YTSEJAM Digest 2537
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Mercury Rising "Upon Deaf Ears"
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
2) the DT difference.
by Rachmeistr@aol.com
3) HI?
by Andrew Garner <agarner@netcomuk.co.uk>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2536
by "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
5) CD lengths
by "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
6) Beef Flavored Top Ramen Noodling
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
7) Dan Patrick
by Longshot@upn20email.com
8) fwd: The New Megadeth Album
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
9) RE: DT, Yes, Rush, and Magellan thangs.
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
10) Re: chanting in VIII on APSoG
by breitweg@fusebox.hanse.de (Jason T. Breitweg)
11) Re: DT, Yes, Rush, and Magellan thangs.
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
12) Some random musings...
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
13) Chart topper.....
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
14) BeebooBahbooBeeBeeBeep.
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
15) Re: Angra
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
16) Re: Angra / Symphony X
by marioo@plugnet.plugnet.com.br (Mario)
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 21:51:42 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mercury Rising "Upon Deaf Ears"
Message-ID: <199705080451.VAA14816@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Michael Kizer said:
>Has anybody bought and received this yet? Knights of the Round has it
>for 12.99, and it sounds pretty good from the sound samples...
>
>~Mike
Yes, I have this album... it's sorta progressive at times, but it's mostly
power metal... It's War is an awesome headbanging song...
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 01:33:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Rachmeistr@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the DT difference. Message-ID: <970508013357_1652431986@emout19.mail.aol.com>
Just a quick interjection then back to quietly observing. I have seen lots of comments on other prog bands and the like and generally speaking the comments all center around the playing and technical aspects. But to my ears the real defining aspect of DT's music is that it is brimming over with really memorable melody. That is a real rarity these days trust me. I manage a music superstore so I hear just about everything. A musician can be taught but a tunesmith is born. Simple as that. Blaine
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 06:42:02 +0100 From: Andrew Garner <agarner@netcomuk.co.uk> To: "9600597@sol.tilehill.ac.uk" <9600597@sol.tilehill.ac.uk>, Subject: HI? Message-ID: <337167AA.76AB@netcomuk.co.uk>
If any of you have received a weird 'test' message from me I apologise. My Netscape e-mail has developed some serious problems leading to it crashing most times. I have tried writing to you all in the past few days but this mail thing just seems to screw them all up.
So sorry again for all the inconvenience caused, especially to those who have not heard from me before. I will be using another e-mail package from now on which I gather is more reliable.
Andrew Garner
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 01:02:15 +0000 From: "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2536 Message-ID: <199705080604.BAA27917@Walden.MO.NET>
> maybe it's the trombone, which adds an element usually never head in >prog....... Damn straight! Trombones RULE!!!!!!
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 01:04:40 +0000 From: "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CD lengths Message-ID: <199705080606.BAA01170@Walden.MO.NET>
The latest Saviour Machine runs around 78 min., and Iona's latest release (Journey Into the Morn) runs about the same, and they both sound EXCELLENT, quality-wise.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 00:06:25 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Beef Flavored Top Ramen Noodling Message-ID: <199705080606.XAA21337@odin.ax.com>
>really memorable melody. That is a real rarity these days trust me. >I manage a music superstore so I hear just about everything. A >musician can be taught but a tunesmith is born. Simple as that.
This is the kind of statement that bugs me, since it brings a bit of doubt into my own writings. Alot of the stuff I write comes from my head, but I don't have the skill to just sit down on a guitar or keyboard and just spout it out. It seems alot of the stuff I write stems from chance or luck. I might just sit down and noodle for a bit and then discover an awesome riff or a perfect bridge to fill a gap in a song I'm writing. I've often wondered what other people's approaches to songwriting are, because mine seems to come from mindless noodling, I'm interested in hearing how other people write since it may be a good technique for me to follow.
I know, I know, I still need to hit those theory books a little harder. :) I'm getting there, but there's gotta be more to it than chord formations... :)
Still building my skyscraper to reach the stars... "Dreams CAN come true as long as you stay awake." KorgX3 a.k.a. Llama-boy ibanez@cyberhighway.net
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Date: 8 May 1997 01:33:40 PDT From: Longshot@upn20email.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dan Patrick Message-ID: <199705080634.XAA21482@odin.ax.com>
Last week on ESPN, Dan Patrick was mentioning Geddy Lee of Rush meeting Randy Johnson of the Mariners when they were playing in Toronto. Dan also mentioned that 2112 was his favorite album. Today I was reading a transcript of a chat session with Dan and someone asked him if he was serious about 2112 being his favorite album. He said that he owns five Rush albums and has gone to three concerts. 2112 is his favorite album and he only has it on vinyl. This was too cool not to mention...
