YTSEJAM Digest 2566
Today's Topics:
1) Re: I got an idea for a thread!
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
2) Apocalyptica, the murderer, Opeth
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
3) Re: Fates on this list
by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
4) The darker side of night...
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
5) Ytse Jam - serves 1200
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
6) MPEG 3 players
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
7) Re: front page jammer
by breitweg@fusebox.hanse.de (Jason T. Breitweg)
8) ENCHANT - WOUNDED RELEASED IN U.S>
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
9) knights of the round....
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
10) Metal and related tangents ;)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
11) 7-strings and kidneys
by HseJackBlt@aol.com
12) It's lunchtime...
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 02:14:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: I got an idea for a thread!
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970520021047.20883B-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
Gee wiz, guys. I remember when the Jam was a happy place. I joined
around 1900 and everybody were just shiny happy people holding hands.
Where have all the good times gone? I wanna see all you groovy people
stand together and glorify DT, man. Nothing else, man. No more
neighbor-bshing, because won't you please, won't you please, please won't
you be my neighbor?
Oh, and all you silly geese are wasting lots of band width too. Tisc
tis... What? You mean, I'm--oh God. Gulp! I'm going now.
Matt B
"See the blind man shooting at the world. Bullets flying, taking toll."
(Deep Purple, Sweet Child in Time)
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 01:27:54 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Apocalyptica, the murderer, Opeth
Message-ID: <19970520053128.AAB6193@ernst-d>
>In fact, as interesting as Apocalyptica may sound at first, it actually is
>pretty boring after the fifth listen.
Ah! But have you listened to them live? Honestly, that was one of the
all-time best concerts I've ever been to. They got pulled out for two
encores... too bad they only had enough material for one of 'em. And their
version of 'Little Drummer Boy' (subtitled 'Finnish Winter Angst') is
unbelievably evil :).
>I think the things JLB say live are great (my humble opinion of course),
>like when he says "let me kill you London" after the Killing hand on LATM.
LOL! And then the audience hits the floor as JLB picks up the shotgun :)
it's "Let me hear you London" dude ;)
And speaking of black metal, has anyone heard of Opeth? I don't know
exactly what genre you'd put 'em in, but it's very good schtuff. The
singer growls, which got me a while to get used to, since I'm not into
that, but the music is soooooo cool. It's basically prog, but without much
flashy stuff, and excellent arranging. The 2 guitarists are always doing
harmonies, counterpoints, and rythms that intertwine in one way or another.
And they do alot of acoustic stuff too. This makes the singer sound like
he's saying a very creepy poem. It's a very cool effect. And he sings here
and there.... and the whole last song. And to top it all off: 5 songs = 66
min. !
lataz
-----------------------QUOTES WORTH MENTIONING---------------------
"EGOTIST,n. A person of low taste, more interested in himself
than in me." -Ambrose Bierce, 'The Devil's Dictionary'
Ernesto Schnack
ernie@pananet.com
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 02:52:20 -0400
From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
To: " - (052)ytsejam (a) ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Fates on this list
Message-ID: <0010200000474856000002L062*@MHS>
> From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
> Subject: Fates on this list
>
> I agree. And what happened to the idea of a Fatez mailing list? I gue=
ss
> none of us have time / equipment / knowledge / or interest to start i=
t. I
> sure's hell don't know how to do it.
I suppose this is a good a time as any to make the first announcement.
Mike Kizer and I have reached an agreement to co-maintain a FW mailing =
list.
The only holdup right now is the fact that I just moved. I don't quite=
have
all my stuff reconnected. But as soon as it is, we'll get the list set=
up and
running.
Once we have something working, I will post an announcement with detail=
s on how
to sign up. Until then, please do not ask me what the address of the l=
ist is.
There isn't one yet, but there will be one soon.
So, the bottom line, you ask? All you Fates Warning fans, keep your ey=
es
pealed for further info, be thinking of good names for the list, and, m=
ost
importantly, please be patient. Mike and I have never done this sort o=
f thing
before so things may be a bit rough in the beginning.
"Briiiaaaaan!!" "Kiiirrrrrrk!!"
