YTSEJAM Digest 2564
Today's Topics:
1) html in text
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2563
by Christopher J Daley <cdaley@osf1.gmu.edu>
3) didja ever notice
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
4) Re: Fuck!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
5) Re: Fates on this list
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
6) Re: DT-New Album?
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
7) MTV's influence
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
8) Coaxial Cable
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
9)
by
10) Re:
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
11) Re: DT-New Album?
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
12) Re:
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
13) Re: Coaxial Cable
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
14) Faith No More/ James
by "Charles Farrell" <charlie_farrell@msn.com>
15) jason
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
16) Re: Jammer on the front page...
by Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
17) TOPICS
by Mark Hatch-Miller <ace@onfire.net>
18) front page jammer
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
19) BRAZILIAN MONSTERS OF ROCK (???)
by Thiago Zaninotti <zaninott@uol.com.br>
20) Brazilian Dr.Sin band: NEWS!!!
by Thiago Zaninotti <zaninott@uol.com.br>
21) rumors and news about the brazilian prog-metal: WIZARDS.
by Thiago Zaninotti <zaninott@uol.com.br>
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:23:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: html in text
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970519172212.26598A-100000@bdmserver>
Not everyone uses a mail reader that handles MIME or html. Messages
containing MIME or html just show up as annoying garbage. So just try to
post text messages without MIME or html...
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:24:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher J Daley <cdaley@osf1.gmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2563
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95q.970519172302.32089A-100000@osf1.gmu.edu>
> A great Black Metal band is Moonspell
>
> Their latest album (i think it's the latest) "Irrelgious" is great. I can't
> say much about these except that they're really great.
>
Odd that they refuse to put themselves into the musical genre of
black metal. I'm not sure what else they would be. Guh, genres are so
confusing. That's it. Everything's ROCK.
Chris.
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:25:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: didja ever notice
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970519170922.122A-100000@battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu>
18's a cool birthday, because it means you're officially an adult
19 has meaning for those of us near (or in) Canada, cuz that's the
drinking age over in that nation.......(of course i never had a drink in
canada 'til i was 21, so i wasted the two years, i suppose)
20 means you're hitting a second decade, the big 20....the first, and
perhaps last round number that you're ever gonna celebrate hitting,
because it means you ain't a teenager no more........
21: you're a 'real'! adult now, all barriers (except for car rentals, of
course) removed........
22? What's the freakin' use? I invite someone to tell me what, if
anything is there to look forward to in turning 22.....
i hit it in two days (the 21st), and I need an excuse to celebrate
partha (hey, a little advertising never hurt) mukhopadhyay
ps: Lars Hellsten: that reply of yers, murder city dead
things....never heard that one before, funny as hell......just
redeemed yourself in my book :)
ps2--anyone use word 7 for PC's? Tried to make a smiley :) in a word
document and it turned into a little (upright) smiley face....coolness
ps3: you on the back wall, this is it last call.......better buy 'em now
or you'll wish that you did...........
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 14:26:57 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fuck!
Message-ID: <199705192126.OAA00363@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Lars Hellsten said:
>
>martyr is cool. Kurt Cobain was a fucking martyr man...
>From now on, please refer using the correct terminology, that is Kurt
Nobrain... and maybe he was a Satyr but definitely not a martyr...
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 14:29:06 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Fates on this list Message-ID: <199705192129.OAA00388@gms.gmsnet.com>
I think a Fates Warning mailing list is a big waste of time... look at the Fates Warning newsgroup... there's barely any ever traffic on it... There's just not that many people who know about Fates...
Disclaimer: I already know my opinions are valued by God himself... so I don't have a humble opinion... Thanks
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 14:30:26 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT-New Album? Message-ID: <199705192130.OAA00413@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, David J Martin said: >Hello all, >Can someone please email me and tell me what the hell is going on with >the DT album. For instance, is it coming out any time soon? >I getting really pissed off. >Later, >Dave
Dream Theater broke up... and John Petrucci replaced Chris DeGarmo in Grungeryche... Portnoy is replacing Peart in Rush cause Peart decided to go back to the ocean...
