YTSEJAM Digest 2542
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2540
by Insydeout@aol.com
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2541
by Insydeout@aol.com
3) Re: 7 string gee-tars
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2541
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
5) Re: DT solos
by me128 student <me128-ba@calcium.ME.Berkeley.EDU>
6) Rush 5/10/97 Blockbuster Pavilion Review
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
7) 7 string geetars
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
8) Re: New TNT
by IdleMinds@aol.com
9) McM , Cool hard music sat.
by "beLIEve" <tomerel@ben-gurion.hasharon.k12.il>
10) Uhhh.......
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
11) Re: 7 string geetars
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
12) ohh broooooooooother
by WildKoba@aol.com
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2541
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
14) progressive takeover
by "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
15) Boot Auction
by Gary <gbaucom@trellis.net>
16) two extra on the seven string?
by filth <ripzero@inlink.com>
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 00:42:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Insydeout@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2540
Message-ID: <970511003348_-996888225@emout06.mail.aol.com>
I was told that DT is in the studio right now. Congratulations to MP. He had
a baby girl and her name is melody. Cute name huh?
Debbie
Insydeout Entertainment
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 00:47:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Insydeout@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2541
Message-ID: <970511004739_2051596265@emout16.mail.aol.com>
can someone please tell me how I can get a ytsejam t-shirt?
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 03:02:56 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: 7 string gee-tars
Message-ID: <33756F20.631F@caribe.net>
Jeff Keifling wrote:
>
> On a 7 string guitar, what are the two strings added, and do they generally
> cost more?
2 strings? ... you mean one... a low b
--"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 02:30:11 -0600 From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2541 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970511023011.0068e204@autobahn.mb.ca>
>>You think this was meant as a joke?? You think I have nothing better to do >>than write bogus mail to one of my favorite bands mailing lists? You're wrong. > > Lay off the crack, dude. I didn't say anything about you. I >brought up the information we have directly from the band, as I think it's >more pertinent in this topic than anything a Warner rep may have to say. > >>And you're also right, somewhat. I spoke to the Warner rep with my buddy at >>HMV today and he confirmed that DT will enter the studio sometime this >>month. <I guess the petition paid off...congrats to everyone who signed >>it>. The same guy who produced Aerosmith's <a band who should call it >>quits, btw> last album, Nine Lives, is at the helm. The release date now, >>in fact, has been pushed up to a September or October release. This info is >>quite accurate and very current. > > Exactly. Now lay off the caffeine. :) > >> Eric >> > Alright, first things first. This wasn't me, this was a buddy of mine. I was out of town for a few days and he got my mail for me. Won't happen again.
>>It's times like this I'm glad I dropped out of the ACOS transcription and >>went it alone. In fact, I'm almost done. > > And I haven't figured out what you're implying here, but if I do, >I'll let you know.
Secondly, while it's true I've almost finished tramscribing ACOS, I'm not glad I dropped out, it was incredibly difficult. <Techrat had a field day, by the looks of things...just another day for him getting me in shit on the net.> I used to be on the list when I was on Compuserve, till I moved to Australia. I was forced to drop out of the list and close my account. As far as the "ACOS transcription" goes, it was a group of us <I believe a guy named Brandon headed it up> who were going to transcribe ACOS. I was like 2nd or 3rd on the list.
This is my answer, take it or leave it. I wanted to end this thread before it got out of hand, especially since none of it was my fault.
Sorry to bore anyone...let's get back to the heart of the matter, DT. Who, next to Savatage, are one of the best bands around, imho.
Eric
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 01:35:51 -0700 (PDT) From: me128 student <me128-ba@calcium.ME.Berkeley.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT solos Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970511010328.1532A-100000@calcium.ME.Berkeley.EDU>
On Sat, 10 May 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
> I will also say this: If there's no other reason for something to be in a > song, other then to 'wow' people, then I think it's out of place. This can > be *a* reason, but shouldn't be the primary reason. By 'wow' I mean impress > people with the level of technique apparent, not with "feeling". Hmmm...I disagree with you here. This "wow" factor is a big factor in my decision on whether or not to buy a CD. I'm a pretty big drumming freak, and sort of a bass one too. When I buy a CD, I'm lookin' for some chops, man. I wanna hear shit that makes me wish I had a drumset of my own so I could figure out how the drummer pulled that trick off and repeat it for myself ad nauseum:). I wanna hear phrasing and fills that are so out-of-this-world and original that I am moved to say "Holy shit! That was an awesome choice of <fill, phrasing, whatever>! Lemme play that again!" I wanna hear rhythm tricks that sound so slick they literally send chills up and down my back. I wanna hear the drummer play 20 different phrasings over a single guitar riff. This is what I'm looking for in my music. > > This "feeling", which is whole point of music, waxes and wanes throughout > the metropolis solo. One part in particular, right after the bass solo, comes > to mind. This part does not seem to have a point. It could be erased from > the song and I wouldn't care. I certainly would. I happen to love it when a band goes into these extended instrumental interludes that take 'em into some weird tangent where they just tear shit up. Yeah, you're right in that that particular part pretty much came out of nowhere. That's one of the things I love about it. I think more songs need to be composed like this, instead of sticking to one basic theme all the time. Sticking to one theme is all right, but a lot of times it sounds to me like the band is beating a dead horse. I don't mean DT in particular, I'm really thinking of other bands when I say this, but for DT, the one song that comes to mind where they do this is Voices. I mean, I like long songs and all, but I think they should be done more in the style of Metropolis and LtL, with all sorts of melodies, solos, and riffs thrown into the mix.
