YTSEJAM Digest 2395
Today's Topics:
1) QR/Van Gogh
by Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2391
by Jason L Luscher <luscher@student.umass.edu>
3) Megadeth
by Mike Hill <psytron@ntr.net>
4) tightness
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
5) Re: QR and grunge influence
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
6) tight
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
7) Re: tightness
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
8) SO I forgot!
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
9) Ytsejammers!!
by J <breuric@tpgi.com.au>
10) van gogh
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
11)
by Mamalookabubuday <skooc@earthlink.net>
12) Insult upon insult... (lotsa Blind Melon content!)
by Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com>
13) Lemur Voice
by "Epibatidine" <rbraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
14) original Seattle bands
by Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com>
15) Re: van gogh
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
16) Voices
by MakTs <MakTs@compuserve.com>
17) I agree with you man.
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
18) Re: Request - TOP TEN CDs OF ALL TIME - NOT AGAIN!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:00:23 -0600 (CST)
From: Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: QR/Van Gogh
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970327135939.4490C-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
>>
> >The music is fine, but oh man whoever decided on the cover art has got to go,
> >horrid. If you want to smash something QR did, pick that not the music.
>
> i havent heard the disc yet, but i've seen the cover and LOVE IT. it almost
> got me to buy the cd on the spot, even tho i know where to get it for
> cheaper. the coloring and texture just blows me away, my favorite QR cd
> cover yet. just my cents :)
> ~Rip
>
What about the version of the cover inside the booklet with the words "I
love you" on it. A reference to Van Gogh?
BTW- I like the album, for many of the same reasons others have already
stated. The one thing it seems to lack (after only a few listens) are
the dynamic peaks and valleys...hmm..
TTFN- Sean
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:04:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Jason L Luscher <luscher@student.umass.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2391
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970327145225.1511D-100000@asimov.oit.umass.edu>
> >in other business, will someone please tell me when and why gen-x ended?
> >i'm sick of being called a generation xer when i'm not, but i forgot why it
> >is that i'm not.
>
>
> Sympathize with ya. I've always hated this term. It's generic. It sounds
> like the "authorities" couldn't come up with anything. What the Hell does X
> stand for? Couldn't ANY generation be called "X"? What the heck did I do to
> become an X, dammit! As for when this ended, have no idea. What generation
> are we in now, "Generation 101"? Sorry I'm off subject, but this topic has
> irked me for years.
If you were born between 1966 and 1976 then you are part of
Generation-X. I know that the name sounds lame, but you could have been
born in 1977, like myself. Then you would be called a "baby boomlet",
and personally I think that is much worse. So count your blessings. BTW
is anyone else deathly afraid of Geoff Tate in the HitNF album cover.
His new haircut makes him look like some sort of demented elf or
something. But fortunately, I'm starting to get used to the new album.
- Jason, master of poop
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:20:50 -0500
From: Mike Hill <psytron@ntr.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Megadeth
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970327202050.0094259c@ntr.net>
>and if Megadeth ever releases their album, you can bet I'll be there!
new Megadeth.. the first single, "Trust" is supposed to be released on
memorial day (last week of May).. then the album, "Cryptic Writings" is
tentatively schedueled for June 17.. the tour is supposed to start in July
mike
psytron@ntr.net
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:32:56 -0800
From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
To: "ytsejam mailing list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: tightness
Message-ID: <19970327214035.AAA22058@alexis1>
Alright people, since so many of you use the word tight as an adjective for
bands, could you please explain what the meaning of this is and use some
examples? I mean, I kinda know what you're referring to, but i don't know
how to say a band is tighter than another one. Any explanations will be
appreciated. Bye!
Alexis
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:08:12 -0500
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: QR and grunge influence
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970327160812.00ae8210@pophost.fore.com>
> by their peers in Seattle - namely Chris Cornell (an amazing talent),
> Eddie Vedder (an amazing talent), and the late Kurt Cobain (an amazing
> disappointment).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I just don't get this. I'm certainly no Cobain supporter, but neither
Vedder nor Cornell have anything remarkable to offer. Some may see Vedder
as a great lyricist, but frankly I hate having to read between the lines to
try to figure out exactly what the fuck he means by "breakfast table in an
otherwise empty room." WTF? That has to be the single worst line in
lyrical history. God do I miss the days of Fuck Like a Beast! I guess
after Cobain killed himself I actually started to enjoy Nirvana a bit more.
