YTSEJAM Digest 2538
Today's Topics:
1) CD time & Rush
by Mathieu Ferland <ferlandm@ift.ulaval.ca>
2) Drums
by "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?FUNDACI=D3N_TECNOS?=" <tecnos@anditel.andinet.lat.net>
3) YTSEJAM digest 2534
by <09422587@mail3.dlsu.edu.ph>
4) Symphony X - Divine... versions
by Steffen Barabasch <sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
5) Price of new Ibanez 7-string
by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
6) Drum part to Megadeth's "Trust"
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
7) Seeking DT news.
by Matthew P Robbins <robbins@aero.und.edu>
8) Ducks are Cooked (actually: Mercury Rising)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
9) Stuff
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
10) [Fwd: Chicago Police [joke]
by Scott Cook <skooc@italy-c.it.earthlink.net>
11) Re: Stuff (cd length)
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
12) Rush at Shoreline
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
13)
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2536
by MTeiper@aol.com
15) Your First Fates... Where to Start
by MTeiper@aol.com
16) Re: Stuff (cd length)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
17) Enchant: Phunkee Kuul
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K. Silverman)
18) Magellan = Live Drummer + Old Magellan
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2535
by MTeiper@aol.com
20) Re: Stuff (cd length)
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
21) Re: Stuff (cd length)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
22) New DT disc release date pushed back to '98??
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:20:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mathieu Ferland <ferlandm@ift.ulaval.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CD time & Rush
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9705081256.A22416-0100000@weber.ift.ulaval.ca>
The "official" running time of an audio CD is 74 minutes. In this
condition, your CD is recorded 44 kHz, stereo and I think 16 bit per
sampling. With more that 74 minutes, you have to cut in very high
frequency or in undesired noise.
Concerning Rush, I want to know if some people will be at the Montreal
show. Anyway, I'm in the fourth row, with maybe a DT T-shirt.
You surely hear me when they'll play Natural Science...
Ferls
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 12:37:56 -0500
From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?FUNDACI=D3N_TECNOS?=" <tecnos@anditel.andinet.lat.net>
To: "D.T. Fans" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Drums
Message-ID: <199705081935.MAA28765@anditel.andinet.lat.net>
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Hi everybody, I'm looking for the scores, for drums, of Metropolis, if
anybody knows where can I find them......., if anybody is sinterested in
the scores, for drums, of 6:00 and Scarred I have them....
Thanx
The man beside myself.
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Date: Wed, 7 May 97 16:36:03 GMT+8
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Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2534
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 19:09:04 +0100
From: Steffen Barabasch <sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Symphony X - Divine... versions
Message-ID: <yam7067.236.1461952152@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Hi!
There shouldn't be any difference, but I'll check that out.
Steffen
-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steffen Barabasch - THE MIRROR TheMirror@westend.com Deutscher Dream Theater Fanclub http://www.westend.com/TheMirror -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 15:37:53 -0400 From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Price of new Ibanez 7-string Message-ID: <199705081939.PAA20710@zork.tiac.net>
Hey guys,
Just got the new Guitar World catalog and it has the RG 7string for $999 with a list price of $1299, not much better than just buying a used Universe. A Universe will also get you the cooler finish and Dimarzio pickups...
Adam
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 14:19:18 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Drum part to Megadeth's "Trust" Message-ID: <199705082119.OAA28726@jamaica.u.arizona.edu>
At 10:15 AM 5/8/97 -0700, so let it be written, so let it be done: >Trust: Kind of in the Elysian Fields, Angry Again vain, with a cool >accoustic classical guitar part in the middle. Starts with a drum intro >then builds into the main riff. Very cool.
