0o!
by William Keyes <wkeyes@eis.net.au>
13) Attention!!!
by LaSorsa/Matthews <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
14) double bass!
by LaSorsa/Matthews <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
15) more stuff (Angra, Maiden)
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
16) New DT Web RING Being Set Up!!!
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
17) _what_ is progressive rock?
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
18) Dave LaRue
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 97 1:34:52 EST
From: "OCdt S FORTIN" <FORTIN-S@banyan.rmc.ca>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: Where in the worl is Mike Bahr?
Message-ID: <vines.ua29+9wABnA@bansvcs.rmc.ca>
Xcuse man, but Mike is out of town till the 28th. He sent a message telling
I think. Anyway, you can also have those info on his webpage at:
http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
Sorry about that! Take care dude!
Dream Theater rulezzzzz!!!!
Dragon
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 00:46:48 -0600
From: the-atman@juno.com (D. A. Abbe)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: greetings
Message-ID: <19970323.004649.16478.26.the-atman@juno.com>
hey,
i'm new to the list and just wanted to say howdy. i was turned on to DT
through the Images disc and been hooked ever since. i got to see them
during the Awake tour in Oklahoma City and even though there was a really
crappy crowd, no enthusiasm, heck no life, i at least was able to see
them. so anyways, i guess the label is still being a bunch of pricks
about letting them into the studio????
see ya
by the way, Shadow Gallery, Cairo, Camel, and especially Kansas aint too
bad....
"on a winters night, the stars are cold and bright in the sky, the
slumber of the earth is pure and deep..."
Lamplight Symphony
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 97 01:32:42 -0600
From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: prog music quiz
Message-ID: <3334dc7a393e006@cliff.ou.edu>
Of the following groups, explain why/not each should be listed as
progressive music.
1. Camel
2. Tangerine Dream (specify year and members)
3. Pink Floyd (specify line-up and era)
4. U2
5. INXS
6. The Police/Sting
7. Alan Parsons Project
8. The Moody Blues
Notice that none of these ought to qualify as progressive metal.
(Anything to kill the Fix-or-DT (delirium tremens) discussions!)
jazzmin
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 03:07:54 -0500
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To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2379
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 01:09:08 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: prog music quiz
Message-ID: <199703230820.AAA27586@odin.ax.com>
> Of the following groups, explain why/not each should be listed as
> progressive music.
> 3. Pink Floyd (specify line-up and era)
I used to think of Pink Floyd as being what most people consider
progressive, but I think the best term to describe them would be
Symphonic Rock. Most of their stuff has a real thick and full
arrangement, and is something I can really mellow out to. On the
other hand, The Wall I think is rather progressive because of the way
it is put together. The way the music can reflect the mood of the
character represented in the lyrics. I've always love PF because of
the way they can capture a feeling in their music. Gilmour may not
be the most proficient guitar player out there, but personally I
think he is the most emotive.
Symphonic Rock. That's my answer. A close relative of prog. Pretty
much the same place I'd put Marillion. I've never really thought of
Marillion as prog, but this is as close as I can call it for the
emotive music they write.
Kewl Nuff?
KorgX3 a.k.a. ibanez@cyberhighway.net
http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ibanez/index.html
Disclaimer:
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 03:59:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: The REAL Definition of Prog
Message-ID: <01IGTTC6YRO2AUTXT1@alma.edu>
This is the guy who originally posed the question (at least originally
for this time around) about the definition of prog. After reading some of the
follow-up posts to this question, the real definition of progressive finally
hit me. Everyone definition that has been posted so far can be summed up as
follows: Progressive is the kind of music that the definer (I made a new
word!) likes best. With the exception of the posts that said what the actual,
real, straight-from-the-seventies definition of prog was (which, by the way,
I did already know), every post trying to define prog fell into this
category. I am guilty of this as well. Go back and read the posts. Every
person wrote about the things that they like best about the music they liked
best, and then said that was what made it progressive. So I guess, in an
unexpected way, I got my answer.
-Clark
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 06:54:08 -0500
From: Tim <axe@mail1.nai.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FS: Dream Theater Demo CD's - Majesty, etc.
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970323065403.0071e404@pop1.nai.net>
Hello 'Jammers!
I'm trying to sell off some CD's that I have. All of them are
_brand new_. You can view full setlists and other info on these
CD's at my website at: http://nw3.nai.net/~axe/dt.htm
The CD's I have for sale are:
DREAM THEATER - as Majesty: The 1986 Demo (1 CD)
I have 2 copies of this CD left.
