YTSEJAM digest 2572

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YTSEJAM Digest 2572

Today's Topics:

  1) Re: Apology
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
  2) Re: YTSEJAM in general
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
  3) RE: New cds, not one which relates to DT
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
  4) Re: YTSEJAM in general
by hans.petter.olsen@cinet.no
  5) Re: strapping young lad - city
by me128 student <me128-ba@calcium.ME.Berkeley.EDU>
  6) Re: Arrested development
by me128 student <me128-ba@calcium.ME.Berkeley.EDU>
  7) Always remember to pillage BEFORE you burn...
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
  8) nothing at all
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
  9)
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
10) Old Brit prog(ish)
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
11) noobies
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
12) We're not in Kansas anymore
by "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>
13) VICIOUS RUMORS REALLY HAD A NEW SINGER!!!
by "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
14) Dream Disc catalog
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
15) La, la, la, la...
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
16) the ALTURA band.
by Thiago Zaninotti <zaninott@uol.com.br>
17) VOTE FOR FATES!!
by "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 01:56:40 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Apology
Message-ID: <199705210856.BAA13864@gms.gmsnet.com>

On the Eve of Destruction, Chris Ptacek said:
>Hey folx,
>
> I just want to apologize publicly for getting a little carried away
>today.

Apology NOT ACCEPTED, fuck off and DIE!!! :)

I love you Mads...

keep the posts coming!!

-The Doc

-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% *$%&%#$* Global Micro Solutions #$#$#@@# *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$ #$@#$#@# http://www.gmsnet.com/progmetal @#$@##@$

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 02:01:21 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM in general Message-ID: <199705210901.CAA13895@gms.gmsnet.com>

I love these people complaining about NDTC... who the fuck is DT??? Who the fuck is Dream Theater???

You know... someday you will learn to stop cluttering the fucking jam with your whining then you will have people like me getting off your back by cluttering the jam with replies to your whining...

-The Doc

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 02:33:12 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: New cds, not one which relates to DT Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970521093312Z-2309@ms.Kallback.com>

>I love it when new cds arrive! >Kevin

I couldn't agree with you more! I got my Dream Disc shipment today with Conception-Parallel Minds, Elegy-Supreme, Stratovarius-Forth Dimension, Tad Morose-A Mended Rhyme, and Morgana Lefay-Past Present Future.

Gotta go listen!

Trevor "If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you."

> >

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 12:36:27 +0100 From: hans.petter.olsen@cinet.no To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM in general Message-ID: <199705211037.KAA04592@mailhost.cinet.no>

Paul Matthews wrote: "This is quite a substantially sized mailing list. But, it appears that it would be quite a lot smaller and infinitely more readable if we didn't have all the NDTC rubbish."

I'm so agree with you Paul. You really have to look hard for DT info in the mail. Jammers, lets keep to the subject and skip the info 'bout DVD format, other non-prog band and what if James quit DT. The Ytsejam would be much more interesting to read.

Anyone heard any news about Metropolis II? Will it be ready in time for the next CD?

Later Hans Petter Olsen

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 03:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: me128 student <me128-ba@calcium.ME.Berkeley.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: strapping young lad - city Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970521034813.11560A-100000@calcium.ME.Berkeley.EDU>

On Sun, 18 May 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:

> From: filth <ripzero@inlink.com> > > this is like my new favorite band. no joke. them and sevendust. i mean, > wowow! strapping young lad's city is filled with tons of raw power, anger, > even some melody.. and i know all you drummers will love this- > > gene foogin hoglan! YEAH!!!!!!!!! I heard he'd played on this thing, but I couldn't find anyone to confirm it. What's his playing like? More of the great shit he was cranking out with Death or what? For other Hoglan fans, I think he's on Testament's new CD (comin' out in June...maybe the 24th, I think).

Younis Hilal-----------------------yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu AKA YoonDog on IRC "If it bleeds, then we can kill it." ---Dutch, "Predator" "Your Majesty, you are like a stream of bat's piss." "What?" "I merely meant, your Majesty, that you shine out like a shaft of gold when all around you is dark." ---MP "Long hair, short hair, what the hell's the difference once the head's blown off?" ---unknown (somebody wanna help me out here?)