Anyone notice that the drum parts to this song are exactly like Enter Sandman?! My drummer and I were in the car last night when "Trust" came on the radio, and he pointed it out to me. Same 2 or 3 tom riff in the beginning and the verse drum riff is also identical to the ES verse drum riff. Maybe Nick decided that if it worked sooo well for Lars' career........Jus' an observation. :)
Peace and love and good happiness stuff,
~Vince
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6933
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 16:56:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Matthew P Robbins <robbins@aero.und.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Seeking DT news. Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.90.970508165231.51636A-100000@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu>
Hey eveybody. I just got back after being displaced for three weeks due to a severe flood in my area. As you might imagine, there were a TON of jams in the box. I just don't have the time to read them ALL. If I missed any cool DT news in that time, I'd REALLY apperciate anyone filling me in on it over private E-mail. Thanks in advance,
Matt
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 17:11:59 -0700 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ducks are Cooked (actually: Mercury Rising) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970509001159.0069f814@pop.pipeline.com>
I have the Mercury Rising cd, and I would compare it to Toxik at times, especially vocally. He also sounds a little bit like Bruce Dickinson on the first song or two, but Toxik keeps coming back to me....if you are expecting Dream Theater II or any super prog effort like that; forget it. It's mostly fairly technical metal.
The mercury sure is rising on those "mighty" ducks....
GO WINGS!
Kevin
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Date: Thu, 8 May 97 19:50 EDT From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Stuff Message-ID: <m0wPcwk-0006TxC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
New Flotsam And Jetsam- June 3rd- what the ----, I thought it was May 20th. I can't wait much longer. Does anyone know what this one will sound like. Same goes for the new Bruce Dickinson. These are the two highly anticipated CDs of the moment for me.
Cd Running Times- the longest CD I've ever had was 77:37. Wish they could make 90 minute CDs without losing sound quality- ah, well.
Don mcauburn@iinc.com http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784 ...so many times, I tried and failed to gather my courage reach again for that nail, life's been like dragging feet through sand and never finding the promised land.... Queensryche- Promised Land
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 17:46:05 -0700 From: Scott Cook <skooc@italy-c.it.earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: [Fwd: Chicago Police [joke] Message-ID: <337273CD.35C6@mail.earthlink.net>
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
> How many Chicago Police officers does it take to push a suspect > down the stairs?
> Zero, he fell!
:-)
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 20:57:22 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Stuff (cd length) Message-ID: <19970508.175908.8686.0.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> writes:
>Cd Running Times- the longest CD I've ever had was 77:37. Wish they >could make 90 minute CDs without losing sound quality- ah, well.
Well, when the recordable DVD decks come out you'll be able to record your own CD's and thy'll fit up to :140 plus the sound is better than CD anyway. The drawback is that it's a different system than regular CD so you won't be able to listen to them on your discman or in the car, but at home it'll be awesome.
Scott
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Date: Thu, 8 May 97 18:34:41 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush at Shoreline Message-ID: <9705090134.AA01791@tengs1>
I'm sure a few of us BA 'jammers will be at the Shoreline show this Sunday. We will know each other by our clothes !^)> Personally, I'll be 6'2", ~225, shaved head, goatee, wearing black and black DT sweatshirt/shirt (Jason Giles) and Ray-Bans (prob. drinking a beer, maybe smoking). Don't be afraid to say hi. Additionally, I'm 90% sure that I and some of my friends will be at Una Mas in Mountain View an hour or hour and a half before the show (the one just south of 85 on El Camino).
Zach
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 21:44:53 -0400 From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk) To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <v01540b00af9830a5b2a7@[128.197.8.33]>
I got _Precious Things_ today. I didn't know I was among "the most dedicated Dream Theater fans in the world." I think I got kicked off the Kiss list today. The reason (get ready for this): my postal address is in my signature file. They were afraid I would get mail bombed and someone would sue the list owner. Now Skadberg has a good excuse to get rid of me. The only problem would be the vacancy of the YtseAsshole of the Month/Year/Millenium post. Now, if Mr. Skadberg removes me from the list, be sure not to send a mail bomb to the address below. I won't even be there anymore, but Boston University might sue your list owner. You wouldn't want that, would you?
