YTSEJAM Digest 2555
Today's Topics:
1) Yngwie
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
2) Spastic Ink (WATCHTOWER).......
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
3) Keiji Nishihara
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
4) Replies, humor, summer, shirts, Merlo
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
5) Clockwork CD
by "Anthony N. Sciamanna" <st96d6z4@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
6) 5th element
by filth <ripzero@inlink.com>
7) Re: KJLB
by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
8) Re: Gwen, 'Ryche, Bahr CDs
by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
9) YKYADTFW...
by "Dave Neff" <dneff@maaco.com>
10) Re: KJLB
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
11) absolutely fabulous
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
12) Opinions
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
13) crue - quarternary
by filth <ripzero@inlink.com>
14) quickie on mr james
by filth <ripzero@inlink.com>
15) Manowar mp3's
by rbeall@fdldotnet.com (Grim88)
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2546
by luis vargas <vargas20@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
17) Help me. I'm starving.
by Jonathan Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
18) thoughts about mainstream band hating
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2554
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:57:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Yngwie
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970515165319.12413A-100000@bdmserver>
I thought Seventh Sign was great and was really disappointed by Magnum
Opus. I thought Vescera's voice was great on SS but dont know why I dont
care for MO. It could be Vescera or yngwie's fault.
Anyone who says labrie is cheese needs to get his head examined...
I see Al B has tons of time to post but not send tapes. Go figure...
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:09:50 -0400
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Spastic Ink (WATCHTOWER).......
Message-ID: <337B7B9E.3B7A@earthlink.net>
> I know a long time back on here, there was talk of a
> band called Watchtower.....My question is, what would
> be the best comparison of Watchtower to a band that I
> would know...........
>
YES! The band that possesses an infinite amount of time changes..enough
to make that girl in "The Exorcist" dizzy!
I just found (literally..about 25 min. ago) a website for SPASTIC INK,
the new band of former WATCHTOWER odd-time shred god Ron Jarzombek. Its
a great site because he explains what happened to WATCHTOWER and why a
third album never materialized.
Plus, I downloaded a bunch of .WAV files from the newly released CD "Ink
Complete" and it was soooooooooooooooooo good. Enough to convince me to
order the CD right there on the spot. Can't wait!!!!!!!!!!
Here's the URL..highly recommended for ANY fan of insanely insane
prog-metal!
http://pw1.netcom.com/~ronjarz/index.html
This guy rules!!!
cheers,
Carlo (aka Fates, aka YtseSatan)
--
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"When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __|
maybe then you'll begin to understand | |
Life down here is just a strange illusion." | |
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--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"
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Date: 15 May 97 14:14:52 -0700
From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Keiji Nishihara
Message-ID: <199705152128.OAA10781@mailseq4.us.oracle.com>
>-Keiji Nishihara
> Doshisha Uni. Electric/Electronic Material Lab. Semiconductor ARRAY
> KYOTO JAPAN
This must be some automated musical encyclopedia service... This guy knows
EVERYTHING!!! Jeez..
cheers,
-Neil.
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:37:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Replies, humor, summer, shirts, Merlo
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970515162608.23461A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
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Well, the semester ends tomorrow. I'll be leaving Mizzou for the summer,
possibly not to come back in the fall. Looks like I'll be finishing up my
college career at UMSL in St Louis.
Once MU realizes that I'm not registered, they will most likely delete my
cclabs and showme accounts. Therefore if you need to reach me, you can do
so at shadow@devnull.cc.missouri.edu or gabbo@digital.dreamt.org until I
get another address.
Don't worry, before I leave for home, I'll be sure to set my account to
autoreply to every message and then 'forget' to unsubscribe from the jam.
As for tshirts, please remember to send the checks to my St Louis address,
or I'll probably never see them.
I'm hoping the best for Chris Merlo, and I hope that his pain passes
quickly. My condolences to his friends and family who feel obligated to
visit him in the hospital and hear him bitch and moan. :)
End of the semester sale: One (1) Sarcasm Detector. $5 OBO.
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:39:20 -0500
From: "Anthony N. Sciamanna" <st96d6z4@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Clockwork CD
Message-ID: <v03007804afa140adb2ac@DialupEudora>
If any of you are interested in getting the new Clockwork cd, it is now
available. For ordering details check the web page's events section or
e-mail me.
