YTSEJAM Digest 2402
Today's Topics:
1) Concept of Concepts
by J <breuric@tpgi.com.au>
2) Brevity-brief-brief
by Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2401
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
4) The Drummer Comment
by D <carpe1@hotmail.com>
5) Re: The Drummer Comment
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
6) Manowar ahhh yeah!
by cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
7) reading covers
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
8) Re: reading covers
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
9) LATMarquee
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
10) Re: Dumbest lyrics
by petedz@interaccess.com
11) Concept Albums
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
12) Concept Albums
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
13) Hoooo Damn....
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2401
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
15) Re: The Drummer Comment
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
16) Re: Concept albums
by Peter Geerts <peter@wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
17) more info about Winter Rose
by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
18) Tours
by Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
19) Re: The Drummer Comment
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
20) Queensburger
by Raivo Hool <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
21) love is blindness
by Raivo Hool <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
22) why europeans think americans are dumb
by Raivo Hool <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
23) Irony
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 11:29:00 +1000 (EST)
From: J <breuric@tpgi.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Concept of Concepts
Message-ID: <199703300129.LAA19719@random.tpgi.com.au>
In Re. to concept albums SAVIOR MACHINE has just released Part One of what
will be a 3part concept album. Parts 2 and 3 released Jan 1998 and Jan 1999
respectively. I have not heard this album but all reports say it is BETTER
than thier previos stuff....
If anyone knows thier first album you will know it was amazing ...
I think if you like DT and prog metal you will like these guys. The album
called LEGEND ... is being billed as the soundtrack to the end of the
World... and the 'story' is aparrently based on the phrophetic an
Apocolyptic books of the Bible....
When I get I will let u's all know what i think...
L8r..
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 07:22:59 +0200
From: Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Brevity-brief-brief
Message-ID: <199703300522.HAA29225@darkstar.icdc.com>
>The new Dream Theater is going to be like nothing we expected...
Don't fret, it's probably something silly, like the liner notes are in
Sanskrit... I dunno.
This post's really more of a backpatting one -- 7th Grade Commando Chorus,
the ska/jazz/funk/rock band I currently belong to, made it into the Battle
of the Bands!! Yay. ...I figure our only competition will be Primus and
those infernal Wyld Stalions. And no fair bringing in robotic duplicates
either!
Brian Henderson, Cyberburlap Party (featuring Kid N' Play)
Cyberburlap@icdc.com
"You can take your tea tax, and you can cram it!" -- Ben Franklin
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 22:29:01 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2401
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970329222617.84222A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Sat, 29 Mar 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> >Pat Martin, a DJ here in Sacramento on 93 Rock who is normally pretty
> >reliable, said today his industry contacts said there's a strong rumor that
> >Gary Cherone is out as VH's lead singer. Martin said the band listened back
> >to the tapes and Cherone "wasn't cutting the mustard." He said to expect
> >official word soon, while at the same time stressing it was just a rumor.
This rumor has been floating around ever since Gary joined the band. I'll
believe it when I hear something official.
Richie
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 23:02:04 -0500
From: D <carpe1@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Drummer Comment
Message-ID: <333DE5BC.3C0@hotmail.com>
This goes out to that "funny" drummer joke. I just want you to
remember...think about how Dream Theater or any other respectable band
would sound without drums...
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 23:19:10 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: The Drummer Comment
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970329231643.1585B-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
> This goes out to that "funny" drummer joke. I just want you to
> remember...think about how Dream Theater or any other respectable band
> would sound without drums...
The only people I've ever met who get defensive after hearing drummer
jokes are people who call themselves drummers and know they suck.
Drummers who are confident about the way they play usually just laugh it
off and hit me back with a bass-player joke, after which I usually go tell
my mom and cry in my room for a while.
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 22:52:56 -0600
From: cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Manowar ahhh yeah!
