YTSEJAM Digest 2386
Today's Topics:
1) request
by IVillan420@aol.com
2) DS **important**
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2384
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
4) Re: own label
by petedz@interaccess.com
5) Learning to Seive
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
6) Silverwave Records.
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
7) DT On Elektra?!?!?!?
by James <rycher@pacbell.net>
8) Re: WILMA internet radio
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
9) RAINN concert
by "I don't know, it's up to you..." <bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2385
by XFILE11971@aol.com
11) Re: WILMA internet radio
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
12) DT boots
by ITCHAK SCHWARZBARD <is01133@mis.finchcms.edu>
13) Re: King Diamond (Long, NDTC)
by "Derrick S Collins" <derrick@cycor.ca>
14) RE: Flecktones
by Mark Hatch-Miller <ace@onfire.net>
15) phew!
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
16) Michael Harris CD's
by cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
17) aaaiiiiieeeee!!!!!!
by cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:50:09 -0500 (EST)
From: IVillan420@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: request
Message-ID: <970324184828_-1806017823@emout10.mail.aol.com>
I would like information on Dream Theater items for sale, please send me info
at Ivillan420@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:33:55 -0600
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DS **important**
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970324233355.00861064@mail.inlink.com>
hey! does ANYONE have two extra seats reserved for the Derek clinic in St
Louis on april 2nd? even if ONE extra, please, email me
~Rip
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:43:03 -0500 (EST)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2384
Message-ID: <199703250043.TAA32207@wicked.stigmata.org>
> From: Mamalookabubuday <skooc@earthlink.net>:
> Alright! Ben should have the server down to himself and JimmyC in no time ;)
blah :P
> Seriously though, I imagine it'll be down to zero in less than a week. Every
> person has an opinion, and for every opinion there's another who doesn't agree
> with it. So therefore everyone who types anything will piss off someone else.
> Maybe before someone gets banned there should be some way to check to make
> sure the complaint is valid. After all there are a lot of people who live
> to make life miserable for others.
I'm not gonna take anyone just saying so and so was being a pain in
the ass or something like that, I am only going to take serious complaints.
That's why I said I was going to ignore any people saying things in the next
few days. I also am around alot more than it seems to be, so I usually
have a decent idea of what is going on.
> WOW! death threats, even Sledge wasn't *that* insane. Boy, you leave a place
> for a few months and the whole thing goes to hell. Jeez, it's just a bunch of
> words on a computer screen, no reason to go threatening people's lives.
That's exactly how I'm thinking :)
Skadz
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:48:05 -0600
From: petedz@interaccess.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: own label
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970325004805.0068b97c@pop.interaccess.com>
>Instead of creating their own label, they could put out the grungiest,
>nastiest sounding, poorly written album, get lots of airplay, become
>popular, famous, and then put out their real album.
Let's hope that is Queensryche's plan...oh, they already are popular
and famous. Never mind.
Yes, I've heard the new one. No, this isn't a troll. :)
-- Pete Dziadzka------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:15:50 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Learning to Seive Message-ID: <199703250127.RAA13260@odin.ax.com>
> why would labrie say "this is something new we've been working on" > refering to "to live forever" on a 1993 boot (dance of eternity) when the > song also appears on a 1989 boot as well (consciously unreal)? might they > be trying to pass off old unreleased material as all out new material? > might they be (gasp) lying?
I dunno. I can honestly say, however, that I have yet to hear the song the same way twice. Maybe he just meant they're working on getting a studio recording done of it. Too bad they didn't leave that outro solo on the studio. What is that one? Moon Bubbles? Barfbag? I know the one after that was Showdown, or was the whole thing Showdown? That's always bugged me, never figured it out, don't think it's for sure in the FAQ either, I may be wrong...
KorgX3 a.k.a. ibanez@cyberhighway.net http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ibanez/index.html Disclaimer: The content expressed in the previous document is not the opinion of the author. The author is exonerated of anything written therein. Viewer discretion is advised.
