YTSEJAM Digest 2407
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Concept Albums
by "Derrick S Collins" <derrick@cycor.ca>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2405
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
3) Holland/QR
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
4) Help please
by JE78674@ltu.edu
5) First Post
by Perk1994@aol.com
6) Re: Here we go again
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
7) QR introduction
by Peter Geerts <peter@wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
8) strange things and other panties
by WildKoba@aol.com
9) Enough already!!!
by "Kasper, Robert" <RKasper@aus.etn.com>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2406
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
11) Re: Education in YTSEJAM digest 2406
by Jim Mitchell <jrmitch@mail.utexas.edu>
12) **ARIZONA** WILDCATS!!
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
13) Re: Metallica
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
14) NEXT ALBUM?!
by "Scott D. Duren" <103430.227@CompuServe.COM>
15) YTSEJAM digest 2401
by MakTs <MakTs@compuserve.com>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2406
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
17) Re: **ARIZONA** WILDCATS!!
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
18) Listening to new DT material-WHERE!!??!!
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2405
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
20) MTV
by Aaron Happe <jared@stlnet.com>
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:57:13 -0330
From: "Derrick S Collins" <derrick@cycor.ca>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Concept Albums
Message-ID: <199703312028.QAA10540@bud.peinet.pe.ca>
> Aren't All King Diamond's albums concept Albums or just some? I know he
> does a lot of them, like "The Eye" being one I have.
Not all KD albums are concept albums. "The Spider's Lullabye" is not a
concept album. The last 4 songs do link together, but the first 6 songs are
completely unrelated.
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:38:21 -0500
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2405
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970331153821.00ab9dd0@pophost.fore.com>
At 12:31 PM 3/31/97 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>greatest advancements since the invention of the wheel. Plus, we have
>>Dream Theater.
>>
>
>But, we have to go to Europe to hear them :(
>
> kevin hammer
>
Not if you get a copy of the Fix for 9....oh, nevermind.
KAI
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 22:27:56 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'The YtseSpam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Holland/QR
Message-ID: <01BC3E24.0506AE80@Lwaxana.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
ITCHAK SCHWARZBARD said :
> YEAH!!!!! By the way, where is Holland? :)
>
> (Like it's some freaking huge landmark!) America is known for its
> doctors :), scientists, space program,(DREAM THEATER!), etc. and
> they are known for their....waffles?
Windmills, wooden shoes, tulips, half of Van Halen, Lemur Voice,
The Gathering, Rutgher Hauer (actor), Jan de Bont (speed), Paul
Verhoeven (Basic Instinct), Adam Curry (ex-MTV), Golden Earring
(band), Philips, CD, CD-i, Heineken, Grolsh, liquorice... Does
anyone from Holland have anything to add to that list ? :-)
> I guess we are the dumb ones.
:-)
Btw, got the new QR last Saturday. Listened to it at the store...
Bought it anyway... Listened to it in the best way I could think
of... lying on my bed, lights off, headphones. First impression :
"I FUCKING HATE IT !". Couple more listens... sounds cool, not bad.
Listened to it 12 times in 3 days. Right now, I love it, but IMO
it's not half as good as any of their other albums. I can see this
one getting old REAL fast. It reminds me of "Test For Echo" in that
respect. Hated it, loved it, got bored by it. Both albums are
produced by Peter Collins... Coincidence ? Also, both album covers
were designed by Hugh Syme. Love them both :-) Current favourites :
"Some People Fly", "Saved", "Hero", "All I Want", "spOOL" :->
The only song I really hate is "Get A Life". I'm sure the lyrics
will come in handy, next time I feel like flaming someone :-)
Mark
____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__
Would someone please let me know how we _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __
have spun out of control ? |:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./
Has the captain let go of the wheel ? |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/
(Queensryche - Sign of the Times) |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/
_________________________________________________________________________
Itchy's Homepage - http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:54:44 -0500 (EST)
From: JE78674@ltu.edu
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: Help please
Message-ID: <01IH5OYFWIZ68WXEZB@ltu.edu>
I e-mailed the Jam a while ago and never got any response/help. What I
was wondering is that I sent an application for a membership to the
DTIFC in January. Umm....it's April now and I haven't received any
correspondance from it. Does this mean the rumors I hear about people
sending in and never getting responded to true? Please let me know
(ie. Current Members) if this is just a standard thing. I appreciate
any help.
Thanks,
Jeff E.
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:10:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Perk1994@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: First Post
Message-ID: <970331160858_1152108088@emout19.mail.aol.com>
Since I joined this list earlier today, I figured I'd say hi to everyone and
introduce myself.
