YTSEJAM Digest 2548
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Rush traditions?
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
2) Re: Prong (NDTC)
by jeffrey wilson hill <jwhill1@students.uiuc.edu>
3) some _ACTUAL_ DTC! (though very bitty)
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
4) D-man
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
5) Re: original subcon and acoustic dreams trade / angra's holy land fo
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
6) Re: Spock's Beard live
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
7) Stuff
by "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com>
8) Re: KJLB
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
9) James LaBrie
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
10)
by James Bennett <rycher@pacbell.net>
11) LUTES!!!
by "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
12) APSoG
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
13) Mindless Jamming....(NDTC)
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2546
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
15) Spocks Beard mini review
by James Bennett <rycher@pacbell.net>
16) union is gone, biznatches
by filth <ripzero@inlink.com>
17) ALOHA
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
18) Re: APSoG
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
19) Ooops!
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:21:29 -0700
From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Rush traditions?
Message-ID: <199705132121.OAA01631@ichips.intel.com>
>>And why the hell did only 1 in 10 (if that) people
>>know what to do during 2112 overture?
>
>Hmmm...I musta been in the Rush veteran section for that show -- seemed like
>everyone was pretty well into the standard Rush traditions.
Ok, this is an offical request for a clue. What are Rush fans supposed
to do at their concerts?
Portland show tomorrow night! =)
-- Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:26:15 -0500 (CDT) From: jeffrey wilson hill <jwhill1@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Prong (NDTC) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970513162442.18919A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>
Here's another Prong fan...I like 'em a lot even though I get crap for it from my friends. Have you heard anything about a new album from them? As I recall, Rude Awakening came out a while ago.
"Every day sends future to past/Every breath leaves me closer to my last"
"Pull Me Under" Dream Theater
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:32:34 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: some _ACTUAL_ DTC! (though very bitty) Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970513143228.006aeab0@cats.ucsc.edu>
While reading through the June 1997 issue of Keyboard Magazine, specifically the Review section (JP-8000 review! hoo-ray, gonna get me one o those puppies!) There's a review of the Generalmusic Pro2 digital piano. Not a terribly favorable review, but here's the dtc:
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And what did the panel of players have to say about the piano sound of the Pro2? Derek Sherinian of Dream Theater said, "The low end response is slow, but the high end is good. I like the action, it's got a loose feel. Overall, it's a good concept, but it's not quite there yet."
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Well, not much, true, but I told you that already.
__ /\ __ __\/__\/__ ~Chris \_||_/ http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ /__||__\ // \ | \\ "Let nothing bleed into nothing, and did nothing at all" \| Jim Matheos, Fates Warning, "A Pleasant Shade of Gray"
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:00:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: D-man Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970513175918.11534B-100000@bdmserver>
Scott wrote: >Man, I really feel for the guy. I haven't had stones yet but I know >people who have and it's absolute hell. Now days they have a laser >procedure that can blast the stones, so hopefully his length of >time in pain can be minimized.
Yeah, after the laser he still has to pass the smaller pieces. I wonder if he will suffer like Kramer did on Seinfeld...
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:20:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Andrew Miller <subtlerage@subtlerage.com> Subject: Re: original subcon and acoustic dreams trade / angra's holy land fo Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970513181857.29069B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> 1) this may seem like a long shot, but i thought i'd try anyway. i've > got an original subconscious (#044) and acoustic dreams (#408), both > initialed by mike bahr, that i'd be willing to trade for the first two > echolyn cds. not tape dubs, not cd dubs, but the originals.
you know, you-can- order "suffocating the bloom" from dream disc in indiana. as for the first, i'll sll you my TAPE of it, but after paying $50 for the cd, i certainly wouldn't give this echolyn cd up.