***********************************
* Anthony Sciamanna *
* Drums and Percussion *
* CLOCKWORK *
* st96d6z4@post.drexel.edu *
* http://www.netti.fi/~japi/ *
* *
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:39:04 -0500
From: filth <ripzero@inlink.com>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: 5th element
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970515213904.00742e08@mail.inlink.com>
this movie did rock, the only thing i didnt like was its udder (moo)
predictability. upon first glimpse of the trailors for this flick and saw
the shot of leeloo running around in that weird outfit that she seemed to be
centered on i said "5th- its gotta be her or love" how i groaned when i
found out i was right. COME ON. the only cool thing was this guy was
making fun of it and laughed when bruce said "i love you" real loud that
made it all worth it, totally ruined the "moment" :) aside from that,
everything about this flick rocked.. well worth the cash
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:55:37 -0400
From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: KJLB
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970515175536.00695094@mindspring.com>
>Space Dye Vest is one of my favorite songs of all time and it's all Kevin
and James.
>His voice gives me chills when he does that melisma on IF and when he sings
>Silent Man. And, on all of the live material I've heard, he nocks out any
>other singer I've heard, especially Tait, and including all others.
>Sorry.
Had to reply to this after a few hundred Jams of lurking. :) I've been a
HEAVY DUTY LaBrie supporter for the past few years, but recently, I'm sorry
to say, I just can't do it anymore. I agree that he's amazing on the
albums, tho' I don't like some of his gurgling on the "heavy" parts of
Awake, but live is another story. Virtually anyone can make something
sound excellent when he's perfectly rested and has as many takes (plus a
bit of editing during production) as he needs in a studio setting. So,
IMO, the true indicator of a great vocalist (and any musician for that
matter) is in the live setting. I've got about 30 DT boots from the
various album tours. Most of I&W he was superb. The Milan, Italy (11/93)
show is an excellent example. He hits everything and sounds wonderful.
Unfortunately, I haven't heard him do a show of that calibre in over three
years. Most of the Awake tour that I have (about 7 shows) are all very
inconsistent. He'll be great on certain songs during a show but then
really crap out later. Forget about singing TTT, PMU, or even UAGM like he
used to. When they did their Home for the Holidays "tour" they had been
off the road for months, only played a few shows, and he just wasn't up to
the standards I set for a professional vocalist. He was bearable at the
Birch Hill show (12/29) but was embarassing at the El-N-Gee (12/30) show.
I've stopped trying to convert people to DT fans b/c they see all the live
stuff I have and then wanna hear it. They hear how badly LaBrie sounds and
get instantly turned off. Very honestly, if I had the consistency problems
he does, I would have retired by now. Even on the covers section of the
ACOS album his vocal work is redone in the studio (ala Kiss) 'cuz he was
terrible at the actual Ronnie Scott's show. And what about the Japanese
Pay Per View show (1/95)? Made me cringe through 80% of the show. I
realize he was very sick at that show, but I refuse to believe he's got
that 3 year flu that's been going around. :) Sorry to bitch this long,
but I've just become frustrated, as I'm sure the band members get, when
they play at insane levels every single night and James drags them way down
at least two out of every four shows. I'm surprised he's still with them,
actually. Comments always welcome, but no flames please. Thanks...
Adam
http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Adam's bootlist (not complete, but close)
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 18:07:03 -0400
From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Gwen, 'Ryche, Bahr CDs
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970515180701.00695168@mindspring.com>
> Actually, I'll give any good artist their due and rag on any bad
> performance I see fit. Every time I hear KJLB sing "I think it's tim
> efor a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaange!!" during TTT (LATM) I cringe just the
> same as when I happen to be tortured by Dwen in "Don't Speak." But at
> least James' was live..she was in the damn studio and STILL got it
> wrong.
I've got a good idea why you had problems with the LATM version of TTT.
It's because TTT wasn't on the LATM CD. :) Mike Bahr released the UAGM
from the LATM outtakes on Antiquities I bleeve, but I haven't seen or heard
TTT from that show being on any boot. :) Take care...
Adam
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 18:19:46 -0400
From: "Dave Neff" <dneff@maaco.com>
To: "The Non-DT Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YKYADTFW...
Message-ID: <199705152219.PAA06991@odin.ax.com>
... your grocery receipt lists a "DT SNACK PACK" and it takes you
five minutes of thinking and a trip to the garbage can before you
figure out that in the real world it's a DieT snack pack, aka
vegetable sushi roll. :)
So anyway, look for me at the Camden Rush show, the Mann QR show
(row 16), and the Electric Factory Motorhead show (June 7).
Everybody wear your ytse like I'll be, and don't be afraid to say hi!
- Dave (dneff@maaco.com)
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 18:21:56 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: KJLB
Message-ID: <337B8C84.5958@caribe.net>
Adam wrote:
> I haven't heard him do a show of that calibre in over three
> years.
one thing.. get fix for 96 boots... IMO he is excellent on them... hits
every note as it it...but dont take my word for it...listen to em
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur.
The risk to survival is severe."