Message-ID: <19970330045013139.AAA177@cmustard.vonl.com>
Jason wrote:
>"The Gods Made Heavy Metal And It's Never Gonna Die!" - MANOWAR
Hell ya! Death to False Metal! (Just waiting for those US tour dates to be
posted!)
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 00:17:10 -0500
From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: reading covers
Message-ID: <v01530501af63a7841755@[207.79.6.157]>
>>lemme guess... you're one of those types that buys the cd, goes home, pops
>>it into the cdplayer and stares at the booklet the whole time the songs are
>>playing. Maybe reading the lyrics and even reading the thank you's and where
>>they made it and how long it took. Cuz that's what I do!
Everyone who does this, raise your hand....
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 00:16:10 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: reading covers
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970330001333.1585C-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
> >>lemme guess... you're one of those types that buys the cd, goes home, pops
> >>it into the cdplayer and stares at the booklet the whole time the songs are
> >>playing. Maybe reading the lyrics and even reading the thank you's and where
> >>they made it and how long it took. Cuz that's what I do!
>
> Everyone who does this, raise your hand....
Not me. That's my second-listen ritual. First listen of any new disc, I
just sit back and let it affect me. Preferably with headphones on. I
want to see what I get out of the music as it is, before I see what I can
get out of it with external help. If the music can't stand up without
liner notes and such, then I probably won't listen again after that second
listen.
But that's just me.
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cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn
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http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 00:27:49 -0500
From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LATMarquee
Message-ID: <v01530502af63a9d1a181@[207.79.6.157]>
Lately I've been reading here that "Live at the Marquee" is now hard to
find. I used to see it at stores all over, but never got it cause it wasn't
a "REAL" album. Was I supposed to have bought it?
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 23:22:17 -0600
From: petedz@interaccess.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Dumbest lyrics
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970330052217.006809ec@pop.interaccess.com>
>Hehehe, that was Yngwie J. Malmsteen. Maybe some Europeans who speak English
>as a second language tend to write dumb lyrics
Hmmm. My all time favorite bad lyric is from a bunch of all American boys:
"CD's on ten
Ooh you gotta drink a lot"
Kudos to anyone who can name the band!
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 01:16:38 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Concept Albums Message-ID: <v01530503af63b4922868@[207.79.6.157]>
>>nother one though, that i dont >>think has been mentioned, is Iced Earth's The Dark Saga
Don't have this one, but isn't their "Night of the Stormrider" a concept album also? (A mighty fine one to say the least) I have yet to figure out the story behind it. Something about being sent to Hell, I guess. J.Keifling
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 01:20:13 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Concept Albums Message-ID: <v01530504af63b5ee7a20@[207.79.6.157]>
Aren't All King Diamond's albums concept Albums or just some? I know he does a lot of them, like "The Eye" being one I have.
Another note: I have Conspiracy on vinyl therefore haven't heard it in years. Maybe I should break out the turntable and put it on tape. What do you think?
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 23:12:08 -0700 From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hoooo Damn.... Message-ID: <v02130501af63b24e7390@[128.32.100.59]>
Okay, I know I am going to sound completeley stereotypical here, but I do not care. I was just on spring break, and while I was back home I happenned to drop by the Best Buy in my neighborhood. There they have this machine called MUZE that tells you all the commercial stuff that any band has out. Well I just wanted to make sure I had it all, so I typed in DT and out came the list. Well I looked it over and noticed that I had forgotten that there was alive video out, Works in Progress: Live in Tokyo. Well I started prayin that it ight be there. So I started on my way towards the music video section. I rounded a corner, and sitting right there was the video. I snatched it up, paid for it and flew out the door in order to take a look at it.
Before I tell you what I thought of the video, let me tell you I have not seen them in concert yet and that this is the first time that I had seen anything of them live. So what did I think?
