YTSEJAM Digest 2394
Today's Topics:
1) Silent Lucidity Dance RX
by "Francesco" <francesco.b.meschino@som.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2393
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
3) shows
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
4) we be free
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
5)
by "Kasper, Robert" <RKasper@aus.etn.com>
6) Top 10 Grunge Tribute Albums!!!
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2393
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
8) QR and grunge influence
by svjohnson@amoco.com
9) I'm ALMOST BACK! PT TO SHIP!!
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
10) Sold Out/New Queensryche
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2391
by Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:21:05 Central Standard Time
From: "Francesco" <francesco.b.meschino@som.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Silent Lucidity Dance RX
Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970327122022.53d7d31e@mail.som.com>
Hi People,
I was just wondering if anybody heard the Dance Remix of Silent
Lucidity. I just got this newsletter from this Dance Music store
(Yes I like Club\Techno music) and it was like number 25 on their
local chart. I've never heard or even known it existed. Maybe it's
a local Chicago Rx, who knows?
Later,
Francesco
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:28:41 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2393
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970327120330.11771D-100000@enteract.com>
> From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net>
> Subject: Re: Jon Finn Group/Stimulating Dream/Wacky!!!!!!
> Surely, this is a joke. Yeah, there IS a lot of shredding. There's also
> some great phrasing, some wicked work with a drum machine, good use of
> keys, and some great interplay between the guitar and drum parts. Good
> god, if you don't think this stuff is good, how did you end up hanging
> around the 'jam in the first place??
Um... Jon's been around for a long time, and he's a friend of the
Wacky One. I think you misunderstood his comment.
> Symphony X - S/T How does it compare to Damnation Game?
> (also, has anyone found Divine Wings of Tragedy anywhere for < $30???)
The vocals are weaker. Different singer. DWoT is usually on sale
for about $32. It's worth much much more. IMO, easily their best album,
and also IMO the best Prog Metal album ever.
> From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
> Subject: TOP x lists
> WHY NOT...
> S H U T U P ! !
<SNIP>
> NO TOP WHATSOEVER ON THE JAM ! !
> ..CAN YOU READ THIS ?
> I guess you're a newbie, or else you should know by now.
What the fuck is this newbie bashing all about? For all you know
he may be older than yuo, and have played music for longer/been a DT fan
for longer. I don't see how the time frame during which he joined the jam
makes any difference. Sure, correct someone if they're wrong, of course.
But don't you think insults are a bit extreme for the post he sent?
> You have a private e-mail address: use it.
Maybe when you have a flame that's this pointless to send, YOU
should use a private address.
> From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
> Subject: Re: Top Ten
> -FLAMES NOT BE ALLOWED,
Agreed.
> -RELIGIOUS discusions NOT BE ALLOWED
Agreed.
> -Watch our language in describing things. FUCK need not be used
> everytime. (I have been guilty of this a couple times myself, but NOT
> NEARLY as often as everyone else...)
Fuck that. I think you should all shower more regularly... I skip
a shower every now and then, but I'm WAY FUCKING cleaner than everyone
else. I think all you guitarists should quit guitar. I screw up a note
every now and then, but not NEARLY as fucking often as everyone else.
(Just mirroring your sentiment, which is either egotistical, or came out
plain old wrong.)
> Anyway, I pbably overreacted to your e-mail, but I just think that it's
> kinda unfair that I get the corrective voice thrown at me so quickly.
You have to expect some ribbing when you make a suggestion like
you did. Most of the comments were not flames. I only saw one, and I did
speak up about that.
> Also, I AM STILL INTERESTED IN PEOPLE'S TOP 10 LISTS. PLEASE E-MAIL ME
> PERSONALLY AT jcase@rossby.ou.edu
I think the jam will benefit from a poll like this, so long as
it's done in private e-mail.
> Least favorite: "Get A Life". What was Geoff thinking on that chorus!
My GF and I agreed on this as well, on Tuesday. That song is
just... not good. Listen to it and you'll prolly understand.
My QR Review
The new album is a grungier album, to be sure, HOWEVER, I don't
think you can call it a sell out. If QR wanted to sell out and go Grunge
I think they did a poor job. Some of the melodies and ideas are just not
"hip" enough by MTV/Radio standards to sell, I think. I believe this is
the natural progression for this band. They want to get away from their
80's sound that we loved so much.
