YTSEJAM Digest 2547
Today's Topics:
1) potential?
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
2) Uhhhhh..
by svjohnson@amoco.com
3) Re: James LaBrie and Dream Theater..
by bsamwel@wi.leidenuniv.nl (B.Samwel)
4) "one day all 7 will die...." -0+->
by WildKoba@aol.com
5) PRONG.
by Hein Vandenabeele
6) Re: FW
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
7) Re: James LaBrie and Dream Theater..
by Edward Polzin <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
8) A PLEASANT MOMENT OF MUSIC
by richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
9) Re: A PLEASANT MOMENT OF MUSIC
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
10) Re: D-Man
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
11) Re: Rush @ Shoreline
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
12) Spock's Beard Fans
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
13) Re: QR popularity in a downward spiral?
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
14) LaBrie's Defense
by Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
15) Noreaster
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
16) James bad, Charlie good?
by Randy Haskin <strega1@ix12.ix.netcom.com>
17) Atomic Opera
by "D. Ryan Whitaker" <godfther@netcom10.netcom.COM>
18) Antiquities
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
19) goodbye for now
by WildKoba@aol.com
20) labrie
by filth <ripzero@inlink.com>
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:14:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: potential?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970513101027.23587B-100000@frogger.rs.itd.umich.edu>
> yo, anyone got any crap they want to trade for yes's talk and/or union?
> i never listen to them, feel free to offer crap in return because i dont
> value these much. :)
> ~Rip
hey rip, I got a clean copy of Bon Jovi's New Jersey album, just SITTING
on my cd rack....think about it, bud, it was a classic in its day....
:)
psm
ps: and oh yeah, if you're ever at the library, check out a book by a lady
named Jane Smiley....the name of the book? "MOO" :p
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Date: Tue, 13 May 97 09:27:34 -0500
From: svjohnson@amoco.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Uhhhhh..
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>And Steve, you are adding to the clutter, and so am I... if you
>wanted to help you could've sent e-mail to the person... so next
>time, shut the hell up...
>
>Rule #6: No whining... like you and me are doing...
>
>-The Doc
Hey, knucklebutt, I _DID_ send it to the guy, as well. Thanks for the
"lesson." Besides, it's "you and _I_."
Steve
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:59:58 +0200 (MDT)
From: bsamwel@wi.leidenuniv.nl (B.Samwel)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: James LaBrie and Dream Theater..
Message-ID: <199705131459.OAA02488@ind302da.wi.leidenuniv.nl>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:42:16 100
> From: "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: James LaBrie and Dream Theater..
> Message-ID: <16C88141D8F@jurs1.jura.uni-osnabrueck.de>
>
> Hi DreamHeads!
>
> Concerning the thing about LaBrie:
> I have the opinion that James LaBrie is definetly the weakest point
> in the "art of Dream Theater". Esepecially live he doesn't fit to the
> technical brilliance the musicians have.
> I think that a singer like Ray Alder, Harry Conklin or Charlie
> Dominici (WHAT a voice he had!!) would better fit to DT than LaBrie.
>
> What do the other people think?
[I haven't been following the rest of the discussion, but I'll give my view
anyway.]
I personally think that dumping LaBrie wouldn't be a wise thing for DT to
do. I haven't seen DT live yet (the concerts in the Netherlands last month
were sold out before I even knew about them), but especially on Awake I
think he performs brilliantly. When I compare him to Charlie, I think that
JLB has a much more versatile voice. JLB can sing both "rough" parts and
parts that require a clear voice; I am especially fond of his seamless
transitions to the high (falset) register, and his very good use of this
register.
As I said, I haven't seen DT live yet, so I can't comment on JLB's live
performance. But as far as CDs are concerned, I prefer JLB above most
other singers.
Bart
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:07:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "one day all 7 will die...." -0+->
Message-ID: <970513110744_1522355882@emout12.mail.aol.com>
so i've been reading some bits regarding 7 stringed bits and pieces. here
goes:
chris ptacek, you make me puke. not a bad thing. just all you guitar center
bastards make me wish i was in l.a. sometimes (guitar center IS in l.a.,
right, or am i thinking another one?)
i searched reeeeeeal long and hard for a 7. i too wanted a white one, but
came across the problem of them not being so available. i got verrrrrry hard
when the east coast music mall purported to have one for 1600 used. i would
have thrown the money down for it. however, their business practices lead me
to suspicion. they demanded that i thrown down half the money as a deposit (a
NON-REFUNDABLE deposit, no less). this is all BEFORE i even got to see the
guitar. naturally, i told them i'd be up in two days. to my surprise i got
"ohh, i'm so sorry- we just sold it. but we have this green and flourescent
yellow one for 1999."
