YTSEJAM Digest 2398
Today's Topics:
1) WASP, QR
by "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
2) muzak
by cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2397
by Bryan T Shipp <shipp@U.Arizona.EDU>
4) Re: muzak
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
5) Re: Lemur Voice
by Peter Geerts <peter@wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
6) Rush tix in SEA
by evan andrew nelson <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
7) Joe Stump
by cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
8) Re: Tix (No DTC)
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
9) Re: Dumb lyrics & other stuff
by Pete Dziadzka <petedz@interaccess.com>
10) QR : Anytime/Anywhere
by "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
11) A reminder.
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
12) Umm
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
13) one last note regarding top ten (to me personally!)
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
14) Cornell, Vedder and prog
by svjohnson@amoco.com
15) Annihilator/Ivanhoe
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
16) DT-pix + other
by satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen)
17) Response a question. (NDTC)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
18) A Point
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 01:40:13 -0500
From: "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: WASP, QR
Message-ID: <199703280640.WAA20912@odin.ax.com>
>God do I miss the days of Fuck Like a Beast!
Speaking of WASP, they're back!, the new stage show is gonna be
really sick. I heard that they will have a nun tied to a cross, then
perform
some bloody rituals on her. The old WASP is back.
>Scary stuff going on over here in CA. Cults, Comets, Aliens??? WTF????
Same stuff going on here in Canada a few days before the CA cult shit, some
guys burned themselves fot the same reasons. Idiots.
Now for my Queensryche review.... Operation:Mindcrime is a great album,
these
guys really have some amazing talent, the vocalist kicks ass!, the drummer
rules!.
I heard they just released a new album. It must be even better since they
had
all this time to evolve. Some guy played a song for me "Get a Life", he
said it
was by QR. He likes to play jokes on people, for a second it sounded a bit
like QR. QR would never write shit like that I said, I'm sure of it.
April: New FATES WARNING
May: New CRIMSON GLORY
May: New ANGRA (live)
but the best will be saved for last: New DREAM THEATER
Elvis Batur
cyclone@securenet.net
elv@geocities.com
Music In Progress
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 01:11:19 -0600
From: cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: muzak
Message-ID: <19970328070837917.AAA224@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
>umm... does your general hatred of "alternative rock" have anything
>ALL to do with THE MUSIC?
Yes, mind you... i'm pointing out that crap breeds crap.... don't think I
judge all CD's (a book ? :) ) by their covers... I'm not out to start a
flame war here ol chap... and I wouldn't consider Poison mainstream in the
terms of todays mainstream... I still have their tapes, watched the
videos... learned the riffs... Poison was at their height between the years
of (?) '88 -'91... grunge was unheard of then (by the masses) I even used
to be into the likes of Dinosaur Jr., Bad Religion, and others... except I
sold them to a used CD store.
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:29:14 -0700 (MST)
From: Bryan T Shipp <shipp@U.Arizona.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2397
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.93.970328002749.67614A-100000@lucia.u.arizona.edu>
HOW DO YOU GET OFF OF THIS LISTSERVE?????
Please mail me at <shipp@u.arizona.edu> privately if anyone would be so
kind........I am failing to find time to be of use to the list, so it is
more of a bother than a help.........SORRY!!!!!
me
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:31:03 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: muzak
Message-ID: <199703280742.XAA21301@odin.ax.com>
> videos... learned the riffs... Poison was at their height between the years
> of (?) '88 -'91... grunge was unheard of then (by the masses) I even used
> to be into the likes of Dinosaur Jr., Bad Religion, and others... except I
> sold them to a used CD store.
You know, I find this rather amusing. Isn't it strange how it's OK
for someone to listen to bands like Bad Religion, Nirvana, and Pearl
Jam and then after time they "evolve" into this greater musician and
then shun all of that despite the fact that they "used" to like it?
I don't understand. I can still kick back to Nirvana if I want to.
After all, the music's what I buy the albums for, not the artists. I
started into music listening to shit like that. Even though it is
shit, I still like it. I even know the words to most of the songs
off of Dookie for crying out loud. That's the kind of stuff that
made me start out as a musician as pathetic as it may seem to some of
you. It's not a bad thing to cling to my roots, as long as my
branches continue to reach for the sky. :)
Jeez, I gotta quit that philosophical talk. I sound like Confucious.
KorgX3 a.k.a. ibanez@cyberhighway.net
http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ibanez/index.html
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 08:49:06 +0100 (MET)
From: Peter Geerts <peter@wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Lemur Voice
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970328084221.9633A-100000@www.wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Thu, 27 Mar 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> Some more raves about this band....I finally really listened to "Free
> Will" on Working Man and I must say these guys can kick it!!!!