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:43:15 -0400 From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MTV's influence Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970519110349.00825c30@ionsys.com>
>And we *know* that what they say goes. :) Actually, I guess it's more >important what MTV says.
Oh yeah... MTV controls the music industry, I forgot for a second. You know what? That argument is getting real tiresome.
I don't know that much about MTV, but Much Music are similar. They play whatever's popular. BUT, MM also has to have Canadian content, so Canadian bands get a lot of airplay. So what does that mean? Well, I Mother Earth, for example, get TONS of airplay on Much Music, and have over the past three years. Their videos are basically in rotation. But they're not that popular here. Meanwhile bands like The Tragically Hip and Our Lady Peace that play simpler, more mainstream music are HUGE in Canada, but most people in the US don't know who they are. In other words, if you were to play DT videos around the clock, there's NO FUCKING GUARANTEE they'd become an instant success.
And on a related note, how come No Doubt are so huge in Canada, along with every other band that becomes popular in the US? We don't GET MTV! And Much Music don't ONLY play what MTV plays. Nor do they just play whatever's popular in the US.
Besides, I'd rather that DT do what Rush did, and gradually build up a huge loyal fan base over years and years. These instant successes like No Doubt usually disappear in a few years as the teenyboppers move on to the next trend. So what you'd have is a bunch of 14 year olds going to DT concerts for a couple of years, and then when their tastes change, it'll be the next set of 14 year olds who decide what the next trend is going to be.
And even if it *is* MTV that dictates what music becomes popular, what's stopping DT from producing good videos? If the record company thought DT had what it takes to become the next huge thing, why wouldn't they spend oodles of money to put out a bunch of videos? (I know DT's songs are usually long, but there are plenty of songs you could make good videos from.)
The fact of the matter is that if anyone in the industry thought the public would like DT more than No Doubt, it would be DT who'd be huge. DT just aren't mainstream music, the average person just doesn't like them, and that's all there is to it. I'm as big a DT fan as the next jammer, but why is it that so many DT fans seem to think that everyone else in the world is like us? We're the exception (I love being exceptional :) ), not the norm.
Everyone here is constantly posting anecdotes about how their girlfriends, wives, friends, whoever, hate DT and listen to more mainstream music. Or about how they play DT for people and they think it's cheese. I wish more people here would just face the reality that the majority of people who hear DT just don't like the music. There's no doubt (flame me for that if you want) that if DT were played in rotation on MTV they'd become WAY more popular than they are now, but the fact is, they wouldn't become nearly as popular as No Doubt, or whomever MTV plays, so why SHOULD MTV play DT? Because they're more talented?
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 14:47:20 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Coaxial Cable Message-ID: <199705192147.OAA13997@main.cfmc.com>
>From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> > >>Are all concerts as loud as metallica concerts? > >I almost hesitate to mention this given some of the 80's metal haters in >here, but the loudest concert I ever saw was Winger. I saw them in Essex >Jct., VT and the sound was so loud, it knocked over the first ten rows >of folding chairs before the screaming teenies could get to them...
Heh....yeah, I'm in about that boat. The loudest show I've ever seen was Whitensake at Irvine Meadows, which was just unreal. I had crappy seats and I still thought my head was about to implode (I hadn't yet converted to the glory of earplugs). Metallica, when I've seen them, have been pretty loud. And Vai was gawdawful loud on G3. Eric Johnson, on the other hand, wasn't particularly loud at that show, though he was reasonably loud when I saw him at Wadsworth Hall in LA back in '92.
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Rush: All The World's A Stage 2. The Beyond: Crawl 3. Helmet: Aftertaste 4. Extreme: Waiting For The Punchline 5. Natalie Merchant: Tigerlily
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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FATES WARNING start a European tour in June with OMEN and SCANNER. Former DREAM THEATER keyboardist Kevin Moore will be joining them on tour...
Anyone have more info?