> There is much less of this on Awake. My favorite song is Voices, which, while > very long and winding, is also very consistent, emotionally powerful, and > *tight*. *And* it shows off their technical ability, which is also great. That's really what put me off about Awake. What you call "consistent" sounds kinda dull to me. I mean, a lot of jazz fusion bands don't bother sticking to a single theme with this kind of rigor and instead go for a more free-for-all, anything-goes composing style, where they can just take several melodies or riffs or whatever, stick 'em together, and still make the whole song sound cohesive. Having these kinds of changes in the song only makes the song more interesting IMO. This is also why I rate WDADU higher than Awake. WDADU had a lot more of this "musical rambling", as I like to call it, especially OaMoT (my fave track off that CD).
Younis Hilal-----------------------yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu AKA YoonDog on IRC
"If it bleeds, then we can kill it." ---Dutch, "Predator" "Your Majesty, you are like a stream of bat's piss." "What?" "I merely meant, your Majesty, that you shine out like a shaft of gold when all around you is dark." ---MP "Long hair, short hair, what the hell's the difference once the head's blown off?" ---unknown (somebody wanna help me out here?)
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 02:18:49 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush 5/10/97 Blockbuster Pavilion Review Message-ID: <199705110918.CAA03569@gms.gmsnet.com>
MAn... what an incredible show... It was rockin hard... Peart was in fine form... the sound was powerful. Geddy sang well... Met the guyz from Prototype there... yeah!
Another fine evening caught on DAT... :)
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 10:37:10 -0300 From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 7 string geetars Message-ID: <334B9B86.4469@geocities.com>
hey there!
> ------------------------------ > From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) > Subject: 7 string gee-tars > On a 7 string guitar, what are the two strings added, and do they generally > cost more?
TWO????????!?!!! What kind of guitar do you play??? :) The ONE string added is a low B.
[]'s Marcelo Vanzin
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:50:54 -0400 (EDT) From: IdleMinds@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: New TNT Message-ID: <970511085054_-598566633@emout11.mail.aol.com>
I finally did listen to the new TNT and I love it. I don't hear "alternative" at all. "Alternative" is such an overused phase anyway. "Firefly" is not "Tell No Tales" but if was, it'd sound dated. This is just a 90's metal record and it rocks. The title track is heavy. And as for Tony's voice...sounds all there to me. Geoff Tate on the other hand... :)
Rob
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:01:29 +0300 From: "beLIEve" <tomerel@ben-gurion.hasharon.k12.il> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: McM , Cool hard music sat. Message-ID: <199705111313.GAA19469@geocities.com>
Hiya all,
I just installed "dish" on my roof and ... i find real cool Europeian satellite that called "Hot bird" there is planty of channels in it but one of them is ... *WOW* it's channel thats called McM , it's somthing like Mtv BUT 2 major things....
1. it's in french :( 2. there is alot of heavy metal music in it :) (that's the *WOW*)
If you are in Europe ... WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR ?!? other ... sorry i don't know if you can recive it ... ask in the local store ;)
i can tell ya the azimuth and the angle because i get it from Israel so if you are not from Israel (and it's reasonable you aren't ) it's useless....
-Tomer Zvi Eliash , Israel |Not only the sleeping should fear dreams|
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 10:53:52 -0400 From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu> To: The Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Uhhh....... Message-ID: <3375DD80.5C53@bu.edu>
> On a 7 string guitar, what are the two strings added, and do they > generally cost more?
Okay, so I got a C in Calc 3, but my math isn't *this* bad! ;) Ummmmm, they cost more than the five strings. ;) -- /* * User: Brian Wherry, bwherry@bu.edu, bwherry@cs.bu.edu * School: Boston University College of Engineering * Web: http://www.channel1.com/users/wacky/ * http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/ * Quote: "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur." */
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 11:50:43 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: 7 string geetars Message-ID: <199705111750.KAA05801@odin.ax.com>
> > On a 7 string guitar, what are the two strings added, and do they generally > > cost more? > > > TWO????????!?!!! What kind of guitar do you play??? :) > The ONE string added is a low B.