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 04:06:00 -0700 (PDT) From: me128 student <me128-ba@calcium.ME.Berkeley.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Arrested development Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970521040236.11560B-100000@calcium.ME.Berkeley.EDU>

On Mon, 19 May 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:

> From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> > > From: Buckaroo > > > I wrote a really long message to the jam and my new PC crapped out for > > the second time today! > > Where do YOU want to go today? :) Today I wanna go drop a nuke on Micro$oft HQ.

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 04:29:48 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Always remember to pillage BEFORE you burn... Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970521112948Z-2318@ms.Kallback.com>

>Today I wanna go drop a nuke on Micro$oft HQ.

You supply the bomb and I'll do it for you. I live about a block from there.

Trevor

> >

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 07:08:15 -0400 From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: nothing at all Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970519184310.007a5e70@ionsys.com>

>I think the things JLB say live are great (my humble opinion of course), >like when he says "let me kill you London" after the Killing hand on LATM. >And the cool pauses after "this is", "this is... ...surrounded".

"let me KILL you"??? It would be cool if he said that, but I think it's "let me hear you London". As for Surrounded, you bastard, I have the version of LATM with Another Day, which I already have on the Lie single, so I wish I had the Surrounded version. :)

>I can't understand why a lot of people (I didn't say all) who listen to >progressive music, and other forms of heavier rock, have to dislike the >less complex musicstyles. (too bad it's the other way around too) I >consider The Smashing Pumpkins as good a band as most of the progbands I >listen to (except DT and Rush, they're incomparable), but I definitley

Well, you know what, personally I think No Doubt's music is much more complicated than that of any other teenybopper band I've heard in the last few years. Their music may not be that heavy, and they may not be DT, but unlike some bands (uhm, Green Day) that have been really popular in recent years, at least No Doubt know how to play their instruments, and if you ask me, while their music isn't extremely difficult to play or anything, they're great songwriters. They're not one of these 3-chord bands, and you could take away the vocals and their music would still be alright. I will admit that Gwen has a kind of annoying voice though, but not nearly as annoying as that Smashing Pumpkins vocalist.

I think there are two camps of DT fans here. The metalheads who also happen to like DT, mainly for the heavier stuff, and the people who like mostly lighter stuff but who DT appeals to because of the complexity. Chances are that people who listen to mostly heavy metal won't like no doubt. Mind you, this is just my little theory, so don't believe me if you don't want to.

-fuckfuck

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 07:08:10 -0400 From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970519182348.007a5450@ionsys.com>

>>they could possibly build a dynasty that would match the 70's Montreal >>Canadiens teams) > >The Habs are the single greatest team in sports history. Comparing them >to any other team is an insult to the legacy they have created and to >sports as a whole. Flame away.

Of course. But I was talking about specifically the 70's teams that were coached by Scotty Bowman. There's no way any team will win 26 (or whatever) cups ever again, at least not in the next couple of centuries, but I could see the Avs winning 4 or 5 in the next decade. Don't forget that the Habs won a dozen or more of their cups when the NHL had only 6 teams, and before the advent of the entry draft, when Toronto and Montreal essentially had first dibs on all of the Canadian-born players.

As for the Avs, just look at the draft picks they have next year - they have Boston's first round pick, LA's first round pick, and Washington's. Not to mention the picks they've stockpiled in the later rounds. That's at least two top-5 picks next year, I would think (I don't see the Bruins or Kings getting much better next year), and potentially a third very high pick. Next year's draft is being touted as possibly even better (certainly DEEPER) than this year's.

This is to say nothing about the likelihood of Sakic signing with another team, and they'll get a bundle of young talent (possibly Mattias Ohlund + picks from Vancouver) as compensation. They really don't need Sakic that much, since they already have a great young core to build around.