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:24:07 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Silverwave Records. Message-ID: <199703250135.RAA13325@odin.ax.com>
Hiya folx.
I just thought i'd mention (as someone did before) about this Silverwave records co. They're a label specializing in New Age and Native American music. I just got my sampler CD today and it's all pretty good. There's only two songs I didn't really care for, one being a salsa type song. There's actually a couple of CDs I'm tempted to check out.
Get your FREE sampler CD by going to: http://www.silverwave.com/contest.html
I'll even give you the answers....
a. Aras c. Flute b. Lorin Greene (this one sounds kewl) d. Trio Globo a. How the West Was Lost c. Joanne Shennandoah
Of course some of this sounds like the stuff they play in the background at Albertson's, but so far it's rather enjoyable.
It only took them about a week to send me my CD, too. :) Sounds like a reliable place to me. :)
Later! KorgX3 a.k.a. ibanez@cyberhighway.net http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ibanez/index.html Disclaimer: The content expressed in the previous document is not the opinion of the author. The author is exonerated of anything written therein. Viewer discretion is advised.
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:26:28 -0800 From: James <rycher@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT On Elektra?!?!?!? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970325022628.00699c34@pacbell.net>
Greeting fellow Jammerz!
You all may find this interesting.... While browsing the Ibanez home page, I followed the artists link to the section on John Petrucci and look at the following tidbit I found: (Note the Current Status part)
*snip*
Band: Dream Theater Style: Progressive Rock
Label: Elektra=20
Guitarist: John Petrucci=20
Main Guitar: Production JPM100
Current Status: Dream Theater is preparing to go into the studio in March to record their first full-length album for Elektra. John recently recorded a 30 minute audio lesson tape for Ibanez that will be included with the purchase of a new Rock & Play II practice unit.
*snip*
If this is true, I don't think we could have asked for anything better for the band. Has anyone else heard this, or is this something WAY old that I never picked up on?!?! I hope it's true, because just imagine the possibilities with Elektra behind the band!!!!
Take er easy everyone
=A0
!!!!!!! (=F4 =F4) +-----oOO----(_)----------------+ | Got a message from | | Rycher for ya! | +------------------------oOO----+ |__| |__| || || ooO Ooo
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Date: 24 Mar 97 18:10:39 -0800 From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: WILMA internet radio Message-ID: <199703250255.SAA13488@mailsun3-fddi.us.oracle.com>
adam cook wrote: >I just found the most amazing online radio site. This place has like 50 >different catagories of music and you click off which ones you want to >listen to. For example, last night I chose progressive, great guitar, and >classic metal. Between these three selections I heard 2 DT (Mirror, SDV) >songs, 2 Rush >songs, Queensryche, Steve Vai, Galactic Cowboys, Yes, King Crimson, >Savatage, Tony >Macalpine,Dixie Dregs...tons of great stuff! Cool! Glad you like it. That's actually my CD collection you're listening to. I've been helping the founders of the company supply their "Great Guitar" and "Progressive" channels. I've currently loaned them about 1/3 of my collection, but within a month or so the guitar channel should be absolutely LOADED with great stuff. There will also be a bit better selection of progressive materials, although I admit that my collection is strongest in the guitar department.. enjoy! -Neil. /===============================================================\ | Neil Evans Phone: 415.506.3503 | | Server Technologies Division Fax: 415.506.7370 | | Oracle Corporation email: nevans@us.oracle.com | \===============================================================/
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:17:35 EST From: "I don't know, it's up to you..." <bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RAINN concert Message-ID: <009B1C32.05869400.25@bigvax.alfred.edu>
Ytsejammers, if anyone taped the RAINN concert that was on Lifetouch in January, please e-mail me here at BOLANDDT@bigvax.alfred.edu I am interested in getting a copy, for both personal like of Tori Amos and because I am the head of a group on campus that deals with many of the same issues as RAINN does. thanks in advance, dave boland
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:19:58 -0500 (EST) From: XFILE11971@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2385 Message-ID: <970324231958_-1203058400@emout19.mail.aol.com>
Please do not send any more e-mail. Thank you. xfile11971@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:07:57 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: WILMA internet radio Message-ID: <199703250419.UAA14584@odin.ax.com>
> Cool! Glad you like it. That's actually my CD collection you're listening > to. I've been helping the founders of the company supply their "Great Guitar" > and "Progressive" channels. I've currently loaned them about 1/3 of my > collection, but within a month or so the guitar channel should be absolutely > LOADED with great stuff. There will also be a bit better selection of > progressive materials, although I admit that my collection is strongest in the > guitar department..
