YTSEJAM Digest 2399
Today's Topics:
1) Dumbest lyrics
by cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
2) One last check-in before landing
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
3) Re: muzak
by alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
4) Music for the masses????
by "Kasper, Robert" <RKasper@aus.etn.com>
5) Cornell and T.O.T.D.
by "Kasper, Robert" <RKasper@aus.etn.com>
6) Story Albums
by whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
7) New Queensryche review
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
8) thanx!
by Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
9) Re: Dumbest lyrics
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
10) Kevin Gilbert
by Mamalookabubuday <skooc@earthlink.net>
11) Artwork/AIC ?= Grunge/Tightness
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
12) Keep those cards and letter coming in...
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
13) Rush Tix for Gorge show (no DTC)
by "Matthew A. Schnoor" <schnoor@SpiritOne.com>
14) More IRC Musings
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 97 17:39:02 GMT
From: cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List)
Subject: Dumbest lyrics
Message-ID: <M.032897.183902.24@wxs2-16.worldaccess.nl>
You guys don't have a clue. The dumbest lyrics in the universe could never
have been written by anyone else but someone who's one of the world's best
guitar players, who simply momentarily forgot that he isn't a good lyricist.
"There's a hole in the sky
But don't ask me why
'Cause I do-ho-ho-hon't know..."
Still, he also penned down the rather better next line:
"You broke my heart just to see
How many pieces there would be..."
Anyone care to guess who I mean?
-- /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Richard Karsmakers cronos@worldaccess.nl | \--------------------------------------------------------------/ C.R.I.M.E. Development; "Twilight World" Magazine; WWW-MMM "ST NEWS" ST/TT/Falcon disk magazine; "Ultimate Virus Killer" Gwar FUQ II & GEMulator FAQ maintainer P.O. Box 67, 3500 AB, Utrecht, Netherlands /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Q: What do you do when a musician comes to your door? | | A: Pay him for the pizza. | \--------------------------------------------------------------/------------------------------
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 10:49:53 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: One last check-in before landing Message-ID: <199703281750.KAA00256@goodguy.goodnet.com>
I'm to depart later today from O'Hare and head home, so this is my last spot-check of my e-mail (many of you who mailed me are getting early replies... I'll get the rest of 'em done when I get home).
I don't see why everyone's cutting on the new Queensryche album so much. I dig it. Yes, it's a change. They've changed the focus of their sound and interpreted some weird new influences. Seems another band I listen to does that all the time... starts with an "R" and rhymes with "Lush".... and nobody cuts on _them_ when they reinvent themselves. I therefore find the 'Ryche bashing somewhat hypocritical. "Saved" is the highlight of the album so far for me.
I already announced all the new CD information last post, so I won't repeat it here, but here are the current stati of each disc...
WDATU - I actually still have some more of these. That's preparation for ya. :) I knew it would be popular for awhile, I'm just glad I risked it.
SFAM - May very well be sold out by the time I get my held mail at home. There were only a few copies left of this Dream Theater boot when I left, and most have been reserved away. I'll let you all know.
Critical Mass - I ran out of standard issue CMs before I left, and still had a few prototypes to sell to the last few lucky people.
Precious Things - Like I said, it should ship when I get home. There are around 20 left to be reserved/paid.
The Darkest of Winters - To ship rather soon. I think this one is actually sold out up to the aforementioned 350 mark. I'll let you all know when i tally the week's mail.
Virtual Songs - We've got about 40 left. Shipping while PT + TDOW do.
Experience to Extremes - sold out. Yep, gone. If you have an unpaid reservation and you haven't already talked to me about it (some people run into tight funds at home, which is understandable, I just need to know that you still want it and haven't ditched me) then please do so soon.
