YTSEJAM Digest 2556
Today's Topics:
1) JLB and the audiences
by "Paul Matthews" <J6865644@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au>
2) Just a Reply
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
3) Well.....
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
4) Vicious Rumors, Nevermore
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
5) TESLA and a few DT related notes.....
by JE78674@ltu.edu
6) Re: Just a Reply
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
7) 1st Post
by "DJW" <DJW_at_NEON@smtpgate.walker.com>
8) Watchtower!!
by "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
9) VOTE FOR "A PLEASANT SHADE OF GRAY"!!!
by "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
10) Kevin's kooky auction kontinues!
by Kevin Villines <kvill@flash.net>
11) Re: IF I RAN A CONCERT...I'd concert in the morning :)
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
12) watchtower
by Chip Alexander <tca.sdi@ix.netcom.com>
13) Wrong discography :(
by svjohnson@amoco.com
14) Re: VOTE FOR "A PLEASANT SHADE OF GRAY"!!!
by "Lauren Glenn" <LGlenn@quadnet.net>
15) Bach
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
16) No doubt!
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
17) Edwin Dare
by "Robin L. Campbell" <campbell@str.com>
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:06:24 +1000
From: "Paul Matthews" <J6865644@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: JLB and the audiences
Message-ID: <1802CF4DFA@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au>
Hey ppls,
Tell me why JLB was argues with ppl in the audience. I wouldn't
know. I live in Aust.
Paul
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 01:12:36 -0400
From: Dave <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: ripzero@inlink.com
Subject: Just a Reply
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970516011236.00692f60@ee.net>
First, let me say I appreciate Rip's response to my post,
he handled it well...I'm sure there are some others on the
way I should be worried about though <G>
>>Buster Wrote:
>>It makes me wanna throw up in my email box when I see
>>people, ESPECIALLY on the Jam, talking shit about him.
>~Rip Wrote:
>i'm not in opposition to your opinion here dave, i dont want to step on any
>toes, the reason for my post about him was not out of a true hatred for the
>guy or a "mis placement" in DT.. i dont disrespect anyone, but what gets me
>is some of the hypocrisy here. its fine to rip on mr chuck d. but someone
>bad mouths james, and its all hell to pay. as a charles fan i get sick of
>it, so i dissed it back the other way.
'snip'...
Rip, an old "cliche" for you: "two wrongs dont make a right"
What do I mean by that? Well, personally I dont like a certain
singer you mentioned, BUT you never have, and you will NEVER hear
me putting him down in ANY WAY on this list. AND, by the same token,
I ESCPECIALLY don't see any reason why ragging on another certain
singer as a defense is going to help anything.
It pisses me off to see anyone ragging on EITHER of them
in the Jam. Both vocalists have done something special for
us, and how are some people repaying them? By slinging shit
about them in a place where they are defenseless.
>Rip Wrote:
>i still DO question james's position in the current band, and as previously
>stated, i thought he rocked ass on I&W. i dont think he's bad or degraded,
>just not complimenting the current DT optimally.
I respect your opinion, and I know you have a right to say it.
I guess I just wish people would talk about the more positive
feelings they have about the band members here.
I totally agree with you about the hypocracy thing happening,
and it doesnt bother me when people talk shit about other bands
on this list, but it does bother me when people say negative things
about anyone in DT (past or present members). Everyone in that band
has brought us something special, and some of them read this list.
I think it's a really shitty way to thank them by criticizing their
work, here among their fans. The music industry does enough DT dissing
by their lack of support for bands like them. I'd like to be able to
see the Jam as a place where we give them each credit.
buster
http://users1.ee.net/buster
http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 01:37:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Well.....
Message-ID: <199705160537.BAA26183@acmez.gatech.edu>
> but I've just become frustrated, as I'm sure the band members get, when
> they play at insane levels every single night and James drags them way
> down at least two out of every four shows. I'm surprised he's still
> with them, actually.
Don't you think that if the rest of the band truly felt this way they
would indeed get rid of him? As I'm sure you're well aware, DT
historically has little tolerance for singers they don't like(Chris
Collins and Charlie Dominici ring any bells?) They discarded them both and
then spent years looking for KJLB. He's been with them for at least six
years now, and doesn't seem to be going anywhere. From my point of view,
the band certainly doesn't seem to be exhibiting this frustration that
you've pinned on them. Now if it's directed at the record label, that's
a whole other matter...... ;)
Just a comment.