DREAM THEATER - Instrumental II: Your Brain on Our music (1 CD)
I have 1 copy of this CD left.
DREAM THEATER - No Sleep Since Brooklyn/Instrumental 3 (1 CD)
1 have 5 copies of this CD left!
If you are interested in ordering any of these CD's, please email
me at: axe@ct1.nai.net .
Thanks!
Tim
axe@ct1.nai.net
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 97 13:37:40 GMT
From: cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List)
Subject: King Diamond (absolutely NDTC)
Message-ID: <M.032397.143740.53@wxs8-7.worldaccess.nl>
Yesterday, March 22nd, I saw King Diamond and Mercyful Fate in concert. It was
an amazing night, complete with interview and signing session, the works. But
this is not why I write about it.
For the past two weeks I've been having problems with my right wrist. It aches
a bit, and it just grew worse and worse, until yesterday afternoon I could
barely flex my right hand; even turning a key in a lock would cause a quick
stab of pain. I still felt it during the concert, too, and it prevented me from
air drumming.
After the show, at about midnight yesterday, I quickly met a totally exhausted
King Diamond, exchanged a word or two, got him to sign a few CD booklets, and
shook hands. Thinking no more of it, I took the train home. When I hit the sack
I noticed that, remarkably, that my right wrist had almost completely stopped
aching. I could flex it again.
A miracle?
Given King Diamond's occult background, can I now expect the devil on my
doorstep tonight, wishing to cash in my soul? :-)
Don't know why I mailed this to the Ytsejam, but you're all cool guys and I
thought this was too coincidental not to share. And, by the way, people who
want to turn this into a reli-thread: Buzz off!
-- /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Richard Karsmakers cronos@worldaccess.nl | \--------------------------------------------------------------/ C.R.I.M.E. Development; "Twilight World" Magazine; WWW-MMM "ST NEWS" ST/TT/Falcon disk magazine; "Ultimate Virus Killer" Gwar FUQ II & GEMulator FAQ maintainer P.O. Box 67, 3500 AB, Utrecht, Netherlands /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Q: What do you do when a musician comes to your door? | | A: Pay him for the pizza. | \--------------------------------------------------------------/------------------------------
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:41:45 -0500 From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: WILMA internet radio Message-ID: <199703231543.KAA05817@zork.tiac.net>
Hey guys,
I just found the most amazing online radio site. This place has like 50 different catagories of music and you click off which ones you want to listen to. For example, last night I chose progressive, great guitar, and classic metal. Between these three selections I heard 2 DT (Mirror, SDV) songs, 2 Rush songs, Queensryche, Steve Vai, Galactic Cowboys, Yes, King Crimson, Savatage, Tony Macalpine,Dixie Dregs...tons of great stuff! So next time you're pissed off at your radio station go to http://wilma.com/options/radio/ and have fun.
Adam
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 11:02:17 -0600 From: Kevin Villines <kvill@flash.net> To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ultimate CD-missprint(NDTC) Message-ID: <33356219.357A@flash.net>
I picked up a copy of David Lee Roth's A Little Ain't Enough CD and it had Van Halen-OU812 music on it. Unreal!
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 03:23:37 +1000 From: William Keyes <wkeyes@eis.net.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Live Shows (Digest 2380) Message-ID: <199703231723.DAA04021@tinny.eis.net.au>
Mark Metzger wrote: <<This is a decent thread to start even if it has minimal DT content and could quickly decompose into a top-5 kind of thing. The really unbelievable thing is that the two best performances that I have seen are jazz. Spyro Gyra in about 1977 at some grungy bar outside Buffalo (note DT content because of Jay Beckenstein). Then the Pat Metheny Group in Cambridge MA around 1987 (second show). The amazing thing is that both of these bands have the image in some circles as being wushy and both were "experimenting" with new music in a small setting. Well, here's for more experiments as they both played like mad. It continues to astonish me why the live CDs from these bands (especially Metheny) dont have at least some of these type of performances included. The word intensity was redefined.>>
Wow, that Spyro Gyra show is going back some! Do you remember who was in the band back then? Was it Eli Konoff(?) on drums, he really pounds!
I agree with you that their Live releases are somewhat 'tame'. It's a pity because lately these bands from the jazz fusion era seem to be mellowing out. Does anyone think the prog groups will follow a similar fate?
