YTSEJAM digest 2544

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Mon May 12 1997 - 16:04:25 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2543
     by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
      2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2542
     by "Glenn Pillsbury" <PILLSBUR@humnet.ucla.edu>
      3) Re: Quake and Metal
     by BigVic <BigVic@usa.net>
      4) 7 Stingers
     by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
      5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2542
     by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
      6) Talking 'bout music...
     by "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
      7) Charlie Hunter
     by svjohnson@amoco.com
      8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2542
     by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
      9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2543
     by ladyheather@juno.com
     10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2543
     by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
     11) Re: progressive takeover
     by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
     12) Re: Comments
     by Jan Melander <jan.melander@got.wmdata.se>
     13) Re: Stolen
     by Simon Asselin <asselins@ift.ulaval.ca>
     14) CORRECTED Setlist from Rush's Shoreline gig
     by King Of The Internet <skooc@earthlink.net>

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    Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:33:25 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2543
    Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970512113203.19546A-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>

    Yo out there!!
    I got front row seats to the QR show here at the Mann Music Cabter in Philly.
    I have never seen them live and am very excited. I was wondering if
    anyone out there has any idea of what the track listing will be for the
    show? Thanks.

    Dan

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    Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:37:12 PST
    From: "Glenn Pillsbury" <PILLSBUR@humnet.ucla.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2542
    Message-ID: <23F49E600D6@113hum2.humnet.ucla.edu>

    didn't Kip Winger play a bass with two strings and no frets?

    Glenn

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    Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:03:04 -0700
    From: BigVic <BigVic@usa.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Quake and Metal
    Message-ID: <33774D48.52AA@usa.net>

    > Anyway, does anyone know of a cool metal album which sounds brilliant while
    > playing Quake along with it? Do certain songs fit the levels that they
    > come on at?

    I'm a Rush, Yes and Genesis Nut, but I'm also enjoy good metal once in a
    while. The other day I was on the PC and I forgot that Pantera's "Vulgar
    Display Of Power" was on the drive, so when I started Quake...WOW!
    tailor made music for the game.... :^), you should see how "A New
    Level","F*ck*ng Hostile" and "Walk" give this extraordinaire game the
    darkest of moods.

    So Spiff, check that album, I fits totally to the game, and I recommend
    also "YYZ" and "La Villa Strangiato" and "Red Barchetta" from Rush,
    when you play "Sega's Rally Championship".

    I recently discovered Dream Theater...lemme tell y'all... great band,
    and " A Change of Seasons" this sucker refuses to leave my cdrom drive
    at work.... good thing! :^)

    So...that's all folks!

    Carpe Diem Everybody....

    Victor "BigVic" Parra
    The Cordon Bleu of Progressive Rock

    p.d. I'm looking for "The YTSE Jam" on a MP3 sound file, so If anybody
    have a URL of a site, please let me know. :^)

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    Date: Mon, 12 May 97 08:54:45 PST8
    From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: 7 Stingers
    Message-ID: <9704128634.AA863452699@CCGATE.HAC.COM>

         I just got the recent Guitar Center ad and they have the Universe for
         $999.99, good thing there isn't a Guitar Center anywhere near where I
         live <G>....
         
         ~Mike

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    Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:14:38 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2542
    Message-ID: <199705121613.JAA16371@odin.ax.com>

    >
    > didn't Kip Winger play a bass with two strings and no frets?
    >
    > Glenn
    >

            He actually PLAYED that bass?!?!?!?!?!?!

                                            -Al

    ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^
    email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com
    HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
      

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    Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:22:26 100
    From: "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Talking 'bout music...
    Message-ID: <15933493C9D@jurs1.jura.uni-osnabrueck.de>

    Hi gyus!

    I'm always looking for people who want to talk with me about music in
    general or some special bands. Maybe this is the right place to find
    people with a good taste of music, isn't it?
    Following are a few of my alltime-classic pieces of music, so sit
    back, read, and then send me your comments...