Eric
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:38:00 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Vicious Rumors, Nevermore
Message-ID: <v03007800afa1affc59f8@[128.178.99.38]>
> Virgin Steele
> Omen
> Vicious Rumors (they have a new singer!!)
In fact, not a new singer, but the guitarist took the job....and it sucks
> Psychotic Waltz (three hours of great music...)
> Kamelot
> Iced Earth
> Nevermore
Nevermore rules. Dane's vox are really trademark, here.
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and suddenly, it washed away"
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b a s s & h a r m o n y
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IRC : DaveKing
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 02:41:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: JE78674@ltu.edu
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: TESLA and a few DT related notes.....
Message-ID: <01IIX6K9NCZM8ZFHBL@LTU.EDU>
Hi Jammers, I was just wondering if there were any other TESLA fans on this
list besides myself. I always felt they were a band that was never as
greatly appreciated as they should have been (IMO). I know they have been
split up for about a year now, so chances are we will not hear anymore
from the boys...it's too bad, a talented band just being lost in the
shuffle of today's music......
Anyway, I was listening to SONG & EMOTION and came up with a thought....
Our dear DT does such an excellent job of doing cover songs, that I think
this song would be a candidate for them to do. I don't know, the song
has a lot of variety, and with two guitar players in TESLA, that would
mean JP and Derick could play an excellent jam together...and (IMO) Jeff
Keith does a few great vocal ranges in his singing, so KJLB would feel
right at home.....
Well, it is just a thought. Let me know if any of you like TESLA too!
Later,
Jeff E.
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 01:16:55 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Just a Reply
Message-ID: <199705160717.AAA12298@odin.ax.com>
> >Rip Wrote:
> >i still DO question james's position in the current band, and as previously
> >stated, i thought he rocked ass on I&W. i dont think he's bad or degraded,
> >just not complimenting the current DT optimally.
>
> I respect your opinion, and I know you have a right to say it.
> I guess I just wish people would talk about the more positive
> feelings they have about the band members here.
Actually, if you actually had a good talk (IRC Chat) with Rip I think
you would be more able to understand his point of view. Rip's idea
is that the band is heading in a new direction that it might be
difficult for James to keep up. I can understand that. They seem to
be (from the reviews I've been hearing)getting more aggresive and
heavier. Although I really like James singing ability, it would just
seem inappropriate for the guy to be singing like Barney (Napalm
Death). I douby it's going that far (yet) but James' style is more
operatic than shitgrowl. I still don't think it's fair for anyone to
judge James' singing ability prior to the releaste of the new album,
rhen we'll see how it will all work out.
Frankly, as long as James keeps slippin' his butt into those tight
leather pants I don't care how long he stays in the band. That's
what it's all about ain't it? :)
Nuff said...
---KorgX3
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Date: Fri, 16 May 97 09:12:37 PDT
From: "DJW" <DJW_at_NEON@smtpgate.walker.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 1st Post
Message-ID: <9704168637.AA863771604@smtpgate.walker.com>
Hi,
I've been reading the Jams for months now but this is my first post
- I got into DT after hearing them do a couple of tracks live in a
studio on BBC Radio1 in the UK. They played 6:00 and Caught in a Web
(I think) - they blew my head off completely and the next day I bought
Awake which still remains my fave. There's a definite feel throughout
the whole of the album and there are certain sections that I just fall
into and never want to leave.
My favourite DT track though is ACOS - the lyrics are very deep and
mean a lot to me - I have 2 young kids and I'm of the age where
Grandparents are just starting to pass away - it is a very uplifting
song! It also has some killer riffs!
Thats it really...
Stay cool!
Dave (A UKJammer).
(And hey - Stop flamming James - he's the dogs bollox).
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:47:49 100
From: "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Watchtower!!
Message-ID: <1B3A20E569B@jurs1.jura.uni-osnabrueck.de>
Hi!
Well, describing Watchtower is very hard.
Maybe you know the band INNER STRENGTH, but they are not so complex
as Watchtower!
Watchtower played a kind of music that could be decribed as "Jazz-
Metal".
Michael
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:06:34 100
From: "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: VOTE FOR "A PLEASANT SHADE OF GRAY"!!!