The only question, really (well, aside from the question of what they'll do when Roy is finished), is whether they can afford to keep all their players. That's one reason they'll probably not match whatever is offered to Sakic, or match and then trade him - they won't want to pay him the kind of money he's worth right now. Instead they can look 4-5 years down the road when their core players are in their prime, and they also have several young stars from all the draft picks they've acquired.

So I wasn't really comparing them to the Habs dynasties, but I do think Colorado could put together a dynasty that rivals the 80's Oilers or possibly the 70's Habs. The Habs had many dynasties though, obviously... I'm not saying that'll be the case with Colorado. But they're certainly in an enviable position right now - they have the best team in the NHL, potentially capable of winning more cups in the next few years, AND they've built towards an incredible future at the same time.

BTW, are you SURE Kurt Cobain wasn't a martyr? I dunno man...

-fuckfuck

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Date: Wed, 21 May 97 14:18:26 +0200 From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de Subject: Old Brit prog(ish) Message-ID: <9705211218.AA00403@sundoc13.software-ag.de>

Hi all

yesterday I received a small parcel from my ex-wife. Having first made sure that it wasn't ticking (you can never be too sure), I opened it to find a whole bunch of old tapes that she had found while clearing out a cupboard in the cellar. I was tempted to throw them out, but then I started looking at what was one them and my little face lit up: tons of really ancient British bands that I had recorded back in 81 prior to moving here to Germany. Stuff like

Curved Air - Air Cut Caravan - Cunning Stunts (try saying that when you're drunk!) The Nice - Five Bridges Suite Gryphon - Red Queen To Gryphon Three Incredible String Band - The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter

and so on and so on.

I had (am having) a great time listening to all of this stuff, with some great musicians taking me back to the time when I envied bigger kids who had spots and wished I could have my teeth in a brace.

If any of you have any of these albums hanging around, dust them down, dig out that old turntable (I know it's in here somewhere), put on those old flared trousers and that Afghan coat (boy, did those things stink) and take a trip down nostalgia alley - you won't regret it.

Unfortunately the quality of the recordings was pretty poor, and storing the tapes in cold cellar for the last 10 years or hasn't improved it, so it looks like I might be trying to track down some of these gems on CD pretty soon. There goes my pay rise.

stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: The Strawbs - Hero And Heroine

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 15:21:09 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: noobies Message-ID: <199705211227.PAA17525@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>

> from writing "Hi my name is (Fill in the blank) I'm from (Fill in > country or state) and I love Dream Theater and other progressive and > metal bands, please write to me." This isnt a fuckin 12-step program.

"Anybody know when the new album is due? Thanks. John Doe."

Raitz

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 05:27:40 PDT From: "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: We're not in Kansas anymore Message-ID: <199705211227.FAA14875@f40.hotmail.com>

Hey,

Chris Ptacek and I have had an interesting discussion of the recent post bringing up the Kansas list as a better place than the ytsejam. Though I thought it was good to give an example of a situation that we should aspire to reach, his opinion was that the Kansas list is made up of different people, and what works for them won't necessarily work for us. Good point.

I can't resist in noting though that they've successfully completed an internet tribute CD. :) It'll be available soon on DREG records. Are you sure they don't give a good example to follow? :) Just something to think about.

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 15:31:54 100 From: "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: VICIOUS RUMORS REALLY HAD A NEW SINGER!!! Message-ID: <22E618A4EE7@jurs1.jura.uni-osnabrueck.de>

Hi guys!

Hey, to crush every vicious rumors about Vicious Rumors:

I received a fax from their record-company and it's true: Geoff Thorpe decided (after the "Something Burning" desaster) to recrute a new singer! In the moment I've forgot the name but it's an unknown guy who never sang in a band before. Geoff says that he really kicks ass!

So look out again for VICIOUS RUMORS!!!!