I've been a fan of DT since the first time I heard/saw them when they opened
for Marillion at the Ritz in 1990. Since then, I've seen them four more
times. I next saw them at Sundance on Long Island open for Marillion again.
This was the show they played as Ytse Jam and mostly instrumental until Steve
Stone came on to sing one song (I could've swore it was Metropolis, but the
FAQ said it was Change of Seasons). I also saw them at the Limelight (the
Dance of Eternity show) where I heard Change of Seasons for the first time
(or at least I thought!). I still have the "Playbill" from the show. I have
also seen them at the Manhattan Center and Malibu.
When I bought Images and Words (one of my all-time favorite albums), I was
astonished to see my old college radio station, WCWP, get a thank you from
the band. I do remember that WCWP (C.W. Post's radio station) did play WDADU
in its setlist. Anybody who listened to WCWP in the late '80's may remember a
DJ by the name of Mike Adams. That was me.
I am an avid DT collector. I have some bootleg CDs, including Dance of
Eternity, IntruMentals I and II, Wake Up and others. I also have a good
collection of videos -- Limelight, Manhattan Center, San Francisco, Tokyo,
Toronto.
One of the reasons why I got on the Internet was because I had missed the Fix
for '96 show at Mulcahey's because I didn't know about it. Since I got
online, I know I won't miss out on any DT news. I'm still pissed that I
missed the show but I did get a tape of the Toad's Place show and the new
songs are outstanding! I can't wait for the new CD (if it ever comes out!).
Thanks for reading and take care,
Adam Perkowsky (Perk1994@aol.com)
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:23:33 -0500
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Here we go again
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970331162333.00ade760@pophost.fore.com>
At 12:33 PM 3/31/97 -0800, you wrote:
>On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Lars Hellsten wrote:
>
>[See, I left it in this time! :) ]
>
>> The fact that Americans actually waste their time memorizing the capitals
>> of all the states (isn't that what an Atlas is for?) and other such useless
>> facts that can be looked up instead of learning useful SKILLS, explains why
>> the US is so far behind in the maths and sciences.
>
>Ah, see? Again, you're missing the whole point of this discussion. Look
>at it this way. James LaBrie - Canadian. Apparently (from your
>explanation) never had to memorize stuff in school. Can't remember where
>to start singing in "The Killing Hand." Who had to save his ass that
>night? Mike Portnoy - an American.
Not only is this hilarious, but did anyone notice how ON Mike's voice was?
I heard a tape of this show, and he was right on. I had no idea Mike could
sing, especially after his attempt at Surrounded, back in 92/93. Also, did
anyone notice that on some of the new songs, there are harmony backing
vocals. I assume this is Mike also, but it's hard to tell. I think Mike
really wants to sing..bad.
KAI
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 23:49:17 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Peter Geerts <peter@wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: QR introduction
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970331234332.21030A-100000@www.wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Okay, now that Queensryche has a new album, I'm beginning to realize that
this band *may* be worth my attention:-). I know, you guys will probably
call me illiterate (please disregard spelling) or beotians, BUT could
someone please e-mail me PRIVATELY some QR albums that may be interesting
as a first introduction, from the point of view of a DT-fan.
Oh, and please stop the American/European contest of posting the most
stupid arguments... Not interested anymore...:-(
Greetz, Peter
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peter@wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be
peter.geerts@student.kuleuven.ac.be
Jaarverantwoordelijke 1K wiskunde, KULeuven
Voorzitter JVS Orion Mechelen
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:50:29 -0500 (EST)
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: strange things and other panties
Message-ID: <970331164904_-1503984401@emout07.mail.aol.com>
so after driving 4 hours in fucking snow, i get back to find 94
messages....needless to say, i deleted every single fucking one of
them...thus, i've probably missed everyone and their mother's reviews of the
new ryche and so forth.....
but before i go there, check this shit out:
a) i was watching tv, and there was a twix commercial on, 2 guys (father and
son) were in a maternity ward viewing all these babies (i imagine one of them
belonged to the son), and they were ramblinb about something silly....i would
tell you about if i hadn't heard what was going on in the
background...........in the background, i kept hearing the hospital scene
from the beginning of operation mindcrime!!!!! i almost fainted.....it was
something else....whew.
b) i was in tower records clearance outlet, and in the 1 dollar bin was every
tnt album......anyone know if the charlie watts who produced them is the same
charlie watts of the rolling stones??
c) if anyone ever gets a chance to check out vernon reid and his "science
project".......please do. i saw it 3/24 at the knitting factory, and it was
by far one of the most bizarre things i've ever seen.....it's what i would
have to call "progressive new york jazz-funk-rock"......it would take me
forever to write about it, so i won't here.....just do it.