About FW's new album, a note first. Before this album, the only one that I have heard is 'Parallels' and I don't like that album at all. Every time I listen to it, it still sounds like a bad QR clone. I bought the new FW anyway, mainly because of Kevin Moore being on the album and a 55 minute song is cool.
I have made sure that I have listened to the CD many times before I wrote this to make sure I got the right view of this and didn't go off half cocked like a lot of people have. There is a lot of good stuff on this CD. Kevin Moore makes a difference here. Even though he isn't as up front as he was in DT, he is very effective here. I don't know if they would have gotten the right sound without him. I am still not impressed with Ray Alder. He sometimes seems to go a different direction than the band. Actually, he reminds me of Charlie Dominici. Generally, he is OK, but not great. I like parts VI and IX, but I think this album needed to be "cooked" a little more before it is done. I will be keeping this one, though.
Jason Birzer .SIG Under Construction.
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 05:06:49 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: fwd: The New Megadeth Album Message-ID: <19970508.020843.8678.2.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
A review of the new 'Deth album; due June 17.
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To: mega deth <megadeth@anthrax.ecst.csuchico.edu> Subject: The New Album Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 16:52:01 -0400 (EDT)
Well, now seems as good a time as any to post a review of what I've heard of the new album, which is, ahem, all of it. I will go track by track (I took notes).
Trust: Kind of in the Elysian Fields, Angry Again vain, with a cool accoustic classical guitar part in the middle. Starts with a drum intro then builds into the main riff. Very cool.
Almost Honest: Once again, an Angry Again type song, but a little faster, goos song too.
Use The man (Mustaine must have remembered my e-mail name in the diner :)) Starts with some 60s song in the background (like Set The World A Fire) seemingly called Needles and Pins. Accoustic intro, heavy chorus (this is yet another in the seemingly endless supply of drug songs _I've seen the Man use the Needle, Seen the needle use the man, etc). gets fast at the end, reminds me of In My Darkest Hour's ending.
Mastermind: Sounds like older Megadeth, with the Bass intro and all, riff sounds a little like mouth for War, could fit on Peace Sells. Cool riff.
The Disintegrators: Very fast and Heavy, a sister song to just about anything on Rust in Peace - Nuff said.
I'll Get Even: This is the song with the surf type chords in the intro. Maybe the least heavy musically, but you can feel his anger in his voice. Has a cool bridge with almost Beatlesque Chords (see Taxman).
Sin: Another in the Elysian Fields, Angry Again vain, hey of it ain't broke...
A Secret Place _ I happen to like this one. Cool use of a corel sitar on the riff as in GNR's Pretty tied Up. So it's radio friendly, big deal.
Have Cool, Will Travel _ Megadeth is bluesy mode for the first time since I Ain't Superstitious. Has some cool harmonica stuff on it.
She Wolf: Intro riff similar to main riff in Disposable Heroes (repeated muted open lower E string). Cool song, very fast.
Vortex: Cool riff, fast once again.
FFF: Sounds a LOT like Motorbreath, if you like that, you'll like this.
Differences between this album and the last album - no really slow stuff (ie Tout Le Monde - which I also like), similarities - many songs like Elysian Fields tempo.
Biggest difference, return of faster stuff.
Overall: 9 I think it kicks a great deal of ass.
Dave - Looking forward to June 17.
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 03:15:50 +0100 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: DT, Yes, Rush, and Magellan thangs. Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970508021550Z-445@ms.Kallback.com>
>>"The Rick Wakeman Communication Center is reportedly announcing an >official >>statement from Rick that he has indeed left Yes. >>I'm guessing that many are wondering who could be taking his place. >There >>have been rumours kicked around that Geoff Downes ------------------------ Goeff Downes has declined per Progression Magazine.
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:36:15 GMT From: breitweg@fusebox.hanse.de (Jason T. Breitweg) Subject: Re: chanting in VIII on APSoG Message-ID: <ub911ql300.fsf@fusebox.hanse.de>
> Hehhe...I wonder if the crowd will chant on that part as on the > CD during the shows. That'd be cool. That chanting part on the > CD gives me the shivers each time !!
I wouldn't be surprised if they would. Frankly it is kind of cool that crowds over here always like to clap to rythmns (sp?) and chant and such. It is hard to get crowds in America to do that unless you really lead them on *grin*.