> Marcel, you can really play a bitch-dog of guitar! I will be looking
> for your release!
>
> Steve
Yeah, well, this is a Dutch band, and since I live in Belgium (for
the American audience: Belgium is quite near Holland) it was quite easy to
purchase the CD. The only thing I can say is that they kick ass, although
I don't think their music is DT-ish. (there is one song, though, that
reminds me very much of The Ytse Jam (instrumental, crazy riffs and so
on...)) They are all very-talented musicians but the vocalist's voice is
completely diferrent from Labrie's. Anyway it's definitely prog (or, what
is by most people on this list considered prog, in other words, you'll
like it :-)).
Peter
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 01:54:53 -0600 (CST)
From: evan andrew nelson <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush tix in SEA
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970328015357.975B-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>
To the person asking about Rush tickets:
I don't know about the Portland show, but tickets for both the Key Arena
and Gorge shows should be on sale Saturday morning at Ticketbastard..
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Evan A. Nelson enelson@uiuc.edu zanadu@iname.com UIN:268604
"Lottery : a tax for people who are bad at math"
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 97 13:35:57 GMT
From: cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List)
Subject: Joe Stump
Message-ID: <M.032897.143557.71@wxs7-6.worldaccess.nl>
Just picked up Joe Stump's "Night of the Living Shred" for something like US$
7 in a sale bin. Awesome stuff, played on an Yngwie sig strat, partly. Is Joe's
other as heavy and fast as this? Do tell me if it is (but via private mail
please).
Excellent stuff...
-- /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Richard Karsmakers cronos@worldaccess.nl | \--------------------------------------------------------------/ C.R.I.M.E. Development; "Twilight World" Magazine; WWW-MMM "ST NEWS" ST/TT/Falcon disk magazine; "Ultimate Virus Killer" Gwar FUQ II & GEMulator FAQ maintainer P.O. Box 67, 3500 AB, Utrecht, Netherlands /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Q: What do you do when a musician comes to your door? | | A: Pay him for the pizza. | \--------------------------------------------------------------/------------------------------
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:14:22 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Tix (No DTC) Message-ID: <199703281413.GAA22949@odin.ax.com>
> -- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > </__"Rockin Cabbie"__\o “THE INTERNET” > 0 0 E-mail:
Maybe its just me, maybe its just the fact that I'm in work with 3 hours' worth of sleep but the fact still remains:
I LOVE THAT GODDAMN CAB!!!!!!!! Whenever I see it, I smile.
sooo cuuuuuUUUUUUuuuuuuute!
time to go to sleep.....
-Al
"My only advantage is I'm better than you"
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:23:23 -0600 (CST) From: Pete Dziadzka <petedz@interaccess.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Dumb lyrics & other stuff Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970328091317.9211B-100000@psycfrnd.interaccess.com>
> seems there are a lot of people here that just can't accept that bands > change with time. Led Zeppelin's last LP sounded *Nothing* like their first.
Regarding QR, some bands change significantly over time and are no worse for it. Rush has changed their sound with every album. I love every single one of them because the quality of their song writing and playing has not degraded.
I agree that Empire was a ride on the gravy train for QR. PL was a soul searching album, and though the music wasn't as enjoyable to listen to, it still lived up to their previous quality standards. IMO, the new one doesn't from either a writing or playing standpoint.
Having heard the entire album, I'm voting with my wallet and not buying the thing. I am still a fan of the band, and hope that they snap out of it.
-- Pete Dziadzka
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 10:45:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: QR : Anytime/Anywhere Message-ID: <199703281545.KAA62259@pilot06.cl.msu.edu>
I caught the CD at Tower's listening station. Does anyone else think that Anytime/Anywhere sounds like it was written by Corrosion of Conformity? I like the CD, but that was the first thing I thought when I flipped to that track.
Andrew
-- garinger@pilot.msu.edu Zeta Beta Tau-Beta Epsilon Chapter
"Outside the soundness of your mind" "I don't believe what I'm thinking" Bathing your soul in silver tears I'm less than useful Beneath a blackened summer sky I could take it from someone else Praying for time to disappear" But even I think it's truthful" ---Dream Theater "Under a Glass Moon" ---Ned's Atomic Dustbin "Less Than Useful"
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:54:12 -0600 (CST) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A reminder. Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970328095248.2198A-100000@rossby>
Everyone:
I am now officially collecting PERSONAL e-mails for top ten favorite CDs of all time. Simply e-mail me at jcase@rossby.ou.edu
Sidebar to Pat: I accidentally lost your top ten list. Can you e-mail me back again?
