YTSEJAM Digest 2539
Today's Topics:
1) YTSEJAM digest 2525
by <09422587@mail3.dlsu.edu.ph>
2) CD times...
by Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
3) rush remasters
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2538
by Insydeout@aol.com
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2538
by Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
6) Re: you First Fates... Where to Start
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
7) DVDs
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
8) QUIT!
by Brian <bpick@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
9) "Intelligent" Rock
by "Donald Dintaman" <Donald.Dintaman@nmb.norwest.com>
10) i saw APSOG IN CANADA
by richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
11) compression (ndtc)
by m_washke@acad.lvc.edu (Michael Washkevich)
12) YTSEJAM digest 2530
by <09422587@mail3.dlsu.edu.ph>
13) CD lengths, DVD machines
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2538
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
15) Inaccurate information control
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
16) Re: compression (ndtc)
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2538
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
18) Re: CD times...
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
19) Re: DVDs
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
20) Re: CD lengths, DVD machines
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
21)
by luciano poggio <lpoggio@sicoar.com>
22) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2538
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
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Date: Mon, 5 May 97 12:22:19 GMT+8
From: <09422587@mail3.dlsu.edu.ph>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2525
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 03:47:40 -0700
From: Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CD times...
Message-ID: <v03007802af98b0e7e80e@[128.32.100.59]>
So far the longest CD I have found to date is Metallica's "Load" album,
clocking in at 78:59, and all of it sounds just fine. Then again maybe I
just can't here the degredation of sound from the frequency levels, but why
would you want to anyway?
-Shane
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 04:56:05 +0100
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: rush remasters
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970509035605Z-1107@ms.Kallback.com>
This sucks. Literally weeks after I complete my Rush collection on cd,
they come out with the remasters!
Was it just my cd store, or did everyplace price 2112 higher? Do you
think they did it because they knew it would sell the most?
2112 was $15.85 and all the rest were $11.85.
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 08:41:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Insydeout@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2538
Message-ID: <970509083820_1786050773@emout01.mail.aol.com>
Can anyone tell me which chains carry the FW album. Can't seem to find it. I
am in the New Haven area, CT
thanx
Deb
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 08:58:23 -0500
From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2538
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970509135823.006b1548@enteract.com>
>Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 00:04:42 -0300 (EST)
>From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
>On Thu, 8 May 1997, Scott Cook wrote:
>
>> Well, when the recordable DVD decks come out you'll be able to
>> record your own CD's and thy'll fit up to :140 plus the sound is
>> better than CD anyway. The drawback is that it's a different
A few facts on DVD...
First, the reason why DVD's can hold so much stuff on them is because more
data is written *on* the disc. The spacing between data lines (the
stripe-looking things on CDs) is halved (at least), and a different colored
laser is used, making the laser thin enough to read separate tracks. Also,
for at least movie purposes (maybe music, too) DVDs will be double sided.
How?? Well, all the labeling is on the center ring. I was visiting the Sony
store in downtown Chicago, where they have a DVD theater set up, and it
certainly kicked *my* ass. :) It was really kewel...they had a DVD with
Batman Forever on it...one side was the letterbox version, one side was the
full-screen version, and both had subtitles in at least 4 languages. Now
*that's* storage!!
DVDs are able to read all standard CDs, but NOT CD-Rs with the green
pigment. Seems the laser can't handle it well. But supposedly manufacturers
will be making units with two lasers, one to read standard DVDs, and one to
read everything else.
Hope this makes some sense!! Oh, and some Blockbuster videos now rent DVD
machines...go check it out!!
-Maddy
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:53:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: you First Fates... Where to Start
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970509094817.7951A-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
> From: Matt T.
>
> In conclusion, I would like to stress STRONGLY that each album is required
> listening. The compilation should just let you prioritize them. :-)
I'll second that. Chasing Time is where I started, and it was
good that I learned about their various eras right from the start.
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 11:04:08 -0400
From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DVDs
Message-ID: <199705091503.AA06427@gateway.prudential.com>
Hello,
An interesting disussion topic, this is! I'm a subscriber to Video
magazine and these guys have at least one big article every month about
DVD. They all say the same thing: it's better than LD by far, but the
tracking technology needs work on most machines. Tracking is how the
machine samples one image from the disc over and over again to create a
frozen image, literally a replication of the actual frame of film.
