YTSEJAM Digest 2527
Today's Topics:
1) Re: the overall effects of the pulsing waves of music
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
2) BF5
by "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
3) concerts in israel ??
by "Tomer Eliash" <tomerel@ben-gurion.hasharon.k12.il>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2525
by Jason L Luscher <luscher@student.umass.edu>
5) "In the Jam 2525, if prog is still alive . . ."
by Larry Odneal <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com>
6) Response from Francesco Mescino (francesco.b.meschino@som.com)
by "Francesco Mescino" <francesco.b.meschino@som.com>
7) Mail Item Format Warning
by RESPONSE at IBMMAIL <response@ibmmail.com>
8) OH NO!!!!
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
9) Re: Response from Francesco Mescino (francesco.b.meschino@som.com)
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
10) Re: Mail Item Format Warning
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
11) Joke (No Light Bulb Content)
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
12) ----------------------
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
13) Have you eaten a musician lately?
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
14) Dt's unrepetitve song writing ability
by vancer1@juno.com (Ryan M Vance)
15) NDTC - Mega F**king Deth
by wax@sprynet.com
16) Re: Have you eaten a musician lately?
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2525
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2526
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 19:31:59 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: the overall effects of the pulsing waves of music
Message-ID: <3368EFAF.15FB@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Ernesto
> But there's simpler ways like the end of the solo on PMU. Notice
> those how those last chords just pull you into (under, bad pun,
> sorry) the last chorus?. That' what i'm talking about.
The thing that I notice about the band is well they work the 'jam' into
the song. There are many examples, but since I've recently been taking
regular injections of Awake, that's where most of my listening is
centered.
Yesterday, it was Voices and Lie that stood out as giving the best of
both worlds: a carefully composed/arranged song from formally trained
musicians and some all out, crank it up, jamming. What JP does with the
WAH on Voices is pure unadulterated, raw emotion :)
Also, of the newer stuff I heard at the Strand show, they're making even
heavier use of the 'jam'. I grew up going to see a lot of club bands
which is mostly comprised of the 'jam fest'. Dixie Dregs were incredible
in a small club (<500) setting. Jon Finn Group did it extensively a
couple of weeks ago.
I'm actually happy to see the band doing this. This is a good thing,
IMO. And it certainly seems to put to rest the question "Can't they just
loosen up and kick back?"
BTW, anyone catch the RPM/Steve Morse gig? I'd be very interested in
hearing a review.
Regards,
Jon
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| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 13:56:32 +0000
From: "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: BF5
Message-ID: <199705011856.NAA15801@Walden.MO.NET>
About Ben Folds Five, I agree that they are very good, though not
prog. I saw them recently at Teh Galaxy in St. Louis. Great set by
them, Komeda was, yes, unbearably bad (though they did provide some
good material for some humour :). Oh, and tix for that show were $5,
so even if they sucked, it was worth it there :).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 20:58:50 +0300
From: "Tomer Eliash" <tomerel@ben-gurion.hasharon.k12.il>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: concerts in israel ??
Message-ID: <199705020016.CAA07689@server.ben-gurion.hasharon.k12.il>
Hi there All ...
any1 knows if (and when if there are) Dream Theater plans to come to
Israel ???
or any other metal band ???
I just buy the Images And Words and Awake ... geee they are GR8 !!!
i recommend to the metal fan. to hear ManOwaR it isn't the same style
as Dream Theater but what i hear was good , lis10 to it b4 u buy it
, you never know what you really like ...... I Like it ;)
- Tomer
Tomer Zvi Eliash (MiST)
+972-6-6301601 (home page
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Alley/1390 )
Hibat tzion,Israel
|Not Only The Sleeping Should Fear Dreams.|
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 14:53:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason L Luscher <luscher@student.umass.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2525
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970501144425.10958A-100000@emily.oit.umass.edu>
> << I have a question for those who've seen it...umm...do we just call the
> dude "Bob" now since he's had a speaking line??? Just a thought. >>
>
> Actually, "Bob" had a spoken line at the end of "Clerks".
> I guess it's a more general nickname like our very own "Silent Man" Myung!