Maybe I'll see new light in Pearl Jam if Eddie would just chuck it up and
do it.
KAI
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:11:41 -0600
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: tight
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970327211141.0089eeb4@mail.inlink.com>
>
>Alright people, since so many of you use the word tight as an adjective for
>bands, could you please explain what the meaning of this is and use some
>examples?
when i speak of a band being tight, i generally mean they really understand
and compliment each others playing, and everything is really on the ball.
no nanosecond off beat notes, everything just clicks and hits hard. the way
the whole rhythmical team works.
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:10:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: tightness
Message-ID: <199703272109.NAA15369@odin.ax.com>
>
> Alright people, since so many of you use the word tight as an adjective for
> bands, could you please explain what the meaning of this is and use some
> examples? I mean, I kinda know what you're referring to, but i don't know
> how to say a band is tighter than another one. Any explanations will be
> appreciated. Bye!
>
> Alexis
>
"Tight" is a pretty difficult adjective to describe in words...
I think I'll give it a shot though (i'm SO bored at work)
When a band is considered tight, it means that all the elements
(instruments, vocals, etc.) is in perfect sync. A lot of songs
where instruments are doubled (keys, guitar....guitar, drum)
are like this...one good example would be the drums and guitar
thing in A Fortune in Lies, when it comes in after the lyrics
"a hero in frozen wat-ahhhhhhh.aaah..AAAAHHH...."
Another good example would be the whole instrumental section
in "Metropolis".......
I think that the majority of the time, this description is used
to describe bands in a live setting....when a band is "tight"
live, that means that they got their shit together, and all
the music is played together well and in sync. One of the
opposites of "tight" is "phasing", which is an old term that
I picked up when I was in marching band years back.....
Phasing occurs in the following exaggerated manner:
Picture yourself in a large auditorium - you're
singing from one corner of the place, the guitarist is in
another corner, and the drummer in another. You are all
mic'ed to go out the same sound system. You guys start
doing your thing....without any monitors....
What will happen is that because the sound travels slow,
each one of you will hear each other at different times.
The result: The drummer will be playing at the correct time
(isn't that what they always say...they're always right....
*cough*)....you will be singing about a half beat later, while
the guitarist will be a half a beat off as well, from both of
you. This is not only an acoustic TERROR to people listening,
but it is also the absolute OPPOSITE of "tight."
I hope this sheds some light.....
-Al
-- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$%------------------------------
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:22:09 -0600 (CST) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SO I forgot! Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970327151430.5288A-100000@rossby>
Geez people!
I'm going against what I posted last time.
You are so FUCKING quick to jump on me for making one little shit mistake. Well excuse me for breathing!! I don't have every FUCKING rule memorized, and don't FUCKING plan to! Enough of the top ten bashing. If you FUCKING want to, you can personally e-mail your own top ten lists, and I MAY be FUCKING nice enough to compile it, and post it on my own FUCKING home page. I MAY give out that home page address if I'm FUCKING nice enough......
OK - I'm done with my FUCKS for now!
Seriously now, I thought I have made some very good contributions and opinion to the jam, and then when I slip up slightly, I was finally recognized. SORRY ALREADY!!!!
Now, e-mail me and after maybe a month or so, I can post the results on my home page, which is simple, but effective. DON'T think I'm a "newbie" either, cause I've been on it for several months now. I don't read everything cause at times the JAM sucks. I know QUITE a bit about music, being a drummer and such.
well, I won't be so rude and IGNORANT in the future. So, Cheers everyone!
Jon
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 08:32:30 +1100 (EST) From: J <breuric@tpgi.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ytsejammers!! Message-ID: <199703272132.IAA09971@random.tpgi.com.au>
Ytsejammers!!! I LOVE YOU! Great to see so many lovers of cool music,,,,,,
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:45:17 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: van gogh Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970327214517.0089ecd8@mail.inlink.com>
> >What about the version of the cover inside the booklet with the words "I >love you" on it. A reference to Van Gogh? >
hm.. i dont know, one thing that just caught my eye about it though is that all of the ears outside of the jars are left-ears and all of the ones in the jars are right-ears. coincidence or purpose? ~Rip
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:58:40 -0800 (PST) From: Mamalookabubuday <skooc@earthlink.net> To: Top Ten Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Message-ID: <199703272158.NAA08073@norway.it.earthlink.net>
>Excuse me! I've seen A LOT worse posts than the suggestion that we learn >more about other's musical tastes. I DO recall this rule, so I apologize.