* * * * * * * e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania!: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/ offical lemur voice homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
(c) 1997 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:22:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: "Wade J. Womack" <wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com> Subject: Re: Spock's Beard live Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970513182120.29069C-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> >>........The drummer was pretty good....... > ------------------------------------------------ > The drummer, Nick D'Virgilo, is one of 2 session drummers that Genesis is > using on the up-coming, initial post-Collins release. It is slated for earlyfall '97, and is said to be darker and more progressive than the last > several Genesis albums. The new singer, Ray Wilson (formerly of the band > Stiltskin), has a voice that is suited quite well to the older, Gabriel-era > music. > > Here is hoping for a return to previous form (progression by regression?).
the album, entitled "calling all stations" is due out september 2nd. as for the sound of it, don't worry. after listening to tony's last cd (strictly inc., which came out in 1995), it will DEFINATLY be progressive. not as progresive as Super's Ready, mind you, but it will be very progressive.
* * * * * * * e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania!: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/ offical lemur voice homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
(c) 1997 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:39 -0700 (MST) From: "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Stuff Message-ID: <19970513223951.AAA30314@localHost>
I've been observing for about 2 years now, (Maybe more, time flies when you're having sooo much fun). I have two things.
First a question. I have played guitar for about 23 years now and have never ever met a Dimarzio that I like. I had Super D's in an axe a few years ago and I currently have a JPM100P2 (Love the guitar) w/ an Air "Nothing" and a Steve's "Unspecial" and am about ready to switch to Duncan's unless someone can tell me how to get rid of all this squealing and feedback even at relatively low volume levels, (I can get twice the volume out of my current Duncan's w/o feedback). I really like the sounds I get but the feedback really sucks.
Secondly, James may sound a little rough live, but I don't see how anyone could nail all those parts perfectly night after night. As far as fitting with the band IMHO I feel he fits perfectly. No offense to C.D. but I can't even imagine him singing on I & W or Awake or ACOS. And I much prefer JLB on all the stuff I've heard him on from WDADU. I can say I really like Ray Alder on Fate's stuff and Geoff Tate is awesome on QR stuff but to me they all fit where they are. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I think we need to respect the opinion of the band and obviosly their opinion is they like James and they all deserve our continued support.
Later
eD
P.S. anyone with ideas on quieting my Dimarzios please E-mail me, Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:47:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: KJLB Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970513184259.6947B-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
My GOD!!! I can't believe all this ripping. I mean, power to the people for opinions for Christ's sake, but... I can't immagine not liking KJLB. I'm, of course, an az-player. before I got into it though, I heard DT. I love JP and his shredding, but I listen to DT at least half because of the amazing singing and what Kevin gave to them. I think Space Dye Vest is one of my favorite songs of all time and it's all Kevin and James. His voice gives me chills when he does that melisma on IF and when he sings Silent Man. And, on all of the live material I've heard, he nocks out any other singer I've heard, especially Tait, and including all others. Sorry. I really do respect oppinions, but I just can't fathom the amount of distaste for, IMHO, the awsomest rock singer to date. Be well. Matt B
"See the blind man shooting at the world. Bullets flying, taking toll." (Deep Purple, Sweet Child in Time)
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Date: Tue, 13 May 97 19:17 EDT From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: James LaBrie Message-ID: <m0wRQpC-000AwPC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
Yes, I think that James LaBrie should be thrown out- forced to sing in Warrant and Dream Theater should recruit Axl Rose for vocals.
Seriously, though, I think James is a great singer (of course, I never have heard him live) but Images And Words and A Change Of Seasons was great. The reason, in my opinion, that Awake wasn't as great was because they took a more mainstream metal approach. I just can't hear the alternative in it like people say nor the White Zombie vocals. Listen to a Bush or Silverchair CD, then listen to Awake and I think you'll find it is not alternative.
Don mcauburn@iinc.com http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784 ...so many times, I tried and failed to gather my courage reach again for that nail, life's been like dragging feet through sand and never finding the promised land.... Queensryche- Promised Land
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:27:44 -0700 From: James Bennett <rycher@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970513162742.006a7f18@pacbell.net>
>I finally got A PLEASANT SHADE OF GRAY and my first listen to it is > GREAT ALBUM. > > everybody who likes real rock progressive music > not metal progressive music, have to buy that cd
>all the parts are good there is no "commercial stuff" in there >no repeating chorus a la "innocent faded"
I think you mean "Innocence Faded", couple things here- first Innocence Faded was not a big commercial hit, most of the sheep in the world can't get into a song this far over their head- second, I think the chorus to Innocence Faded is amazing and the song is AWESOME!!!!