> Jason, Kevin: hope to see ya guys at a couple of FW gigs in > Germany ?
I will only be at the Hamburg, Germany show. Gotta save my money to go to see Superior again and also the biig Wacken open air festival. And of course my trip back to America *woo hoo*. See you all later.
Jason -- Jason Breitweg --> breitweg@amzeus.desy.de, jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg, http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe "The Gods Made Heavy Metal And It's Never Gonna Die!" - MANOWAR
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 13:13:01 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT, Yes, Rush, and Magellan thangs. Message-ID: <3371D15D.3F54@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Jeremy
> There have been rumours kicked around that Geoff Downes (currently > with Asia) and Pat Moraz (currently on a solo tour), both former > members of Yes, have been contacted about taking Rick's place.
Patrick would be my first choice.
> Also, Ged has gone on record saying that Yes bassist, Chris Squire, > was his earliest sonic influence.
Didn't Patrick play on Squire's Fish Out Of Water? Time for the bicentennial dusting off of the vinyl :)
> From: XFILE11971@aol.com > take me off mailing list
It's a wonder I can still breathe :)
Regards,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
"The credibility gap is taken care of by the gullibility fill"
Andy Capp
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 09:43:23 -0400 From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Some random musings... Message-ID: <199705081343.AA11791@gateway.prudential.com>
Hello, Well, after cracking the top ten MFPs last month, I decided to take the first week of this month off. But I'm back! Before continuing, I must tell you the people at the NJSEA got back to me and said they were the "racetrack" people, not the "stadium" people. They kindly gave me a mailing address for the latter, but no e-mail, so I have revised my sig. Also: if anyone finds thenself with an extra Queensryche or Rush ticket for PNC, Camden, or Jones Beach let me know. I will be happy to take it off your hands at a reasonable price. Emphasis on reasonable. ALBUM OF THE MONTH: All you fans of ambient guitar, go out and get Pat Metheny's latest "Beyond the Missouri Sky". It's IMHO his best since Secret Story. It's a beautiful duet album with him on acoustic and Charlie Haden on bass. Great for reading along with. Not jams, books. You all remember those, with the paper and ink...:) Thanks to all for the KTS info. Hopefully my boots are on the way at the right price! I may just have to order a few more...:) Anyone up for doing some trades, I'm just starting out, so let me know! Two weeks until Prunella Scales! Only another month until Megadeth! Later fellas! -- _____________________________________________________________ Andrew Forcier a.k.a. Buck Stodgers --List Manager-- The Peppermint Tribe, the Saigon Kick Mailing List For info, check out: http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rfm5570/ for e-mail inquiries, mailto:andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com ************************************************************* To contact the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority to protest the banning of OZZFEST particpant bands, write to: Public Affairs NJ Sports and Exposition Authority Rt. 3 and 120 East Rutherford, NJ 07073
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:09:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Chart topper..... Message-ID: <199705081408.HAA24613@odin.ax.com>
I was reading the Aquarian (yes, I can read), which has a pretty cool interview with Rollins, and I was looking at the "CMJ (?) Hard Rock Charts" or something like that.... Debuting at #9.........APSoG.......very cool to see a prog band up there (QR I think may have been there as well) in a mag filled with more alternative-type/indie/punk stuff...
Another funny thing I saw was an ad looking for a guitarist. It went something like - looking for a guitarist in the vein of blah, blah, blah....WE ARE NOT A QUEENSRYCHE, DREAM THEATRE BAND< SO DON'T EVEN BOTHER!........no shredders............. pretty funny stuff...........
Another note for people who may be interested......Drain STH, those Swedish chicks who kick some serious nadz, are going to be at Club Bene TONIGHT in Sayreville, NJ......they're opening for Sister Machine Gun, who played at my alma mater two weekends ago (and were pretty damn boring)....... I always find out about these shows too late........:(
-Al
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:33:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: BeebooBahbooBeeBeeBeep. Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970508093633.28269A-100000@enteract.com>
> ummm, maybe they threw that song by that other Superior on there?
Bernd already said there's no extra song on any Superior album. They'd have to record it before they could sneak it on a special edition release of the cd. APSoG (Ass Pog!) isn't the kind of album that would benefit from an extra song, unless they added a movement to the song or something. I doubt this exists, and we've heard from no one who's seen or heard any 13th song on this album. You'd think that if someone found that, by now they'd be flipping out and raving about it on the jam. Just my 2 pesos.