I must say you kick ass then. I've been listening to that all night and am incredibly impressed. This is the kewlest place I have ever been. It is my daily mecca. I have to go get that Bela Fleck CD tomorrow. :)
Later! KorgX3 a.k.a. ibanez@cyberhighway.net http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ibanez/index.html Disclaimer: The content expressed in the previous document is not the opinion of the author. The author is exonerated of anything written therein. Viewer discretion is advised.
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:26:43 -0600 (CST) From: ITCHAK SCHWARZBARD <is01133@mis.finchcms.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT boots Message-ID: <9703250526.AA25307@mis.finchcms.edu>
> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:15:28 -0400 > From: Cliff_Totten@discovery.com > Subject: The ONLY boots that hurt DT > > > The ONLY bootlegs that I would NEVER buy: > > 4.) I would never..... EVER... deal with any recording that would steal > potential money away (and degrade the official album sales) from the band > that I love so much.
How would selling a boot to people on THIS list hurt sales? Everyone here is a damn DT groupie are would probably eat the corn out of JP's shit if given the chance (no offense). Why would anyone spend 25-30 bucks on a live bootleg (whose quality is intrinsically probably worse than the original) and not buy the CD for 12 bucks when it comes out, but spend 2 hours every fucking day sifting through loads of garbage with the hope of maybe picking up some miniscule morsel of DT-related information? I (obviously) totally support this effort, and if Jeremy needs any help.... don't ask me, I'm in medical school and fucking really BUSY!!! :) ---Ba ba booey
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 02:24:54 -0330 From: "Derrick S Collins" <derrick@cycor.ca> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: King Diamond (Long, NDTC) Message-ID: <199703250555.BAA03990@bud.peinet.pe.ca>
> His earlier albums are probably the best. I think Abigail, Them, > Conspiracy, and The Eye are definitive KD. The Graveyard sucked, and the > SPider's Lullabye was wanting, IMHO. > > The early Mercyful Fate stuff is great too...I haven't heard their latest
> album, but I own everything prior,and can vouch for its quality.
Sorry for the long NDTC post, but I've just got to defend one of my all time favorite CDs. IMHO, "The Graveyard" most certainly does not suck! It's the best release of last year. "The Spider's Lullabye" and "A Dangerous Meeting" are excellent too. As for Mercyful Fate, I've got "In The Shadows", "Time", and their new one, "Into The Unknown" and they're all great. My only problem with the new MF is that it's way too short, under 45 minutes. To everyone who's heard "The Graveyard" and says it sucks, how about explaining why? I'll try to explain why I love it so much. It tells a complete, well written story, over the course of 14 songs and 61 minutes. I think of this CD as one long song that's divided into 14 parts, and the sum of those parts is greater than the parts themselves. The music is really good, with lots of heavy guitars and keyboards, and sets a great mood for the story. The musicianship is good, if not great, but that's not what this CD is about. It's a story set to music, like watching a movie. KD is playing the lead role through his superb vocals. He really gets into the character of an escaped mental patient, who seeks revenge on the mayor who had him locked away for crimes the mayor himself committed. There's much more to the story, so buy the CD to find out the rest. :) When I'm listening to this CD I find myself visualizing it as if I'm reading a good book. I always start with the first track and can't help but listen right through to the last track. There are few CDs in my collection where I never skip tracks. Even with my DT CDs, I usually find myself skipping over the slower songs. For me, listening to this CD, in it's entirety, is a thoroughly engrossing experience unlike any other CD I've ever heard. What else can I say but, King Diamond's "The Graveyard" rocks my nadz! :)
As for the question "Do you think that KD *really* is a Satanist or is it just a gimmick to sell records?", I'd guess that it's true, but I don't really care what his beliefs are, as long as he continues to make music that entertains me.