I think about half of the album is good, and half of the album is
bad. There are no killer solos, but I expect none from QR. They lack
some of the harmonies I had hoped for (Dual guitar or background vocals)
and I think Geoff needs to do more.
Overall, I found the album to be okay. It's not worth the money
IMO (I bought a copy for Maddy), but then, I'm a guitarist, and I really
love complex music or grooving music. The good songs on HitNF are
grooving... none are complex. If you dig this album, more power to ya.
I personally think that the band I know as Queensryche is no more.
I don't hate the pod people that have replaced them... I just miss the
old QR. The tour will be my only hope for a revitalized opinion of the
band.
- Chris
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:55:03 -0600
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: shows
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970327185503.00877d98@mail.inlink.com>
>
>>Just to make you jealous I'll list the bands that I will probably see
>>live within the next two months: Dream Theater, Enchant, Angra,
>>Eldritch, Threshold, Symphony X, Lemur Voice, Fates Warning, Conception!
>
>Nothing worse than a gloater. Or is there nothing worse than a
>hypocrite... This is my list of upcoming shows, scoff where you may!
oh yeah, well i guess its time to unleash my list!!!
3/29 JACK
4/13 SHIT
4/24 AND
4/25 A
4/29 BIG
4/30 FAT
5/1 LOAD
5/4 OF
5/9 NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
all in the st louis crapolitan area. :) actually its not bad, i believe
rush is coming, queensryche will probably come, if u2 tickets arent sold out
i should get some of them... heh..
BOW TO ALL THE COWS !!!!!!!!! MY COWS OF THE UNIVERSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:58:17 -0600
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: we be free
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970327185817.0075f8cc@mail.inlink.com>
>
>You're allowed to dislike whatever you want. This is a free society.
>But you're not allowed to be an asshole about it. We're not *that* free. :)
sure you are, you're allowed to... though you just may get your ass
kicked... or wind up with a second asshole kicked in. :)
better to be an asshole than a whole ass,
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:30:21 -0500
From: "Kasper, Robert" <RKasper@aus.etn.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_ATTMAIL%p=ETNWHQ%l=EXCHANGE-970327193021Z-5487@sentry.bev.etn.com>
Pete Dziadzka wrote:
>> QR peers with Kurt Cobain? Ouch! That is the worst insult anyone could
>> lay on a musician or a human being in general. The only thing that
>> disappoints me about Cobain is that he recorded albums before taking his
>> own life and leaving his child without a father.
IMHO, QR are definitely peers with Cobain, as well as other
Seattle-based bands. Granted that their early work doesn't have the
same sound as many Seattle bands, but they are peers nonetheless. I
think QR are the better musicians, but both bands are rock bands, both
are Seattle bands, and both are popular nationally. I agree that Cobain
was a rather pathetic individual, but he was a talented songwriter and
musician long before he became a self-pitying, drug-addicted suicide
victim. (Is suicidee a word?!)
Rob
"Everything is True. Even false things are True."
- Malaclypse the Younger, O.P.
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:28:53 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Top 10 Grunge Tribute Albums!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9703271425.A25193-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2392
>
> Did somebody pee in your gene pool or something? (j/k)
Ouch!!!! :)
----> From: YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu> > Subject: SellOut?!? > > I am basing the term sellout on Radio airplay. I, personally, don't care > if a band has sold out or not. If the music sounds good to me, thats ALL > that matters. Just because the music sounds different does not mean they > soldout. QR's new one still has that same QR feel to it.
Bravo. OK, now about QR - does it sound like QR doing grunge, or grunge bands doing QR? I'm tempted to buy this thing just to get an idea for what all of you are talking about (and to see this cover artwork).
Speaking of artwork - does anyone else miss the days when cover art really *was* art? The old Zep albums, and stuff like that? I mean, take a look at FW's "Inside Out." WTF is that? Or Metallica's Black Album.
Boy, I really gotta choose better stuff to get under my skin.