I think he meant a 7-string banjo. I hear these thing are pretty wicked. :)
---KorgX3
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:02:51 -0400 (EDT) From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ohh broooooooooother Message-ID: <970511150250_-399044069@emout12.mail.aol.com>
here we go again..
In a message dated 5/11/97 0:34:26, you (chris ptacek, i believe) wrote:
> >>From: WildKoba@aol.com >>Subject: new 7 string price > >>i agree with adam cook about the price of the new 7 string. for that price >>(1299), you can find a decent used one, and if you're daring enough and/or >>talk a good talk with a guitar salesman, you can pull of a NEW universe for >>only $200 more. > > I hope no one ever pays $1500 for a new Universe. Even on this >heavy backorder, don't be THAT much of a pushover. :) > i'm slightly puzzled. a guitar that retails at 2 grand. used ones going anywhere from $1699-2500 (which i think is retarded bullshit), and a new one with a case for 1499. a pushover?!? mais non, je ne suis pas le pushover, mon ami. je suis l'oiseau, and l'oiseau says, "I AM L'OISEAU!"
i don't think 1400 plus with a case ain't so bad (wondering what you pay for 7 strings)
>> if these rg7's only have stock ibanez pickups, don't even >>bother. the stock pickups i had on my rg550 sucked fat moose penis. you want >>a guitar with dimarzios. i know you do. > > On first listen, people who have their tone set to godly perfection >on their amps are gonna WISH they had the tone of the 550 stock pickups >anyways. It takes some heavy tweakin'. But as I already noted, both are >dimarzios. If anyone has more time on their hands than I do, they might >consider sending Ibanez an e-mail and asking them if there's a difference >between the pickups on the UV and the RG, and if so to explain it.
well, based on the experience i had with my 550, i'd rather shoot my pickups. i guess first of all it doesn't help that either ibanez or sam's asshole decided to switch the pickup into a duncan jb pickup (makes no sense, i know). it doesn't help that the neck and bridge pickups just basically fried on me. eventually when i got what i considered "real pickups", i told the stock ones to go fuck themselves and made them history,
big swifty ass motherfucker (who i hope got his cd) writes: > >I decided to start a porno page because nearly every other page I've >found on the web wants you to pay to access the files. Mine doesn't. > >http://www.twav.com/swifty/porno.htm > and all the red white and blue clad patriots come marching down the street singing at the top of their lungs, "GOOOOOOOOOD BLESS AAAAAAAAAAAMERICA!"
yay.
the whitewolf guy writes:
>>ytsegoon (ha ha, muthafucker, i have a universe and i smell your mother's >>panties) >> >Good for you. I have a Universe, too.
the essential question is NOT whether you have a universe or not. if you smell my mother's panties, NOW we're talking....
ok, now for other shit, here goes:
a) i'm trying to sell a guitar. i'm trying to sell an ibanez js6 guitar (satriani model). this is the one that has the all wood finish and no whammy. mahogany body, rosewood neck, maple fingerboard. fred and paf pro pickups with a coil splitting and tone filter option (via push pull volume and tone knobs). serial # 2649 (for those who care). it's a REAL warm tone, and it just feels good to play. if anyone's interested, plese email me and we'll talk. depending on the situation, i may be able to hand deliver it to you in the coming month or 2.
b) so yeah, yeah, i've bitching about this x-country trip (the ytsegoon american tour), and looking for advice for places to check out (mad props to the boys and girls who've told me about places like milwaukee, sf, and seattle). if anyone knows a good place to check out, stay (as in motel or shacking or whatever), or whatever, email me privately. i'm most likely going to box myself out of this mailing list while i'm gone, so private, please.
a-ight, peace out bitches.
ytsegoon (i smell your panties and i LIKE it)
********************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi: binghamton university bd91014@binghamton.edu wildkoba@aol.com
the goon patrol- funk for people with 47 chormosomes **********************************************************************
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:24:19 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2541 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970511192419.00bc1218@pop.enteract.com>
>From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU >Subject: DT solos
>I didn't say it was a shredfest or guitar wank-off, Chris. As far as the >metropolis passage in question, yes, I believe it *does* have some of >those elements - mainly a severe inconsistency w/the rest of the song that >doesn't seem to serve any particular purpose. But, after listening with >more attention, I will say that that's not true for the whole passage. > >I will also say this: If there's no other reason for something to be in a >song, other then to 'wow' people, then I think it's out of place. This can >be *a* reason, but shouldn't be the primary reason. By 'wow' I mean impress >people with the level of technique apparent, not with "feeling".
