YTSEJAM Digest 2405
Today's Topics:
1) Re: love is blindness
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2403
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
3) Iron Saviour Project...the OFFICIAL word!
by breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de (Jason Breitweg (Wisconsin))
4) Recommendations
by "Robin L. Campbell" <campbell@str.com>
5) Re: Dumb Americans, intelligent Canadians (fwd)
by Peter Geerts <peter@wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
6) Americans? (NDTC)
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
7) 2404 the next nasal corn flake
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
8) Re: Americans? (NDTC)
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
9) Hopefully last thing about geography
by Peter Geerts <peter@wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
10) Here we go again
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2404
by "Glenn Pillsbury" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU>
12) Queensryche peers
by " Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>
13) Re: Americans? (NDTC)
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:29:11 -0500
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: love is blindness
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970331102911.00abdd30@pophost.fore.com>
At 10:24 AM 3/30/97 -0800, you wrote:
>> And I don't see how anything Yngwie or Jeff Scott Soto
>> ever wrote could be less interesting than Pearl Jam lyrics.
>
>Let me tell you a quote:
>
>"You're so full of what is right you can't see what is good."
>
>Ah, and there's another suitable one:
>
>"You walk thru life, deaf, dumb and blind."
>
>Vedder is a good lyricist, so is Cornell. This is not an opinion.
>
The ability to just as easily dispute this statement and declare that they
suck, makes your statement an opinion. Also, you declare this statement as
FACT, just after criticizing me for being "so full of right." Looks like a
clear case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Nothing I said was proclaimed as fact. I simply was stating that listening
to Eddie Vedder and Chris Cornell is like sitting in a college class. It's
torture to me, because aside from having to decrypt what he's trying to
say, I have to do it while listening to his horrid vocal melodies (or lack
there of). Reading Shakespear is not entertaining to me. Listening to PJ
or SG is not entertaining to me. I'm not disputing that they are viewed as
talented to some, however, I can think of many more talented people,
possibly because their talents interest me more. DT always interests me,
even with their lyrics. I love the music and James' melodies, so I can
listen to the lyrics. Most of the time, I don't know what they're about,
but to try to figure out what every word means, would not be entertaining
to me.
KAI
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 10:28 EST
From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2403
Message-ID: <m0wBj0w-0008g3C@xcalibur.iinc.com>
Thanks if that was directed to me- I'm proud to be a weirdo. Now, all's we
can wait for is the new Fates Warning song called "Cherry Pie" and the two
new Dream Theater singles "Every Rose Has Its Thorn" and "Girls, Girls,
Girls" (no offense, old Motley fans). For a real treat, the first single
from Savatage will be Welcome To the Jungle!!!!!!!!
Don
>
>Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 16:27:34 -0600
>From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
>To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: ryche and d's rituals
>Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970330222734.00880ff0@mail.inlink.com>
>
>>Miles Away- A Savatage song and I think a Winger song...
>
>yeah, this just makes me mad, i love this song (ryche's and savatage's both)
>but everytime i listen to it i just cant help but picture kip on his
>motorcycle going "MILES AWAY!!!!!" ahhhhh!!! the pain... the agony... THE
>80S!!!! (ruled:)
>
>
>>
>>But that's just me.
>
>and you're a damn weirdo :)
>
> ~Rip
>
>
mcauburn@iinc.com
Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more
to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
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Date: 31 Mar 1997 17:25:29 +0200
From: breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de (Jason Breitweg (Wisconsin))
To: ytsejam@ax.com, l42809@alfa.ist.utl.pt, angra-l@parasite.cena.usp.br
Subject: Iron Saviour Project...the OFFICIAL word!
Message-ID: <tkuencwkrrq.fsf@zeusa1.desy.de>
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted as well.
Want to know more about the Iron Saviour Project that invloves Kai
Hansen of Gamma Ray and Thom Stauch from Blind Guardian? Then check
out the following documents:
http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg/music/ironsav/ironsav1.txt
http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg/music/ironsav/ironsav2.txt
This stuff is right from the band. No rumors or bs!
Have fun, this should be a killer release!
Jason
-- Jason Breitweg --> breitweg@amzeus.desy.de, jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg, http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe "The Gods Made Heavy Metal And It's Never Gonna Die!" - MANOWAR------------------------------
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:38:24 -0600 From: "Robin L. Campbell" <campbell@str.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Recommendations Message-ID: <199703311539.HAA22536@odin.ax.com>
Hi Gang, Just wanted to say thanks to all who responded and gave me recommendations/advice on which discs to buy/not buy. I got some great info that helped me narrow my list down to an order I MIGHT be able to afford! Anyways, I have just 2 more questions if anyone can help:
Could anyone with Symphony X's DWoT tell me what they think of it? I have gotten one messgage praising it very highly, and would like a couple more. Is the concensus that it is better than Damnation game? It is a pretty pricey disc, but will be worth it if it as good/better than DG.