    S A V A T A G E EACH ALBUM, EACH NOTE, EACH SECOND!!!
                                    (well, maybe "Fight For The Rock" is
                                    a little bit weaker...)
                                    
    Dream Theater (surprise!) I & W + When Dream...
    FATES WARNING each and every note !! (APSoG is
                                    definetly THE album of the year!!)
    Symphony X The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
    Omen Battle Cry + Warning Of Danger
    Virgin Steele Marriage Of Heaven & Hell, Part 1 + 2
                                    + Noble Savage + Age Of Consent
    Kamelot Eternity + Dominion
    False Witness Demo 1991
    Psychotic Waltz A Social Grace
    Queensryche The Warning
    Treasure Land (hi Magnus!!) Questions
    Death Symbolic
    Sindrome Vault Of Inner Conscience (Demo)
    Bruce Dickinson Accident Of Birth
    Stratovarius Visions
    Tori Amos Little Earthquakes
    Heather Nova Oyster
    Demon Breakout
    Heaven's Cry Food For Thought Substitute
    Lillian Axe Out Of The Darkness...Into The Light
    Vicious Rumors Digital Dictator + Vicious Rumors
    Angra Holy Land

                                  
    (...) and thousands more...

    So I hope to hear from you soon!!

    Greetings,

                Michael

    ***************************************************
    * "So where do we begin *
    * and what else can we say? *
    * When the lines are all drawn *
    * What should we do today?" *
    * *
    * "A Pleasant Shade *
    * Of Gray" - Fates Warning *
    * *
    * *
    * Michael Kohsiek *
    * Blumenesch 8a Siegerlandstr.15 *
    * 49078 Osnabrueck 48527 Nordhorn *
    * Tel.: 0541/43771 05921/722272 *
    * *
    ***** "still writing letters in my head..." ******

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    Date: Mon, 12 May 97 11:18:24 -0500
    From: svjohnson@amoco.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Charlie Hunter
    Message-ID: <199705121618.AA14197@interlock.amoco.com>

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         Someone wrote....
         
    >. Charlie Hunter plays this weird thing that has got 5 guitar strings
    >and 3 bass strings, all on the same neck. The frets are not parallel
    >with each other, which allows the upper frets to be wider apart than
    >the ones at the bottom.
         
         This guy's groups play some WAY fabulous almost-acid-jazz. My band
         (ZOOGENIC for those in the Chicago area...) opened for Charlie's trio
         at the Elbo Room a few months ago. It's a fascinating thing, the way
         he plays incongruent, yet complimentary bass and rhythm lines at the
         same time. He isn't a real flashy or prominent lead player, but he
         can play something serious.
         
         Steve

    --MimeMultipartBoundary--

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    Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:53:31 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2542
    Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970512102025.22822C-100000@enteract.com>

            Whoa. I just saw my last post to the jam for the first time in a
    coherent state, and I'm seeing all of my typos and grammatical errors. I
    would hope that what I'm SAYING is what proves me to be a fool, instead of
    my typing ability. That's what you get for writing messages when you're
    half asleep.

    > From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>

    > Alright, first things first. This wasn't me, this was a buddy of mine. I
    > was out of town for a few days and he got my mail for me. Won't happen again.

            Oh. That's cool, no problem. Consider it over. It just kinda
    confused the hell out of me. :)
    ------------
    > I think he meant a 7-string banjo. I hear these thing are pretty
    > wicked. :)

            Hmm.... Bela Vai and the Vaitamins? (d'oh!)
    ------------
    > From: WildKoba@aol.com