OOOOHHHHH MY GOD!! These guy's go beyond the pale of what I thought f---ing awesome was. I can't do anything but sit mesmerized during Mike's solo, I drool over the speed that John and John have in their hands, and even though Kevin might be gone now he was still awesome, and of course James was awesome too. These guys are just incredible. Hey, and I even got to hear a song I hadn't heard before (To Live Forever). All in all one of the best buys (no pun intended) I have made in a long time.
-Shane
______________________________________________________________________________ I Shane Liebling I You can call me Kennedy, you may have I I jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu I killed him, but you cannot kill me. I I http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi I - Spock's Beard "The Light" I I____________________________________I_______________________________________I
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 01:53:50 -0600 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2401 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970330075350.00dfe8d4@enteract.com>
>hehe, how 'bout "Wanting mortality, I mow the lawn"?
That rules. :)
>"I'm your Turbo Lover >Tell me there's no other >I'm your Turbo Lover >Better run for cover"
Judas Priest. I have you all beat for the worst lyrics:
Get Ready For a Chance But you don't Stand a Chance I'm the winner You're the loser This is your final Chance
Guess this and you win a Cookie.
I want to create the official Dream Theater Picture Gallery/Archive. I want to do it off my domain. Anyone with some cool DT pics that wants to allow me to throw them onto hypertext at my site, drop me an e-mail: someone@prognosis.com and have "DT Pictures" in the subject. Anyone who donates will be credited on the page.
Story Albums: Helstar - Nosferatu ... an album all about Vampires. Kindy spiffy. :)
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 02:10:02 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: The Drummer Comment Message-ID: <199703301010.CAA28832@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, The Digital Man said: >The only people I've ever met who get defensive after hearing drummer >jokes are people who call themselves drummers and know they suck.
Hey!!! I'm a drummer.... well.... sortof... and I suck!!! I'm offended...
But honestly... progressive music is based so much on rhythm that most prog drummers tend to be fairly proficient... not to knock Portnoy, he is really incredible, but he tends to drift in his timing a lot. On the other hand, Mark Zonders never drifts in his timing, he's almost a drum machine... (this is all live of course)
-The Doc
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 16:44:49 +0200 (MET DST) From: Peter Geerts <peter@wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Concept albums Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970330164109.17569A-100000@www.wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Hey guys! Noone mentioned 'The Lamb' by Genesis. This is one of the classic concept albums of the seventies!! (and it absolutely rules) Too bad the big audience didn't like it that much, so Peter Gabriel decided to leave after the release of the lamb...
Peter ----------------------------------------------- peter@wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be peter.geerts@student.kuleuven.ac.be Mathematics student at the University of Leuven -----------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 00:07:47 +0900 From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: more info about Winter Rose Message-ID: <199703301507.AAA14232@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp>
Alright! I got tens of mail about WR,so this is what you want.
Artists/band:Winter Rose Title:Winter Rose Released from:JVC-Victor Entertainment Catalogue No.:VICP-5852 Price:2427JPN-Yen+(3%TAX 'till 31st March,5%TAX from 1st April)
I like this one. Maybe this album will be some kind of collectors item for DT fans.
And about sending this CD..... In case you can't find this one at your local (or on-line) music stores, I'll send it to you. But it's very hard to send tens of CD to every different address. So try your ordinary stores. In case with no luck,e-mail me privately.
Thanks. -Keiji Nishihara Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 10:38:17 -0500 From: Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tours Message-ID: <333E88E9.4C01@seacoast.com>
Hopefully Lemur Voice and Superior will play some concerts in United States.[ for all Belgians, U.S. is located across the Atlantic situated between Canada and Mexico]
Another dumb American, Wingman
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 08:44:04 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: The Drummer Comment Message-ID: <199703301555.HAA13899@odin.ax.com>
> This goes out to that "funny" drummer joke. I just want you to > remember...think about how Dream Theater or any other respectable band > would sound without drums...
Jeez, people are too damn serious...
Q: Why was the guitar player so upset that he locked his keys in his car?