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 18:06:16 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Message-ID: <3380CED8.7B3@caribe.net>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > > FATES WARNING start a European tour in June with OMEN and SCANNER. Former > DREAM THEATER keyboardist Kevin Moore will be joining them on tour... > > Anyone have more info?
i dont know but in the island in the stream website it says that Kev will not join them on tou
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:17:39 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT-New Album? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970519151732.007ca670@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 03:08 PM 5/19/97 -0700, Dr. duder wrote: >Dream Theater broke up... and John Petrucci replaced Chris DeGarmo in >Grungeryche... Portnoy is replacing Peart in Rush cause Peart decided to >go back to the ocean...
Damn it! Tell the whole story!! You forgot about how John Myung and Stu Hamm are getting together to record "Blow Your Fuckin' Ears Off", and about how Labrie is joining the Vienna boys' choir. Or was that the Toronto boys' choir, eh? ;)~ Any word on Derek? Oh yeah, my bad, he finally got a blonde.
;)~
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Mon, 19 May 97 15:25:23 PST8 From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Message-ID: <9704198640.AA864081092@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>FATES WARNING start a European tour in June with OMEN and SCANNER. Former >DREAM THEATER keyboardist Kevin Moore will be joining them on tour... >Anyone have more info? I was told by Metal Blade that Kevin wouldn't be doing the tour, has this be confirmed? ~Mike
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:35:34 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Coaxial Cable Message-ID: <199705192235.PAA00886@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Adam Barnhart said: >>From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> >> >>>Are all concerts as loud as metallica concerts? > >Heh....yeah, I'm in about that boat. The loudest show I've ever seen was >Whitensake at Irvine Meadows, which was just unreal. I had crappy seats and >I still thought my head was about to implode (I hadn't yet converted to the
Actually, the loudest fuckin concert I've ever been to had to be Ozzy at Universal Amphitheatre in LA... I had pit passes, the place wasn't HUGE, and Ozzy had the sound system that could blow away the LA Coliseum...
And let me tell you... I can handle LOUD....
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 19 May 97 22:16:53 UT From: "Charles Farrell" <charlie_farrell@msn.com> To: "Ytsejam list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Faith No More/ James Message-ID: <UPMAIL02.199705192232540822@msn.com>
> About a year ago on the 'jam, someone I think said that Faith No More > had broken up. That kind of sucked because they seemed to be one of > the few bands out there that really stuck to their creative genius and >maintained a definite identity. > > But recently I heard their "new song" on the radio and I'm wondering > what's up? Are they back? Had they never parted ways?
You're not alone in thinking that they had broken up, but they're alive and in the midst of a European tour at the moment. They played London Astoria last Wednesday.
>I think JLB's problem isn't with his voice, I think it's with his >stage presence. Arguing with the audience can be kinda bad.
My only experience of this was last month at the 2nd gig in Tillburg. James's irritation with some of the folks at the front screaming song requests at him mounted, until he finally told them to 'Shut the Fuck up'. Having said that, he seemed really rattled. The rest of the guys were ready to start the next song well before James and actually began to play. James then looked really pissed, so they stopped and gave him the time to compose himself again. Not quite what you would expect from a Lead Singer in a metal band, but an opera singer maybe!
As far as excellent front-men and excellent singers go, then Andre Matos would be a great choice, though I don't think he would leave Angra. He has a belting voice, bags of energy and knows how to work an Audience. (I can post a gig review if there is enough interest).
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 18:53:58 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: El Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: jason Message-ID: <3380DA05.1FE5@caribe.net>
can anyone with perspectives from jason becker send me soundfiles or can direct me to some page with soundfiles..i wanna order the album but i wanna hear some stuff off it first
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"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 23:58:03 +0100 From: Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Jammer on the front page... Message-ID: <8qAHUCA7rNgzEwBy@tequila.demon.co.uk>
In article <199705192102.OAA06544@goodnet.com>, durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> writes > One of our very own Jammers, the always friendy Hui-Chi, was on >the front page of the local Tribune the other day here in Arizona. (It >showed her graduating from ASU). I just thought it was pretty cool to have >a color pic of a Jammer on the front page, and have it not be an arrest or >anything. :) Congratulations Hui-Chi and all other college graduates!! You >accomplished what I never could.
