YTSEJAM Digest 2536
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2532
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
2) SUPERIOR?!?!
by svjohnson@amoco.com
3) HELP (no, not the Beatles song)
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2535
by Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu>
5) Trimming the edges off a dead goat.
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
6) moocow fact & guitar talkin
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
7) new? magellan?
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
8) cd running times
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
9) Re: cd running times
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
10) Re: Part VIII of aPSoG
by edwilk@juno.com (Edward J Wilk)
11) Re: cd running times
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
12) Majesty Demos
by "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?FUNDACI=D3N_TECNOS?=" <tecnos@anditel.andinet.lat.net>
13) Re: moocow fact & guitar talkin
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
14) DT, Yes, Rush, and Magellan thangs.
by Jeremy Hyde <tempus@alliance.net>
15)
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16) HI
by Andrew Garner <agarner@netcomuk.co.uk>
17) remove
by XFILE11971@aol.com
18) Angra
by edwilk@juno.com (Edward J Wilk)
19) RUSH!
by Mark Hatch-Miller <ace@onfire.net>
20) DT solos
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
21) Mercury Rising "Upon Deaf Ears"
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
22) Angra / Symphony X
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 09:44:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2532
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970507094208.9299B-100000@battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu>
>>and I noticed that both Behind by Superior and APSOG had versions with
>>one extra song. Any info on how these songs are, if they really exist?
ummm, maybe they threw that song by that other Superior on there?
:)
psm
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Date: Wed, 7 May 97 08:47:38 -0500
From: svjohnson@amoco.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: SUPERIOR?!?!
Message-ID: <199705071348.AA24341@interlock.amoco.com>
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Bern, is your band, Superior, the same that is on the soundtrack for
"The Saint"? If, so, CONGRATS! If not, then someone is pimping your
name! :)
Sorry to bug the 'Jam.
Steve
MOE: "Well ooo la la. Did ya hear that, fellas? Homer's got a
'garage.'"
HOMER: "Well what do you call it?"
MOE: "A car hold!"
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Date: Wed, 7 May 97 16:06:36 +0200
From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de
Subject: HELP (no, not the Beatles song)
Message-ID: <9705071406.AA00306@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
it looks (and sounds) like the latest offering by Tiamat, 'A Deeper Kind Of
Slumber', has moved into my CD players on a permanent basis, only making place
for Symphony X when my girlfriend steals it. So to help me over my Tiamat-free
hours, does anybody know if there is a Tiamat mailing list anywhere? All help
greatly appreciated.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Elend - Les Tenebres Du Dehors
This post is an Ayn Rand-free zone
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 11:27:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2535
Message-ID: <01IIL4BV4A2Q8WWDY0@LTU.EDU>
>
>Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 18:19:02 -0700
>From: Mark Hatch-Miller <ace@onfire.net>
>To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: RE: QR on Rockline, who is opening??
>Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970506181851.006989cc@onfire.net>
>
>DId anyone who heard QR on Rockline catch what the set list might be like
>(apart from "half the HitNF songs")?? Just wondering..
>
>Anyways, I've been checking out the possible QR openers that were listed
>and even tho it sounds like DT is "impossible," so is almost every other
>band!! I was hoping Itd be Tool but by the time QR is in Phoenix
>Lollapalooza will be well under way! And just think.. With DT starting to
>record, what is it, next week?? Awake and I&W both took about 2-3 months to
>record, and I dont think all the material was worked out and road tested as
>much as it has been for the new stuff, if it all (Please correct me if Im
>wrong)!! So I dunno, Im HOPING that maybe the guys know this material SO
>well that they just burn through it and get it done in order to do at least
>a few QR dates (PHOENIX PLEASE!!!!) : ) And if they arent finished, who
>knows?? Maybe theyd be willing to take a few weeks off to do some shows
>with QR, even just in Phoenix would be fine with me.. : )
>
>Mark Hatch-Miller, Esquire
>aka Cygnus on IParty and IRC.DREAMT.ORG
At that point I'd think they'd be more likely to start a headlining tour.