Nope, "Silent Bob" was in "Clerks" and "Mallrats". He only had one
speaking line in the end of each. That's how he got the name "Silent
Bob". In "Chasing Amy" he has a decent size speaking part, not just one
line, so maybe his name should be altered. He is also the guy who wrote
and directed all three movies.
In other news, does anyone know who is touring with Queensryche,
specifically at Greats Woods in MA if it is different at different dates.
I can't seem to find out anywhere, sanx, Jason
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 14:42:41 -0400
From: Larry Odneal <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "In the Jam 2525, if prog is still alive . . ."
Message-ID: <3368E420.531F@ix.netcom.com>
Ernesto wrote:
In such caases, you could replace the instum.
section w/ a simple, in would have about the same effect. Of course
you
can't put it in such scientifical terms either...
Uh, yea, what he said . . .
/me prays this will actually cause more than one reply.
You're prayers have been answered!
/me predicts it will only cause one reply, if any.
Nostradamus you are not!
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
I was so moved by tonight's Ellen episode I am proud to announce
to the Jam and the world that I AM A LESBIAN. That's right, I LOVE
women! Not only do I enjoy the company of women I also enjoy
kissing women and making love to women and only women.
So what are you now, QUEEN of the Ytsejam???
Ytsegoon wrote:
hey, i was wondering if anyone in the nyc area has REALLY good eyes
or ears
and has read or heard ANYTHING about this year's macintosh new music
festival. if ANYONE knows anything, please email me privately.
thanks.
I heard it was cancelled due to the impending downfall of Apple
Computers. Don't flame me - that's just what I heard . . . well, OK, I
made that up . . .
From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
<snipped>
There's a distinction that should be made between what I'll call
"folk
music" and "artistic music" (and it shouldn't be inferred from this
that
"folk music" is not artistic.) The folk stuff, which I'll apply to a
lot
of rock n' roll, especially punk, and basically everything that's
popular
these days, is by its nature accessible. It will reach out and sooth
you
or shock you, but either way it will make itself immediately known.
It
tends to be simpler so the average listener, who has a life and a
job and
stuff to do other than sit in a dark room and listen to music, can
sing
along, maybe dance to it, hum the melody while he does something,
etc.
This music has always been around, it always will be, and it will
always
be more popular, and it has an intrinsic value.
Prog will never be as big. Some prog bands may gain a huge
following,
because their are people who look to appreciate music as an end in
itself
and not as something to dance to, play in their car, etc. But in
general,
people have lives, and to appreciate "artistic music" you often need
to
pay it direct attention, which requires time and effort.
I think I just went off on a tangent. Excuse me. I think my point is
something like this: people here get pissed at what's popular
because it
bores them. it fulfills a function for others, but for the Noble
Pissed at
Pop, DT fulfills the same function and much more, so they get sick
of
hearing this simple stuff all the time while the bands they like,
who they
consider much more talented, starve from lack of attention.
Me, I don't mind a lot of the stuff that's popular, but I don't buy
much
of it because once I've heard it, I've heard it, and there's rarely
a need
to own it.
Well said, Anton! I am printing out your "tangent" because it puts into
words what I've been thinking ever since I got my latest g/f, who likes
(whispering) country. She gets mad when I criticize it, and says that
what I listen to is "weird". I hate saying "it's cause I'm a musician
and I appreciate complex music" because that's kinda like waving your
dick in the air (which she actually likes) - anyway, thanks for your
analysis - I for one thought it was perfect!
YtseFart the Elder
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 17:26:59 Central Daylight Time
From: "Francesco Mescino" <francesco.b.meschino@som.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Response from Francesco Mescino (francesco.b.meschino@som.com)
Message-ID: <19970501172659.53a88d85.in@mail.som.com>
You may no longer reach me at this E-Mail address.
I've changed and modified my last name to Mescino.
The new address is f.mescino@som.com.
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 17:29:40 -0700
From: RESPONSE at IBMMAIL <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <33693574.613E@ibmmail.com>
The mail item that you sent at 05:33:59 GMT on 1 May 1997 has been
delivered.
However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 18:37:37 -0500
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: OH NO!!!!