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> From: Matthew Sirois <ms014e@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> > Subject: apocalyptic eschatlogy > > i completely agree. anacrusis stands in my mind as one of the strongest, > most unique, creative, intelligent, ass-kicking bands of all time. their > break up broke my heart, but they left us some phenomenal work regardless.
Yeah. I have "Screams and Whispers" and there's some really great work on that disc. How many did they make? Any of the band members doing anything now?
> dt question... on images and words, was the end of pull me under a cut off > in the studio, or does the band actually just stop? i realize in concert the > latter occurs, but it sounds as though they just cut the recording short for > the cd.
They cut it off because Mike's hair was getting in the way, so he stopped playing. Hence the reason he shaved it off.
> also, without a doubt, the vocals are far superior on images and words. > awake is too growly, distorted, would be grunge. lie would be far better if > the chorus wasn't sung so horridly.
But that style fits in a song like "Lie." I mean, the persona in that song is fucking pissed. If James had sung that the way he sung "Another Day," for instance, it just wouldn't have carried the same emotion.
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> From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu> > Subject: Re: Top Ten > > > Becuase according to the list rules, top ten lists ARE NOT ALLOWED!!! > > > > Please re-read the rules posting you got when you subscribed before you make > > any more suggestions. > > Excuse me! I've seen A LOT worse posts than the suggestion that we learn > more about other's musical tastes. I DO recall this rule, so I > apologize. But, what about all that total CRAP about DT tribute and the > flames and arguing, etc. Also, the religious arguments, ripping apart > others favorite bands, etc. Then, I get flamed for once posting something > that goes against the > rules (in a harmless fashion I may add). I think you're enforcing the
Well, first of all, it is against the rules of the list. True, there's been some dumb shit on the list lately, but the notion that top-10 lists are somehow less bad doesn't make them more good.
> *WRONG* rules on this jam! Further, I HAVE seen others posting lists, > such as top ten Letterman-type lists, NOT EVEN RELATING TO DT CONTENT or > music! I don't normally get pissed, but I've been one of the FEW who > have been upholding proper standards for this JAM. This is quite > disturbing getting quickly rebuked for one lonesome post I had!!!
I don't think Pat was attacking you for the idea, and I'm sure he didn't mean it as a personal attack. Yes, the other top 10 lists (while occasionally quite amusing) don't belong here either. I'm sure Pat just had the best intentions for the list in mind.
> -Watch our language in describing things. FUCK need not be used > everytime. (I have been guilty of this a couple times myself, but NOT > NEARLY as often as everyone else...)
What the fuck do you mean by that?
> My $2 worth....
Damned inflation!
> Also, I AM STILL INTERESTED IN PEOPLE'S TOP 10 LISTS. PLEASE E-MAIL ME > PERSONALLY AT jcase@rossby.ou.edu
Cool.
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> From: Pete Dziadzka <petedz@interaccess.com> > Subject: Re: Grunge > > >There are a lot of amazing talents in grunge rock > > Personally, I can't think of a single one. Certainly not the > people you name later in your post.
Depending on what is still considered grunge these days, I'd have to disagree with that. (I don't watch MTV much at all, and I don't listen to the radio, so I don't know what's still grunge or not.) But some of the bands that were in that scene were/are quite talented.
Does AIC fit under the grunge umbrella? They're damned good. Soundgarden? They kick my ass. Seven Mary Three, while not technically outstanding, know how to write a catchy tune.
Try to avoid those over-generalizations.
> QR peers with Kurt Cobain? Ouch! That is the worst insult anyone could > lay on a musician or a human being in general. The only thing that
It's true. They were both professional musicians at the same time, from the same area, and in the same (very general) genre of music (perhaps more so now, judging from what I've heard about HitNF).
> disappoints me about Cobain is that he recorded albums before taking his > own life and leaving his child without a father.
That's a whole other debate.
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> From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> > Subject: (no subject) > > song structures, etc. But that album's lyrics blow this away. Definitely > a new turn for the original Seattle band...
Don't forget the Jimi Hendrix Experience! (Or Heart, for that matter.)