A Dream Theater fan from Australia, William Keyes wkeye@eis.net.au
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 03:23:42 +1000 From: William Keyes <wkeyes@eis.net.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Wo0h0o! Message-ID: <199703231723.DAA04024@tinny.eis.net.au>
Michael C. wrote: >>An unrelated question: Can some of you double-bass drummers out there >>tell me how you approach perfecting your double-bass drum playing? Do >>you plant your heels all the time and work on speed and consistency or >>do you play with your heels up using the balls of your feet or do you >>switch back and forth depending on the speed you need? Inquiring minds >>would like to know.
Ben Laussade replied: >Cogy!!! Long time no see! Anywho, when I play double bass, i usually always >play heels up, with balls of my feet. For slower parts, where heels down >might be considered...I usually just try to play that with one foot. i.e., >the double bass speed under "but don't cut your losses too sooooon.." in >6:00. On a good day I can actually play that one-footed. It's easier for me >to keep it steady that way. Actually, now that i think about it, I play >heel up all the time with double and single feet, with the possible >exception of playing jazz, where I'll play heel down to keep the volume down.
Man, double-bass playing aint no easy task! (maybe that's why I still play a single bass ). Seems most players who do play double kick, play with their heel up. It's apparently easier to achieve speed and precision. (Then again I read somewhere that Tony Williams plays with his heel down, single kick and boy what a speed monster he is!) So I guess it depends on what's most comfortable for the individual. One tip is to find a position on the edge of your stool and a counter balance with your feet(the balls of your feet, heels up) on the two bass pedals. An exercise to practise is rudiments. What you'd do with hands you 'd do with feet. Like paradiddles, double paradiddles etc... Have fun! Sorry gang if this is long and a little off topic.
>Ben Laussade isn't wearing any pants. Hey what gives??! LOL
Later all, William Keyes. (Brisbane, Australia) wkeyes@eis.net.au
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 13:09:01 -0500 (EST) From: LaSorsa/Matthews <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Attention!!! Message-ID: <199703231809.NAA09382@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
Hey there! Well, I've been sorting thru my jams and I must say that this whole thread about whether the fix boot is morally wrong or right is a double-edged sword. There are people claiming that its okay..others which are standing by the words of the band... That's cool in either case. But the whole idea of this is, if you don't want the band to lose respect for the jam because of this fix boot, then just don't talk about it anymore. This thread is drawing attention to itself no matter what side you're on. Let's just keep this quiet from here on in. If we keep debating this, then the more damage to the jam its going to do. Tony
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 13:16:30 -0500 (EST) From: LaSorsa/Matthews <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: double bass! Message-ID: <199703231816.NAA12358@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
Hello there! I just read a post about how some people use their double bass skills. This is my two cents. I started playing DB about 4 years ago and I've pretty much played with my heels down. I find that I'm much more accurate and faster that way. I really can't play for a long time with my heels up. But I can play a fast 16th note double bass pattern for hours on end with my heels down. I think its all in the way you're used to playing. I can do both, but feel a lot more comfortable playing heels down. I still get the power I need with heels down, plus a lot more accuracy. A good exercise to do is just play a steady 16th note pattern with your hands doing the same thing. Just keep doing that for like 5 to 10 min at a time. Your stamina will increase dramatically. Tony
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 15:06:49 -0800 From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1) To: "ytsejam mailing list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: more stuff (Angra, Maiden) Message-ID: <19970323201409.AAA17634@alexis1>
Hello. Here's some stuff to contribute to the huge amounts of NDTC. I got Angra's "Angels Cry" yesterday. This CD rules! These guys are so good. This one's easier to get into than Holy Land b/c it's more metal. They're both great anyways. I finally figured out who Andre Matos reminds me of. He reminds me a lot of John Arch, but with a wider range and more versatility. This guy's vocal chords are definitely blessed. The song Wuthering Heights is amazing. I think it's a cover, but I had never heard it before. About Iron Maiden, I think the departure of Adrian Smith hurt them, but I don't think they died as a result of it. I mean, the albums after 7th Son were not up to par with 7th Son or older stuff, but they weren't bad. And I think the departure of Bruce had no effect whatsoever on their sound, except for the obvious change in vocals. Blaze is no Bruce, and I think there were a lot better choices than him out there, but he's not that bad. I've definitely heard worse. About the X-Factor, I think it's better musically than Fear of The Dark and NPFTD. I think the music went up in quality, even though the vocals went down. Well, that's it. Bye.