That about covers things for now... not much else I can tell you. Oh yes, I had an interesting experience in Chicago yesterday. I took the train into town for the second time during the trip, since there isn't much to see in Elgin (where I stayed) or Schaumburg (where the Equinox office was). Anyway, I must first emphasize that I didn't look too much out of the ordinary, nor do I look particularly affluent. I'm not one of those dumb Arizona tourists that wears his cowboy hat and belt buckle on vacation. :) Still, the moment I got out of Union Station, the bums somehow converged on me like a wake of vultures. These guys are pros. They'll be putting stuff in your _pockets_ that you don't want or need, like postcards, flyers, and pamphlets, and then beg you for money with the look of someone who's just been robbed. I was completely unprepared for this because panhandling of any sort is illegal back home, and is actually enforced, so the only place the bums can beg is at freeway exits (which are state land, not city land). I can't remember ever taking my wallet out, but I'm lucky I didn't keep much cash on me, because it was empty in about ten seconds and was sitting there on the sidewalk. I had maybe $10-$12 in it, and I use my debit Visa to buy stuff. Anyway, I still had a good time in town, but that kinda had me on edge. I suppose those who live there know what to do to avoid it.
Well, that much being said, I leave you all to your regular album discussion, with a cryptic statement that you may puzzle over for some time: "The new Dream Theater album won't be anything like we think". I can't give any further info now, but you all will find out soon enough.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:11:43 -0600 (CST) From: alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: muzak Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970328120740.18141A-100000@lars.acc.stolaf.edu>
On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Mark Lampert wrote:=20 > >umm... does your general hatred of "alternative rock" have anything > >ALL to do with THE MUSIC? =20 > Yes, mind you... i'm pointing out that crap breeds crap.... don't think I > judge all CD's (a book ? :) ) by their covers... I'm not out to start a > flame war here ol chap... and I wouldn't consider Poison mainstream in th= e > terms of todays mainstream... I still have their tapes, watched the > videos... learned the riffs... Poison was at their height between the yea= rs > of (?) '88 -'91... grunge was unheard of then (by the masses) I even used > to be into the likes of Dinosaur Jr., Bad Religion, and others... except = I > sold them to a used CD store.=20 > =B7 =95 Colonel Mustard= =95 =B7
yes, but that's not my point. back when Poison *was* mainstream they=20 were roughly analagous to today's Pearl Jam (gee, i *never* thought i'd=20 say that...) the point is, it may be crap, but some people like it. =20 therefore, when you generalize and say "all grunge fans should be shot=20 dead" you're annoying some of us, and making yourself look like some high= =20 and mighty prick. besides, if you shoot some of us grungers, you'll be=20 depleting a bit of the DT fan base, and we simply *can't* have that, eh? := P
latah, id
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:12:57 -0500 From: "Kasper, Robert" <RKasper@aus.etn.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Music for the masses???? Message-ID: <c=US%a=_ATTMAIL%p=ETNWHQ%l=EXCHANGE-970328191257Z-6525@sentry.bev.etn.com>
In Ytsejam #2398 Mark Lampert wrote:
>> Yes, mind you... i'm pointing out that crap breeds crap.... don't think I >> judge all CD's (a book ? :) ) by their covers... I'm not out to start a >> flame war here ol chap... and I wouldn't consider Poison mainstream in the >> terms of todays mainstream... I still have their tapes, watched the >> videos... learned the riffs... Poison was at their height between the years >> of (?) '88 -'91... grunge was unheard of then (by the masses) I even used >> to be into the likes of Dinosaur Jr., Bad Religion, and others... except I >> sold them to a used CD store.
If I follow your latest tirade, you seem to be judging grunge on the basis of its widespread appeal to the masses. By your logic grunge is "crap" because it is widely appreciated and has claimed a huge following internationally. Yet you then go on to laud the virtues of Poison, citing that you were very into them at the height of their popularity. But according to your judgement of grunge on the basis of it's popularity, then Poison would be "crap" as well... ..are you even *thinking* at all about what you post, or does it just flow from you like an early-morning turd? Do you abitrarily dismiss a band based on it's widespread popularity? Let's hope DT never gets widespread airplay... you'd probably label them as "crap" too.
Rob
"Everything is True. Even false things are True." - Malaclypse the Younger, O.P.