Message-ID: <1B3F2390F0F@jurs1.jura.uni-osnabrueck.de>
Hi Fates-Fans!!
If you are really a fan of the best band in the world and especially
of their new fantastic album "A Pleasant Shade Of Gray" then you have
to surf to the following adress:
http://www.cs.uit.no/Music/X/ViewAlb?alb_id=12219
There you can vote for the album!!
I am the only person till now (I voted 10/10) and I'm waiting for you
to make "APSoG" the best voted album in "Mind On Music"!!
Help me!
Michael
***************************************************
* "So where do we begin *
* and what else can we say? *
* When the lines are all drawn *
* What should we do today?" *
* *
* "A Pleasant Shade *
* Of Gray" - Fates Warning *
* *
* *
* Michael Kohsiek *
* Blumenesch 8a Siegerlandstr.15 *
* 49078 Osnabrueck 48527 Nordhorn *
* Tel.: 0541/43771 05921/722272 *
* Germany *
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***** "still writing letters in my head..." ******
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 07:07:38 -0500
From: Kevin Villines <kvill@flash.net>
To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Kevin's kooky auction kontinues!
Message-ID: <337C4E0A.26F2@flash.net>
OK, here's what I've got so far:
Deam Theater-Acoustic Dreams Prototype $130 (This is getting bloody!)
Amos, Tori-Inside The Storm (#129) $65
Metallica-The Wrath Of God (#73) $45
Send bids to kvill@flash.net
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:37:37 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: IF I RAN A CONCERT...I'd concert in the morning :)
Message-ID: <337C5511.799@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Michael
> So, here's the ultimate concert, the best of all time:
> [DT-less list snipped]
I guess Dream Theater would be backing them up? :)
Hopefully, this omission was a mistake, or beware: the wrath of Ytesjam
will come down upon thee!
> From: Mark
> (Too bad that panty-sniffing clown from Binghamton is temporarily off
> the jam and wont be able to give his two cents on this idea ......)
Well, I'm not from Binghamton, but I've been called both :), so allow
me:
I go to a concert mainly to hear the music. At the Strand in '96, I was
too busy _listening_ to the music to even notice whether James was on
stage or singing from the wings :) For me, the live experience is simply
the musicians without the benefit of Take 2. Sure, it's fun to have a
wild stage thing happenin'; but for me, there's more than enough
happening musically.
If I want theatre, I go to the theatre. (That is, unless it's the
Tubes!)
If I want music, I go to the Dream Theater.
But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong :)
> From: Keiji
> Complainment: Fuck Mike Greeenwell!!!! (for baseball fans)
We rejoiced the day he left town :) Fucking Overpriced Whiner!! I could
field a ball with a slice of Swiss cheese better than he could...
But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong :)
> From: Pat
> I see Al B has tons of time to post but not send tapes. Go figure...
1256 1500-010: (W) WARNING in main: Infinite loop. Program may not
stop.
AIX FUCKING RULES!
> From: ernie
> As a final note, remember that time the guitarist from Blind Melon
> bashed DT on a guitar mag?
Is this interview available on the Web somewhere?
Wasn't the guy put to death for it?
Have a great weekend!
Jon
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:06:50 -0500
From: Chip Alexander <tca.sdi@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: watchtower
Message-ID: <337C5BEA.34@ix.netcom.com>
on 15 May Albert Balkiewicz wrote:
> I know a long time back on here, there was talk of a
> band called Watchtower.....My question is, what would
> be the best comparison of Watchtower to a band that I
> would know...........
- Watchtower sounded a lot like Rush, but really heavy. Their first
album "Energetic Disassembly" is absolutely kick ass. It came out in
'81 and I still think it's ahead of its time. For a long time it was
only available on cassette (Zombie Records) but there is now a CD
available as a German import. The original guitar player was a guy
named Billy White, who went on to play in Dokken, and now plays in a
trio in Austin TX. The original singer for Watchtower was Jason
McMaster, later of Dangerous Toys. The second album "Control and
Resistance" was ok, but only had the drummer and bass player from the
original lineup. If you're into the heavier side of the prog scene, I
think you would get quite a kick out of the 1st album. The second is
more along the lines of Nasty Savage's "Indulgence". I have "Energetic
Disassembly" on CD - anyone interested in a copy email me privately.