Give it time Mike, give it time.
One day you're gonna be President :-)
-- Gary Cleghorn Mmmmmm... donuts whoo-hoo
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:42:21 -0700 From: Mark Hatch-Miller <ace@onfire.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: TOPICS Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970519174217.00697df4@onfire.net>
I have a proposal...
How about everyone who titles their posts "RE: Ytsjam 2112" or "RE: Ytsejam 1001001" or any other jam number could try to title thier posts by what they are actually about so those of us who dont have all the time in the world can delete them if we are not interested instead of having to actually read a post about something that we don't care about.
Mark
And one more thing, we need a new rule that prevents new subscribers from writing "Hi my name is (Fill in the blank) I'm from (Fill in country or state) and I love Dream Theater and other progressive and metal bands, please write to me." This isnt a fuckin 12-step program.
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Mark Hatch-Miller, ace@onfire.net
"He's noble enough to know whats right but weak enough not to choose it He's wise enough to win the world but fool enough to lose it"-
Rush, "New World Man"
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 20:59:58 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: front page jammer Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970519205950.0068f89c@ici.net>
>Congratulations Hui-Chi and all other college graduates!! You >accomplished what I never could.
Ah....do not give up yet, durnik-san....the life is still young.
And those who do not ignore history...are doomed to MAJOR in it. :)
(Pat Sullivan - BS Computer Science - Bridgewater State College 1992)
________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator NP: Deliverance - "If You Will"
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 22:10:46 -0200 From: Thiago Zaninotti <zaninott@uol.com.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: BRAZILIAN MONSTERS OF ROCK (???) Message-ID: <3380EC06.5DC0@uol.com.br>
The Phillips co. has quit monster of rock in BRAZIL... Will it really happen here ?? I'm afraid.... People said DT would be the opening band, followed by ANGRA, MANOWAR, JUDAS PRIEST, DIO and finally WHITE SNAKE. They told me rumors about another brazilian prog-metal band but i don't know...
Kiko Loureiro told me he doesn't know if it will happen. I'm still afraid... (ANGRA has just traveled to ITALIA & Europe and I'm not going to have my usual guitar classes with Kiko.. SUCK!)
By the way, the Empire Records is trying to bring STRATOVARIUS and GAMMA RAY to Brazil next month.. Let us be ready for that... (and pray)
Cya!
mailto:zaninott@uol.com.br
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 22:14:38 -0200 From: Thiago Zaninotti <zaninott@uol.com.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Brazilian Dr.Sin band: NEWS!!! Message-ID: <3380ECEE.2732@uol.com.br>
Pay attention!
if u have heard the brazilian hard rock band Dr.Sin (Eduardo Ardanuy's band), be ready... They had just travelled to USA and they're going to record the new album... but there's a problem: it will be sing in the portuguese language. Here is the discography: - DR.SIN - BRUTAL
if u would like to hear this band, send me an email...
Cya!
mailto:zaninott@uol.com.br
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 22:22:57 -0200 From: Thiago Zaninotti <zaninott@uol.com.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: rumors and news about the brazilian prog-metal: WIZARDS. Message-ID: <3380EEE1.73B7@uol.com.br>
Last night I went to Alphaville (nearby Sao Paulo city) to check out the WIZARDS "little" show. They're a new prog-metal band from Brazil and I've played with Christian Passos (the vocalist) in another band: Skyscraper. They are very excited with the new album: SOUND OF LIFE and they are going to play in the japan in the next summer. They had blown Japanese jammers with their first album: WIZARDS; and they were elected one of the best bands in 96. The show was good and the japanese TV was there to record the whole concert... If you would like to hear this band, please, let me know by email...
mailto:zaninott@uol.com.br
Cya!
PS: Keep in touch - WIZARDS OFFICIAL HOME PAGE is coming soon...
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