I remember seeing DT less than a month after Awake came out. I wouldn't
want to see them play such a shortened set. It's been 2.5 since they
played Detroit, and the wait for them to return is getting really annoying.
-C#
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 12:06:41 +0000
From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Trimming the edges off a dead goat.
Message-ID: <33707051.E50@sprynet.com>
On Rockline Monday night, when the subject of opening bands was brought
up, a caller suggested Dream Theater to which Chris DeGarmo replied,
"cool."
Yeah it would be cool but I still don't think there's much of a chance.
As far as a setlist, they said they'd play about half of the new one and
mix in some old stuff. I'd guess about half of the Promised Land and
Mindcrime stuff with some Empire thrown in too. Remember how they cut
back on Mindcrime on the last tour? I'd suspect them to the same with
Promised Land.
New Flotsam & Jetsam June 3!
I guess that's all i have for you today
Later
Phillip
Cool CD of the day: T-Ride "T-Ride"
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 13:32:29 -0500
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: moocow fact & guitar talkin
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970507183229.0072437c@mail.inlink.com>
ok, just finally obtained one today. woo haw. first thing i noticed was
strikingly resembling tracks to acoustic dreams. <grin> yep, all your
favorites from acoustic dreams are here.. though i'm afriad the quality isnt
QUITE up to par with good ol mike's AD, its definately good, and you
definately should peel your eyes if you want the acoustic stuff. what this
does include that you wont find AD is the cool chats and junk-arounds in
between songs :) this also includes probably the best version of Lost
Without You i've heard. its not the same as on Precious Things. to anyone
who can dig it up, ENJOY! =)
*cow fact*cow fact*cow fact*cow fact*cow fact*cow fact*
originally, the disease smallpox posed quite a problem. evading it was
hopeless. but through observation, it was discovered milkmaids were immune
to this disease. why? they all suffered from cowpox. after your immune
system defeats this and the antibodys go kick some antigen ass and the
suppressor T cells calm you back to normal, you are immune. you are also
immune to smallpox after suffering cowpox. therefore, they started giving
people cowpox to vaccinate them from smallpox. the worls first vaccine.
and the term vaccine comes from, you guessed it.. the latin word for cow;
vacca. so now everytime you hear that word, think of cows and how they
rule. later :)
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 14:50:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: new? magellan?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970507143941.27228B-100000@gorf.rs.itd.umich.edu>
you folks who've been talking about magellan sound like "test of wills"
just came out yeserday (may 6th)........is that true?
because I've had the album since last thursday :)
picked it up in a used store.....but if it came out yesterday.....it
means.....WOW!!!!!! I had an album in my hands before the official release
date for the first time in my life! I feel so special :)
superficial review: I liked it......but i'm still selling it......first
few songs, didn't really get into all that well, the vocals/production
just sorted sounded really *bland* or somewhat sterilized to me, esp. on
"gameface".......
really liked the last half of the album though..........
preaching the converted and critic's carnival especially
Here's the thing that really struch me about "test of wills": the band
magellan reminds me, for some reason, of the band "Chicago" (peter cetera
and the gang, you remember them?).......and that is so totally not meant
as a flame, because i LIKED the song sin which i was reminded of
chicago....
maybe it's the trombone, which adds an element usually never head in
prog.......in any case, the inclusion of the brass is pretty cool, and so
is test of wills as a whole......and i still can't believe i had an album
nearly a week before it was released!!!!!!!!!! damn, i may have to hold
on to it just because of that......
where ya at, Jeff Keifling?
partha
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 14:09:50 -0500
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: cd running times
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970507190950.0073de1c@mail.inlink.com>
does anyone know the maximum length a cd can run? i've heard tales of some
that run over 80 minutes.. the longest i own that i'm aware of is 79.
juzz curious.