- Joe, Wings - Khan, Wrath of Khan
brian.kirk@usvgi.mail.abb.com
bkirk@blkbox.com
Write me. If you dare!
=
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Date: 20 May 97 10:23:45 +0200
From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The darker side of night...
Message-ID: <0021A4622200000101000131860166@tppalv1.metsaserla.fi>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Those with no interest towards the darker sides of metal can skip...
From: matt rosin <msr7146@unix.tamu.edu>
>>Hey! This guy has some great music taste! :) Hey Matt, get your hands on
>>Therion's "Theli".
>i must agree with you here. this cd is wonderful.
:) Hey, was it you who wanted more info about Amorphis' new EP "My Kantele"?
I took a listen at it yesterday (and surprised myself by not buying it yet)
and yes, the material is somewhat like that on "Elegy", but they seem to get
a bit more progressive (in a psychedelic way, I might add). They even cover
a song by Kingston Wall and the second cover on the disk is a Hawkwind one. :)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
>I have trouble listening to much of what I call Black Metal. The
>clear vocal parts are usually very good, but a lot of the fast stuff just
>sounds noisy. It's like... take a fast blast beat, mix in a lot of
Here some visual music for ya. What's this?
hi-hat: tstststststststststststststststststststststststststststststststs
snare : ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko
kickdrums: bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo
guitar: buzzbuzzbuzzbuzzbuzzbuzzbuzzbuzzbuzzbuzzbuzzbuzzbuzzbuzzbuzzbuzz
bass: dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum
vox: Shhhhriiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!Grrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Now, THAT is black metal. :) Anythind that differs from this formula isn't
considered pure black metal.
>midrange guitar and high bass and a growl that sounds like something from
>the Hobbit. It just tends to get very noisy to me, very quickly. There
>are many exceptions.
One of which is Ulver's "Kveldssanger". This can never be stressed enough.
Just don't get the albums mixed and purchase "Nattens Madrigal" by mistake.
NM is like machine gun and a formula one combined. You will not like it.
>I would be interested to see where you would place Arcturus (i.e.
>in which genre). Their guitarist is pretty much the most impressive
>player I've heard from what I would consider Black Metal.
All the guys in Arcturus are from various Norwegian black metal bands,
hence Arcturus isn't really a band but a project. And as far as I know,
they're considered dark metal. As far as impressive goes, another band
possibly worth listening (in the same vein as Arcturus) is Gehenna. Not
Gehennah, but Gehenna. These are two separate bands.
From: Christopher J Daley <cdaley@osf1.gmu.edu>
>> In Flames isn't black metal. They belong to a relatively tiny subgenre of
>> death metal called NWOSDM. Anyone remember NWBOHM? Well, this one means
> Actually, no. :) What is nwbohm?
NWBOHM was the "New wave of British heavy metal" movement in early eighties.
There was/is bands like Saxon, Praying Mantis (Satu told me they're AOR now),
Iron Maiden of the DiAnno era, Samson and all those. I think you get the
picture. :)
>> Cradle of Filth isn't black metal (anymore) either. They have been (around
>> their first album "The Principle of Evil Made Flesh"), but the latter two
>> efforts have been what they call gothic dark metal.
>What's the difference? Dark seems pretty blackish to me.
Please see the visual music above. Orchestration + keyboards = not black
metal. Everything else in the description is debatable. :)
>Dani's got a pretty powerful voice for his small frame.
>Supposedly live he can keep all that up throughout the show.
Yes he can. Actually, for a band so "graphic" an image, Cradle of Filth's
live set is pretty boring.
From: "Simon Mitternacht" <rel96dim@student2.lu.se>
>A great Black Metal band is Moonspell
Great,yes. Black metal, no. Gothic is more like it.
>Their latest album (i think it's the latest) "Irrelgious" is great. I can't
>say much about these except that they're really great.
"Irreligious" is one the best albums last year (IMOIMOIMOIMO!). Besides,
Moonspell are pure dynamite live.