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:35:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2393 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970327142814.8973B-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
On Thu, 27 Mar 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net> > Subject: Re: Jon Finn Group/Stimulating Dream/Wacky!!!!!! > Message-ID: <199703271648.IAA12398@odin.ax.com> > > >ATTENTION: THE ONLY FLAMES STARTED CONCERNING > >BRIAN WHERRY WILL BE WHEN HIS SHREDDING BLOWS > >THE PHUKIN' AMP UP!! GOT IT? DON'T GO THERE! > > Surely, this is a joke. Yeah, there IS a lot of shredding. There's also > some great phrasing, some wicked work with a drum machine, good use of > keys, and some great interplay between the guitar and drum parts. Good > god, if you don't think this stuff is good, how did you end up hanging > around the 'jam in the first place?? >
Huh? Reread please, and realize that isn't a flame. It's a request from Jon to STOP THE MADNESS!!! So, please do so. Thank you, please drive through. BTW, was I the only one that saw smoke coming out of his amps at Mama Kin's? Jes' checkin.
BTW, BTW, to those who went, how was the Jon Finn group last night? wanted to go, have a killer test on Friday, too busy studying. Was it awesome?
-jeremy
RE-reminder to all New England Jammers, the pre R/M place of eating has not been set yet, although Taco Bell's and the Yak House are both coming up very often. Place your votes if you are going to the show!
+=====================================================================+ # grad student, Boston U. # To strive, to seek, # # Boston, MA 02134 # To find, and not to yield. # # Astronomy # "He's smooth like butter, # # <*> <*> <*> # because he's on a roll" # # Jeremy Hallum # -Stuart Scott, ESPN Sportscenter # # jhallum@bu.edu # http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ # +=====================================================================+
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 13:37:01 -0600 From: svjohnson@amoco.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: QR and grunge influence Message-ID: <199703271937.AA14169@interlock.amoco.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding the new material on HitNF, it doesn't really surprise me to hear grunge influences on the album. QR is a Seattle-based band, after all, and that city is the home and center of grunge rock. It's not surprising that Geoff, Chris and the rest QR might be influenced by their peers in Seattle - namely Chris Cornell (an amazing talent), Eddie Vedder (an amazing talent), and the late Kurt Cobain (an amazing disappointment). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From what I understand, the band NEVER hung out with the "grunge" crowd and there was a general dislike from Cobain towards the "other" metal scene. Just hearsay...Anyway, check out the film called "Hype" (recently discussed here) and see how grune was only one small part of the scene. Other reading (I wish I could list :( ) would show that the grunge sound and variations of it were beginning to build in other parts of America, too. Seattle just got the spotlight from the corporations. My opinion: If HITNF was my introduction to QR, they wouldn't be one of my favorite bands...I don't even know if I'd buy another of their albums. I'm a O:M fan. I think there's a slight grunge feel to HITNF (unfortunately I believe) but SOOOO much of it is QR. It's much more like E and PL.....Empire, as someone mentioned, really is the "departure" album. I think the differences between it and O:M are greatest between any two QR albums. Steve
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:46:32 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I'm ALMOST BACK! PT TO SHIP!! Message-ID: <199703271946.MAA28048@goodguy.goodnet.com>
Hi all!! I am just checking in from Illinois where I'm still on my trip, after having my wedding reception there with my in-law half of the family. (The Arizona reception is to follow in May or June for my half).
I should be returning tomorrow. The flight will effectively lose me the day, and I will be back home at night, but once I return home, I'm ready to begin shipping of Precious Things. Also, because of a gift from the wedding, I now have seven gigs to play with on my system at home, and I will put Darkest of Winters and Virtual Songs on and begin shipping cyclically. This is a big relief to everyone who ordered TDOW and VS, it means cutting a lot of the wait out. It is a minor annoyance to people with late numbers of PT, because it will take a little longer to get those to you if I'm shipping all discs concurrently. However most of you who are late numbers of PT also have TDOW and VS orders in, so the good sort of outweighs the bad. :)
Anyway, I want to express that I really feel sorry for any of you who actually LIVE here in Illinois. I'm in Elgin, 34 miles west of Chicago, but it's more or less unbroken suburbia from here to the city. I've been around the entire area at this point, and I have a few observations: 1. Damn, it's cold. I was _swimming_ before I left home. 2. They really need to fix your streets up. I mean really, since you have that weird "toll" thing going, you'd think the streets would be in awesome shape, but they're not. Blame your local elected officials. 3. The food is and has been fantastic for the balance of the trip. If there's one thing you Chicago-area folks do exceptionally well, it's cooking. All the interesting "regional" dishes have been outstanding. 4. They gotta get that zoning guy off the bourbon. What ever happened to simple grids of mile streets? Phoenix is so easy to get around in, I could do it blind. I could LIVE in Chicago and never get it right. 5. Snow. That's about all I have to say. Which leads me to... 6. I got... Two Tickets to Paradise!! Won't you... Pack your bags, we'll leave tonight... (etc). That lyric actually applies here! :) 7. The Chicago Equinox office was awesome!