Alexis
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 14:45:41 -0500 (EST) From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New DT Web RING Being Set Up!!! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970323143750.23110A-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
Alrighty, someone had this idea a while back to set up a DT webring...Myself and a few others said we'd go for it, but nothing happened, so...while browsing I found this Kick ASS ring creator and guess what we now have!!! Yes, our very own Dream Theater Web Ring managed by yours truly! Title: Lifting Shadows Off A Ring
No heres where you guys come in fellow home page owners/developers...I have to do most of my computer related BS from a lab computer since my home computer isn't quite in existance yet...thus crappy graphics design capabilities. I've seen Pat's Awesome graphics on his homepage for the Ytsejam shirts, and I know some of you can do some MEAN shit with 3d graphics...animated or not, so here's what we need to get started. A "Lifting Shadows Off A Ring" Logo/graphic/picture/whatever, and it needs to kick ALL ASS seeing as how we are doing this for The Absolutly Coolest band around! Animated Pixs would be best, but are not essential. Also, I need some background graphics, and various other crap/ideas to make the main ring homepage look sharp! All involved artists WILL get credit where it's do, as well as web exposure of their talent, and will also have input on the looks of the homepage! Finally, if you have a page you want in the ring (there's like 150+ DT related sites now) PLEASE E-mail me!!! Let's get this sucker up and running so we can make it easy to check out the Coolest DT pages out there! Later kids!
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 14:42:00 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Yitz-say-jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: _what_ is progressive rock? Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970323144031.30117B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
since there's all this talk about "what is prog" i thought some of you might appreciate this.
>How exactly do you define progressive rock?
I loved this reply which appeared in the Letters column in the September 1993 issue of Keyboard magazine:
To be classified as prog rock, music must adhere to the following criteria:
1. Songs can be no less than seven minutes in length, except in the case of the prog rock/techno crossover, in which case five minutes is acceptable.
2. Anything in 4/4 is immediately disqualified.
3. The composition must contain at least three of the following instruments: Mellotron, Hammond B-3, Moog Modular (Minimoog acceptable) or any synth made before 1984 and weighing more than 100 lbs. Instruments must also go out of tune after every third song.
4. Performers must be able to play in several time signatures at once, with no one part recognizable as a singable melody.
5. A minimum of five key changes is required for each five minutes of music.
7. Try to find a beat. If you can't, it's prog rock.
8. If the composition wanders aimlessly, it's definitely either prog rock or Dave Stewart on painkillers.
9. If anyone under the age of 30 likes it, it is not prog rock.
10. And finally, if you can dance to it, it isn't prog rock.
Steven W. Wagenheim Roselle, New Jersey
This response is from from the Letters column in the October 1993 issue of Keyboard:
If a band meets five or more of the following criteria, they're prog:
1. At least one member uses Greek mythology or Zen koans as lyrics - at any rate, nobody knows what the hell the singer is talking about.
2. A typical song lasts longer than your average shower.
3. On many songs, each musician plays in an entirely different meter and/or key.
5. The keyboardist has more synthesizers than fingers.
6. Bill Bruford was a drummer at some point.
7. Their album covers depict strange animals crawling over weird geological formations into which blue-pigmented children have carved stairways.
8. They can sell out an arena and still have more lights on stage than people in the audience.
9. Rolling Stone and Phil Collins would both rather burn alive than hear this group's latest album.
Terrell Miller Norcross, Georgia
And I can't forget Keith Emerson's reply: "It is music that does progress. It takes an idea and develops it, rather than just repeat it ... Progressive music takes a riff, turns it inside out, plays it upside down [and] the other way around, and explores its potential."
Dave Stewart also wrote a reply to this question, but I haven't been able to unearth it yet.
------------------------------------------------------------------------- "..666 is no longer alone. he's getting out the marrow in your backbone, and the seven trumpets blowing sweet rock and roll gonna blow right down inside your soul. pythagoras with the looking-glass, reflect the full moon. in blood, he's writing the lyrics to a brand new tune.." * * * * * * * * * * mike ostrich e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/ offical lemur voice homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur-lemur-main.htm
(c) 1997 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 15:59:29 -0800 From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1) To: "ytsejam mailing list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dave LaRue Message-ID: <19970323210647.AAA17154@alexis1>
I hope one of you could help me. I just found out that Dave LaRue released a CD called "Hub City Boy" or something like that a few years ago. Could somebody please let me know how this CD sounds and where i could get it? I love Dave LaRue, so I would definitely want to know more about this CD. Also, has anybody heard of his band "Lax" with Van Romaine? If somebody has, ahve they released anything? Thanks for the info, if any of you know some.
Alexis
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