Thanks, Jon
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:53:38 -0600 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Umm Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970328155338.00bdd7b0@enteract.com>
>From: ladyheather@juno.com (Heather J Powers) >Subject: rebuttal,Jens Johansson, Tori Amos,Queensryche > >HA HA HA He called me a newbie LOL......geez...I needed a laugh >By the way...give what you can get. Perhaps you should reread your jams >the below quote sure as h@ll wasn't from me ><You see, if you've been hanging around here for more than a day, newbie ><you'd realize that the only way to be heard is to yell over all the other ><traffic. The day before I posted my rather bodacious post, I posted a ><rather mild one, and no one responded. Since my second post, at least ><one or two people have visited. ><Whatever. I'm tired of explaining myself. You bore me. ><Mike Patrick ><mepatrick@iquest.net > I like the subliminal thing with the URL thing
Are you re-posting personal e-mail here? I don't recall this being a public post on the jam... and it's important to take one on one flame wars off the jam, when they appear. It's counterproductive to post personal e-mail to the jam. If it was a personal e-mail, it doesn't belong on a public list. Pardon me 1000 times if I missed the post in which he said this.
- Chris Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:59:26 -0600 (CST) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: one last note regarding top ten (to me personally!) Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970328095800.2888A-100000@rossby>
If you would include both the title and the group/artist's name, it is appreciated!
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 97 10:11:22 -0600 From: svjohnson@amoco.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Cornell, Vedder and prog Message-ID: <199703281611.AA18686@interlock.amoco.com>
Robert wrote: >majority of Soundgarden's material, covering 5 albums in the last 8 >years - not to mention his collaboration with Vedder and PJ on Temple >of the Dog. I wanna get in on this 'cause I love Cornell and I truly believe Soundgarden to bethe closest thing to prog grunge will ever offer. Temple of the Dog was HIS PROJECT almots completely as Cornell wrote all songs and I *think* helped produce. Vedder only sat in on "Hunger Strike". This album was from Chris to his good friend from MOther Love Bone whom Eddie replaced. It was an extremely personal project for Cornell. And I think Vedder is a good lyricist. Being a singer, I really concentrate on that, and it seems lyrics are an improtant part of prog music (as opposed to "Peaches", "Glycerine" or any handful of ridiculous atl. lyrics). I also believe Cobain was a really good lyricist, though I hate the livin' hell out of that band. Cobain was the 90's Dylan (whom I also hate)--great lyrics...incredibly crappy music and minimal musical ability. Steve LISA: "Poor Bart. Always chooses rock." BART: "Good 'ol rock. Nuthin' beats rock!"
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:13:37 -0500 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Annihilator/Ivanhoe Message-ID: <333BEE31.520B@earthlink.net>
> Annihilator - Refresh the Demon. Anyone have this? I never heard of it before.
Save your money on this one. It is basically King of the Kill Pt. II which may be good or bad, depending on how progressive you like your music. I personally hated it and just recently sold it. Gone are the days of the insane speed harmonized solos of deity Jeff Waters. If you are new to the wonderful grace and speed of ANNIHILATOR I suggest you pick up "Never, Neverland" or "Alice In Hell"..then "Set the World On Fire"....then, if you MUST get "King of the Kill" or "Refresh the Demon"...they aren't that bad considering what else is out there...but when you compare it to what Jeff Waters is capable of its a damn shame! The last 2 ANNIHILATOR albums are basically just him and a drummer and its SOOO simple. The solos are okay, but the lyrics sound like an eigth grader wrote them...you know..every single line ryhmes. Dunno why he's putting out this crap..I think he needs to be surrounded by musicians...not just him and a drummer. The first two ANNIHILATOR albums are HIGHLY recommended to any fan of speed/progressive metal.
> Ivanhoe - recommendations for first purchase?
I just bought an album of theirs "Symbols of Time" that I just can't seem to get into. Musicianship is great but it just doesn't do it for me. I'll sell it to whoever wants it for $18 ..(bought it for $25).
****Anyone get the new ELDRITCH or HEAVENS GATE yet????????????
cheers, Carlo (aka Fates, aka YtseSatan)
-- _ __| |__ "When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __| maybe then you'll begin to understand | | Life down here is just a strange illusion." | | |_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 18:29:25 +0200 (EET) From: satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT-pix + other Message-ID: <199703281629.SAA12133@id4.sci.fi>
Wanted to know is anyone interested in trading DT-pictures ?? I would LOVE to get more of those ! I have some taken from the gig in Helsinki in '95. I'm also interested in other bands too. I have a pretty good collection of all kinds of bands. Included Fates Warning, Stratovarius, Amorphis, Helloween, Alice Cooper, Winger, Thunder, Mr. Big, Type 0'...on & offstage. Happy Easter to whoever celebrates that.
Later,Satu
PS:Ben Laussade's wearing a kilt...surprise ! (Just HAD to say something about it..)