Jeff Falk Box 3208 700 Commonwealth Avenue Boston, Massachusetts 02215 (617) 352-8639 jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 22:02:27 -0400 (EDT) From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2536 Message-ID: <970508220056_269093751@emout07.mail.aol.com>
Yeah!!!
New Flots on June 3!!! I can't wait! IMHO, they are one of the most underrated true metal bands around today! (Second only to maybe OverKill, which I am happy to say, are generating a little buzz on the Jam thanx to me mentioning them! :-) )
Cheerz... Matt T.
Soon to be playing as soon as I'm done typing this... Flotsam & Jetsam "Cuatro"! "Secret Square" rox my world every time!!!
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 22:37:34 -0400 (EDT) From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Your First Fates... Where to Start Message-ID: <970508223527_777391776@emout12.mail.aol.com>
Hey Jammerz -
Sorry for my third post tonite (a new record for me!) but I was just sitting here thinking about Fates. When the Jam was loaded with APSoG praises, a few of you asked what would be the best CD to start your Fates collection with. Many mentioned "Perfect Symmetry"... some mentioned others. I feel that every album, from their classic "Night On Brocken" to their load-blowing "APSoG", are each masterpieces in their own right. IMHO, EVERY album should be purchased eventually! :-)
But, I think that if anyone were to start with a Fates CD, start with their compilation: "Chasing Time". Not many people mentioned to start with this, but I think that the band's style has changed pretty dramatically over the years. Some people would prefer the older, heavier stuff, while others would prefer the newer, proggier (is that a word?) stuff. The compilation would give the novice listener a decent taste of Fates at every stage in their career, and they can choose which album to get after that. I think that the selected cuts on "Chasing Time" do a fairly decent job in representing the tone and sound of each album. Of course, many noteworthy tracks simply could not be included due to time constraints (kinda hard to put a 23 minute epic on a single CD compilation, eh?), but the beauty of this disc is that it's not totally a "Greatest Hits" per se, but rather a nice collection of the "staples" along with some great rarely heard (by non-fans, at least) nuggets.
In conclusion, I would like to stress STRONGLY that each album is required listening. The compilation should just let you prioritize them. :-)
Much love to all... Matt T.
Gotta go celebrate... the Rangers just beat the Devils to go up 3 games to 1!
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 00:04:42 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Stuff (cd length) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970509000121.11315B-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Thu, 8 May 1997, Scott Cook wrote:
> Well, when the recordable DVD decks come out you'll be able to > record your own CD's and thy'll fit up to :140 plus the sound is > better than CD anyway. The drawback is that it's a different
Well, from what I have heard, the sound will be compressed (with losses) and this means that the sound can be worse than the CD sound. But other factors such as frequency of samples could be much higher (I have heard things such as 96kHz) that they will avoid hiss and so on.
But the video DVDs will definitely be lossy compressed.
> system than regular CD so you won't be able to listen to them on > your discman or in the car, but at home it'll be awesome.
Well, I have also heard that portable DVDs will also be available pretty soon. And will play regular CDs.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 00:09:20 PST From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K. Silverman) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Enchant: Phunkee Kuul Message-ID: <19970509.002452.10022.2.nishiki@juno.com>
Well, I picked up Blueprint of the World because Rokkin' Rikk said it resembled Mr. So & So, but I would be inclined to compare them more to Kansas. . .comments???
Rikkk, where did you hear that MSS had a new label?
DJKA
PS Does this new Magellan actually have a live drummer??? I might have to hear it!
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 01:04:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: "Aaron K. Silverman" <nishiki@juno.com> Subject: Magellan = Live Drummer + Old Magellan Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970509010400.5168B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> PS Does this new Magellan actually have a live drummer??? I might have > to hear it!
yep. the drummer's name is brad kaiser.
* * * * * * * e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania!: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/ offical lemur voice homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
(c) 1997 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 01:19:32 -0400 (EDT) From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2535 Message-ID: <970508213955_-164394146@emout05.mail.aol.com>
Hey!