d) anyone else get the second part of the renaissance king biscuit flower
hour and hate it?
the grandiose ryche review everyone who's anyone on the jam has to give:
i like it. it's weird. it's very raw. it's soundgarden. it's very well done.
degarmo (i'm assuming that's him) does a nioce job with leads on that one
song. he cut his hair....he looks like weiland to me almost. geoff looks
great with a teacup in his mouth......scott is a cocksucker!). but the
music's good. i actually put away my marilyn and firestarter cd's to listen
to ryche. not an album i could recommend to 1st-time ryche listeners- kinda
like recommending an album like "duke" to 1st time genesis listeners or "the
final cut" to floyd listeners. but yeah, good work.
so how many people fucked their brackets up likewise? to think, i actually
won my pool, that's how bad it got. and in the ladies bracket, i swept that
up, even though i had tennessee losing to grambling in the 1st round.
27 days until the mothership lands in binghamton! peace.
ytsegoon
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david yoichi kobayashi
binghamton university
bd91014@binghamton.edu
"i bring truth and understanding, i bring wit and wisdom fair. precious gifts
beyond compare." -n. peart
"...i held with all my might- fearing my deepest fright, she walked into the
night. she turned for one last look- she looked me in the eye. i said 'i love
you...goodbye.'" -m. portnoy
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:09:35 -0500
From: "Kasper, Robert" <RKasper@aus.etn.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Enough already!!!
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_ATTMAIL%p=ETNWHQ%l=EXCHANGE-970331220935Z-8443@sentry.bev.etn.com>
Ok, everyone. The last two 'Jams I h ave received have been almost
completely full of senseless ranting about which country is
smarter/sexier/cooler than the other. This type of political and
nationalistic nonsense DOES NOT BELONG ON THE YTSEJAM!!! Take it to
private email, and let's get back to talking about music!
Rob
"Everything is True. Even false things are True."
Malaclypse the Younger, O.P.
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:18:56 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2406
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970331161746.27534B-100000@enteract.com>
> From: Steffen Barabasch <sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
> Subject: stupid Americans?
> Well, you give an excellent example. First you try to make us non-
> Americans look stupid, then you quote half a Jam. ;-)
I refuse to to allow my country to be judged by Scott Cook. :)
> Please don't start a flame war now!
You just did, pinhead.
I spat the rest of my fire in private e-mail. :)
- Chris
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:39:39 -0600
From: Jim Mitchell <jrmitch@mail.utexas.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Education in YTSEJAM digest 2406
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970331163939.006b30c0@mail.utexas.edu>
People are confusing higher education (college/university) which is fairly
well regarded, with education in grades K-12. This "lower" education is
where the studies say the US is ranked last (or very low) among
industrialised nations.
Jim Mitchell
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:07:55 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: **ARIZONA** WILDCATS!!
Message-ID: <199703312307.QAA33234@lucia.u.arizona.edu>
At 02:06 PM 3/31/97 -0800, you wrote:
>so how many people fucked their brackets up likewise? to think, i actually
>won my pool, that's how bad it got. and in the ladies bracket, i swept that
>up, even though i had tennessee losing to grambling in the 1st round.
Um, I go to UofA. :)
'nuff said.
Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince
If you're a heshian, headbangin' metalhead,
check out: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 18:17 EST
From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Metallica
Message-ID: <m0wBqKq-000B5LC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
I would like to know if this is a joke. I have 2 friends who after
they find this out will be depressed forever. And furthermore, I thought
Load was a great album and wanted more! MORE! Please tell me it is a joke!!!
Don
>
>
>Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 12:24:11 Central Standard Time
>From: "Francesco" <francesco.b.meschino@som.com>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Metallica retires?
>Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970331122342.70dfc4b2@mail.som.com>
>
>This morning I heard on the radio that Metallica is forced to
>break-up because of James condition with Tinnitus. It's so bad that
>the ringing' in his ear is driving him insane. I can't imagine how
>bad his condition is because I've got a slight case in one ear and
>it gets annoying when its real quiet, especially at night. I feel
>for him and the band, I hope that this will publicly expose the
>awareness and dangers of loud music or sounds.
>
>James, Don't Fade to Black!!!!! Hold the Dream (FH)
>
>Francesco
>
>
mcauburn@iinc.com
Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more
to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
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Date: 31 Mar 97 18:16:46 EST
From: "Scott D. Duren" <103430.227@CompuServe.COM>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: NEXT ALBUM?!