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:02:47 -0800 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: Pitiful Buffalo Sabre Fans <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Response a question. (NDTC) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970328200247.0068a1dc@pop.pipeline.com>
Someboday wrote/asked:
>Hey Gang, > I am planning on ordering some stuff from KnightsOfTheRound next >week and if any one can comment about any of the following albums >(preferably with respect to other albums by them for comparison) I would >greatly appreciate it:
>Kamelot - Dominion or Eternity. Which one is better, IYHO
Well, it's not a question of which one is better so much as, what are your musical preferences. Do you liked polish prog metal like Crimson Glory's "Transcendence?" If so, go with "Eternity." If you like something a little more varied, go with "Dominion."
>Letter X - Time of the Gathering. I currently have 'Born into Darkness'
Never heard of them.
>Annihilator - Refresh the Demon. Anyone have this? I never heard of it before.
I have heard nothing good about this album. From what I understand, each Annihilator album has been worse than its predecessor. From the two cds I have, "Alice in Hell" and "Never, Neverland," this certainly has been the case. If this cd is expensive, I would recommend buying Stratovarius' "Episode" instead! You will not go wrong with that. And I guarantee it! (Well, not really, but...)
>Ivanhoe - recommendations for first purchase?
I am not too familiar with this group, other than the fact they are reportedly a Dream Theater clone. I have one album on cassette somewhere, and it didn't knock my sock off. (Couldn't even knock *one* sock off!)
>Symphony X - S/T How does it compare to Damnation Game? (also, has anyone found Divine Wings of Tragedy anywhere for < $30???)
Other Jammers know better about this than I.
>Onslaught - Power from Hell I heavily doubt anyone has this, but you >never know. I have 'In Search of Sanity' & thought they were no more.
DANGER DANGER DANGER. This may not be what you are thinking. I have "In Search of Sanity," and I even made reference to it on the #jam Wednesday night (Blood on the Ice - in honor of Patrick Roy, Peter Forsberg and Claude Lemiuex bleeding all over the Joe Louis Arena ice surface - so, do I have a future in IRC play-by-play, fellas?) Anyway, if this cd came out before "ISOS", as I believe it did, this doesn't have the same singer (Grimmett, from Grim Reaper, FYI) and it's some crappy English Death Metal band. From the snippets I remember on usenet, the loyal fans were pissed when "ISOS" came out. Let *that* be your guide. I am pretty sure this "hell" album was pre-ISOS.
Don't worry, my Thunder review will be coming out soon. I know you can't wait.
GO WINGS!
Kevin
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:20:40 -0800 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Point Message-ID: <199703281720.JAA16564@main.cfmc.com>
>From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> > >I just don't get this. I'm certainly no Cobain supporter, but neither >Vedder nor Cornell have anything remarkable to offer. Some may see Vedder >as a great lyricist, but frankly I hate having to read between the lines to >try to figure out exactly what the fuck he means by "breakfast table in an >otherwise empty room." WTF? That has to be the single worst line in >lyrical history. God do I miss the days of Fuck Like a Beast! I guess >after Cobain killed himself I actually started to enjoy Nirvana a bit more. > Maybe I'll see new light in Pearl Jam if Eddie would just chuck it up and >do it.
I actually think Vedder and Cornell are awfully good, but I wanted to mention a couple of lines far more egregious:
"Somebody get me a ladder." Greg Lake, making no sense in "Still...You Turn Me On." It's a great tune, but what the hell is THAT line all about.
And what about "Roundabout?" "Mountains come out of the sky....AND THEY STAND THERE?" What the hell ELSE are they gonna do, Jon? From the same man who brought you "Here is my heart/Waiting for you/Here is my soul/I eat at Chez Nous." "I eat at Chez Nous?" Can someone interpret this one for me?
Kevin Gilbert was guesting on a morning show in LA (Mark & Brian on KLOS) some number of years ago and was making fun of some of these lines. But he's got one of his own -- "We've got dogs and Valvoline/It's a pretty damn good time." I guess, in his defense, that he KNEW he wasn't making any sense, but....glass houses, man.
Neil Peart is my favorite lyricist, Rush is my favorite band, "Distant Early Warning" is one of my ten or so favorite songs in the history of history. But I'm wondering about this one: "We need someone to talk to/And someone to sweep the floors." Sweep the floors? He needs a housekeeper? What? In the midst of this wonderful set of lyrics, that take up a grave socio-political issues using diction that's along the lines of a love song, he breaks off this line. To this day, I'm confused....
Five Gratutitous CD's: ====================== 1. Rush: Test For Echo 2. Metallica: Load 3. Kingdom Come: Kingdom Come 4. Tori Amos: Little Earthquakes 5. Anthrax: State of Euphoria
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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