"Inverse Vortex Of Chaos"... hmmm... kinda like my golf swing!!! :-)
Laterz... Matt T.
P.S. - "FORE!!!!!!!"
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 01:23:21 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Stuff (cd length) Message-ID: <19970508.222554.8686.3.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>Well, from what I have heard, the sound will be compressed >(with losses) and this means that the sound can be worse >than the CD sound.
To be totally honest I don't have a clue about compressions & all that stuff, I was just relaying what the guy at the Laserdisc store I go to said.
>But the video DVDs will definitely be lossy compressed.
Excuse my ignorance, does this mean the video is worse? Because that I know isn't accurate because the quality of a DVD even surpasses a Laserdisc.
>> system than regular CD so you won't be able to listen to them on >> your discman or in the car, but at home it'll be awesome. > >Well, I have also heard that portable DVDs will also be >available
This is good news! I'll have to see if I can find out about those.
Scott >pretty soon. And will play regular CDs. > > []s, Roger... > >-- >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito > Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" > Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html > "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" > James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > >
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 02:54:33 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Stuff (cd length) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970509024451.11716A-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Thu, 8 May 1997, Scott Cook wrote:
> >Well, from what I have heard, the sound will be compressed > >(with losses) and this means that the sound can be worse > >than the CD sound. > > To be totally honest I don't have a clue about compressions & > all that stuff, I was just relaying what the guy at the Laserdisc > store I go to said.
Well, have you heard an MP3 file? They are lossy compressed. Minidiscs use compression too (and Sony actually admits that MDs have poorer sound quality than CDs, for instance, since it uses 5:1 compression, opposed to the dead DCC, that used 4:1). I have not heard what a MD and what a DCC sound like, but I have heard compressed sounds (do you know that the majority of our CDs pass thru a compression of dynamic range? this means that the very, very soft sounds are cut and the very, very loud sounds have their volume lowered).
> >But the video DVDs will definitely be lossy compressed. > > Excuse my ignorance, does this mean the video is worse? Because
It depends on the compression rate that they will use. As I said earlier, just saying that something is lossy compressed don't mean that it will necessarily be worse. Just see an JPEG picture compressed with different levels of compression: you'll note some pixelization (excuse my poor English, but I don't know the correct word). Oh, and those MPEG animations use lossy compression too. :-(
> that I know isn't accurate because the quality of a DVD even surpasses > a Laserdisc.
I have heard this too.
> >> system than regular CD so you won't be able to listen to them on > >> your discman or in the car, but at home it'll be awesome. > > > >Well, I have also heard that portable DVDs will also be > >available > > This is good news! I'll have to see if I can find out about those.
If I'm not mistaken Toshiba sells the specifications of the DVD standards and they have already manufactured some prototypes of DVD-video machines. They have put a FAQ at their site (I think I have put a link in my homepage: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bookmarks.html).
Just to add some Dream Theater Content, do any of you know where to find MP3 files with the new songs? I'm dying to hear to them.
Thanks in advance, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 03:15:12 -0600 From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New DT disc release date pushed back to '98?? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970509031512.0068cc84@autobahn.mb.ca>
I have a buddy who works at an HMV here, and I asked him about 3 or 4 months ago when the new DT disc was due out. After he spoke to the Warner rep, he told me the album was due in summer of this year. Upon asking again, he and I have now learned, according to the local Warner rep, that it probably won't be out until at least December and possibly into early 1998. January or maybe even February, to be specific. And, at the time I found out, the band had yet to begin laying down tracks. Needless to say, I was appalled. Not with DT, but with their label, when I learned they were behind the delay. Sorry if this is old news to anyone. I've been out of the loop for a while, having just re-joined the list after a lengthy abscence. I still can't believe the delay. However, knowing Dream Theater, the wait will be worth it. We won't be disappointed. Eric
BTW...any Savatage, DT or Randy Rhoads fans - please send e-mail.
<Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive?>
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