>with an album like that is sure that is never be on radio station >most part of the song have no chorus like "a change of season" It's "A Change Of Season(s)" and if you are trying to say ACOS has commercial potential on the radio or anywhere else- you need to get half a clue.
Look, I like the new Fates too man, but it is not real cool to come into the Dream Theater group and bag on their songs, you know what I mean? You won't make a lot of friends, but- hey I do respect your right to express your opinion, however completely wrong it may be. Peace
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:03:44 PDT From: "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LUTES!!! Message-ID: <199705140003.RAA10621@f42.hotmail.com>
hey, with all this talk about 8-string guitars, has anyone ever heard of an electric lute? The lute is a great instrument, and I would love to find a solidbody version. If anybody knows anything about it, let me know.... laterz 'n stuff, kevin hammer ------------------------------------------------------ "I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit "And I swear that I dont have a gun." Kurt Cobain ------------------------------------------------------ Visit the world of Tufif 'de Siks http://www.getaway.net/khammer/
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 19:14:17 -0400 From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: APSoG Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970513191410.0081f950@ionsys.com>
> everybody who likes real rock progressive music > not metal progressive music, have to buy that cd
Keep in mind folks, that this is only one opinion. Personally, I think APSoG is a fine album, but I would not call it a "masterpiece" or the best thing since I&W, the way some have. As I mentioned before, it certainly has some strong parts, but I think there are also several very weak parts.
I would suggest listening to the samples from this album that are up on various web sites before buying it if you're not a huge Fates fan who absolutely has to have the album. If you cream yourself when you hear the clips and have to have the album, then get it. I personally found the clips I heard to be the best stuff on the album, and I found when I listened to the rest of the album that there wasn't really much else there. But that's only my opinion.
The only reason I'm mentioning this, is that I've seen Jammers go crazy over some new band/album/whatever that happens to be a lot like DT. But many Jammers have gone out and bought the albums because of all the hype and been disappointed. On the other hand, a lot of people also discover great new bands after reading the recommendations of people on this list. I've discovered great bands like Fates (I happen to love the band, but APSoG didn't live up to the hype for me), Shadow Gallery, and so on because of this list. But I've also gone out and bought CDs by bands such as Ivanhoe and Echolyn that I later regretted buying.
So I hope people will realize that everyone has their own opinion so we don't get into flame wars every time one person goes crazy about a new album, and someone else comes on and says "I hate it".
>all the parts are good there is no "commercial stuff" in there >no repeating chorus a la "innocent faded" >with an album like that is sure that is never be on radio station
True, but what does that have to do with whether it's a good album or not? I have to wonder if some people actually listen to progressive rock for the music, or just to be different.
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:52:18 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mindless Jamming....(NDTC) Message-ID: <199705140052.RAA07815@odin.ax.com>
> know what to do during 2112 overture? I mean, not that big > of a deal, but when the music pauses for a moment and the > lights illuminate the crowd (added to the fact that a few > people were raising their fist into the air at the appropriate > moment) should have caused at least a _few_ people clue in.
Sort of like my friend and I being the only to shout "Take Hold" at the appropriate time at the Boisw QR show. Too bad it wasn't taped, or you could distinctively hear Matt and I belch it out solo over the crowd. :)
> Sera' que voce^ estaria interessado em trocar copias de coisas do > Dream Theater? Eu gostaria de obter uma copia dos videos que voce^ > tem (voce^ teria alguma lista das suas coisas em alguma pagina?).
Uh, 2 Seven Layer Burritos, no guacamole and no tomatoes, and a large order of mexi-nuggets, dude. :)
> Hey, knucklebutt, I _DID_ send it to the guy, as well. Thanks > for the "lesson." Besides, it's "you and _I_."
unsubscribe ytsejam ---KorgX3
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 19:47:54 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2546 Message-ID: <19970513235411.AAA29650@ernst-d>
> Sera' que voce^ estaria interessado em trocar copias de coisas do > Dream Theater? Eu gostaria de obter uma copia dos videos que voce^ tem > (voce^ teria alguma lista das suas coisas em alguma pagina?). >
Pero si tu hablas brasileno, y el portugues... como se pueden entender?
sorry, bad joke:)
> I have the opinion that James LaBrie is definetly the weakest point > in the "art of Dream Theater". Esepecially live he doesn't fit to the > technical brilliance the musicians have. > I think that a singer like Ray Alder, Harry Conklin or Charlie > Dominici (WHAT a voice he had!!) would better fit to DT than LaBrie. >
Ok here's the deal.... let's compare using 'The Killing Hand'.