Does anyone here have any newer discs from Vicious Rumors? I have welcome to the ball, and S/T. I would appreciate any thoughts on other discs.
Once again, thanks in advance for any info, and I am grateful for the great info/suggestions I have gotten from here. This is by far the best source I have for finding great new tunes!
- Notorious R.O.B.
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:54:14 +0200 (MET DST) From: Peter Geerts <peter@wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dumb Americans, intelligent Canadians (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970331175117.20339A-100000@www.wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Okay, since I started all this shit about the 'dumb' americans I'll forward my reply to D-man. He was the first one to make any comments and I thought it would die out soon, so I mailed him personally. Actually, what I said counts for all of you...
Greetz, Peter
----------Forwarded message--------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 15:39:34 +0100 (MET) From: Peter Geerts <peter@wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu Subject: Re: Dumb Americans, intelligent Canadians
I didn't mean to offend you. I mean, if you would be talking about all the different states in America, I wouldn't have a clue if Nebraska is close to wyoming or so. So just for better understanding, I thought I should have cleared that up. Maybe you know where Belgium is, but that doesn't mean that everybody does. Like I said, I don't know where Nebraska is (well, on the other side of the ocean of course, but hey...:-))
Peter
-------------------------------------------- peter@wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be peter.geerts@student.kuleuven.ac.be Mathematics student at the Leuven University --------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:58:30 -0500 From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Americans? (NDTC) Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970331095826.007aa9e0@ionsys.com>
>I must say that whoever this guy was talking to must have been an idiot! >Most Americans' education levels far surpass the education levels of Foreign >countries. This is due to our countries dedication to acceptable education.
[soapbox mode on]
Bullshit. Of all of the world's industrialized countries, the education system in the USA ranks DEAD LAST (or close to last anyway) in the maths and sciences. And overall the US education system is rated as one of the worst in studies done by the UN and other organizations. In world wide tests of students in the maths and sciences, Americans didn't even come CLOSE to students in countries like Japan, Singapore, Sweden, Finland, Romania, etc. The literacy and employment rates in the US doen't even compare to that of Scandinavian countries (which are at about 99.9%).
I think the American education system concentrates so hard on brainwashing you that they forget about your real education. The pro-USA (as if no other countries exist on this planet) attitude in the American media (and living in Canada, I see it first hand) is self-evident, and given the way it focuses on American history, American geography, American this, American that, I wouldn't be surprised if the education system does the same thing.
And it's obvious from your message that you, like so many other Americans, think the US is the #1 place to live in the world, that no other countries can compare to it, etc. That's simply not the truth. I can't blame you for loving your country and being patriotic, but you must realize that in reality there are many other countries on this planet that are also great places to live.
Now, I'll probably get about 1000 flames for bashing the US. But let me just say right now, that that is in no means what I'm trying to do. The US is a great country, but it seems like a lot of Americans seem to have attitudes that would suggest it's the ONLY country in the world. That it's the be-all and end-all. This is evident in a couple of the messages I've seen lately. Especially this one.
Anyway, this is way off topic, but I just found some of the above comments to be so far from the truth I had to reply. The American education system is certainly one of the best in the world, but among industrialized countries, it is one of the WORST. So to say the US is dedicated to acceptable education is very questionable. Our education system here in Canada isn't ranked much better than the American education system, and as a student myself, I see it first hand, and it pisses me off. Things could be much better. And the only way the education system in the US will ever be improved is if more Americans wake up and realize that it needs a lot of improvement. As long as you think certain things in the US are automatically great just because it happens to be the USA, those things are never going to be improved.
[soapbox mode off]
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:03:41 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ThePeopleInTheHouseGoMOOMOOMOO <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: 2404 the next nasal corn flake Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970331093510.21126C-100000@enteract.com>
> The lyrics with "I'm a winner, you're a loser, this is your final chance" > is Cacophony. I think it's "Savage" from Speed Metal Symphony.
DINGDINGDING! :) > I think that you need to relisten to the new songs. They are much > heavier, groove infested and whats more, marketable. I don't feel anything > more than that the new album will be "rip off your head and shit down your > neck metal" Songs like, "Burning my soul" "Peruvian Skies" "Just let me > Breathe" and more "balladish" songs are planned for the new album.
I think this is one reason that the band didn't want the boots going around. They (and I totally agree with them) don't want you to form your opinions of the new material from an unofficial third rate copy.
> >This goes out to that "funny" drummer joke. I just want you to > >remember...think about how Dream Theater or any other respectable band > >would sound without drums... > > Don't worry, it was only a joke, it can't hurt you or anyone else. Maybe > next time try a taking it for what it was, a joke.