    > > I hope no one ever pays $1500 for a new Universe. Even on this
    > >heavy backorder, don't be THAT much of a pushover. :)
    > i'm slightly puzzled. a guitar that retails at 2 grand. used ones going
    > anywhere from $1699-2500 (which i think is retarded bullshit), and a new one
    > with a case for 1499. a pushover?!? mais non, je ne suis pas le pushover, mon
    > ami. je suis l'oiseau, and l'oiseau says, "I AM L'OISEAU!"
    > i don't think 1400 plus with a case ain't so bad (wondering what you pay for
    > 7 strings)
     
            I used to work at Guitar Center. These guitars can be sold for
    significantly less than $1500. You just have to beat on the salesman a
    bit. I paid $1000 for my white Universe, and that's with case, used. The
    only reason I paid THIS much is because they don't make the white one
    anymore, and they're not that easy to find. The black and green ones have
    been spotted for around $800 with case, until this KoRn/Dream Theater etc
    thing came around. Now you just don't see them. I've spoken to many
    independent guitar shop owners who claim that the Universe was a VERY hard
    guitar to sell, for a very long time. Things change.
            Paying $1699-2500 for a used Ibanez ANYTHING is a crying shame. I
    like Ibanez. They're my primary guitar. But Ibanez guitars just aren't
    worth that kind of money. They don't put the quality craftsmanship in
    or the quality materials in to justify that cost. C'mon... if you pay
    that kind of dough, you have to expect quality wood, perfect intonation,
    and a neck that never turns into a rollercoaster, regardless of
    temperature and humidity changes. It wouldn't hurt to have more options
    as far as color and pickups/pickup configuration either.
            The new ones (according to some friends who recently sold two of
    them: the black and white ones that replaced the black and green ones)
    supposedly don't sound as good as the old ones either. I can't confirm
    that, as I haven't played them yet. I expect the RG series 7 strings to
    be as good as or better than the Universe series. One can always replace
    the pickups if they suck, and now you get rid of that useless middle
    position pickup (which I have always hated), and mount them directly into
    the wood (this helps tone, IMO). Plus, since it's not a Universe, I won't
    feel bad about re-painting it to get a look that I like better.
     
    > well, based on the experience i had with my 550, i'd rather shoot my pickups.
    > i guess first of all it doesn't help that either ibanez or sam's asshole
    > decided to switch the pickup into a duncan jb pickup (makes no sense, i
    > know). it doesn't help that the neck and bridge pickups just basically fried
    > on me. eventually when i got what i considered "real pickups", i told the
    > stock ones to go fuck themselves and made them history,

            Hmmmm. Duncan JBs are sweet pickups. MICHAEL.ANGELO. gets some
    ripping tone out of em too (even though you can only handle so much M.A.
    before you go insane and start playing BeeGees n' stuff). I myself use
    the Screamin' Demon. Duncans are beefier pickups that I think distort
    better than DiMarzios.
            How did your pickups fry on you? JBs and the Ibanez stock pickups
    are all passive... you'd have to do some REALLY creative wiring to fry a
    magnet with a copper coil around it.

    - Chris Ptacek

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    Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:26:44 EDT
    From: ladyheather@juno.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2543
    Message-ID: <19970512.132437.3718.5.ladyheather@juno.com>

    Hey people. I was just at a local radio station trying to up my Boston
    contacts and I ran into Kip Winger. Even though I hate his guts, I took
    the time to mention the DT opening of Rudis and Morganstein and he said
    something about how he had just hired BOTH of them to do the upcoming
    tour...So what does this do to their project I wonder.
    ( anyone who's really curious...Kips doing some free concert and CD
    signing tonight at 5 Borders books in Boston.)
    -LadyDragon

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    Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:59:52 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2543
    Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970512120434.22822D-100000@enteract.com>

    > Subject: DVDs: the final word

            Thanks a bundle. Good info.
    ---------------
    > From: Christian Albert Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com>
    > Subject: Strings and more strings

    > . Some guy in the Boston area builds a 8-string guitar and a 7-string bass.
    > I read that in some guitar magazine a year ago. Since I don't think I can
    > afford one, I didn't keep that article.