To those who actually like "The Graveyard", what do you think the song "Daddy" is about? It seems to me like it's getting into the background story of KD's character but it doesn't seem to fill in all the details. Maybe there'll be a sequel to "The Graveyard" that takes place in the childhood of KD's character. That would be really cool. :)
Derrick Collins
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:10:21 -0700 From: Mark Hatch-Miller <ace@onfire.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Flecktones Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970324230928.0068fb50@onfire.net>
Regarding the post about Bela Fleck and the Flecktones:
Someone DOES make something similar to the drumitar thing they use. Its called the ZenDrum and I read in an interview that the guy from the flecktones use one of em sometime. Also, I am readlly into fusion and prog, should I check out this group?? Ive never heard anything from them, but Ive heard some good things.. what are they like.
Other stuff.. Why does everyone get so excited at finding LATM for $16???? I got it for $11 at Best Buy..
I picked up WDADU today at my favorite record store... It ROCKS!!! Id heard most of the songs before (LATM, IAW Live in Tokyo, etc), and they are definately great songs.. the quality is GREAT too, which I didnt expect. Immediately recognizable as DT.. plus Charlie Dominici isnt bad.. he isnt great either tho. I also picked up Metallica's AND JUSTICE FOR ALL (its cool man, ive been wanting to get this one for a while, just always put it off), Slayers DIVINE INTERVENTION (rockin, very thrashy), Megadeth's first CD KILLING IS MY BUSSINESS.. AND BUSSINESS IS GOOD (I finally find the ORIGINAL PRESSING with These Boots on it.. I think its pretty rare, so I picked it up even though I already have the other version of the CD.. and I got it for only $8!!), and last but CERTAINLY not least, Cacaphoney's SPEED METAL SYMPHONY. It ABSOLUTELY ROCKS!!! Ive never really heard any dual lead stuff quite like it before, and it RULES... Marty Friedman and Jason Becker are gods..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Deep RUSH Thoughts:
I don't think that we should hold the Red Star proudly high in hand because those things are damm hot and you could get burned.
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 01:06:00 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: phew! Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9703250013.A1007-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Well, I finally caught up on back jams after being away for a week. It's really funny about some threads. You don't realize how long it takes them to die until you read 35 jams in 3 or 4 sittings.
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> From: Matthew Sirois <ms014e@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> > Subject: learning to live > > why would labrie say "this is something new we've been working on" > refering to "to live forever" on a 1993 boot (dance of eternity) when the > song also appears on a 1989 boot as well (consciously unreal)? might they > be trying to pass off old unreleased material as all out new material? > might they be (gasp) lying?
My guess would be because the version on the Lie single (recorded circa 1994) is rather different from, say, the version on the Milan '93 boot, and they probably *were* still adding the finishing touches.
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> From: James.Bustos@abq.sc.philips.com > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2384 > > DID EVERYONE KNOW THAT THE REASON KING DIAMOND USED TO PAINT HIS > FACE WAS BECAUSE HE WAS HIDING FROM DEMONS, OR SO I HEARD. IS THERE > ANYONE WHO HAS ALSO HEARD THIS?
I THINK THE WHOLE WORLD HAS NOW HEARD THIS. SO STOP shouting.