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:26:31 -0500 From: "Kasper, Robert" <RKasper@aus.etn.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Cornell and T.O.T.D. Message-ID: <c=US%a=_ATTMAIL%p=ETNWHQ%l=EXCHANGE-970328192631Z-6549@sentry.bev.etn.com>
In Ytsejam 2398, Steve wrote:
"I wanna get in on this 'cause I love Cornell and I truly believe Soundgarden to be the closest thing to prog grunge will ever offer." "Temple of the Dog was HIS PROJECT almots completely as Cornell wrote all songs and I *think* helped produce. Vedder only sat in on "Hunger Strike". This album was from Chris to his good friend from MOther Love Bone whom Eddie replaced. It was an extremely personal project for Cornell. And I think Vedder is a good lyricist. Being a singer, I really concentrate on that, and it seems lyrics are an improtant part of prog music (as opposed to "Peaches", "Glycerine" or any handful of ridiculous atl. lyrics)."
I agree with you 100% Steve. Cornell is, IMHO, the best musician to come out of Seattle since Jimi. I only mentioned his Temple of the Dog project to further illustrate how prolific of a songwriter he is. His body of work contains some of the most powerful and scathing lyrics I've ever read. It's a shame that Cornell and Soundgarden are so often overlooked by prog fans because of their grunge appeal. Hell, Soundgarden was rocking me long before MTV rocketed Nirvana to undeserved fame. "Jesus Christ Pose" is still one of the rocking-est, most driving tunes I know. I just *gotta* head-bang when they kick into that amazing first drive before Cornell sings "And you stare at me... in your Jesus Christ pose!" Yeeeeessssss!
Rob
"Everything is True. Even false things are True." - Malaclypse the Younger, O.P.
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 97 14:47:14 EST From: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Story Albums Message-ID: <9703281947.AA25974@mary.cs.fredonia.edu>
Hey everyone, I know awhile ago (a year maybe?), someone posted a list of concept albums. I was wondering if anyone still had that list, or could recommend some other great concept albums. I recently puchased Savatage's "Streets" and "Dead Winter Dead", and love them both, just as I do O:M. If anyone knows of any other bands with story-like albums that are really cool, please send me some mail. Thanks a lot! Chris
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:55:56 -0500 From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Queensryche review Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970328195556.006796a8@mail.ee.net>
Imagine you go into McDonalds to buy a hamburger. You really look forward to eating it because the last one you got there was a little stale and cold to you. You excuse that one bad experience as "a bad day", and resolve to give them another chance. After all, their burgers were always good before. Sure, sometimes they had a little too much cheese for your liking, but you could deal with that.
You get it, take a bite, and it tastes terrible. You go to complain and the manager tells you:
"It's now made of 40% soy, 40% fillers, and 20% ground beef. We got kind of tired of making the same old burger."
Everyone else in the restaurant offers their opinions to you:
"Of course it doesn't taste the same, its 'progressed'."
"Don't eat it with the expectation that you should get the same burger you got the last time; instead, savor the differences."
"It'd be pretty damn boring if it tasted the same every time you came here."
"Don't judge it as the worst tasting hamburger you ever ate, judge it as the best tasting soyburger you ever ate."
"Don't be so quick to judge. Eat about 30 of them, you'll learn to like them."
"There's a lot of burgers out there that taste worse."
"Get with the times dude. Beef is so 80's. Soy is where its at now."
"There must be something wrong with your taste buds. It tastes plenty beefy to me."
"Sure, the meat tastes different. But, the ketchup, mustard, pickle, and onions still taste great."
"The new wrapper sure is neat to look at."
"Hey, maybe its a little different, but its still McDonalds."
"You were bitching that the last one you got here was too cold. Well, this one is hot."
I say: "Fuck you, I'm going to Burger King. I know what I like and this ain't it."
Disclaimer: all brands and products used for illustrational purposes only. No criticism of aforementioned products or retailers is intended. Joe Kruger
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:43:51 -0700 From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: thanx! Message-ID: <333C2D87.3345@micron.net>
Al: Thank you!! Pam> ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:14:22 -0500 (EST) > From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Re: Tix (No DTC) > Message-ID: <199703281413.GAA22949@odin.ax.com> > > > -- > > Pam Wheaton > > _____/----^---\____ > > </__"Rockin Cabbie"__\o > > 0 0 > Maybe its just me, maybe its just the fact that I'm in work > with 3 hours' worth of sleep but the fact still remains: > > I LOVE THAT GODDAMN CAB!!!!!!!! Whenever I see it, I smile. > > sooo cuuuuuUUUUUUuuuuuuute! > time to go to sleep..... > > > -Al
-- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace </__"Rockin Cabbie"__\o “THE INTERNET” 0 0 E-mail: cwheaton@micron.net URL:http://netnow.micron.net/~cwheaton ************************************************************************************
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:07:26 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dumbest lyrics Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970328160726.00ab5910@pophost.fore.com>
This is Yngwie. The first song is 'As Above So Below' from the Rising Force album, and the second is 'You Don't Remember I'll Never Forget' from the Trilogy LP. And I don't see how anything Yngwie or Jeff Scott Soto ever wrote could be less interesting than Pearl Jam lyrics.