Then you ARE saying that it's got wanking elements, is somewhat disjointed, and exists, at least somewhat, to "wow" someone, right? Then I guess I could just repost the last response I had... but that would serve little purpose. As a listener and someone who buys all of the wank shred albums, just to hear some new techniques that I havem't tried yet, I can feel pretty informed when I say that I think this fits with the mood of the song. I think the middle section of Metropolis is a perfect tension builder. That kind of thing is a classic element of progressive music. The instrumental section of the song is well written, and I think it adds to the song. I think the majority of the people on this list would agree (that's not necessarily saying much, since this is a DT list) But if you don't really appreciate that section, that's cool.
>This "feeling", which is whole point of music, waxes and wanes throughout >the metropolis solo. One part in particular, right after the bass solo, comes >to mind. This part does not seem to have a point.
I think that's entirely in the eye of the beholder. Can we be content to just simply agree that we're not going to agree on this one? You don't listen to music in the same way that I do, so I don't think you can draw the same value out of some things that I find to be beautiful.
>It could be erased from the song and I wouldn't care.
But I would. And most of the people on this list would.
>Another great example is a lot of the stuff in Under A Glass Moon. And >that reminds me of my other defining element for this sort of demonstrative >playing: In both songs, there's solos that are generically similar, not >really relating to the song they're in. It's got this "insert generic DT >riff here" sound to it.
Okay, I really have to say it here. Are you a musician? The two solos are NOT alike. Technically and musically, they are different. The solo in Under a Glass Moon happens to be one of the most fiery and powerful solos played in the last five years. I think, and you may try to correct me, that it would seem that you just don't enjoy complicated guitar solos?
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>From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) >Subject: 7 string gee-tars
>On a 7 string guitar, what are the two strings added, and do they generally >cost more?
Last time I checked, my guitar had 6 strings, and my 7 string had 7... so there's one more string. The string is usually a low B, by default, but you can tune up or down a few steps comfortably. Some guitarists (Uli Jon Roth, for instance) puts a high A string on his guitar. This isn't as nifty on a Universe as it is on a guitar that's made for this. The guitars typically cost more. The low B string costs more than your average guitar string sometimes, because it's a thinker string. But it's a difference of $1 vs. $1.60. Not a big thing to cry over.
- Chris
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:34:43 -0400 From: "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: progressive takeover Message-ID: <199705111936.MAA06615@odin.ax.com>
I have a feeling that Fates Warning will start a revolution in the music scene. Finally, Progressive music will be known around the world. I went to HMV in Canada, and guess how many APSOG cds were on display. Over 50! that's right 50! Now all FW need is a video for a song like PART 2, or PART 7. These songs would definately give them airplay. So in a few months when FW are well-known, people are gonna want to hear similar types of bands. That's when they'll get a dose of the new DREAM THEATER, and the music scene will never be the same again!
The rest of '97 should be a good year. '98 will be even better!
Elvis Batur cyclone@securenet.net
Music In Progress http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:17:46 -0400 From: Gary <gbaucom@trellis.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Boot Auction Message-ID: <33767DCA.D8E@trellis.net>
Hello All,
I've decided to liquidate my boot CD collection (all are in excellent condition), and I think I've got some choice material to offer. Here's how I'll do it. Below are the CD's I have along with the minimum bid I'd like to get for each one. I'll take bids for a couple of days on this first round and then I'll post the highest bids on the Ytsejam again. I'll then let the bids go another round or so (if anyone's interested) before I sell. It seems like the fairest way to me if it's to be a genuine auction. So here they are:
06/29/93 "Lords of Sound", Milwaukee, WI - SB, A (2CD) (min $45) ---------- 03/04/93 "The Dance of Eternity", Limelight, NY, NY - SB(?), A (2CD) (min $45) ---------- 01/24/95 "Mind Control", Japan - SB, A (2CD) (min $45) (Includes 2 acoustic bonus tracks Tears/Silent Man) ---------- "Antiquities" (CD), Various tracks/sources Yep, this one's the real deal. An original copy from the Bahr project. I repeat...this is NOT a CD-R copy. (min $35) ---------- "Acoustic Dreams" (CD) This one is a CD-R copy produced by James Colberg. There are no gaps between songs and the copy is a first rate job. Next best thing to an original. (min $15)
There you have it. Some great DT material! Please check the DT website boot link (http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/archives/ginfo/boots.html) or the Mike Bahr page (http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/catalog.html) for boot information before asking me for it. It's all at those two sites. Thanks, and looking forward to auctioning these off.
Gary
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:39:25 -0500 From: filth <ripzero@inlink.com> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: two extra on the seven string? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970512023925.0075ca60@mail.inlink.com>
hey, if you're max cavalera (four string guitar master) then i guess it would have three extra strings. or would that be four? ;)
~Rip
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