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 12:53:17 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: cd running times
Message-ID: <199705071953.MAA11016@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" said:
>does anyone know the maximum length a cd can run? i've heard tales of some
>that run over 80 minutes.. the longest i own that i'm aware of is 79.
>juzz curious.
> ~Rip
For you RIP, a CD can have any length...
There are tales of 80 minutes CD's... I've seen 79 minutes CD's...
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 16:20:27 EDT From: edwilk@juno.com (Edward J Wilk) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Part VIII of aPSoG Message-ID: <19970507.161851.9854.0.EdWilk@juno.com>
"What is that crazy crowd chanting?", you've been asking? Well, I've already told a bunch of peopl over on #ytsejam. It was actually recorded at a Dream Theater show.. They're saying "Please Don't Go!" (in reference to the best version of aCoS, obviously). Don't believe me? Go listen to it!
Ytse-Ed Ed-San or Musashi on IRC
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 16:52:51 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: cd running times Message-ID: <3370EBA3.2607@caribe.net>
Dr. Mosh wrote: > > On the Eve of Destruction, "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" said: > >does anyone know the maximum length a cd can run? i've heard tales of some > >that run over 80 minutes.. the longest i own that i'm aware of is 79. > >juzz curious. > > ~Rip > > For you RIP, a CD can have any length... > > There are tales of 80 minutes CD's... I've seen 79 minutes CD's... > > -The Doc
i once asked a friend of mine who studies something or other about diigtal recording.. and he said you cant put whatever you want.. but after 75 or so minutes the sound quality starts to decrease becasuse they have to compress sound more.. something like that.
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:56:09 -0500 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?FUNDACI=D3N_TECNOS?=" <tecnos@anditel.andinet.lat.net> To: "D.T. Fans" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Majesty Demos Message-ID: <199705072254.PAA12349@anditel.andinet.lat.net>
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:04:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: moocow fact & guitar talkin Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970507170340.8113B-100000@unix17.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Wed, 7 May 1997, Rip, Cow Virtuoso wrote: > vacca. so now everytime you hear that word, think of cows and how they > rule. later :) > > ~Rip > > They also taste mighty good with barbecue sauce.
-maximilian
Anton Max MadMax+@cmu.edu http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 17:54:15 -0700 From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@alliance.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT, Yes, Rush, and Magellan thangs. Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970507175412.00688024@mail.alliance.net>
Sorry for the blatant NDTC here, but I figured I should share this news with the list, because there's at least a few Yes fans here. I swear, there's DTC in this message, so don't automatically jam on that page down button. :)
Straight from Yes Magazine:
"The Rick Wakeman Communication Center is reportedly announcing an official statement from Rick that he has indeed left Yes.
While saddened by this news, we are optimistic about Yes' future.
More news to come."
I'm guessing that many are wondering who could be taking his place. There have been rumours kicked around that Geoff Downes (currently with Asia) and Pat Moraz (currently on a solo tour), both former members of Yes, have been contacted about taking Rick's place.
In other news, linking Yes with DT (told ya there'd be DTC) an MP3 file of The Yes Medley (with special guest Steve Howe) from the Ronnie Scott's gig has just been put up at http://yesoteric.southside.org/. While you're there, feel free to download other rare/bootleg Yes and Yes-related MP3s from the Yesoteric archive.
And for one more Yes-bit, a reply.
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Hmm, why would Magellan be stabbing at Yes when they're fans and contributed their cover of "Don't Kill The Whale" to the Yes tribute album, Tales From Yesterday?
Anyway, if they're stabbing Yes, they're inadvertantly stabbing Rush, which they sampled at the beginning of the song. Rush were very influenced by Yes and it definitely shows from Geddy's growly Rickenbacker tone. Also, Ged has gone on record saying that Yes bassist, Chris Squire, was his earliest sonic influence.
Wow, I rambled far too long. I go now.