I'm always interested in people's top ten's just to see what else they're into, *but* this always gets out of hand, that's why the rule. Myself & others tend to get a little aggressive when replying to this stuff because we've seen how out of control it can get. Try not to take it personal. If anyone else would've suggested that it would've had the same response.
>But, what about all that total CRAP about DT tribute and the flames and >arguing, etc. Also, the religious arguments, ripping apart others >favorite bands, etc. Then, I get flamed for once posting something that >goes against the rules (in a harmless fashion I may add).
It's not fair but trust me, little in life has anything to do with what's fair.
I think you're enforcing the *WRONG* rules on this jam!
I've seen the rules list when I subbed and I didn't see anything *wrong* with the rules. These rules are there because of previous situations that have occured on the jam.
>Further, I HAVE seen others posting lists, such as top ten Letterman-type >lists, NOT EVEN RELATING TO DT CONTENT or music!
Shit happens, wear a helmet ;)
>I don't normally get pissed, but I've been one of the FEW who >have been upholding proper standards for this JAM.
Well let me be the first to personally thank you for being so perfect.
>I say that: -FLAMES NOT BE ALLOWED, -RELIGIOUS discusions NOT BE ALLOWED -Watch our language in describing things. FUCK need not be used everytime. (I have been guilty of this a couple times myself, but NOT NEARLY as often as everyone else...)
Profanity fuckin' sucks! I can't see why anyone would use that shit! :)
Scott
>Also, I AM STILL INTERESTED IN PEOPLE'S TOP 10 LISTS. PLEASE E-MAIL ME >PERSONALLY AT jcase@rossby.ou.edu
I can't wait to see the results. Not scarcastic, I really mean it.
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:06:39 +0100 From: Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Insult upon insult... (lotsa Blind Melon content!) Message-ID: <199703272306.AAA04999@darkstar.icdc.com>
>Speaking of artwork - does anyone else miss the days when cover art >really *was* art? The old Zep albums, and stuff like that? I mean, take >a look at FW's "Inside Out." WTF is that? Or Metallica's Black Album.
Look at Black Sabbath's "Master of Reality" - and that came out in '71! So much for *your* theory... <haughty chuckle>
In a recent issue of the Columbia House magazine...
"Blind Melon -- Nico A fitting memorial to the band's late, lamented singer, Shannon Hoon, this assortment of outtakes and rarities captures the fascinating musical evolution of the L.A. rockers -- from the first song the group ever wrote together (Soul One) to the last tunes the band ever put on tape (Hell and Glitch)."
And then it lists the band's *two* albums! "Fascinating musical evolution"?
Methinks there be a tinge of irony in the wind...
Brian Henderson, Super Black Market Cyberburlap Cyberburlap@icdc.com
"MC Hammersickle." "A frozen rap treat." -- C. Funderburg and E. Draper, WONK interview
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:27:20 -0800 From: "Epibatidine" <rbraun@adnc.ameridata.com> To: <svjohnson@amoco.com>, <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Lemur Voice Message-ID: <199703272227.OAA16153@odin.ax.com>
I got mine direct from Magna Carta (their US label): http://www.zaks.com/magnacarta/
also at Knights of the Round CD Kingdom: http://www.knightsoftheround.com
and M&M Music: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4500/
I've gotten reliable service from all three
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:36:02 -0800 From: Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: original Seattle bands Message-ID: <l03020904af60a6570d13@[128.95.235.96]>
The Digital Man wrote:
> > From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> > > > song structures, etc. But that album's lyrics blow this away. Definitely > > a new turn for the original Seattle band... > > Don't forget the Jimi Hendrix Experience! (Or Heart, for that matter.)
