YTSEJAM Digest 2546
Today's Topics:
1) Life, the Universe, and Everything
by "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
2) D-Man
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
3) Re: Rush @ Shoreline
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
4) original subcon and acoustic dreams trade / angra's holy land fo
by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
5) Terds, not Flames
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
6) Farts that linger
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
7) What is the mean of 'APSoG'?
by Hyunil Choi <chi008@chollian.net>
8) Petrucci in Portugal
by Marco Nuno da Silva Goncalves <i23039@caravela.di.fc.ul.pt>
9) Re: Petrucci in Portugal
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
10) Re: What is the mean of 'APSoG'?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
11) Re: QR popularity in a downward spiral?
by wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack)
12) James LaBrie and Dream Theater..
by "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
13) Re: Spock's Beard live
by wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack)
14) Re: Farts that linger
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
15) Re: Manner's, babe!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
16) Re: D-Man
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
17) Re: Metropolis
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
18) Echolyn's first CD
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
19) BU is absolved
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
20) Subject: Re: Comments
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:44:28 PDT
From: "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Life, the Universe, and Everything
Message-ID: <199705130344.UAA00698@f26.hotmail.com>
>anymore, and they're not that easy to find. The black and green ones have
>been spotted for around $800 with case, until this KoRn/Dream Theater etc
>thing came around. Now you just don't see them.
I wouldn't say that. I found my green Universe last summer for $800 with case.
The only problem is that the tone knob didn't work at first. It's actually
kinda' funny. I looked in every shop in Nashville and Memphis, and none of them
had one, then I just happen to look in a little guitar shop in Florence Al while
a friend of mine was looking in a pet shop three stores down, and there it is.
:) I made the down payment before asking the price!
laterz 'n stuf,
kevin hammer
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/2566/
or
http://www.getaway.net/khammer/
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:06:28 -0500
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: D-Man
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970513040628.00b9e0ac@pop.enteract.com>
Well everyone,
D-Man is in the hospital, according to a friend, for a Kidney stone.
This is supposedly one of the worst pains a human can endure, second only to
a Spice Girls marathon. Keep him in your prayers, and maybe donate a case
of Mountain Dew or two. Take care, everyone.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Mon, 12 May 97 21:05:59 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Rush @ Shoreline
Message-ID: <9705130405.AA07093@tengs1>
It was a great show. The crowd seemed more into it than they
did during the November shows. My gripes: what was the deal
with the lack of lasers during Red Sector A (missed seeing
TFE)? And why the hell did only 1 in 10 (if that) people
know what to do during 2112 overture? I mean, not that big
of a deal, but when the music pauses for a moment and the
lights illuminate the crowd (added to the fact that a few
people were raising their fist into the air at the appropriate
moment) should have caused at least a _few_ people clue in.
Duh! And sorry we missed you after the show Scott. There
will be other shows, oh yes...
And when the hell is Queensryche coming to the Bay Area?
Zach
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:50:35 +0000
From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: original subcon and acoustic dreams trade / angra's holy land fo
Message-ID: <19970513045208.AAB14792@subtlerage.avalon.net>
1) this may seem like a long shot, but i thought i'd try anyway. i've
got an original subconscious (#044) and acoustic dreams (#408), both
initialed by mike bahr, that i'd be willing to trade for the first two
echolyn cds. not tape dubs, not cd dubs, but the originals.
2) i've had angra's holy land disc for a while now and, well, i can't
stand it. after many listens i just can't get into it. so i'm
selling it. $20 s/h included (if you're in the US anyway). the disc
is in perfect condition.
mail me privately.
thankya.
-Andrew
Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage
http://www.subtlerage.com - subtlerage@subtlerage.com
"first impressions" released. .wav files available
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 01:19:33 -0400
From: Dave <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Terds, not Flames
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970513011933.00692658@ee.net>
Instead of getting all heated up and pissed off once again
over idiotic comments being made about JLB (you know how I get),
I've decided to change my approach this time.