From: Christopher J Daley <cdaley@osf1.gmu.edu>
[Moonspell]
>Odd that they refuse to put themselves into the musical genre of
>black metal. I'm not sure what else they would be. Guh, genres are so
>confusing. That's it. Everything's ROCK.
Say no more. :) But pigeonholing things is fun!
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) answering to Lars Hellsten:
>>martyr is cool. Kurt Cobain was a fucking martyr man...
>>From now on, please refer using the correct terminology, that is Kurt
>Nobrain... and maybe he was a Satyr but definitely not a martyr...
No, no, no. Satyr is that ugly fuck from Norwegian black metal group
Satyricon. :)
From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
Subject: My buddy Satan.....
>as Black so I said "wow. some black metal is cool." Like I said, the
>Emperor and Mayhem I heard wasn't real impressing to me, so maybe I
>don't like true black metal after all...
Pretty few with at least a basic understanding of what's music do. And
before anyone goes ballistic, I mean pure, no orchestration, no-frills
black metal.
>As far as Cradle of Filth live, I too am VERY curious as to how well
>they pull off the vocals live..there is some sort of festival in
Actually the vox sound much the same what they're on the disc, but not
exactly the same so they're not sampled. I'm assuming they fake them
somehow, because I don't believe it's possible to shriek like that for
an hour without damaging one's larynx. That's why I was curious about
the vox in the first place.
>Milwaukee in July and CoF is playing with Venom (are they black metal?
>old school black metal?) so some Americans may find out....And for the
Venom are the frigging godfathers of black metal. The first and original.
Omigosh, they were lousy! Abaddon has to be the worst drummer ever to get
to perform on a recording...
_Mape_
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 03:12:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ytse Jam - serves 1200
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970520025419.7360B-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
Ytse Jam - serves 1200
serving size, 4 oz.
One (1) dozen large tubes KY Jelly
One (1) liter Heaven's Gate Jell-O Pudding
One (1) 1 lb. wheel LaBrie cheese
One (1) lb. block Kurt Cobrain 12-Gauge Pate
Before you fucking start, you should have already made the fucking Jell-O.
Don't fucking expect me to tell you how the fuck to do it, the
instructions are on the fucking box.
Using a large fucking mixing bowl, dump the fucking pate in and use a
fucking spoon to separate it until your are happy with the fucking
texture.
While you prepare the rest of the fucking ingredients, you should begin to
melt the fucking cheese. Now, some of your fucking guests might complain
about using LaBrie ("LA bree") cheese. It seems that some fucking people
think that while LaBrie is good straight out of the fucking factory, the
quality of the product in different fucking recipes is so fucking
inconsistent that they would rather fucking have something else, or just
no fucking cheese at all. However, since you are the fucking host, you
can feel free to say 'fuck em' and just cook the fucking dish how you
fucking want it.
Back to the fucking preparations. Melting down the fucking cheese is
probably the easiest fucking part of this recipe. All you should have to
do is invite two of your fucking guests in, first making sure that they
disagree on the LaBrie issue. The flames generated by these two guests
should not only be fucking adequate to melt the fucking cheese, but will
probably continue to generate heat as much as two fucking weeks after the
need for any further fucking heat has been surpassed.
While the cheese is melting down, get the fuck back to work. Squeeze the
fucking contents of the KY Jelly tubes (you should have 12, unless you are
fucking using a metric dozen) into your mixing bowl. This step is
fucking crucial, since the stickyness of the KY adds most of the thicker
consistency to your fucking Jam. Stir the pate and KY together until the
fucking mixture is fairly evenly distributed.
Now, you should add the fucking pudding. This is where a lot of the
fucking taste comes from. Stir it in while you pour and keep fucking
stirring until you are happy with the consistency.
By this time, the fucking cheese should be thoroughly melted. Simply
fucking repeat what you just did with the pudding, and you can't fuck up.
I should caution you, however, lab studies have shown that the fucking
procedure used to melt the cheese often results in two less dinner guests
and a phone call to the police and/or paramedics. But since this recipe
is made to feed a whole fucking mailing list, someone out there should
want seconds. If they don't, dogs fucking love the stuff.