Most video retail stores where I am (NJ) have DVD machines on display
(they're available from six companies when last I checked) and even on
the 20" screens they have, the difference is obvious in picture quality.
You have the option of letterboxing, pan & scan image, and widescreen
too, so everyone is happy! (my roommate hates letterboxing, I hate P&S)
Then you have the options of closed captioning, up to 32 sets of
subtitles, different language dubbing tracks, dropping out the
soundtrack (music)... The options are endless. I plan on buying a DVD
when the next line comes out.
Oh, and something in development along with portable DVD: DVD video
games. If you thought Playstation rules, imagine the game disc having
TWICE the memory! heheh... I'd never leave the house!
If anyone wants any price info or stats, give me a day or two and I can
look in the back issues of Video. I also highly recommend this magazine
if you're a film and video freak (as I am). The players start at a
retail of around $599 and run up into the thousands for mulidisc players
(not changers).
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 10:18:28 -0500 From: Brian <bpick@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: QUIT! Message-ID: <33734044.41F5@olemiss.edu>
Quit sending me all this shit. I do not care. Leave me alone.
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Date: 09 May 97 10:14:42 -0500 From: "Donald Dintaman" <Donald.Dintaman@nmb.norwest.com> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> (Return requested) (Receipt notification requested) Subject: "Intelligent" Rock
This morning on 98Rock in Baltimore, the morning DJ's actually mentioned DT. They're were doing the entertainment news and one of the headlines was that someone wanted to categorize rock music. The DJ reading the story then went on to say the categories that were being proposed. While he was reading them, another DJ was randomly yelling out bands that fit the category. After "intelligent rock" was read, he yelled out "Rush and Dream Theater". Pretty cool..... This station also plays DT every once and a while, mainly PMU. Later, Don ESL2112@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 11:43:54 +0500 From: richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: i saw APSOG IN CANADA Message-ID: <9705091543.AA20986@jason.qc.ca>
i saw yesterday at HMV the new FATES but it was an import at 22.99
RJ
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:50:32 -0700 (PDT) From: m_washke@acad.lvc.edu (Michael Washkevich) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: compression (ndtc) Message-ID: <199705091650.JAA11079@odin.ax.com>
I haven't written the jam in a while, but since people started talking about audio, I chose to get involved.
"(do you know that the majority of our CDs pass thru a compression of dynamic range? this means that the very, very soft sounds are cut and the very, very loud sounds have their volume lowered)."
The compression you are referring to, dynamic compression, is used somewhere along the way in every recording medium. It has nothing to do with decreasing sound quality. It is intended to improve signal to noise ratio by decresing dynamic range which makes it possible to get more signal to tape, or cd- according to what part of the process you are talking about. Compression is used throughout the entire recording process, even while tracking drums and vocals, to mixing, and then to mastering. If this compression wasn't used, the signal level on your recordings would be very erratic. As far as you saying "very soft sounds are cut" is quite untrue. The idea of compression, in a nutshell, is to bring the softer parts up in volume (again to increse s/n ratio), not to cut anything out, along with bringing the volume in louder sections down, then boosting the overall output to get a smoother range of dynamics. The "lossy compression" everyone else is talking about is something entirely different. It has nothing to do dynamic range. They are both called compression because the intention between both is to "squash" something. The dynamic range gets "squashed" with a dynamic compressor, while these MDs are data compressed. The process is similar to how your computer compresses data files. (I am computer illiterate so this is truly a lame explanation) Your computer rids of the least important information so that your file is able to still exist but take up less space. The "lossy compression" in these new formats takes out information it considers "not as important." Well, what part of the music is really considered unimportant? I'm not sure how it chooses to cut information, but it does. So, essentially, part of the music is missing. I'm guessing the upper harmonics are the victims, but I'm not sure. As far as DVD is concerned. It is already available to consumers in the US I believe. Good luck finding it. But- it is only available as a playback unit. Everything about it is still up in the air, which is why it hasn't come around full swing yet. The technology for this has been around for decades, but the recording industry will try anything to stop digital recording medium from getting into the hands of the consumer. You might remember years back when record labels went apeshit over DAT. They thought for sure it was going to mean crazy pirating. This is why consumer DATs wont record at 44.1khz (the sampling rate of cds) because labels feared direct digital piracy, which translated to copies without degradation- (actually there is, but thats another audio lesson altogether.) As far as I know- the audio end of the DVD (vs. the video market) has not yet come up with a standard for the audio. It is possible for them to release a format without compression. The DVD is capable of storing multiple gigs of data vs. the cd which only clocks in at 650mgs. Its not like the storage space isn't there. If it winds up being compressed, its due to the dicks in the record industry.