Anyway I've bored you all enough. Thanks for putting up with a week of dead air from my end of the frequency. I've been going batty without a net connection this whole time, til I finally got time to come here to the library and telnet over to goodnet.
Take care all!! I'll be home shortly.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:50 EST From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sold Out/New Queensryche Message-ID: <m0wALBY-000012C@xcalibur.iinc.com>
>Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:26:24 +0000 >From: YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: SellOut?!? >Message-ID: <Pine.VMS.3.91-vms-b4.970327121758.21686A-100000@uhavax.hartford.edu> > >> From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> >> Why not make a list of all the bands that sold out: >> 1) Motley Crue- with their self-titled album. However, I still think this >> >> 2) Metallica- with their album Load. Once again, I think this CD has some >> >> 3) Queensryche- with their brand new album Hear In The Now Frontier. I > >Wait a minute here....first of all, >The Crue Sold out with Dr.Feelgood >Metallica sold out with the Black Album >and QR sold out with Empire > >I am basing the term sellout on Radio airplay. I, personally, don't care >if a band has sold out or not. If the music sounds good to me, thats ALL >that matters. Just because the music sounds different does not mean they >soldout. QR's new one still has that same QR feel to it. > > Technically, you are right. You should realize though I was being semi-sarcastic. What I'm saying is Motley Crue, Queensryche, and Metallica might have sold out but I still love it. Nothing will stop me from loving Hooligan's Holiday (Crue), King Nothing or Until It Sleeps (Metallica) or even Sign Of The Times. I never care if a band sells out or not neither. But technically, Queensryche sold out with Eyes Of A Stranger, Motley Crue sold out with Home Sweet Home and Metallica sold out with Fade To Black if your looking at just song airplay.
I finally have the new Queensryche album and am probably the last person to submit my review but fear not, its short. Sign Of The Times- great song..love it even if everyone else hates it.
Get A Life- boring chorus...sounds like Silverchair wrote the chorus Some People Fly- didn't appeal to me very much Saved- awesome chorus when Geoff screams Save Me!! Cool song You- awesome groove to it....fave part, the end--"I'm upside down- inside out..." Hero- "greedy spider"- sounds kind of like a familiar Bush lyric All I Want- very unique..wouldn't want to hear Chris' voice all the time but for the one track, its cool Hit The Black- guitar reminded me of Bullet With Butterfly Wings by Smashing Pumpkins, verses remind me of Overkill- pretty cool song SpOOl- kind of an eerie song but doesn't compare to Promised Land (the song)...enjoyed it
Overall reaction- Well, its different but it will grow on me. Promised Land did so I can't imagine this not. Despite what people say, Geoff does scream here and there on the album..I really didn't want to hear The Warning all over again where alls he does is screams. Definitely my least favorite but I still enjoyed some of it.
Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:59:21 -0600 (CST) From: Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2391 Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970327135443.4490B-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
> > > >The music is fine, but oh man whoever decided on the cover art has got to go, > >horrid. If you want to smash something QR did, pick that not the music. > > i havent heard the disc yet, but i've seen the cover and LOVE IT. it almost > got me to buy the cd on the spot, even tho i know where to get it for > cheaper. the coloring and texture just blows me away, my favorite QR cd > cover yet. just my cents :) > ~Rip >
Whay about the version of the cover inside the booklet with the words "I love you" on it. A reference to Van Gogh?
BTW- I like the album, for many of the same reasons others have already stated. The one thing it seems to lack (after only a few listens) are the dynamic peaks and valleys...hmm..
TTFN- Sean
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