** PLEASE NOTE: Ytse Jam DOES NOT prevent pregnancy! If you are
concerned about pregnancy, you can try not fucking fucking. If not
fucking fucking is not a viable fucking solution, there is also a product
called Ortho Novum 777 (commonly known as "The Birth Control Pill"), which
has proven to be a very fucking effective vaginal suppository. **
There's your fucking recipe. Just chill and serve cold on your favorite
baked breads.
For Jeff Keifling and anyone else keeping track, the word "fuck" or a
variant thereof is used 69 fucking times in this fucking post, including
this fucking sentance. Pretty fucking impressive, huh?
-------------------------==[ Tool Fucking Roolz ]==--------------------------
Fuck L Ron Hubbard and Fuck retro anything. Fuck smiley glad-hands
Fuck all his clones. Fuck your tattoos. With hidden agendas.
Fuck all those gun-toting Fuck all you junkies and Fuck these dysfunctional,
Hip gangster wannabes. Fuck your short memory. insecure actresses.
Learn to swim. Learn to swim. Learn to swim.
----------==[ Pat Fucking Griffin's Temporary Fucking .sig file ]==----------
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 01:46:12 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MPEG 3 players
Message-ID: <199705200846.BAA04772@gms.gmsnet.com>
For those of you who have PC's, either Mac or Win95 and haven't tried MPEG
3, give it a shot... it's the best mid-rate audio compression scheme
retaining CD-like sound.
For Win95:
http://winamp.lh.net/
http://www.mpeg3.com/
For Mac:
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 07:01:52 GMT From: breitweg@fusebox.hanse.de (Jason T. Breitweg) Subject: Re: front page jammer Message-ID: <ub7mgutyn3.fsf@fusebox.hanse.de>
Pat> (Pat Sullivan - BS Computer Science - Bridgewater State Pat> College 1992)
As a physics professor of mine once said "Any subject with the word science in it, isn't! Think about it *grin*". Just wanted to tease you a little Pat. And oh I have you Vicious Rumors CDs, I need to send them soon.
Jason -- Jason Breitweg --> breitweg@amzeus.desy.de, jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg, http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe "The Gods Made Heavy Metal And It's Never Gonna Die!" - MANOWAR
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 02:37:37 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ENCHANT - WOUNDED RELEASED IN U.S> Message-ID: <199705200937.CAA05080@gms.gmsnet.com>
Just a note:
Enchant - Wounded is released in the U.S. Today!!
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:20:12 +0200 From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: knights of the round.... Message-ID: <v03007801afa72b242e3d@[128.178.99.38]>
Yoyo,
Could someone mail me PRIVATELY, the URL for Knights of the Round?
TIA,
________________________________ "I had so much time on my hands then suddenly, it washed away" --------------------------------------------- "These are my wings to fly These are the winds to sail So let as time goes by Mind over matter prevail" ________________________________
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 03:19:53 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metal and related tangents ;) Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970520031951.007b9b20@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 02:29 AM 5/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >"The Gods Made Heavy Metal And It's Never Gonna Die!" - MANOWAR
Yeah, but some idiots still try to kill it. Look at Guitar World magazine for a quick example. Last month, a BIG metal month for the mag with the Ozzfest stuff, but this month, the only metal thing in there is a review of the Rocktron Chameleon (ironically it's the preamp I own and love), and they even bitched and moaned about that saying "there's too many 'Yngwie' and 'Shred Metal' presets and not enough 'Turbo gunk pirates' or 'foodpin scuz' type presets" (um, or something ;). I mean, columns by the Korn guitarists and the Explorer-player from No Doubt ("yup, no doubt about it, they suck" J/K) have replaced informative old columns of issues past like Petrucci's, Hammett's, Eric Johnson's, B.B. King's, Dimebag Darrell's, etc. I mean it just sucks from a metal standpoint. Then you look at Guitar FtPM, and it's like a total 180. They had a good balance of alternative and metal in the last mag, including Satriani and Metallica (whom many of us seriously dig). Back to my point and off of the "I hate GW!!" tangent, people keep trying to kill metal, but it never dies. I don't get it. I'm really wondering about the American taste in this too. What's the metal scene like in other countries (besides Japan)? Of course, I'm not saying that if a person doesn't listen to metal that they have bad taste, far from it, but it seems that you can just put any moron behind a fretboard, say "play and sing." to them and they're instant millionaires. No Doubt is a slight exception to this because the music actually contains some quality to it, but I'm not even gonna go into the new Bush single. Man, can you say OFF KEY!!! Sorry if I offended any Bush fans here, but if you really think Bush is a bunch of talented musicians, then you're on the wrong mailing list IMO. On a side note, I picked up a Warrior Soul CD last night, and it's cool, but more punky and less heavy than I was expecting. With a name like Warrior Soul, I was expecting some Fear Factory to Morbid Angel type music, but "Salutations From the Ghetto Nation" still rocks hard in a punky/metal-crunch/Billy Idol sort of way. Reminds me of MD.45, if anyone knows who that is. Thanks to the many jammerz who recommended this CD, cheers!