Sorry for my rambling. mike washkevich
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Date: Fri, 9 May 97 16:55:00 GMT+8 From: <09422587@mail3.dlsu.edu.ph> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2530 Message-ID: <4274C60C8@mail3.dlsu.edu.ph>
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 10:50:44 PDT From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CD lengths, DVD machines Message-ID: <199705091750.KAA23582@f10.hotmail.com>
First of all, about CD lengths, the longest I know of is 78:59, and that's the infamous Metallica CD, LOAD.
Secondly, a question about these DVD machines. Will they be able to play regular CDs? If so, then that would be a perfect alternative to current CD players! If not, it seems that the only value would be in recording your own CDs.
Just my 2c
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 12:57:28 -0600 From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2538 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970509125728.0068e04c@autobahn.mb.ca>
> >BTW...any Savatage, DT or Randy Rhoads fans - please send e-mail. > Sorry this confused some people. I just meant any fans are free to send e-mail. To clarify this, it seems I'm the only fan of these here where I live. It's weird nobody here has heard of, or likes the above.
When I tell people that, as far as musicianship goes, these people are in the top 5, I get met with jeers and the like. For the most part anyways. It's really too bad that most fans have turned their back on metal. Except for us, anyways. This is more than true here in Canada, I don't know about the states. Eric ============================================================================ === <You're approaching the island of the Sirens - Savatage "Sirens"> ============================================================================ ===
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:58:03 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Inaccurate information control Message-ID: <199705091758.KAA14085@goodguy.goodnet.com>
A few things to clear up before they go any further...
The new DT album will likely be released in the fall.
DVD is superior to LD. But they're more like apples and oranges than many think. I've been a LD enthusiast for many years and the initial DVD prototypes were laughable, but the current product blows LD away in pure versatility, quality, price, and more or less every other way I can think of. It also can depend on which studio does the release... I have rented DVD porn that was barely better than a Quicktime video, but most of what you see on video store shelves is very well ported. Remember that LD is analog... and thus laser rot becomes a concern.
DVD is so superior to CD for music-only and data-only formats, it's not even funny. The compression is usually minimal or unnecessary when dealing with audio streams, and because of the high sample rates, there's no audible loss of fidelity. For data-only, sheesh, it's to CDROM what CDROM was to floppy.
Rush didn't even change the setlist in any noteworthy way last night in Phoenix, so it looks like I'll be using the bonus material to fill disc 3.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:06:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: compression (ndtc) Message-ID: <199705091805.LAA12181@odin.ax.com>
wow, Is this Hairball reincarnated?????????
-Al
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 14:11:45 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2538 Message-ID: <19970509.111420.8438.2.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
Any store that carries Metal Blade artists should have it.
Scott
On Fri, 9 May 1997 05:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Insydeout@aol.com writes: >Can anyone tell me which chains carry the FW album.
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 14:11:45 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: CD times... Message-ID: <19970509.111420.8438.0.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
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On Fri, 9 May 1997 03:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu> writes: >So far the longest CD I have found to date is Metallica's "Load" >album, >clocking in at 78:59, and all of it sounds just fine. Then again
I used to have a Queen boot that tracked at over :79.