Jeremy Hyde - tempus@alliance.net
"Weather forecast for tonight: dark." -George Carlin
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 07:24:47 +0100 From: Andrew Garner <agarner@netcomuk.co.uk> To: "9600597@sol.tilehill.ac.uk" <9600597@sol.tilehill.ac.uk>, Subject: HI Message-ID: <3362F12F.6BFC@netcomuk.co.uk>
HI
Test
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 20:33:21 -0400 (EDT) From: XFILE11971@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: remove Message-ID: <970507203007_-130955984@emout08.mail.aol.com>
take me off mailing list
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 21:39:13 EDT From: edwilk@juno.com (Edward J Wilk) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Angra Message-ID: <19970507.213729.9846.0.EdWilk@juno.com>
Hey all,
I came into a little money recently, and I want to purchase Angra's Holy Land. Someone (I forget whom) played the title song over iParty, and I was blown away. Anyhow, I'd like suggestions as to who I should order from (in regards to the lowest prices). If someone could get buy me a copy and send it to me, I'd pay for postage. That would probably be cheaper, also. I'm also willing to buy it used (as long as the CD doesn't skip). Thanks, all..
Ytse-Ed Ed-San or Musashi on IRC
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 19:26:34 -0700 From: Mark Hatch-Miller <ace@onfire.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RUSH! Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970507191925.00691f2c@onfire.net>
RUSH IS TOMMOROW NIGHT!! WOO HOO!! MY FIRST RUSH CONCERT!! Wish me luck everyone so maybe i can catch a pick or drumstick or sumpthin.
MARK (CYGNUS)
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Mark Hatch-Miller, ace@onfire.net
"He's noble enough to know whats right but weak enough not to choose it He's wise enough to win the world but fool enough to lose it"-
Rush, "New World Man"
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 23:25:51 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT solos Message-ID: <01IILT4TC2DE00ELXK@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
I'm responding to something that was mentioned about a week ago, because I just can't catch up on my jams w/finals around the corner.
When I listen to DT, I'm listening to emotion and power. Those things aren't mutually exclusive with lyrics, but a lot of the solos, in my opinion, are drawn out and barren of emotion. Sure, it's impressive. 20something notes a second, great, great. And I'm not being sarcastic. They're pretty cool, those solos. But they're also somewhat interchangable. The PERFECT example of this is Metropolis. Here you have this moving, powerful song, and all of a sudden, there's a 5 minute talent exhibition right in the middle. Why? Put it on a demo tape or something, and replace the space with more substance.
I don't want the solo extinct, it has it's place, *but*. It gets so I just end up tuning out the song.
And I'll tell ya, if there's gonna be any exposure for the new album, you can look forward to those solo-less radio versions. I just hope there's still plenty of song left when the butchers, um, editors, are done.
josh rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 20:39:00 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mercury Rising "Upon Deaf Ears" Message-ID: <33714AD4.CE9@goodnet.com>
Has anybody bought and received this yet? Knights of the Round has it for 12.99, and it sounds pretty good from the sound samples...
~Mike
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 21:22:50 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Angra / Symphony X Message-ID: <3371551A.7783@goodnet.com>
Knights of the Round has the following Angra CDs: Angels Cry $21.99 Evil Warning (Japanese) $18.99 Freedom Call (German Version) $19.99 Freedom Call (Jap) $48.99 <- Yow! Holy Land $22.99 Holy Land (2 CD Germany) $30.99 Holy Land + 1 (Jap Import) $27.99
Can anybody out there give me a description of what the differences on each of these are (like between the different versions of Holy Land) or point me to a web page that has the complete discography...
Also, is there a difference between the German and Japanese version of Symphony X's "Divine Wings of Tragedy"?
Email me directly at mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com
Thanks! -- ~Michael Kizer (Tucson, AZ) -- mkizer@goodnet.com URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Fates Warning (Island In The Stream) / Dream Theater ("Unofficial" Song Book) "Close our eyes a while as the morning shadows play And listen to the rain wash the long night away Face to face we'll awake to see another day And with hope in our hearts, embrace this shade of gray This pleasant shade of gray..." - A Pleasant Shade Of Gray (Fates Warning)
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