Ian Malcolm
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 18:33:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: absolutely fabulous
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970515142347.8519A-100000@choplifter.rs.itd.umich.edu>
no, i ain't talking 'bout those loud, big-haired (funny as hell) brit
chicks......just a few books and an album I've been lis'nin to lately....
Books: The Green Mile by Stephen King......it's a serial with six
parts to it, each released a month apaprt last year.....
since i finally got around to it this year, i checked all six out of a
library at one shot.....as usual per King, there's a decent sized set-up
period, but once the guy gets going, HOLY.....
It's life on death row for a guard guarding a litle french dude with a
cool mouse for a pet, a huge dumb guy with magic in his hands and a crazy
teenager, and a real asshole of a guard and King whips it up into one hell
of a tale.....
Album: Absolutely by Rik Emmett (hence the subject)
Emmett's solo stuff has been mentioned on the jam previously, but it
wasn't the reason i picked it up....i got it because it was the only
artist i recognized in the cd/tape bin at the 99 cent store i was
at.......you know how it's mandatory to look thru the cut-out/cheap bins,
because more often than not they'll have somethihng in there that
shouldn't be? well, this is one of those cases...really enjoying this
album.....doesn't have any of those crazycool solos folks were arguing
about earlier this week, but it does have some solid, enjoyable songs.....
and it has the song "the big lie" which was one of my favorites of the
late 80s/early 90s.....funny thing, i didn't check the song list when i
grabbed the album, because i didn't expect to recognize any of the
songs....but there are 2 or 3 that made radio way back
when.....remember a song called "saved by love"?
anyway, those are my two little recommendations for today.....
partha
oh btw....hail to the victors! Michigan wolverines, big ten baseball AND
softball champs! (and i just got back from watching baseball win their
first game in the big ten tournament....
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 19:32:43 -0400
From: Dave <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Opinions
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970515193243.0068afac@ee.net>
Welp, I said I wasnt gonna do it this time, but since we're
all spouting opinions here :) .....
LaBrie fucking RULES.
It makes me wanna throw up in my email box when I see
people, ESPECIALLY on the Jam, talking shit about him.
I could go into explaining WHY I think he is the best
singer tailor made for Dream Theater, but I'd only be telling
two kinds of people: those that already know, and those
that lick monkey balls. (i think scientists have actually
found a connection between people who can't sing themselves
and people who lick monkey balls)
I know it's not like me to be so rude,
but it's even more rude to talk shit about someone who
reads this list, but because of his "celebrity" profile
cannot post here in his own defense. If ya wanna dog James,
why dont you start your own hate mail list somewhere else.
Give it a fucking rest.
buster
http://users1.ee.net/buster
http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 18:49:14 -0500
From: filth <ripzero@inlink.com>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: crue - quarternary
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970515234914.0071e6b0@mail.inlink.com>
ok, i'm just curious as to if anyone wants to part with crue's quarternary
disc or knows somewhere they can pick it up for me and i can send them the
cash. pleeez mail me. thats it, laterz!
generation swine, i wanna hear you squeaaaaal!!
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 19:02:00 -0500
From: filth <ripzero@inlink.com>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: quickie on mr james
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970516000200.007435c4@mail.inlink.com>
>
>It makes me wanna throw up in my email box when I see
>people, ESPECIALLY on the Jam, talking shit about him.
i'm not in opposition to your opinion here dave, i dont want to step on any
toes, the reason for my post about him was not out of a true hatred for the
guy or a "mis placement" in DT.. i dont disrespect anyone, but what gets me
is some of the hypocrisy here. its fine to rip on mr chuck d. but someone
bad mouths james, and its all hell to pay. as a charles fan i get sick of
it, so i dissed it back the other way. i'm tired of trying to explain why i
think all this bickering of opinions and saying other artists suck is dumb,
i've been bitching it out for a long time, i figured taking the opposite
turrent and putting some firepower may at least kick a few balls and put a
smile on my face, if anything ;)
i still DO question james's position in the current band, and as previously
stated, i thought he rocked ass on I&W. i dont think he's bad or degraded,
just not complimenting the current DT optimally. i have yet to see someone
on this list say james blatantly sucks. i think we're all entitled to our
opinions on DTs vocalists, as any dominici hater would agree i'm sure, and
while i'm not claiming james sucks, not claiming he's "ruining the music",
not claiming dominici would be better for the current lineup, not claiming i
want to rip his spine out his ear lobe and insert cockroaches, simply
claiming someone else might be interesting to see in the drivers seat, i
think the main problem with this debate is people cant accept some people
are in slight opposition to james's vocal style. just my opinions.. death
threats are welcome.