Message-ID: <970331231645_103430.227_JHM75-1@CompuServe.COM>
I don't suppose anyone out there knows when the next Dream Theater album is
scheduled to be released? (Please respond to 103430.227@compuserve.com - I am
no longer on the JAM.)
Scott
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:26:22 -0500
From: MakTs <MakTs@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2401
Message-ID: <199703311826_MC2-1387-FD24@compuserve.com>
>>From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
>>Subject: Gary is What?
>>This came from the Van Halen list. Maybe Charlie Dominici isn't doing
>>much and he can take over.
>>>Pat Martin, a DJ here in Sacramento on 93 Rock who is normally pretty
>>>reliable, said today his industry contacts said there's a strong rumor
that
>>>Gary Cherone is out as VH's lead singer. Martin said the band listened
back
>>>to the tapes and Cherone "wasn't cutting the mustard." He said to
expect
>>>official word soon, while at the same time stressing it was just a
rumor.
>>It's just my opinion, but might it be true that Gary Cerone is just too
good
>>for VH? His vocal strength is definately much better than Sammy's and
>>Dave's. Just my opinion. Later, J
You're so bloody right!!! (Nice to know I'm not alone!)
Mak
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:31:43 EST
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2406
Message-ID: <19970331.153228.3862.0.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
> I refuse to to allow my country to be judged by Scott Cook. :)
You're a fine one to talk Chris! During the fix for 96 debate you
spew all kinds of shit but then justify buying Mike Bahr's CD's
by saying "Since the band didn't try to stop it, then it was ok."
Those words may not be exact, but they're pretty close.
So I guess by your example you're saying it was alright for
Hitler to kill miilions of Jews because when he started putting
them in Ghettos no one really objected, that meant it was ok
to kill them. Some morals you got there Chris!
and when did I start living in the Unisted States of Ptacek?
>> From: Steffen Barabasch <sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
>> Subject: stupid Americans?
>> Well, you give an excellent example. First you try to make us non-
>> Americans look stupid, then you quote half a Jam. ;-)
I can't make anyone look stupid. they do that all by themselves. :)
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What do a nearsighted gynecologist and a puppy
have in common?
A wet nose!
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:35:20 EST
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: **ARIZONA** WILDCATS!!
Message-ID: <19970331.153541.3862.1.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
Arizona Wildcats WILL beat those inbred rednecks in Kentucky.
Why do you think the initials for Kentucky is KY? It must be a
beastiality thing.
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What do a nearsighted gynecologist and a puppy
have in common?
A wet nose!
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:56:09 -0800 (PST)
From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Listening to new DT material-WHERE!!??!!
Message-ID: <199704010056.QAA28719@f21.hotmail.com>
On YTSEJAM 2404, someone said that they had listened to some of the new DT
material. Where did he do it, and where can I go to hear it?
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
"Take hold of the flame.
Don't you see life's a game?
So take hold of the flame.
You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!"
Queensr˙che-"Take Hold of the Flame"
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6289
"We're on a mission from God."-Blues Brothers
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 19:31:43 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2405
Message-ID: <334065736c7d421@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
> be much better. And the only way the education system in the US will
> ever
> be improved is if more Americans wake up and realize that it needs a lot
> of
> improvement. As long as you think certain things in the US are
> automatically great just because it happens to be the USA, those things
> are
> never going to be improved.
Even though I'm a patriotic American (or perhaps BECAUSE I love my
country), I must agree with much of this, and also add that I think the
teacher's union is a big part of the problem in US public education. All
teachers have to belong (and pay dues) whether they want to or not, and
pretty much all the union does is try as hard as possible to fill its
leader's pockets with cash. This, along with all the bullshit
administration, does wonders for teacher morale, let me tell you (not to
mention students').
It should also be noted, however, that literacy and employment should be
viewed separately, because countries such as the Scandanavian ones that
were mentioned basically guarantee every adult a job, many of which are for
the government - kind of a large scale, permanent, bureaucratic Works
Progress Admistration (for those of you familiar with Depression-era
history in the US).
-Brian
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 20:05:37 -0600
From: Aaron Happe <jared@stlnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MTV
Message-ID: <33406D71.14DB@mail.stlnet.com>
Okay, here is my deal here. I am a big fan of music video's but
they never seem t play anything good. Every once and a while a I will
see a Guns N Roeses video but that is it. I think that we might have a
chance to see some cool videos if ppl could email MTV and ask them to
play some other shit. They used to have a Headbangers Ball a few years
back that played DT a few times, they even had some of them on as a
guest. I know it probly will not work but hey! its worth a try! SO
PLEASE EMAIL THEM! I am really getting feed up with that crap that has
been played lately.
-Aaron Happe
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