KAI
At 09:55 AM 3/28/97 -0800, you wrote: > You guys don't have a clue. The dumbest lyrics in the universe could never >have been written by anyone else but someone who's one of the world's best >guitar players, who simply momentarily forgot that he isn't a good lyricist. > > "There's a hole in the sky > But don't ask me why > 'Cause I do-ho-ho-hon't know..." > > Still, he also penned down the rather better next line: > > "You broke my heart just to see > How many pieces there would be..." > > Anyone care to guess who I mean? >-- >/--------------------------------------------------------------\ >| Richard Karsmakers cronos@worldaccess.nl | >\--------------------------------------------------------------/ > C.R.I.M.E. Development; "Twilight World" Magazine; WWW-MMM > "ST NEWS" ST/TT/Falcon disk magazine; "Ultimate Virus Killer" > Gwar FUQ II & GEMulator FAQ maintainer > P.O. Box 67, 3500 AB, Utrecht, Netherlands >/--------------------------------------------------------------\ >| Q: What do you do when a musician comes to your door? | >| A: Pay him for the pizza. | >\--------------------------------------------------------------/ > > > >
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:16:28 -0800 (PST) From: Mamalookabubuday <skooc@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Kevin Gilbert Message-ID: <199703282116.NAA25053@denmark.it.earthlink.net>
>Kevin Gilbert was guesting on a morning show in LA (Mark & Brian on KLOS) >some number of years ago and was making fun of some of these lines. But >he's got one of his own -- "We've got dogs and Valvoline/It's a pretty damn >good time." I guess, in his defense, that he KNEW he wasn't making any >sense, but....glass houses, man.
I'm not trying to slam KG, but considering how he died he was probably a rather kinky guy, so that line could be semi-autobiographical. }:->
Scott
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 22:03:07 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Artwork/AIC ?= Grunge/Tightness Message-ID: <333C401B.167E@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
> Speaking of artwork - does anyone else miss the days when cover art > really *was* art? The old Zep albums, and stuff like that? I mean, take > a look at FW's "Inside Out." WTF is that? Or Metallica's Black Album.
A scanner/photshop doesn't make you an artist... I have seen some artists do some amazing things with tools like those, however. What ever happened to Roger Dean and Hipgnosis (yes,howe,asia,zep,floyd to name a few)? YES covers had some of the most imaginative stuff. Probably where that vehicle behind Hale-Bopp originaed from :)
> Does AIC fit under the grunge umbrella?
Not my umbrella...although I sometimes have mine up when it isn't even raining out :) To me, I'm a Man in a Box is at least straight ahead Hard Rock if not Metal.
> From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
> Alright people, since so many of you use the word tight as an adjective for > bands, could you please explain what the meaning of this is
Rip pretty might summed up the way I view it as a description of how well (how tight) musicians play together rhythmically. I use it to when I hear a portion which is technically demanding pulled off and my head snaps in disbelief as I run for the rewind button :)
I think I'll leave the answer to "what makes one band tighter than another" for someone with a better flame suit than I :)
> and use some examples?
Off the top (probably shouldn't say top, see below :) of my head:
In "Light Fuse and Get Away" after "can you remember feeling much too close?" ? All combinations of Mike Portnoy's limbs! Same for John Petrucci's fingers :) Aww, fuck it, I'm gonna punt: there's a section in just about every song they do...