Instead of filling the jam with more of my defense on JLB's
behalf, I decided to blow it off and instead post some useless
DT humor (something we need from time to time around here).
Here goes, in the past we've heard all the mis-interpretations
of DT lyrics...welp, here is one of mine, and as stupid as it
is, I don't think this one has ever been mentioned:
Caught in a Web: "this turn of phrase we might not see,
is the thirst of desire found so easily"
What I heard: "this terd of praise, with might not seen, is the
first dump that I've had so easily"
There ya have it, sick as it may be...made me chuckle <G>
buster
http://users1.ee.net/buster - "When Dream and Doom Unite"
http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/ - "Surgical Strike, A Queensryche Page"
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 02:23:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Farts that linger
Message-ID: <199705130623.CAA19034@umbc10.umbc.edu>
For anyone who has Spock's Beard's "Beware of Darkness" disc, listen to the
title track. The line "Watch out now, take care, beware of thoughts that
linger" sounds a lot like "Watch out now, take care, beware of farts that
linger..."
--I hear the same thing every time I listen to that too. :) You'd think he would have been extra careful to get the pronounciation just right during that passage. :)
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:11:11 -0700 From: Hyunil Choi <chi008@chollian.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <"ytsejam@ax.com"@ax.com> Subject: What is the mean of 'APSoG'? Message-ID: <3379112F.8CAC6E7B@chollian.net>
Can anyone help me to understand the word 'APSoG ' which appears frequently in mailing lists?
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:19:26 +0100 (WET DST) From: Marco Nuno da Silva Goncalves <i23039@caravela.di.fc.ul.pt> To: DT mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Petrucci in Portugal Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970513101136.9043D-100000@caravela.di.fc.ul.pt>
hi everyone! It happened on April 30th.The show was about 1h20 and it was impressive. There were there about 1000 people just to saw and heard him playing. He played some new songs of the new DT album.He had a DAT playing at the same time (without guitar of course).He said the new album will be released on fall and it is not a double CD album (it was a rumor here in Portugal).Probably DT will be here on winters 98 (cool). I have about 40min video-record of Petrucci Show. Bye Everyone.
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:05:07 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: Marco Nuno da Silva Goncalves <i23039@caravela.di.fc.ul.pt> Subject: Re: Petrucci in Portugal Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970513080329.14656B-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Tue, 13 May 1997, Marco Nuno da Silva Goncalves wrote:
> hi everyone!
Ola', Marco.
> It happened on April 30th.The show was about 1h20 and it was impressive. > There were there about 1000 people just to saw and heard him playing. > He played some new songs of the new DT album.He had a DAT playing at the > same time (without guitar of course).He said the new album will be > released on fall and it is not a double CD album (it was a rumor here in > Portugal).Probably DT will be here on winters 98 (cool). > I have about 40min video-record of Petrucci Show.
Ola'.
Sera' que voce^ estaria interessado em trocar copias de coisas do Dream Theater? Eu gostaria de obter uma copia dos videos que voce^ tem (voce^ teria alguma lista das suas coisas em alguma pagina?).
Bem, uma lista do que eu tenho esta' em http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html.
Abracos, Roger...
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:09:18 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: What is the mean of 'APSoG'? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970513080645.14656C-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Tue, 13 May 1997, Hyunil Choi wrote:
> Can anyone help me to understand the word 'APSoG ' which appears > frequently in mailing lists?
Well, this is one more of the Non-Dream Theater content messages (let's hope we can make the number of NTDC messages to zero). APSoG stands for A Pleasant Shade of Grey, if I'm not mistaken. And is the new album of Fates Warning with Kevin Moore on keybords.
Hope this helps, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 06:32:01 -0500 From: wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: QR popularity in a downward spiral? Message-ID: <199705131132.GAA29033@tddpd22.tddeng00.fnts.com>
>>The big problem is that QR is on the downward side as far a >>popularity goes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I will have to disagree with the above statement. I have never heard so much QR on Dallas radio, even when we had a local Z-Rock affiliate (it sux that Z-Rock corporate is located in Dallas and we can't hear it!).