Scott
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 14:11:45 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DVDs Message-ID: <19970509.111420.8438.3.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>You have the option of letterboxing, pan & scan image, and widescreen >too, so everyone is happy! (my roommate hates letterboxing, I hate >P&S)
Tell your roomate what I tell people about P & S. If you want P & S then watch the VHS. I figure if your a "Laser Snob" like I am and the reson you bought a LD deck in the first place is because of the difference in quality, why waste all that quality by only having part of the movie on the screen.
>if you're a film and video freak (as I am). The players start at a >retail of around $599 and run up into the thousands for mulidisc >players (not changers).
So far the cheapest deck I could find for what I want (DVD/CD/LD) is $1,000.
Scott
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 14:16:57 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: CD lengths, DVD machines Message-ID: <19970509.111914.8438.5.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
On Fri, 9 May 1997 10:57:13 -0700 (PDT) "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com> writes:
>Secondly, a question about these DVD machines. Will they be able to >play regular CDs?
Yes, DVD/CD players are already available.
Scott
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 16:30:19 -0300 From: luciano poggio <lpoggio@sicoar.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <199705091930.QAA28463@lx1.sicoar.com>
Hi! i would like to know the megadinner telnet adress...If aynone knows it..please mail me. LULO ********************** * LPoggio@sicoar.com * * Luciano Poggio * **********************
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:40:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2538 Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970509141617.9869A-100000@enteract.com>
> There shouldn't be any difference, but I'll check that out.
There is no difference between the German and the Japanese import versions of tDWoT (Symphony X)... excluding price. The Japanese one carries about $10 in excess charges. I guess you're paying for that little cardboard thing they put over the edge of the case...
> From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net> > Subject: Price of new Ibanez 7-string
> Just got the new Guitar World catalog and it has the RG 7string for $999 > with a list price of $1299, not much better than just buying a used > Universe. A Universe will also get you the cooler finish and Dimarzio > pickups...
Well, first off, these guitars are going to be next to impossible to get in any of your larger cities. The buzz is high for these things. I predict that when they come out (Ibanez has admitted that they are already WAY back ordered on these) you'll be paying near list price for them. The Universe currently sells new for between $1200 and $1500... but they are equally backordered (MANY people are waiting for their Universes since before Ibanez introduced these new RG 7 strings at NAMM in January). They only make the Black Universe right now. If you want one of teh White ones or Swirls or any of the other special editions, be prepared to pay premium used gear prices. As far as the pickups go, this is a quote from the Ibanez 7620 web page: For pickups we use black custom-matched DiMarzio 7-string pickups in direct mounted into the body for extra low-end sustain. and then there was this, on the Universe page: the Universe features (...) DiMarzio pickups (Blaze II).
As a Universe owner, I can tell you that these pickups are not worth killing anyone over. They have a very flat frequency response (this was on purpose, because the low B can actually become overpowering and can damage your speakers at high volumes if it has too much output) and takes a lot of tweaking to get a great tone out of. I wish they would have spent more time on just making a good sounding pickup than trying to even everything out. Before making a decision based on pickups, I would recommend waiting until you can try out an RG 7620. They may be the exact same pickups as the Universe, or they may even sound better to your ears.
> From: Scott Cook <skooc@italy-c.it.earthlink.net> > Subject: [Fwd: Chicago Police [joke]
Hehehe, not bad.
> Subject: New DT disc release date pushed back to '98?? > I have a buddy who works at an HMV here, and I asked him about 3 or 4 > months ago when the new DT disc was due out. After he spoke to the Warner > rep, he told me the album was due in summer of this year. Upon asking > again, he and I have now learned, according to the local Warner rep, that > it probably won't be out until at least December and possibly into early > 1998. January or maybe even February, to be specific. And, at the time I > found out, the band had yet to begin laying down tracks.
Not even Warner Bros. is in a position to be able to know this, unless they aren't actually getting DT into the studio in May, or they have decided to hold back the release after it's already recorded and ready. We've heard a LOT of people give a similar accounting here, saying "I called Elektra" etc, and I think that there just aren't any official facts to go by. All we know is the band said that they will be in the studio in May, and the album should be out in Fall. I think there's a good chance that they know this one better than the Warner rep. Of course, I am not certain.
- Chris Ptacek
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