Kansas - The intro to Paradox
Beginning of ELP's Tarkus Keith Emerson's left and right hands :)
Hope that didn't come off resembling a top <n> list. If so, please E-MAIL me. Save the folks on the list who already understand the game the trouble of having to read anymore about it than they have to. I understand the game but am a little sketchy in the grey areas :)
> From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
> DT is tight because the members of the rhythm section have known each > other forever, and know what that direction is (without actually having > to articulate it), and that's what, I think, has allowed James and Derek > to integrate so seamlessly into the equation.
I'll grant you that knowing each other has a lot to do with it sometimes. I've seen certain jazz players, that have never played together, get up on stage and out of nowhere play as if they might have been praticing with the group for years. Didn't DT mention on the video how the Jay Beckenstein just got up there (yeah it was a studio situation, but he improved the thing, right?) and whipped that puppy out?
I think a lot of it also has to do with being an experienced musician and being able to recognize where a groove is headed. I suppose just about anyone can be tight in a studio setting given enough takes and an engineer with a keen ear. To see it pulled off live.
> The fact that you like Dream Theater does NOT make you special, dammit.
Combine it with the other 9 things I like, though, and I AM special; and damnit.... people like me. Now isn't that special!
Happy Eggster :)
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
Portable, adj.: Survives system reboot.
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:48:50 -0600 (CST) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Keep those cards and letter coming in... Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970328164708.19225A-100000@rossby>
Top ten requests at jcase@rossby.ou.edu:
Send your RANKED (1=best; 10=10th best) favorite CDs to my address. I have 9 responses so far. Keep 'em coming!! Remember to include both the album title and artist.
-Jon Case
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:59:50 -0800 From: "Matthew A. Schnoor" <schnoor@SpiritOne.com> To: <cwheaton@micron.net> Cc: "_YTSEJAM_" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rush Tix for Gorge show (no DTC) Message-ID: <199703282354.PAA14465@ridge.spiritone.com>
To all those looking to buy RUSH tix for the Gorge show, call (503) 224-4400 this Saturday morning, after 9:00 a.m. PST. Tickets go on sale at 9. Prices range from $30 to $45, depending on seating.
The Portland show has still not been confirmed, and, with TicketMaster being as clueless as they are to such things, we probably won't know for a while. No word about the Seattle show either.
All jammers going to the Gorge show May 17th, let me know... we gotta organize something. :)
Later,
[ Matthew A. Schnoor ] "To rise, to fall [ mail: schnoor@SpiritOne.com ] To hurt, to hate [ mail: schnoor@cs.pdx.edu ] To want, to wait [ http://www.SpiritOne.com/~schnoor ] To heal, to save" [ IRC: M-Bone@irc.dreamt.org:2112 ] - Dream Theater, "Scarred"
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:41:25 PST From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: More IRC Musings Message-ID: <199703290049.AAA183717@out2.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 03/28/97 09:41am -0800
Hi everyone,
It's interesting to walk into a conversation on irc, you never really know what's going on...Daz said he could take it...little did the rest know :) Enjoy!
<Rick> Howdy Stranger! <id> oh go drink a pineapple already... :) <BatGrrrl> hehehehek NM156 isn't really my sister, he just has the same name as my sister :) <Rick> OK <Stranger0> hey again rick <Rick> BRB *** Rick is now known as Rickaway <U-dAZ> Rick : i'm gonna spank you when i get over ;) <BatGrrrl> nite giant hazlenut :) <Stranger0> hi id, derrick, NM, ryan, rachel, Daz <BatGrrrl> lol <U-dAZ> haha! <ryan> hey stranger <id> yo strangah <U-dAZ> okay i'm off <Stranger0> thats a nice greeting daz...thats going to the jam you realize <id> somehow i think pineapple lingerie would be more appropriate for you rick <Rick> It couldn't look any more stupid than what he made me wearthe last time, I wonder what Daz has picked out for me now, what did he make you wear last time id? <id> it could look more stupid than me in a skirt... <U-dAZ> take care you all :)
Mark/Stranger0 *You must unlearn, what you have learned, only then, will you have learned something. - Yoda, Star Wars *I have learned, that I know nothing - Mark Smeets *You have not yet completed your training - Yoda, Star Wars Check out the Megadeth Faq: http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/Front.htm My Page: http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/
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