if anyone here has been following ibanez, i'm sure you remember this one.
it's the puke green, with those obnoxious flourescent yellow pickups (and for
a guy who owns a flourescent yellow GUITAR, they made ME sick) and the pink
switch knob. ooh, that did it. 1999 for that piece of crap? to hell with
those cocksuckers.
i saved my soul when i found out that a well-known store in rochester had 5
new ones (black ones), so at $1500 (w/case), i think i got a break. they were
trying to make me drop 1700, but that just wouldn't do. although no, i didn't
get the "oiseau" award for the cheapest bought uni, the only thing that
matters is that I HAVE ONE.
i couldn't agree with you more about the stupidity of paying 1600 for used
ibanez. everything you said was absolutely true. great guitars, and save for
the fender squire i have, they're all i play. i think even 1600 new is a bit
crazy. i think maybe the only circumstance that would prompt me to pay that
much would be if it had something like gold hardware (not plated- 18 karat
gold), and maybe if someone like pamela anderson or whoever "practiced" upon
it, so to speak. yes, that was crude, and i'll take my 2 minute minor in a
minute. but even then, i don't think i'd ever do that.
the jb pickups can sound good. i assume they can be made to sound great,
even. and i wish i knew what whoever wired it did. but it just happened. one
power chord later, and something bad happened. i sounded like a sonic youth
album or something. like, the low and midrange was just GONE, and the pickup
just sounded like hitting glass with a rock. and the noise (for a humbucker,
no less) was unbearable.
and i liked the sd's. i had a 59 on my neck for 5 years. but due to my good
experiences with dimarzios on other guitars, i just said fuck it and did a
little switch. now i'm running air nortons and steve's special (hmm.....i
wonder if that sounds familiar?) with an hs3.
whatever.....
7 string history-
hamer had one a few years back, too. i know the esp one was mentioned, but i
remember seeing an ad for a hamer 7 years ago (high a). wonder what happened
toit?
and don't forget, all you 7 string bitches. go listen to some old george van
epps recordings, cause HE is indeed the 7 string daddy.
peace out.
ytsegoon (i can smell them now)
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david yoichi kobayashi: binghamton university
bd91014@binghamton.edu
wildkoba@aol.com
the goon patrol- funk for people with 47 chormosomes
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Date: 13 May 97 17:36:42 EDT
From: Hein Vandenabeele
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: PRONG.
Message-ID: <9705131853.AA4068@NYC-NTGW-N01.ny.jpmorgan.com>
I know it is a little bit out of the general flavour of this newsgroup, but are
there any PRONg fans out there ?
Here is one... Any others ?
H.
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Date: Tue, 13 May 97 08:54:49 PST8
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: FW
Message-ID: <9704138635.AA863539142@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>does anyone have like.. live FW pictures up in a website... or
>websites that i can find em.. because ive looked around in the web and
>i cant find much about FW
No live pix up yet (as soon as I get some they'll be up!)... All I have up
right now is two new band pictures...
http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/fw/fw.htm
~Mike
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:26:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: Edward Polzin <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: James LaBrie and Dream Theater..
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.970513112212.4653A-100000@eehpx43.cen.uiuc.edu>
> Concerning the thing about LaBrie:
> I have the opinion that James LaBrie is definetly the weakest point
> in the "art of Dream Theater". Esepecially live he doesn't fit to the
> technical brilliance the musicians have.
> I think that a singer like Ray Alder, Harry Conklin or Charlie
> Dominici (WHAT a voice he had!!) would better fit to DT than LaBrie.
>
Dude, you need a hearing test. I have some old bootlegs when charlie was
singing live and man, he sucked as a frontman and as a singer. I think
labrie definitly fits DTs style. Of course, most of this comes out of
the "when you started likeing dt" in which i start at the beginning of
the iaw era. so that's prolly why i'm more partial to labrie. later
Ed
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:03:51 +0500
From: richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A PLEASANT MOMENT OF MUSIC
Message-ID: <9705131703.AA22421@jason.qc.ca>
I finally got A PLEASANT SHADE OF GRAY and my first listen to it is
GREAT ALBUM.
everybody who likes real rock progressive music
not metal progressive music, have to buy that cd
all the parts are good there is no "commercial stuff" in there
no repeating chorus a la "innocent faded"
with an album like that is sure that is never be on radio station
most part of the song have no chorus like "a change of season"
maybe real fan of FATES WARNING will not like this cd because
i wasn't a fan of FW and i love this cd
thank you FATES God bless you
rj
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:18:29 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: A PLEASANT MOMENT OF MUSIC
Message-ID: <3378A265.3C32@caribe.net>
Richard James wrote:
>
> I finally got A PLEASANT SHADE OF GRAY and my first listen to it is
> GREAT ALBUM.