HitNF is doing quite well, from what I can tell. Every QR album since (and including) O:M has gone platinum (1 million in sales), and I think HintNF will keep that string intact.
Tate and DeGarmo did a pre-release promo and signing party here, and the turn-out was incredible. Hundreds of fans had to be turned away.
Here's hoping for DT as an opening act (especially since I have a backstage pass!)
Wade
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:42:16 100 From: "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: James LaBrie and Dream Theater.. Message-ID: <16C88141D8F@jurs1.jura.uni-osnabrueck.de>
Hi DreamHeads!
Concerning the thing about LaBrie: I have the opinion that James LaBrie is definetly the weakest point in the "art of Dream Theater". Esepecially live he doesn't fit to the technical brilliance the musicians have. I think that a singer like Ray Alder, Harry Conklin or Charlie Dominici (WHAT a voice he had!!) would better fit to DT than LaBrie.
What do the other people think?
Michael
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 06:42:56 -0500 From: wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Spock's Beard live Message-ID: <199705131142.GAA29039@tddpd22.tddeng00.fnts.com>
>>Just a quick review of the Spock's Beard show in Fremont, CA on 5/10...... >>........The drummer was pretty good....... ------------------------------------------------ The drummer, Nick D'Virgilo, is one of 2 session drummers that Genesis is using on the up-coming, initial post-Collins release. It is slated for earlyfall '97, and is said to be darker and more progressive than the last several Genesis albums. The new singer, Ray Wilson (formerly of the band Stiltskin), has a voice that is suited quite well to the older, Gabriel-era music.
Here is hoping for a return to previous form (progression by regression?).
Wade
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:49:38 +0000 From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Farts that linger Message-ID: <B0000099376@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 11:31 PM 5/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >For anyone who has Spock's Beard's "Beware of Darkness" disc, listen to the >title track. The line "Watch out now, take care, beware of thoughts that >linger" sounds a lot like "Watch out now, take care, beware of farts that >linger..." > >-- > >I hear the same thing every time I listen to that too. :) You'd think >he would have been extra careful to get the pronounciation just >right during that passage. :)
This person on r.m.p. said the same thing about that line. I myself heard it as thoughts, but I know how that sung words can easily get misconstrued.
Walter.
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 06:05:25 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Manner's, babe! Message-ID: <199705131305.GAA14758@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, svjohnson@amoco.com said:
> I don't get this behavior...... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > From: Brian <bpick@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu> > > Subject: QUIT! > > Quit sending me all this shit. I do not care. Leave me alone. > > You are the pudwhap that signed up. If you deleted your > information about how to unsubscribe, you can ask nicely, or you can > just fucking deal with it. It's an automated list. Saying "Quit > sending me this shit" has little effect on it, but DEFINITELY tempts > those of us with such powers to send you a HUGE damn e-mail bomb. > Show some respect. > > - Chris > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Chris, you're being a dick (sorry to use your "catch-phrase"). > > People on this list can be so quick to become a part of the problem > and not part of the solution. My guess is this guy has received more > than a couple of Jams ...... UNSOLICITED somehow and now he wants it > to stop. He doesn't know it's automated...he doesn't know the > procedure....he's just a guy getting e-mail he doesn't want. SO WHY > BE AN ASSHOLE!?!?! For all he knows, this is just spam. And he's not > the first one to be treated like this by Jammers. > > Pick....I think you need to type "unsubscribe" in the subject line and > then "unsubscribe your e-mail" in the body. But I'm just guessing. > Sorry I couldn't be of more help. > > Steve
And Steve, you are adding to the clutter, and so am I... if you wanted to help you could've sent e-mail to the person... so next time, shut the hell up...
Rule #6: No whining... like you and me are doing...