Or the Kingsmen ("Louie, Louie")
pg
----------------------------+---------------------------------- Paul Goracke | "Reality is that which when you pgor@netcom.com | stop believing in it, | it still exists." - P.K. Dick ----------------------------+----------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:44:17 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: van gogh Message-ID: <199703272243.OAA16492@odin.ax.com>
> > > > >What about the version of the cover inside the booklet with the words "I > >love you" on it. A reference to Van Gogh? > > > > hm.. i dont know, one thing that just caught my eye about it though is that > all of the ears outside of the jars are left-ears and all of the ones in the > jars are right-ears. coincidence or purpose? > ~Rip > >
Maybe Queensryche is subliminally telling us what we have to do in order to actually *enjoy* the album!
I couldn't resist,...... :P
-Al
-- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$%
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:08:28 -0500 From: MakTs <MakTs@compuserve.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Voices Message-ID: <199703271808_MC2-1363-F7A9@compuserve.com>
>>Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:43:47 -0800 >>From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> >>Subject: Voices
>>>I've heard there's kind of "Best of Ytsejam" (or whatever you call it) >>>mailing list with only the official or somehow importent news. Couldn't >>>find it. Could anybody help me please?
>>It's called Voices, and it's a moderated mailing list. To subscribe >>send mail to voices-request@arastar.com with a subject of "asdf" and >>put in the body, "subscribe voices Your Name". Unfortunately, Ken Bibb >>apparently doesn't have time to sift through the ytsejam and pick out >>the meat from the fluff, and so only those messages actually sent to >>Voices will get sent out (which are pretty much non-existant).
>>This brings up something which I had contemplated doing several months >>ago, but I didn't want to deal with it. Wouldn't it be useful if somebody >>that was subscribed to the 'jam in ACK mode would quickly forward all >>important messages concerning DT to Voices? It seems this would take >>just a second, and the number of posts you would forward wouldn't be that >>great since it would only be official stuff like tour dates, an album >>release date (hopefully <g>), clinic information, etc. Official information >>about other relevant bands might be appropriate as well (I wouldn't have >>wanted to miss those Rush tour dates that were sent here a few weeks ago).
>>Don't get me wrong, I love this place, but every once in a while I get >>behind on 'jams and I hate deleting them since I never know if there's >>that one important tidbit that I would kill myself if I missed it.
>>So how about it? If you're in ACK mode, and you see an important >>message appear on the 'jam, go ahead and forward it to voices@arastar.com. >>It doesn't matter if multiple people do it; if Ken doesn't catch it then >>I'd rather hear important stuff several times than not at all. I may convert >>to ACK mode and try this myself in a week or two, but I thought I'd run this >>by everyone else since I know there are people out there that already at >>least glance at every message in ACK mode.
>>Whaddaya think?
Well, I see you know perfectly what I'd need and what I was looking for! I'll check out this Voices thingy. Hope somebody will be able to forward the important infos! Thanks very much to you Jim and also to Woot for answering!
Cheers! Mak
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:11:16 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I agree with you man. Message-ID: <199703272311.SAA16376@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
I agree with someone (name escapes me) that I&W is the instrumental album. Obvious examples: MPt1, LtL. Though the vocals are exceptional here too, I think JL progressed as a vocalist in Awake.
I-Van
I totally agree with this statement above. As Francesco Rinaldi said it best "As I got older, I got better" (Sorry it was the only funny quote that I could come up with) My favorite example of the vocal talent changes in KJL is on Lie, just listen to all of the high notes that he "swims" and doesn't even think about cracking with. He is fantastic. This leads me to Dominicci, his vocals were actually pretty good, at least to me. When the 90's came around, he was just out of place. In the 90's, you either: Scream, do that Hootie thing, or you are talented. Hopefully I see more talent coming out, most of this alternative shit doesn't have any talent at all, it's just a bunch of guys wailing on guitars, smashing them, beating the shit out of drums and then "trying" to call it music. I don't know what else to say about it. Then there is rap. That is another subject. Thats all, I am off to buy QR! Later, J
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:01:15 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Request - TOP TEN CDs OF ALL TIME - NOT AGAIN! Message-ID: <199703280001.QAA14953@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Jonathan Case said: >I have a request from everyone on the JAM. >Why not have everyone post their personal favorite top 10 CDs by any >groups of all-time. So, go into your CD changers, CD collection, and >rank your favorite CDs. Rank your top 10 CDs from 1 (favorite) to 10
Every once in a while, someone always tries to do this...
amazing...
-The Doc
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