I don't think this dude took that joke that seriously folx. What he said sounds like a joke to me... besides... there are plenty of albums out there that are GREAT that have no one on the drum kit.
> The moral of this story is, people in glass houses shouldn't > throw stones.
But Nerf based items can never hurt.
And I officially hate all of you jammers in Europe. The fact that you can see real metal shows is really starting to get to me. :) Tell you what... you can come here and see Bush, Live, Collective Soul and Smashing Pumpkins. I'll go there and see Symphony X, Superior, Angra, Shadow Gallery, Lemur Voice and the many other awesome bands.
- Chris
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:12:17 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Americans? (NDTC) Message-ID: <199703311611.IAA22843@odin.ax.com>
> > Bullshit. Of all of the world's industrialized countries, the education > system in the USA ranks DEAD LAST (or close to last anyway) in the maths > and sciences. And overall the US education system is rated as one of the > worst in studies done by the UN and other organizations. In world wide
this is pretty much true...
> > And it's obvious from your message that you, like so many other Americans, > think the US is the #1 place to live in the world, that no other countries > can compare to it, etc. That's simply not the truth. I can't blame you for
a LOT of Americans are very patriotic....this country is not the #1 place in the world to live if you've lived here.... I want to move out of the US, but then again, I also want to move the hell off this entire PLANET! I have dibs on the first space civilization o the Moon or Mars, whichever comes first... > > Now, I'll probably get about 1000 flames for bashing the US. But let me > just say right now, that that is in no means what I'm trying to do. The US > is a great country, but it seems like a lot of Americans seem to have > attitudes that would suggest it's the ONLY country in the world. That it's > the be-all and end-all. This is evident in a couple of the messages I've > seen lately. Especially this one. > USA rules. If you don't like it, you Commie, then get the hell off our planet, or your country won't exist anymore!!!!
(sarcasm off)
Please flame the political threads with humor.......thank you.
-Al
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:17:24 +0200 (MET DST) From: Peter Geerts <peter@wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Hopefully last thing about geography Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970331175955.20339B-100000@www.wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Mon, 31 Mar 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
This is the last thing that I will say about this stupid subject. First of all, I started it, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it like that. (How did I mean it then -> see my previous posting) Second: this post I replyed to is just too stupid.
> > If you can't answer these then you're a fucking idiot!
I could only answer the last question, so I guess that now I'm an idiot :( AND I'm fucking:)
What's the point? I could ask you 5 questions about europe, that you guys couldn't answer, but that every european can... Besides, my original remark (if anyone still remembers how this whole thing started) was just to CLARIFY. More explanation: again, see my previous post.
> I went to Europe last year and one of the Countries we > went through is Belguim or however the stupid thing is > spelled. It took us less than one hour to drive through the > stupid thing.
Possible, depends on the direction in which you cross the 'stupid thing'.
> So don't get all bent out of shape because > Americans don't know every little cobblestone in Holland.
Don't get all bent out of shape because Europeans don't know every little state in America. Guys, I don't EXPECT you to know everything about Europe, that's why I put the damned remark in my post in the first place. Actually, in the future, I hope that the Americans will do the same, so that we, Europeans, will know what you guys are talking about.
> The moral of this story is, people in glass houses shouldn't > throw stones.
> Scott > That would be like getting all pissed off at you because > you don't know all of New Jersey. Hell, NJ is probably > larger than Belguim.
It is, and I hope it makes you feel good:(
Let's end this guys, like I said, you won't hear me talking about this again, but don't take it personally when I clarify some things that I think Americans in general don't know. Remember that there are 6000 kilometers (or 3750 miles) between us...
Greetz, Peter
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:23:09 -0500 From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Here we go again Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970331102300.007a4470@ionsys.com>
>And they say *Americans* are supid! >Here's some questions FOR NON-AMERICANS ONLY! >What is the capitol of North Dakota?
Bismarck (still remember that one from geography class). BTW, it's "capital", not "capitol".
>Who is the owner of NBC?
Ted Turner? (I think - all I know is that the owner of one of the US networks is trying to bring an NHL expansion franchise to Atlanta.)
>Who is the 37th President of the U.S. ?
Clinton? (Since you said "is", I assume it's the current president)
>What is the name of Elvis Presley's home and >where is it located?
Don't know this one. Somewhere in Tennessee? (Nashville? Memphis?)
>What is the largest state is area, NOT population?
Texas.
>If you can't answer these then you're a fucking idiot! >These may seem obscure, but no more obscure than >the things you expect us to know.
No, I think you're the fucking idiot, Cook.
Those questions are a hell of a lot more obscure (especially for a European as opposed to a Canadian) than asking where Belgium is. Belgium is a fucking country for christ's sake. How anyone could not know where it is is beyond me. There's a little bit of a difference between knowing the provinces/states/whatever in a country and knowing where the hell the country itself is! Perhaps you may not know where some little countries in Africa are, but to not know where a country like Belgium is, well, you should be ashamed of yourself.