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970501233737.0071de08@mail.inlink.com>
>
>The mail item that you sent at 05:33:59 GMT on 1 May 1997 has been
>delivered.
>
>However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a
>format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL.
>Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped.
AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IBMMAIL IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HIDE YOUR COWS, WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST, MAKE SURE YOU PUT ME IN ALL YOUR
WILLS FOR YOUR CD COLLECTIONS AND JPM 100s!!!!!!!
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 20:18:32 EDT
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Response from Francesco Mescino (francesco.b.meschino@som.com)
Message-ID: <19970501.171949.8638.21.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>You may no longer reach me at this E-Mail address.
>I've changed and modified my last name to Mescino.
>The new address is f.mescino@som.com.
Are you just sending the same messagge every day or do
you change your address every day?
Scott
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 20:26:17 EDT
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <19970501.172830.8638.24.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
On Thu, 1 May 1997 16:39:25 -0700 (PDT) RESPONSE at IBMMAIL
<response@ibmmail.com> writes:
>The mail item that you sent at 05:33:59 GMT on 1 May 1997 has been
>delivered.
Oh boy, here we go again!
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 20:26:17 EDT
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Joke (No Light Bulb Content)
Message-ID: <19970501.172830.8638.25.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
This is an old one, but still funny.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:04:01 -0700
From: Chris Bock <Chris_Bock@peoplesoft.com>
Reply-To: vanhalen@lists.fdt.net
To: vanhalen@lists.fdt.net
Subject: 3 Fingers (Non VH)
A teacher was helping her student with a math problem. She recited the
following story :
"There are three birds sitting on a wire. A gunman shoots one of the
birds. How many birds are left on the wire?" The boy pauses. "None,"
he replied thoughtfully.
"No, no, no. Let's try again," the teacher says patiently. She holds
up three fingers. "There are three birds sitting on a wire. A gunman
shoots one," she puts down one finger, "how many birds are left on the
wire?"
"None," the boy says with authority.
The teacher sighs. "Tell me how you came up with that." "It's simple,"
says the boy, "after the gunman shot one bird, he scared the other two
away." "Well," she says, "it's not technically correct, but I like the
way you think."
"Okay," chimes the boy, "now let me ask you a question. There are
three women sitting on a bench eating popsicles. One woman is
licking the popsicle, one woman is biting the popsicle, and one is
sucking the popsicle. Which one is married?" he asked innocently.
The teacher looked at the boy's angelic face and writhed in agony,
turning three shades of red. "C'mon," the boy said impatiently,
"one is licking the popsicle, one is biting, and one is sucking.
Which one is married?"
"Well," she gulped and in a barely audible whisper replied," the one
who's sucking?"
"No," he says with surprise, "the one with the wedding ring on. But I
like the way you think."
}:->
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Date: Thu, 1 May 97 20:35 EDT
From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ----------------------
Message-ID: <m0wN6Jo-0006WGC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
Just 2 random and very small reviews I have:
Kilgore Sludge (Smudge??- name escapes me)- Blue Collar Solitude
Good band- reminds me of how Life Of Agony should sound. Total non-prog.
Heavy..sounds pissed. A lot of attacks on religion. First song, singer says
something about "sucking my rod because mine is a merciful God".
Beautiful..brought a tear to my eye. Recommended.
Queensryche- Operation: Promised Land
I've been warned but its the only damn QR PL boot I could afford. Hope to
buy State Of Art or S&S soon. Oh, yeah, what I was warned about was the
skipping. The bootleg maker got lazy. Can barely play track 1 and 2 (I Am I/
Damaged). Revolution Calling sucks compared to the version on the Silent
Lucidity bootleg. Someone Else is exceptional- the guitar adds to it. I Am I
(when it can be heard) and Someone Else are the best songs. Really wanted to
hear Promised Land live but its not on here. Should've listened to the
warning about this CD. Just like Silent Lucidity (which skips on track 1),
its got an engraved mark on it making it skip. Packaging is okay.
By the way, theres a new QR boot out with 1982 demos on it but I can't
recall the name of it. I'm pondering getting this.