Chip
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Date: Fri, 16 May 97 08:14:34 -0500
From: svjohnson@amoco.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Wrong discography :(
Message-ID: <199705161314.AA17771@interlock.amoco.com>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="cc:Mail"
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> I've got a good idea why you had problems with the LATM version of
> TTT. It's because TTT wasn't on the LATM CD. :) Mike Bahr released
> the UAGM from the LATM outtakes on Antiquities I bleeve, but I
> haven't seen or heard TTT from that show being on any boot. :)
> Take care...
> Adam
Oh, my!!! I think you're right! :O I put TTT (live) on a
compilation tape so I forget which disc it's from, so I'm sure, now,
it was a Bahr disc--just don't know which one ("Scenes" or "Ant.").
It's the one with the longer jazz piano ending ("C'mon Los
Angeles...don't worry about not looking cool!"). Sorry about the
confusion.
Steve
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:51:27 -0400
From: "Lauren Glenn" <LGlenn@quadnet.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: VOTE FOR "A PLEASANT SHADE OF GRAY"!!!
Message-ID: <199705161355.JAA20768@mail.quadnet.net>
>Hi Fates-Fans!!
>
>If you are really a fan of the best band in the world and especially
>of their new fantastic album "A Pleasant Shade Of Gray" then you have
>to surf to the following adress:
>
>http://www.cs.uit.no/Music/X/ViewAlb?alb_id=12219
>
>There you can vote for the album!!
>I am the only person till now (I voted 10/10) and I'm waiting for you
>to make "APSoG" the best voted album in "Mind On Music"!!
>
First, we need to get around the authentication information. I went to the
link and it asked me for a password for DBuser. Do you have a link that
bypasses this?
Lauren
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:05:40 -0400
From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bach
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970516090537.00823700@ionsys.com>
> It's cool to have a thread like this to see who is of his
> caliber to replace him......I have two words.....
>
> Sebastian Bach.
>
> (yeah, he's a Jersey boy, so I'm biased, but boy does he have
> a pair.........lungs, that is)
A Jersey boy? What the hell are you talking about? Sebastian Bach is
Canadian (just like all good vocalists). I *think* he's from the
Peterborough (Ontario) area... and I do know that his brother is/was the
goalie for the Jr. "A" Peterborough Petes of the Ontario Hockey League.
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:16:41 -0400
From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: No doubt!
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970516091638.007a1cd0@ionsys.com>
> Related topic: Why do people see a need to rag on Gwen Stefani? Her
>voice is not that bad, actually it's pretty good IMO. Is it because it's a
>woman making headway (excuse the perverse pun ;) in a predominantly
>male-populated genre? I dunno, but unless there's some good basis to rag
>on No Doubt (such as the overused Aerosmith-knockoff riffs), why do it?
I agree! I don't see what the big deal is about No Doubt. I hadn't heard
them (I don't listen to radio a lot) at all until about a week ago when
they played at Maple Leaf Gardens here in the Big Smoke, and some of the
local newscasts showed a couple of clips of the show. Hmm... would be nice
if Queensryche or Rush (and they're from here
for god's sake) shows were considered newsworthy. :(
I also caught a bit of some special (I guess it must have been an Intimite
& Interactive or something...) they did on Much Music the next day I think,
which was really the first time I'd heard them at any length. I don't see
what the big deal is. I don't particularly like them, but they're a hell
of a lot better than a lot of other bands that are popular these days. So
I don't know why everyone's ragging on them.
Or is it something to do with the fact she's a female in a rock band? A
few months ago, the "cool" thing for jammers to do was to rag on Alanis
Morissette. Now it's Gwen Stefani. Is this a trend or something?
Personally I like any band that has an attractive female singer...
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:03:28 -0500
From: "Robin L. Campbell" <campbell@str.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Edwin Dare
Message-ID: <199705161456.HAA15316@odin.ax.com>
Hey Gang,
I was wondering if anyone has gotten Edwin Dare's "The Unthinkable
Deed". I just got "Can't Break Me" from KOTR and it is really good. I would
appreciate any comments on the second album. Thanks!
Also, if you are still wondering who will be opening for Queensryche
on the upcoming tour, I know someone who has close ties to the band, and he
tells me it will be either:
Julio Iglesias
or
Menudo
I'll let y'all know who it is when it is finalized.
Later folks,
Notorious R.O.B.
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