Here's JLB singing the last line:
"I am the killing HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAHHHH!!! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
he says it like he means it. It's a point. He *is* the Killing Hand. Case closed.
Now here's CD: "I am the killing haaaaaaaaaaand." "yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!" ok,he doesn't say "yay', but when you compare....
but anyways, it's more like "I know I'm saying I'm the killing hand, but that doesn't actually *mean* that I actually *am* the killing hand. I'm just singing what Mr. Petrucci here told me to sing . I didn't kill anyone in the valley, man, look over there; they're stiil alive! You must be confusing me w/ Another Hand, etc..."
thankyouverymuch Ernie
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:04:30 -0700 From: James Bennett <rycher@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Spocks Beard mini review Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970513180428.00693730@pacbell.net>
>>Just a quick review of the Spock's Beard show in Fremont, CA on 5/10...... >>........The drummer was pretty good.......
Ummm, Hellfuckinglo?? Sorry, but this I cannot let this go just like that. I was at the show too, and while the drummer was damn good- the rest of the band was amazing.
One of the best concerts I have been to in quite a while, they played for a good 2 hours or more and the music was excellent. The sound was astounding, especially considering the "venue". Highlights were the totally Squire influenced bass player, the keyboards, and the singer. The vocal harmonies of "June" were outstanding. The singer also plays a mean guitar and keyboards as well. He played some awesome spanish style licks to complement the lead guitarists echo drenched solos.
What sets Spocks Beard apart from many other bands is the songwriting, which is first rate. The tunes, while proggy as hell, also have hooks that run through your head for days and are not sappy commercial drivel.
Highly recommended- check them out. Beware of Darkness and the Light are two of the best prog cds I have heard in years.
James
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 20:38:18 -0500 From: filth <ripzero@inlink.com> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: union is gone, biznatches Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970514013818.006fb288@mail.inlink.com>
well, i just fired off union today, and got temple of the dog in return. upon current listening i have determined this is an amazing disc. old crap can get you some great shit. one mans rags/another's riches. woot! talk still up for grabs
~Rip
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:43:14 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ALOHA Message-ID: <19970513.154601.12286.14.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
Hi,
I'm unsubbinng for a while because the old ball & chain (aka my wife) and I are going to Hawaii on Vacation. If you need to reach me please email me privately and as soon as I get back to town I'll return your mail.
Aloha!
Scott
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 23:55:36 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: APSoG Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970513235125.1287A-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Tue, 13 May 1997, Lars Hellsten wrote:
> I would suggest listening to the samples from this album that are up on > various web sites before buying it if you're not a huge Fates fan who > absolutely has to have the album.
Can someone send me some addresses of people that have put samples from this album? I'm really curious as many of you know it and I have never heard anything by Fates Warning. And could you recommend something by them (what are their best album)? Any comparison with Dream Theater? What style of songs do they play? Progressive Rock? Melodic Heavy Metal? Nothing that I have said?
Thanks in advance for any answer to this flood of questions, Roger...
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 23:58:12 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ooops! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970513235601.1287B-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Tue, 13 May 1997, Ernesto Schnack wrote:
> > Sera' que voce^ estaria interessado em trocar copias de coisas do > > Dream Theater? Eu gostaria de obter uma copia dos videos que voce^ tem > > (voce^ teria alguma lista das suas coisas em alguma pagina?). > > > > Pero si tu hablas brasileno, y el portugues... como se pueden entender? > > sorry, bad joke:)
Well, I have only realised that I have sent this message to the list after I have received my own post. Oooops! How I wish I could have deleted that.
Mea Culpa, Roger...
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