<Vinnie>'s rant is over. (finally) ;)~
. .-/ \ _.-~ / \___ ______ __ _ \ / -~|| __||_ __// || | / . . || __| | |\ / ' || |__ / / ~| ||____| |_| /_/|_||____| / / |-~\ \ \ \ | || || | / /__ / \ \____\|\_\|_/|_||____| WILL NEVER DIE. / .-~\ \-~ /.-~ \ /~ .- \ .-~ ~Vince \.-~
If you don't like it, it won't hurt my feelings. :)
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 07:40:46 -0400 (EDT) From: HseJackBlt@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 7-strings and kidneys Message-ID: <970520074046_155567634@emout04.mail.aol.com>
>Yep, thhey were those funky Fenders. Might I ask where you live? $899 for a RG >7-string, huh? I could sell my guitar and a kidney, if necessary, and have the >money :)
I live in Cleveland, and it was at a Sam Ash. I also played a Parker Fly guitar, man was that light! Don't sell your kidney, though, sell plasma. At school, there's a place that advertises in the newspaper, and it has "coupons" for bonuses for the first, second time, etc. you sell plasma! If I ever get desperate enough for a Tremoverb, this will probably be my avenue.
Sincerely,
G. Jack Thetgyi
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Date: Tue, 20 May 97 13:43:15 +0200 From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de Subject: It's lunchtime... Message-ID: <9705201143.AA00335@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
as the heading says, it's lunchtime, I'm bored, so I thought I might kill some time and write to you guys. So here are some random thoughts that have popped (or pooped) into my mind lately.
Loads of stuff lately about James LaBrie again. When I saw the band here in Germany a few weeks ago, he was perfect and didn't put a foot wrong, but I would still prefer to see (hear?) Dream Theater as a purely instrumental band. Which brings me on to another singer who has come in for a lot of criticism lately, Geoff Tate. Did you know (or even care), that 'Hear In The Now Frontier' is an anagram of 'throat wherein inferno'? (Must be all those nasty cigarettes). I find that 'Hear In The New Frontier' is like a wart: it grows on you with time.
More anagrams:
death metal = the late mad = deal me that (I particularly agree with this sentiment)
gothic metal = the magic lot
progressive metal = prime gases revolt.
It's also good to see that more and more people are becoming interested in bands like Dissection, Samael, My Dying Bride etc. etc. But Samael and satanic? I just leafed through the lyric sheet to the album 'passage' and found nothing satanic in there. The Bible, however, contains numerous references to Satan (please, do not take this an insult to your religion if you happen to be Christian. It's just that the Jam has become far too serious lately, and could do with a good injection of humour).
That four-letter word. Some of the last jams have contained the word PHUQ (the posh spelling) almost as often as the Pantera list Mouth4War. This should help make James feel at home.
I'm still looking for a mailing list for Tiamat. What do I have to do/need if I want to start one myself?
Have any of the Kraut jammers seen Waltari on the current tour? If so, what can I expect? (I've got all-access tickets, but don't know if I can make it yet, or whether it's worth my while rushing to get there)
Thought for the day: think global - drink local
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Sisters Of Mercy - A Slight Case Of Overbombing
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