>
> everybody who likes real rock progressive music
> not metal progressive music, have to buy that cd
>
> all the parts are good there is no "commercial stuff" in there
> no repeating chorus a la "innocent faded"
> with an album like that is sure that is never be on radio station
> most part of the song have no chorus like "a change of season"
> maybe real fan of FATES WARNING will not like this cd because
> i wasn't a fan of FW and i love this cd
>
> thank you FATES God bless you
>
> rj
oh doesnt all the times they say
let nothing bleed into nothing. and blah nothing at all
count as a chorus?
--"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:29:33 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: D-Man Message-ID: <19970513.103147.12286.11.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
Man, I really feel for the guy. I haven't had stones yet but I know people who have and it's absolute hell. Now days they have a laser procedure that can blast the stones, so hopefully his length of time in pain can be minimized.
Scott
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:29:33 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Rush @ Shoreline Message-ID: <19970513.103147.12286.7.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>And when the hell is Queensryche coming to the Bay Area?
I'm not sure if they are. I'm going down to L.A. to see them since they seem like they don't want to come up here.
For anyone up here that wants to see them they'll be at Irvine Meadows on June 25 (my 35th birthday, woohoo!). Let me know if you're gonna go and we can meet and smoke a joint or something :-)
Scott
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:29:33 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Spock's Beard Fans Message-ID: <19970513.103147.12286.6.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
I'm not sure if this was brought up yet, but at the show Sat night they played a couple new tunes and the singer said they were currently mixing the new album. He didn't say when it would be out, but I'm assuming it will be before fall.
Scott
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:29:33 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: QR popularity in a downward spiral? Message-ID: <19970513.103147.12286.10.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
On Tue, 13 May 1997 04:48:14 -0700 (PDT) wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack) writes: >>>The big problem is that QR is on the downward side as far a >>>popularity goes. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >I will have to disagree with the above statement. I have never heard >so >much QR on Dallas radio, even when we had a local Z-Rock affiliate (it >sux that Z-Rock corporate is located in Dallas and we can't hear it!). > >HitNF is doing quite well, from what I can tell. Every QR album since >(and >including) O:M has gone platinum (1 million in sales), and I think >HintNF will keep that string intact.
Well, even though it's been nine years since O:M they've only had three albums, and PL was a horrible seller compared to the juggernaut that was Empire. I hope the new album sells well, I personally love it, but I think it's pretty much disappeared from the charts though. The Album, I mean, not the single.
Scott
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Date: Tue, 13 May 97 13:22:20 EDT From: Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LaBrie's Defense Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.863544140.chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
I totally disagree with some of the negativtiy about JLB. I think he's progressed every album as a singer. A Change of Seasons is THE best progressive rock vocals I have ever heard. JLB has sounded weak live, but recently has gotten better live. It's gotta be hard to sing for DT. IMOH JLB has more raw singing talent than any other prog rock group by far. If you disagree E-mail me privately. C-ya
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:00:36 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Noreaster Message-ID: <199705131800.LAA09476@main.cfmc.com>
>From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) > >It was a great show. The crowd seemed more into it than they >did during the November shows. My gripes: what was the deal >with the lack of lasers during Red Sector A (missed seeing >TFE)? And why the hell did only 1 in 10 (if that) people >know what to do during 2112 overture? I mean, not that big >of a deal, but when the music pauses for a moment and the >lights illuminate the crowd (added to the fact that a few >people were raising their fist into the air at the appropriate >moment) should have caused at least a _few_ people clue in. >Duh! And sorry we missed you after the show Scott. There >will be other shows, oh yes...
Hmmm...I musta been in the Rush veteran section for that show -- seemed like everyone was pretty well into the standard Rush traditions. I did see three of the shows -- at Hospitality Point (man...seeing Rush in a place that small was cool), Devore, and Shoreline. The latter two shows had the better performances, but the San Diego show was very cool, in a funky sort of way.
>And when the hell is Queensryche coming to the Bay Area?
I dunno, but I did notice that they were on the flyers that they were giving out for upcoming shows in San Diego, so I guess they're passing through the general vicinity. Anyone else know the details?