Don
mcauburn@iinc.com
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784
...so many times, I tried and failed to gather my courage
reach again for that nail, life's been like dragging feet
through sand and never finding the promised land....
Queensryche- Promised Land
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 20:48:28 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Have you eaten a musician lately?
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970501204816.0068f5e8@ici.net>
>Okay... but I would make the case that in most of the bands that I
>listen to (since I can only speak for myself here), all of the members
>ate musicians.
^^^
Hmmm....interesting theory. Everybody knows "you are what you eat."
Soylent Music
"It's a cookbook!!!!!!!"
etc.
-----
________Pat Sullivan__________________________________
E-mail: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator
NP: Deliverance - "If You Will"
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 21:12:49 EDT
From: vancer1@juno.com (Ryan M Vance)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dt's unrepetitve song writing ability
Message-ID: <19970501.181509.6639.4.vancer1@juno.com>
>2 comment: It seems to me, that what sets DT aside from other bands is
that,
>instead of being formed of a singer, a guitarist, a drummer, etc...,
they
>are five MUSICIANS. By that, I'm not implying that any of the
>aforementioned(?) instrumentalists aren't musicians. It's that all
members
>of DT (or at least most, I don't know 'em personally) have a generally
good
>sense of songwriting and arrangement ( which kinda ties in w/ my first
>comment). And one can see how they have matured w/ that ( and they're
own
>individual skills) with time. Most bands usually have one guy who's the
main
>songwriter and arranger (Harris in Maiden, for example) and of course
>there's the infamous producer.
i think that this is the reason DT's songs are so different from one and
other.they each have personality of thier own unlike many bands today
where every sond sounds the same. i think this is because with most bands
the songs only express one band members ideas, felling, thoughts, ect.,
the writer. because he's the only one who can put it into music where as
with a band like DT you have five different personalitys contributing to
the songs each member putting a little bit of their influence in the
song. with this many writers you can make album after album, song after
song, without them being repetitive like many bands today.
-ryan
vancer1@juno.com
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 21:26:22 -0400
From: wax@sprynet.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NDTC - Mega F**king Deth
Message-ID: <336942BE.17B7@sprynet.com>
Greetingage Jam!! Just wanted to let ya know that Megadeth is doing the
promotional tour thing as you read this. They hit the Rock 'N Roll
Capital today and had the Buzzard play "Trust," the new single
<ROCKS!!>.
Dave mentioned that the US Tour will start in late July, kicking off
with a Vegas date. The interview went quite well aside from one of our
Mongoloid DJ's calling Nick Menza "Dick Menza," but the moron was ripped
on all afternoon for it... I guess it's something in the water here, we
just can't seem to get it right <aside from the Rock Hall inductions
FINALLY FUCKING HAPPENING HERE WHERE THEY BELONG IN MAY!!!!!>
But I digress...
The Ever Present Matt
-- "Lost in the sky clouds roll by and I roll with them..." -Dream Theater - yes, just to piss off the whining SF maggots!!------------------------------
Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 22:29:52 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Have you eaten a musician lately? Message-ID: <19970501.193119.8638.26.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
On Thu, 1 May 1997 17:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> writes:
>Hmmm....interesting theory. Everybody knows "you are what you eat."
Oh, so *that's* why I'm called "Pussy." }:-)
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 00:34:20 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2525 Message-ID: <19970502043410.AAA13436@mail.pananet.com>
>> > ...And it's present also in many 3-chord songs.. it's all about good >> > arraniging. >> >> True, but sometimes I'll be in the mood for a raw, three-chord song. It's >> about preferences. I like Matthew Sweet as much as Dream Theater, and I >> don't feel the need to limit myself just because I'm a prog fan. >> >This statement sort of implies that Ernie is limiting himself because he's >a prog fan, which misses the point slightly. He doesn't like the simpler >stuff not because he feels obligated to by being any category of fan, but >because it just doesn't interest him.
nononononono, I'm not saying I don't like 3-chord... I like a lot of them actually. That's the last thing I worry about when I'm listening to a song. I don't even consider myself a prog fan, actually. I was trying to say that a song can move forward, and yet be very simple. >
>Pop, DT fulfills the same function and much more, so they get sick of >hearing this simple stuff all the time while the bands they like, who they >consider much more talented, starve from lack of attention. >
i agree, although I remember for a while I had forgotten just how powerful that 'folk music' can be. Especially for us dedicated listeners. I remeber the day it struck me, that I hadn't listened to solid, simple song that just kix my ass in a while.