            That's probably Conklin. They have a web site somewhere... I used
    to have it bookmarked... I THOUGHT it was conklin.com but it's not. I
    have played their 8 string guitar. It has both a low B and a high A. It
    basically looked and felt like a coffee table. My guitar teacher at
    the time was considering an endorsement from them, and couldn't get into
    the guitar. Supposedly, the new 7 strings they're making are quite killer.
     
    > of mine says he once saw a JS guitar with 7 strings. Anybody ever seen any
    > of those?

            I THINK it was just an S-series 7 string. I know those were made.
    I won't go into the story about why Ibanez stopped making (supposedly) the
    7 strings for a while, and why so many companies refused to make them,
    even though they had the means and people were interested. Hamer, Gibson,
    and Fender also made some killer 7 strings, I understand. I've played a
    few Hamer 7 strings, and I've HELD one of the 2 Fender 7 string Strats.
    That guitar is worth over $10K, according to collectors.
     
    > . Those 10-string Jacksons are pretty cool. I saw one at a store in Atlanta
    > a couple years ago. Did anybody else besides Dan Spitz play one?

            Yeah, but that was more like a 12 string... the extra strings were
    drones, not individual strings.
     
    > Me? I just got a Universe. It seems really dull compared to all this other
    > stuff, doesn't it? :)

            Congratulations! :)
    -------------
    > Dream Theater!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=20

            DT and QR in one night? We can dream, can't we? :)
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    > From: Charlie Patel <patelc@ro.com>

    > Why do the majority of the e-mails on this digest have nothing to do
    > with Dream Theater?!!?!?

            Because they're not doing anything new right now, and we don't
    have anything better to talk about. Could you perhaps get a better e-mail
    program (Eudora or Pegasus or something... go to www.tucows.com) so we
    don't get blasted with all of that garbled crap next time you post?
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    > From: svjohnson@amoco.com

    > Chris, you're being a dick (sorry to use your "catch-phrase").

            Agreed. I was in a bad mood, and that annoyed me. STILL,
    swearing at the members of this list because you deleted your
    unsubscription info is just as bad, if not worse.

    > People on this list can be so quick to become a part of the problem
    > and not part of the solution.

            Thank you Captain Helpful. :)

    > My guess is this guy has received more
    > than a couple of Jams ...... UNSOLICITED somehow and now he wants it
    > to stop. He doesn't know it's automated...he doesn't know the
    > procedure....he's just a guy getting e-mail he doesn't want.

            It is possible to subscribe someone else to the jam against one's
    will, or as a joke. However, it isn't possible to get the info message
    Ytsejam sends out to new subscribers re-routed elsewhere without Skadz
    acknowledging the request. Since Skadz wouldn't do that, this guy either
    subscribed and doesn't want to be here anymore (which is what I believe)
    or he deleted his info message, which would fall within the bounds of what
    you believe.
            NEITHER of these possibilities excuses bitching at the jam. He
    had every reason to be polite, since he needed help.

    > SO WHY BE AN ASSHOLE!?!?!

            You get what you give. Almost EVERY TIME ANYONE asks how they can
    unsubscribe, I send a message explaining how to do it. I have a text file
    on my desktop for this purpose. But if the person wants to swear and
    bitch and moan, I will not be helpful.

    > For all he knows, this is just spam.

            I think that's awfully presumptuous. Didn't he say "I don't care
    anymore" or something to that effect? I deleted that jam, but something
    he said led me to believe that he DID subscribe himself.

    > And he's not the first one to be treated like this by Jammers.

            People who treat jammers like assholes for no reason, get treated
    accordingly. When I get out of line, I get my fair share too. I do agree
    that I was curt in what I said, but I was not in the mood to be nice to
    someone that was being a jerk off in the first place. If I'm wrong, and
    he didn't subscribe himself, or delete his list information e-mail, then I
    apologize.