Five Gratutitous CD's: ====================== 1. Rush: Test For Echo 2. Accomplice: Accomplice 3. Lost Souls: Doin' The Modern Mojo 4. Bela Fleck and the Flecktones: Three Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest 5. Tracy Bonham: The Burdens Of Being Upright
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:56:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Randy Haskin <strega1@ix12.ix.netcom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: James bad, Charlie good? Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970513115343.4bd7c528@popd.ix.netcom.com>
>I have the opinion that James LaBrie is definetly the weakest point >in the "art of Dream Theater". Esepecially live he doesn't fit to the >technical brilliance the musicians have. >I think that a singer like Ray Alder, Harry Conklin or Charlie >Dominici (WHAT a voice he had!!) would better fit to DT than LaBrie.
This is a joke, right? James isn't intense enough for the rest of the band live, but Charlie IS?! Somebody please gimme a break
:)
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:31:04 +0000 From: "D. Ryan Whitaker" <godfther@netcom10.netcom.COM> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Atomic Opera Message-ID: <9705131930.AA08887@ccis01.baylor.edu>
A couple weeks ago one of my friends lent me an Atomic Opera CD, and oh man oh man, this is one great CD. It's called _For Madmen Only_, circa 1994. I searched through my past Ytsejams (I have 1000-2545 on disk, though I've been on here since around the 600s) and learned that they have only one CD and that it's outta print, it's really hard to find, and it's really sought-after.
So, that kinda bummed me, because I wanted to buy it. I went to CD Warehouse here in Irving, TX and lo and behold they had a promo copy. The case was all cracked and scratched up, and then I opened it up and the CD looked perfectly new.. no scratches, nothing. So I bought a new jewel case and now it looks like I have a brand new Atomic Opera CD (of course, with the gold print promo warning on the liner)
I heard from the friend that lent it to me that the singer and one of the guitarists are going to be putting out a new CD.. Does anybody have anymore info about them? There's jack on the web about these guys, and it's a pity, because it's one of the best CD buys in my collection. All I know really is that they're closely affiliated with King's X and Galactic Cowboys.
I thoroughly suggest looking out for this CD..
D. Ryan Whitaker - Computer Science, Baylor University http://www.baylor.edu/~David_Whitaker
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Date: Tue, 13 May 97 15:37 EDT From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Antiquities Message-ID: <m0wRNO1-0006RMC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
I believe someone posted an auction for some bootlegs a couple ytsejams ago and one of the items was a replica of Antiquities. The lowest bid was 15 dollars- I'm willing to pay 18 to whoever it was that it trying to auction it off.
Don mcauburn@iinc.com http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784 ...so many times, I tried and failed to gather my courage reach again for that nail, life's been like dragging feet through sand and never finding the promised land.... Queensryche- Promised Land
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:37:20 -0400 (EDT) From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: goodbye for now Message-ID: <970513163522_1954598404@emout19.mail.aol.com>
hey......i'm unsubbing for a while.......if anyone for some reason feels the need to find me, you can send email to the wild koba address. i'll be back here probably around the end of june or so......
parting shots- anyone else get the sign of the times single? i found an import of it that also has a new song, and silent lucidity and killing words from their unplugged set. pretty nifty.
about d-man.......give the boy the mad props. you know he wrecks the ill shit (in laymean terms). yo! PUNKASS!!!! if you read this, i hope your kidneys don't fall off.
alirght, i'm gone. see y'all.
ytsegoon
********************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi binghamton university bd91014@binghamton.edu
"'so speak, i'm right here', she used to say to me not a word, not a word...." -j. petrucci **********************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:36:59 -0500 From: filth <ripzero@inlink.com> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: labrie Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970513203659.0073d838@mail.inlink.com>
> >This is a joke, right? James isn't intense enough for the rest of the band >live, but Charlie IS?! Somebody please gimme a break
i like charlie more. in fact, the whole reason i dont like dt as much any more is because of james. will someone please kick his ass out? its not a joke. why? well.. he's always in canada, doesnt compliment the newer heavier music, gets caught pissing when he should be singing.. and with his voice change on awake he sounds like rob zombie's mom. albeit, he's great at his style, and he was good on I&W, but for the new dt i just dont feel he fits. i dont feel charlie would fit better but he was awesome on WDADU. and whats with james's gasping onstage? "hey <GASP!> out there <GASP!!!> Alright, <GASP> this one kicks <gasp> ass.. this is YTSE <GASP!!!!!> JAM!!!"
i normally would post something like, but i figured with as hostile as everyone gets over someone saying they dont like james, i'd send my warmest retorts.
~Rip
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