A: Because he'd locked his drummer inside, too.
Jeez, lighten up people, there are jokes for all of em...
Q: How many guitar players does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: 4. One to change it and 3 others to remark how they could have done it better.
Damn I used to have a bunch of those somewhere... You really need to lighten up. (Going back to rule no. 4 or whatever...)
Smile! KorgX3 a.k.a. ibanez@cyberhighway.net http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ibanez/index.html Disclaimer: The content expressed in the previous document is not the opinion of the author. The author is exonerated of anything written therein. Viewer discretion is advised.
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:19:14 +0300 (EET DST) From: Raivo Hool <raitz@guvatrak.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Queensburger Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970330210951.7217A-100000@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
[too much blahblah snipped]
> I say: > "Fuck you, I'm going to Burger King. > I know what I like and this ain't it."
I know, I do know that given my current state of mind, I'm going to scream out loud if *any* sucker/suckee compares music to some goddamned generic food item like a MacDonald's burger.
"Oh damn, fuck, I've so much gotten used to the almighty taste of those good ol' records that I think I go get my AC/DC and Motorhead instead. At least they never sell out."
Bullshit. I know it when I see it.
If a musician gets creative, it's widely accepted as something at least tolerable. If a cook at MacDonald's gets creative, he gets fired. The metaphor you selected won't do, thus eliminating the probable, though nonexistent, amount of useful characters in your posting.
To an extent, it was funny though. I even forgot about the background.
Raitz
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:32:12 +0300 (EET DST) From: Raivo Hool <raitz@guvatrak.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: love is blindness Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970330212047.7231A-100000@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
> And I don't see how anything Yngwie or Jeff Scott Soto > ever wrote could be less interesting than Pearl Jam lyrics.
Let me tell you a quote:
"You're so full of what is right you can't see what is good."
Ah, and there's another suitable one:
"You walk thru life, deaf, dumb and blind."
Some people will never understand why such an old dummie like Shakespeare ("gosh, he lived some CENTURIES ago? don't we have anything newer to cover?") is regarded to as good. I'm not comparing Shakespeare to Cornell to Vedder, only pointing out the obvious, ie. drawing parallels.
Some have that sense of poetry, some don't. All have the freedom of choice. Or may I call it slavery of choice?
Vedder is a good lyricist, so is Cornell. This is not an opinion.
Raitz
Shadow face, blowing smoke and talking wind Lost my grip, fell too far to start again
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:41:26 +0300 (EET DST) From: Raivo Hool <raitz@guvatrak.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: why europeans think americans are dumb Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970330213713.7244A-100000@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
> Why do Europeans think we Americans are so dumb?
"Romania... Wasn't it somewhere between Italy and Venezuela?" "Belgium... I think they eat spaghetti there... somewhere in the vicinity of Ecuador, methinks." "Now they're fighting those nasty wars there, all those Japs and Russians, down in Yugoslavia."
I've had lots of conversations like this. Mostly with Americans.
I didn't try to generalize, though. ;-)
Raitz
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 97 14:52 EST From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Irony Message-ID: <m0wBQeX-000FC5C@xcalibur.iinc.com>
After listening to the new 'Ryche cd for the millionth time, heres a little bit of irony- probably coincidential.
Sign Of The Times- compared to Lillian Axe by some people, also the name of a Lillian Axe song from Psychoschitzophrenia
Reach- compared to Collective Soul by some, also the name of a Collective Soul song off the HAATLU CD.
All I Want- compared to Saigon Kick- also the name of a Saigon Kick song off The Lizard
Hit The Black- compared to Metallica by some- put 2 Metallica titles together- Fade To Black and Hit the Lights and you have Hit The Black.
This is probably all coincidential but still... By the way, the names of the songs are incredibly generic... Miles Away- A Savatage song and I think a Winger song... You- a Candlebox song Hero- a Warrior Soul song
Still a cool disc though in some ways.
Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
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