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:17:25 +0000 From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: D-Man Message-ID: <B0000099400@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 09:19 PM 5/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >Well everyone, > > D-Man is in the hospital, according to a friend, for a Kidney stone. >This is supposedly one of the worst pains a human can endure, second only to >a Spice Girls marathon. Keep him in your prayers, and maybe donate a case >of Mountain Dew or two. Take care, everyone.
Mountain Dew wouldn't be nice in this case. Actually it would be harmful for him because the phosphoric acid in the soda would encourage the reoccurence of kidney stones. (Alternative Medicine: the definitive guide pg. 942) He needs to drink plenty of clean water like 6-8 glasses a day. Cranberry juice is helpful in flushing out the kidneys and eliminating bacteria in the tract. According to my bible here, the foods he needs to avoid depends what deposits he has in his kidneys. I won't go into detail here, but if he chugs down to many beers, soda he'll definately need to eliminate that. ;)
Walter.
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:16:38 -0400 From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Metropolis Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970512155657.007a1920@ionsys.com>
>sticking to one basic theme all the time. Sticking to one theme is all >right, but a lot of times it sounds to me like the band is beating a dead >horse. I don't mean DT in particular, I'm really thinking of other bands
Yeah... can you say... Fates? I picked up my copy of APSoG last week (when it came out here in Canada), and it wasn't as good as I had hoped. Then again, after seeing everyone cream over this album for a couple of weeks, I guess nothing except maybe "Images & Words II" could've lived up to my expectations.
I still think it's a damn good song, and there are several parts that kick ass. But there are a couple of parts that just piss me off and cause me to skip over sections. One in particular that comes to mind is the beginning of one part (forget which), where this hideously simple bass riff is repeaed for about 3 minutes (the first 1 minute of which is solo). Now they may be sticking to a single theme, but if you ask me, THAT has no point. Not being able to deviate from one riff and maintain the same feeling to a song is just poor songwriting and lack of creativity.
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:22:19 +0000 From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Echolyn's first CD Message-ID: <B0000099406@chicago.orlinter.com>
I've been looking for this CD for a long time, but it seems that it is extremely rare. If anybody would like to sell me their copy or can make a boot copy for me, I'd greatly appreciate it. My original tape is about unlistenable now cause I played it too much.
Walter.
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:26:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu> Subject: BU is absolved Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970513091559.23587A-100000@frogger.rs.itd.umich.edu>
ummmm, lemme check what tape is in my walkman right now.....why, it's Brian Wherry's spring 97 demo.......imagine that....... basically, I like this a lot, fulfills the web sound clips' promise...... don't mind the lack of vocals.....for me, personally, vocals/lyrics are around the last thing i listen for......
thing i like best maybe are the background 'atmospheres' you've got floating in the background, they 'complete' the songs sonically for me.....and of course the up-front fireworks are pretty darn cool, too....
Heard a description once, (it might be on his web page) that the music is metropolitan sounding (as in track 5, I&W).......I'd say that is a fair starting point of reference..... so, I'd think y'all would do well to follow up on this tip, and contact brian bwherry@bu.edu for info about how to obtain his demo
2 points of clarification....this started out as a personal review to the guy, which is why i keep drifting in and out of the 1st/third person stuff b) About the subject....Boston U. beat Michigan in NCAA hockey semis, and I was sorta pissed about it for a while....I'm ok now, really i am.....
partha
On Wed, 7 May 1997, Brian Wherry wrote: > Let me know what you think when you get it, okay? Don't hate me because > I go to BU! :) Later! > Brian
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:40:57 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: Yts <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Subject: Re: Comments Message-ID: <33786F69.3359@mailstorm.dot.gov>
>> Why do the majority of the e-mails on this digest have nothing to do >> with Dream Theater?!!?!?
> Because we like to piss off newbies so they can whine on the > jam and look like idiots :-)
If I could wave my magic wand, I make everything allright :)
Regards,
Jon -- *------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
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