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 20:25:12 -0500
From: rbeall@fdldotnet.com (Grim88)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Manowar mp3's
Message-ID: <199705160125.UAA29438@fdl.fdldotnet.com>
>
>Does anyone know where I can get Manowar mp3's?
no mp3's, but I have all their CD's but one, whihc i will get when i have
9.99 to space, so i can make .wav's for you if you wish. Email me if yoru
interested
.
Ryan Beall aka: Grim88
rbeall@fdl.fdldotnet.com
grim88@hotmail.com
grim@somethingorother.com
http://members.tripod.com/~Grim88/index.html
"Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall through an open
sewer and die." - Mel Brooks
"The world is a joke, and humanity is the punchline." - Kobal, Demon Prince
of Dark Humor
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 21:39:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: luis vargas <vargas20@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: rutar64@matrix.newpaltz.edu (sid rutar)
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2546
Message-ID: <199705160139.VAA11458@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
42
that is the answer
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:39:42 -0400
From: Jonathan Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Help me. I'm starving.
Message-ID: <337BC8EE.DCB@net1plus.com>
Has DT actually started recording yet? I thought I heard someone
mention that the start date was this past Monday. I hope the birth of
MP's daughter didn't cause any delay at all (although who could blame
him if it did). I guess it would just be reassuring knowing that shit's
already going down in the studio.
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:17:52 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: thoughts about mainstream band hating
Message-ID: <19970516022125.AAB15460@ernst-d>
> Okay, here's a quick thought, why does everyone want to hate a
> mainstream band?
Most fans of non-mainstream music (for example DT's) usually feel a little
jealousy towards other performers who hit it big, while their music (which
in their minds is the best music there is) don't. This usually ends up in
complaining about how such-and-such band doesn't deserve that fame because
they are not even close to the awesomeness of *our* band, and we (i'll
start using 'we' because I used to think that way too) usually blame the
fact that our band hasn't made it on MTV and radio. Of course this is the
point of view taken by most people in most situations in life: blame
somebody else. But the reason DT's music hasn't been so succesful yet is
not because of MTV, it's because of DT's music. The music which dominates
MTV is the music that most of today's youth relates to. Music has always
been a reflection of society. MTV doesn't 'decide' what's gonna be played;
they see what the kids like and then exploit it, because after all, they
have to make money.
And remember that when I&W came out, PMU got a fair amount of radio and
video airplay; enough to make DT very popular if everybody had liked it
But the apparently not so many people seemed to be so attracted to it. But
at least it attracted enough attention so that DT could make a decent
living from their music and have a loyal fanbase. Be content with that.
DT seems to.
As a final note, remember that time the guitarist from Blind Melon bashed
DT on a guitar mag? Rember how JP responded? Now next time a person
decides to bash the #1 act of the month, they should think about who they
sound more like.
All this wrapped up in a nice, big, juicy IMHO
-----------------------QUOTES WORTH MENTIONING---------------------
"EGOTIST,n. A person of low taste, more interested in himself
than in me." -Ambrose Bierce, 'The Devil's Dictionary'
Ernesto Schnack
ernie@pananet.com
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:01:03 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2554
Message-ID: <19970516030543.AAA16709@ernst-d>
> >> And stage presence shouldn't even be considered. Music was meant
> >> to be HEARD.
>
> Ugh. Wrong. Stage presence is definitely a significant part of the
> live experience. The visual experience, which includes stage presence,
> is what differentiates a live show form sitting in front of your
> Woodstock sized speakers in the confines of your home.
Ugh. Wrong?? The difference between listening to a CD thru 'woodstock sized
speakers' and going to a live concert is the fact that it's live. A CD or
any recorded medium could not capture all the energy that is felt in the
live expierinece... much less if it was recorded in the studio. *However*
visual experiences can add a special touch t a live performance, but at the
same time, it takes away from what one hears. Your mind can only pay so
much attention to all the diiferent information coming in through the
senses.
A concert is a special moment.. It's a moment where you listen to the
music as pure as you'll ever hear it. It is also a moment in time that will
never be repeated again in which the performer and the audience are
connected thru music. And all beacause of what you HEAR. The fan hears
music that he likes, responds to it in some way (applauds, screams), the
performer hears this and reacts to it by becoming more inspired in what
he's playing, etc..In fact, if I didn't have to worry about all the ppl
shoving by and the resident propellor head always whipping his hair in my
face, I'd gladly shut my eyes in the next concert I go to.
> Think about it. If JM dressed in pink tights and waltzed around the
> stage blowing kisses to the audience, would it be the same ??
Well JM surely wouldn't be the same, but if he plays what and how he always
plays. the MUSIC wil be the same, and that's what I care about.
-----------------------QUOTES WORTH MENTIONING---------------------
"EGOTIST,n. A person of low taste, more interested in himself
than in me." -Ambrose Bierce, 'The Devil's Dictionary'
Ernesto Schnack
ernie@pananet.com
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