>> do it their way. By this criteria, ACOS could be one of these songs. But >> again, to each his own. And, that's the beauty of medleys :) >> >No, I don't think ACOS would fit that. Every verse is different, every >instrumental section is different, and there isn't really a chorus.
Yeah, I feel a sense of completion after I hear ACOS.... it's taken me somewhere and left me satisfied... like a good book THAT"S WHAT I HAD FORGOTTEN TO SAY... yes i like it when songs are like storys... when they have a climax ( i guess you could also compare it to good sex:) ) At some point there's a peak which you have to get to in order to get the full idea of the song.
thankyouverymuch Ernie
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 00:35:27 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2526 Message-ID: <19970502043514.AAA13455@mail.pananet.com>
>>are certain prog groups that miss this point completely. All their songs are >>basically verse-chorus-verse-chorus-long instrumental section to show their >>unbelievable skills-chorus. > > Could you please give a few examples?
Right now I can only thik of 'Cliffhanger' by Shadow Gallery. It's pretty much a standard tune, and then all of a sudden they go into this section w/ all this teedledy-tweedledy scales, and then come back the original repetitive theme, with actually pulling the listener towards it... they just fall back on it as if it were an obligation. I'm not saying that SG do this all the time... that's just ONE song, and I can't think of any other examples at the moment...
> It has always seemed to me, although I could be wrong, that >Petrucci and Moore were always the main songwriters for DT,
They are the main lyricists, but they all have arranging/songwriting input. I actually think MP has a lot of say on the arranging... and JM, just because he's silent, don't mean he ain't creative, ya know? :)
> Oh and getting back to the musicians part. I agree, but sometimes >having "5 musicians" in a group can be a bad thing. I mean look at ELP, >you have three musical virtuosos but a lot of their stuff is a mess
Yes and that's the beauty of it.. they're 5 very talented musicians, who truly let go of their egos when they have to. And they get better at it with each CD.
>>Possibly, but maybe these groups choose to "miss the point completely" and >>do it their way. By this criteria, ACOS could be one of these songs. But >>again, to each his own. And, that's the beauty of medleys :) > > So would Metropolis... it's even more obvious there.
I don't agree. I didn't say I didn't like those long crazy sections... they just have to be done right. For example in Met., they seem to be losing it towards the end w/ all the dissonant crazy shit, and then they go into this long climb in unison, and then you're like, shit, how long are they gonna keep going up, HOLY FUCK! and then all of sudden: breakdown into a nice relaxed riff..aaaaaaahhh. That's exacxtly the kinda stuff i'm talking about. I remember a friend once told me he couldn't listen to that part when he was driving, because he'd probably crash:)
>> Zep does that a lot actually.. Battle of Evermore and Achilles' >> Last Stand, my two favourite songs by them, are very repetitive. We should >> be thankful that Stairway to Heaven contains a movement.. > >Well, those two songs are awfully repetitive, but they do progress. Battle >of Evermore mostly lyrically (the prominent vocals help), and Achilles'
Ya know? I havent listened to Zep for awhile... I think I'm gonna look thru all my CD's..
>Okay: Shockwave was the gun and Soundwave was the cassette player, >right? I always wondered why they both shrank so much when they >transformed. Where, oh where have the good cartoons like those gone. >Anyone remember M.A.S.K.? Another classic...
I'm serious... now all they do is make lame cartoons of popular video games.
Where's Mayor Mayhem when you need him?
>So true. I suppose that is why none of the people in my building >appreciate the music I listen to. They only hear it in the background >and cannot really grasp a hold of what it is about. They all think I am >crazy just for putting meaning on the music I listen to. They think >music is only for entertainment. But that seems to be the majority >opinion out there in the world. At least we are the chosen ones who are >free from this somewhat limiting factor. >
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN BRUDDA!
thankyouverymuch Ernie
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