    - Chris

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    Date: Mon, 12 May 97 11:31:07 PST8
    From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: progressive takeover
    Message-ID: <9704128634.AA863462412@CCGATE.HAC.COM>

    >I have a feeling that Fates Warning will start a revolution in the music
    >scene. Finally, Progressive music will be known around the world.
    >I went to HMV in Canada, and guess how many APSOG cds were
    >on display. Over 50! that's right 50!
        Wow, that's quite impressive... either someone there
    has some good taste or accidentally put a zero on the end
    of the real order...<G>

    >Now all FW need is a video for a song like PART 2, or PART 7.
    >These songs would definately give them airplay.
        Well, the band is going to record a video for the whole thing, it may just
    wind up being live footage from the Euro tour, but it hasn't all been worked out
    yet... And they did release the CD single a week or so ago... It contains Part
    2, a techno-remix of Part 2 (I don't much care for this one, but it is at least
    interesting to hear), and a demo version of Part 7... Hope for some airplay!

    ~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ)
    Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com
    URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer
    Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream

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    Date: Mon, 12 May 97 20:50:45 -0000
    From: Jan Melander <jan.melander@got.wmdata.se>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Comments
    Message-ID: <9705121948.AA12557@goethe.got.wmdata.se>

    >Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 02:54:14 -0500
    >From: Charlie Patel <patelc@ro.com>
    >To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    >Subject: Comments
    >Message-ID: <01BC5E7F.C70B5F00@ts2p6.ro.com>
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    Why do the majority of the words in Your post not relate to the English
    language?
    ;-D

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            Jan Melander
            WM-Data
            jan.melander@got.wmdata.se
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    "Until the circle breaks and wisdom lies ahead,
     The faithful live Awake, the rest remain misled"
                    Innocence Faded - Dream Theater

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    Date: Mon, 12 May 97 15:17:16 EDT
    From: Simon Asselin <asselins@ift.ulaval.ca>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Stolen
    Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970512030927.393f5f6c@vonneuman.ift.ulaval.ca>

    >What really pisses me off is not the fact that they cost me x pounds or
    >dollars or whatever, but that these wonderful CDs will probably just go
    >to waste lying in the corner of some dickhead's bedroom or being sold
    >for a pittance at some dodgy street stall.

    Which means it's probably the time for you to check out all "flea markets"
    (no idea if this exists in UK) and street stalls you know in hopes of seeing
    your stuff... You might find your stuff, because that's probably the place
    where they go clear all stolen goods.

    Some time ago a friend of mine had a boat engine stolen. One of his friends
    heard about it and when he saw a conspicuously similar engine at a flea
    market he asked for serial numbers to my friend and it turned out it was
    indeed _the_ engine. Needless to say, he called the cops and he got back
    his possession, though the "seller" wasn't responsible for it. He bought it
    from a thieves network or something.

    The thing is more complicated with CDs, but it would still be possible to
    find them -- and short of being able to get them back, you could buy them at
    least.

    Good luck!

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    Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:48:50 -0700 (PDT)
    From: King Of The Internet <skooc@earthlink.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: CORRECTED Setlist from Rush's Shoreline gig
    Message-ID: <199705121948.MAA04802@iceland.it.earthlink.net>

    Hi again!

    This is correct as far as I know; at least all the songs are there. Last
    night I forgot to add Limelight to the setlist.

    Dreamline
    Limelight
    Stick It Out
    Driven
    Half the World
    Red Barchetta
    Animate
    Limbo
    The Trees
    Virtuality
    Nobody's Hero
    Closer to the Heart
    2112

     --break--

    Test For Echo
    Red Sector A
    Freewill
    Roll The Bones
    Resist
    Leave That Thing Alone
    drum solo
    Natural Science
    Force 10
    Time & Motion
    The Spirit of Radio
    Tom Sawyer
    YYZ --> Cygnus X-1

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