> -C#
Way to quote an entire post just to write a short response.
> Yeah it would be cool but I still don't think there's much of a chance.
Agreed.
> Cool CD of the day: T-Ride "T-Ride"
Agreed. :)
> From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> > Subject: moocow fact & guitar talkin
It took some guts to post that moocow fact, with all the floccinaucinihilipippification going on here. However, if this has become your new regular "end of post" thang, I'm gonna give a lecture on ebola.
> They also taste mighty good with barbecue sauce.
Amen brutha!
> From: XFILE11971@aol.com > Subject: remove
> take me off mailing list
Go suck goat. Take off clothes, dance for Skadz. Beg, plead. Then maybe we take you off mailing list. SSSSSSsssssuffer. :)
Wouldn't it be neat if the entire jam got together and retaliated for these annoying posts by having each jammer send an e-mail to the offender with the unsubscription information? 900+ of them? I think that'd be humorous, anyways... but I'm a tad juvenile...
> The PERFECT example of this is Metropolis. Here you have this moving, > powerful song, and all of a sudden, there's a 5 minute talent exhibition > right in the middle. Why? Put it on a demo tape or something, and replace > the space with more substance. > I don't want the solo extinct, it has it's place, *but*. It gets so I > just end up tuning out the song.
Well, I think you're missing the point if that's what you think about those winding musical passages. If you can't appreciate them as part of the song, and consider them to be a "Talent Exhibition" then perhaps it's just not the thing for you. When I listen to those parts, it's clear to me that it's not just a shredfest, or guitar wank-off. I think it takes some realistic degree of exposure to that kind overdone guitar shred before one can really tell the difference. For the rest of our sakes, I certainly hope DT continues to make lots of cds that have long parts that you will contintue to have to fast forward through. :) > From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> > Subject: Angra / Symphony X
Hmmm... Serious Deja Vu here... Did you send that exact same message before, or did someone else send a message that looked a lot like it about a month ago? I even recall responding to it. Dunno if it was the EXACT same thing, but I totally think I saw that message before. Maybe the whole world is populated entirely by alien Luke Perry clones, and I'm the only human left... and ya tried to trick me, but HA! You slipped up one last time! I'm gonna catch the next rocket off this planet!
- Chris Ptacek: A.K.A. root on #ytsejam
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:44:43 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Angra Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970508134103.9813B-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Wed, 7 May 1997, Edward J Wilk wrote:
> Hey all, > > I came into a little money recently, and I want to purchase > Angra's Holy Land. Someone (I forget whom) played the title song over > iParty, and I was blown away. Anyhow, I'd like suggestions as to who I > should order from (in regards to the lowest prices). If someone could > get buy me a copy and send it to me, I'd pay for postage. That would > probably be cheaper, also. I'm also willing to buy it used (as long as > the CD doesn't skip). Thanks, all..
Well, I have already replied to Edward personally, but I think that more of you would like to know: if you like Angra, maybe you should hear the previous work done by Andre' Matos's with his former band Viper. It is along the same lines as Angels Cry (melodic heavy metal) and the CD "Theatre of Fate" is simply incredible. I don't think it is easy to find out there in the US, since it is hard to find even here in Brazil, but if you'd like to hear, I'd like to set up a trade for any Dream Theater material.
Please reply to rbrito@ime.usp.br if interested and check my bootleg homepage too:
<http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html>.
Hope to hear from you soon, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 14:02:56 -0300 From: marioo@plugnet.plugnet.com.br (Mario) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Angra / Symphony X Message-ID: <199705081702.OAA25874@plugnet>
Hello
>Knights of the Round has the following Angra CDs: >Angels Cry $21.99=20 >Evil Warning (Japanese) $18.99=20 >Freedom Call (German Version) $19.99=20 >Freedom Call (Jap) $48.99 <- Yow! >Holy Land $22.99=20 >Holy Land (2 CD Germany) $30.99=20 >Holy Land + 1 (Jap Import) $27.99 > >Can anybody out there give me a description of what the differences on >each of these are (like between the different versions of Holy Land) or >point me to a web page that has the complete discography... >
The japanese version of Holy Land contains a bonus track,"Queen Of The= Night".The German 2 cds version contains the japanese bonus track,"Queen Of= The Night",and an EP with acoustic versions of "Angels Cry","Chega de= Saudade" and "Never Understand".I don't know what is the difference between= "Freedom Call" German and Japanese."Evil Warning" is an EP with different= versions of songs from their first album,"Angels Cry". Sorry for my poor English.....
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