The fact that Americans actually waste their time memorizing the capitals of all the states (isn't that what an Atlas is for?) and other such useless facts that can be looked up instead of learning useful SKILLS, explains why the US is so far behind in the maths and sciences.
And I believe whoever posted that list of stupid things Americans have said to him. Some Americans actually think it snows year round in all of Canada. Some Americans are shocked that there are parts of Canada that are actually as far south as the Northern tip of California. I've heard stories from my friends about how they went on vacation to places in the southern US, and some of the people they met there were surprised they already owned bathing suits! I've even heard stories about Americans coming to visit Toronto in the summer and thinking they'd need to bring a heavy jacket.
Now, 99% of Americans probably wouldn't be so stupid, but considering we hear things like this regularly, it's no surprise that Americans have the reputation they do. I saw this one episode of Jeopardy where they had a category on Canada. One question asked what the capital of the Northwest Territories is. All three of the contestants responded, and none of them got it. Two of them picked cities that weren't even in the NWT.
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 08:45:08 PST From: "Glenn Pillsbury" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2404 Message-ID: <47D2755200@113hum2.humnet.ucla.edu>
> "I got my weasel in my pocket > I'm gonna stick that weasel down my mama > I'm gonna stick it > Right down that little hole" > Oh my gawd. Some rock clod wrote that and said "Duuuuude, that'll get the chicks!" And some producer agreed with him. What was that about dumb Americans?
Glenn
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:01:41 -0800 (PST) From: " Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Queensryche peers Message-ID: <199703311701.JAA29136@f4.hotmail.com>
>IMHO, QR are definitely peers with Cobain ... I think QR are the >better musicians, but both bands are rock bands, both are Seattle >bands, and both are popular nationally.
By this argument, Hendrix and Soundgarden would be musical peers.
>It's true. They were both professional musicians at the same time, >from the same area, and in the same (very general) genre of music >(perhaps more so now, judging from what I've heard about HitNF).
Perhaps they are growing a bit more toward the grunge sound. Or, more accurately IMO, toward simpler song structures.
>From what I understand, the band NEVER hung out with the "grunge" >crowd and there was a general dislike from Cobain towards the "other" >metal scene. Just hearsay...Anyway, check out the film called "Hype" >(recently discussed here) and see how grune was only one small part >of the scene.
This is the best assessment I've seen. Remember, QR got their start in the early 80s... at least 5 years before the grunge scene got going. They also were (and still are, maybe less now with HitNF) a metal band, a very different scene. Calling QR and a grunge band peers is like saying a long-distance runner senior who lettered in track is peers with the quarterback of the 7th grade varsity football squad in the same town. In a sense, you could call grunge bands the "little brothers" of Queensryche.
My brief view on HitNF: It's got simpler songs, but most of them are pretty decent and catchy. There are even a couple that hearken back to Rage for Order. I just don't know if it's where I'm at musically. I'll probably grow to like it over time, but I doubt it will grow to be my favorite Queensryche album.
Ken
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 12:22:58 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Americans? (NDTC) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970331122258.00af6b90@pophost.fore.com>
> >Bullshit. Of all of the world's industrialized countries, the education >system in the USA ranks DEAD LAST (or close to last anyway) in the maths >and sciences. And overall the US education system is rated as one of the >worst in studies done by the UN and other organizations. In world wide >tests of students in the maths and sciences, Americans didn't even come >CLOSE to students in countries like Japan, Singapore, Sweden, Finland, >Romania, etc. The literacy and employment rates in the US doen't even >compare to that of Scandinavian countries (which are at about 99.9%). > >I think the American education system concentrates so hard on brainwashing >you that they forget about your real education. The pro-USA (as if no >other countries exist on this planet) attitude in the American media (and >living in Canada, I see it first hand) is self-evident, and given the way >it focuses on American history, American geography, American this, American >that, I wouldn't be surprised if the education system does the same thing. > >And it's obvious from your message that you, like so many other Americans, >think the US is the #1 place to live in the world, that no other countries >can compare to it, etc. That's simply not the truth. I can't blame you for >loving your country and being patriotic, but you must realize that in >reality there are many other countries on this planet that are also great >places to live. >
As an American, I agree with much of this post, and like you, I was confused that an American actually posted that the U.S. educational system is the best, when we have so many illiterate and unemployed people here. However, you simply can't argue the fact that the U.S. has made the most advancement in our short 200+ years of existence. In the past century alone, the U.S. discovered flight, crossed the Atlantic by air, put a man on the moon, and sustained life in space for 6+ months. These are the greatest advancements since the invention of the wheel. Plus, we have Dream Theater.
KAI
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