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> From: Sean Malone <malone@arts.usf.edu> > Subject: Progressive ===> Regressive > > The purpose of any kind of definition is to provide an objective > description of something; of fundamental concepts pertaining to some kind > of an existant. The problem that we often have in defining something that > we are passionate about, is that the passion creeps up in the definition; > quantitative words are given a qualitative connotation. A definition > should be quantitative - why? otherwise the definition becomes subjective > and suggestive, weakening the argument for it.
Leave it to a grad student to inject this sort of logic into the debate. :) In all seriousness, though, I think Sean brought up some points that are vital to this discussion.
> When we call something 'heavy metal', we instantly > understand, in *quantitative* terms, what that music sounds like - the > tone of the guitars, style of singing perhaps, overall speed and > 'heaviness'. But when we call something progressive, that is a > *qualitative* term also.
That seems to be the general problem with the definitions I've seen.
> ANother problem in some of these definitions has been the switching > of cause and effect. For instance, people have often provided in the > definition, the fact that progressive records don't sell very much, and > that the audience is smaller. I think of this as an effect of progressive > music, not something that causes or promotes it.
Wow, there's something else I hadn't considered. Sean, you should post more often. :)
> I'm on the quite unpopular side of thinking that labels are a good > thing. people are always saying that labels 'restrict' the band they are > describing (to which I agree to some degree) but ultimately, it is the > only way we have of handling all of the information out there. A band's
I had a discussion recently with my mother about the new ratings for tv shows. I told her why I dislike them - you know, people I didn't choose are choosing what gets rated how, yada yada - and she brought up an interesting point. It doesn't really matter what gets classified as what, as long as the classification is consistent. Even if "TV-14" means stuff that people really ought to be 18 to view, as long as the definition is consistent (if poorly named), everyone knows what everyone's talking about. Something to consider when classifying music.
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> From: kristopher long <long16@matrix.newpaltz.edu> > Subject: Billy Sheehan- Niacin > > For those jammers who are into fusion/groovy/funky kinda stuff, i have a > suggestion. I was doing my show for my college radio show and I found this > cd by Billy Sheehan (unbelievable bass player from Mr. Big, also on the > Working Man Rush Tribute), a guy who plays a hammond organ (i think his > name's Novello), and this kick-ass drummer (can't remember the name).
Oh, man, where'd you find this? In a regular CD shop? I'm dying to get my hands on this.
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> From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> > Subject: The great "fix" controversy. > > I have a few questions to answer relating to the "fix" tapes and the > controversy relating to them.
Man, this is *still* going on?
Look, I understand that people want the fix tapes, and they'll probably get them if they want them. But why discuss it *here*? If you're gonna trade this stuff, why advertise it to the band?
Aw, fuck it, I'm not getting involved in this one.
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> From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) > Subject: own label > > >Here's a thought- why don't Dream Theater put out their new CD on their own > >label.
They can't right now because they are currently under contract with a label. The label (Elektra) has exclusive rights to release DT stuff.
The Digital Man is wearing Ben Laussade's pants.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:26:04 -0600 From: cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Michael Harris CD's Message-ID: <19970325062323202.AAA81@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
Those of you looking to get your hands on some Michael Harris CD's, they are now available on CDEurope http://www.cdeurope.com I'm sure CDEurope has been in the topic of a previous Ytsejam at one time or another while those discussions were going on... I personally have no idea what CDEurope is like, but i'll give it a looky. I highly recommend picking up any Michael Harris CD you can find - good stuff!
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:32:18 -0600 From: cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: aaaiiiiieeeee!!!!!! Message-ID: <19970325062942898.AAA88@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
Well, CDEurope is alright, but those Harris CD's I spoke of are mighty expensive... I think it would be easier to order from Harris himself.... mail guitout7@aol.com and ask for a mail order catalogue... he'll send you one in ze mail... but hey! - Michael Harris is on the net! Oh yeah- you can also find one of his other bands, ArchRival on Alchemy MetalNet! http://www.atmnet.com/~riddler/alchemy maybe there'll be a Michael Harris web page one day... hmmmm
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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