Michael

*************************************************** * "So where do we begin * * and what else can we say? * * When the lines are all drawn * * What should we do today?" * * * * "A Pleasant Shade * * Of Gray" - Fates Warning * * * * * * Michael Kohsiek * * Blumenesch 8a Siegerlandstr.15 * * 49078 Osnabrueck 48527 Nordhorn * * Tel.: 0541/43771 05921/722272 * * Germany * * * ***** "still writing letters in my head..." ******

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Date: Wed, 21 May 97 9:29:07 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dream Disc catalog Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+sSjUnA@tcx.tcco.com>

I've ordered about 20 CDs from this place so far and about 15 of them have been excellent. I usually go by the descriptions and pretty much rely on them to figure what's "Dream Theater-influenced". But lately, it seems like a LOT of stuff is being labelled "Must-have prog", "essential prog metal", "DT and Crimson Glory influenced", etc....

I was wondering if anyone else has gotten something from Dream Disc that they could recommend. Parish, Conception, Threshold, Black Jester, Shadow Gallery and all of the Angra CDs have been very cool (especially with this long delay between DT albums).

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 09:17:19 -0400 From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: La, la, la, la... Message-ID: <199705211334.AA03042@gateway2.prudential.com>

Hiya, Still displaced (as if you cared), but I'm working on it. Compaq suqs. Oh, and I hit 22, then went to the DT Fix show a week later and forgot that I had turned 22 and wrote down 21 on the Birch Hill's mailing list sign up. Still haven't gotten a damn thing for signing it though. This was in someone's sig: >!!! Progressive will not dead !!!

Umm... In your post is bad enough, but having something like this in your sig can ruin someone's image of you completely. Like anyone care's about my IMHOs anyway... jeremy wrote: >but no good "She's only seventeeeeeen".

I saw Motley Crue's "Without You" in the 450's, and besides, Winger would place a lot higher than the 400's. :) And there really isn't much bias on this countdown because it calculates the popularity of the videos over MTV's entire time, not as people view them now. You can still count on "Jeremy" being #1 though. Or maybe "Thriller"... Just an aside: with all this talk about how MTV ignores metal, I just thought I'd mention an MTV news story I saw Monday (after watching that Crue video) that talked about Rob Halford and Judas Priest going their separate ways. It freaked me out that they actually had a story like this one there. Maybe they're not all bad... Mike wrote: >when my boss came over to tell me that this email redlined our email >obscenity meters, he wondered why I was laughing so damn hard I was >crying...

This is a riot! Seriously guys, can we cut back on the cursing, some of us are at work...

>Friday was the birthdate of Captain Morgan

DOH! Did I miss his birthday again! He's gonna kill me... How old is he now? 130, 140?

>because I've been busy getting a 4.0 in my classes this semester.

A pox on your name!!!! :P

>Always bet on black.

That movie sucked.

>> "Fucking unoriginal bastard!" -Tollbooth Willy

>"If elected mayor, ma'first order of business would be to kill every >last one'a ya, and burrrn your town to cinders!" > --Groundskeeper Willy

"I did not inhale." --Slick Willy

James GarretT said: >Disaster Area,

Got any more info on these guys? Saw them six years ago and was wondering if they were sitll around... Dr. Mosh wrote: >If any of you are in the CT, NE, NY Area...

Umm... Nebraska is nowhere near Connecticut or New York, just so you know. :) Mark wrote: >There are two things that the article neglects:

Actually, your points are a bit off here... Megadeth for one doesn't play arenas anymore and the last MD and AC/DC albums were nowhere near multi-platinum. And Pearl Jam doesn't play the larger venues because of the whole Ticketmaster thing. On the whole, your argument is good, but for the most part, you're comparing ten year old established artists to one year old radio wonders. The current trend in music hasn't been around long enough to build that kind of fan base. Although No Doubt, Alanis, and Green Day have sold out arenas and the like...

Andrew Forcier Waiting on a new P.O.S. Compaq...

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:39:08 -0200 From: Thiago Zaninotti <zaninott@uol.com.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the ALTURA band. Message-ID: <3382ECEC.1DB3@uol.com.br>

Ola Jammers!

Does anybody know something about the ALTURA band ? I got their CD: mercy from magna carta and it really drove me crazy. I would like to know if they are recording or something... Cya!

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:00:16 100 From: "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: VOTE FOR FATES!! Message-ID: <22EDA7C1476@jurs1.jura.uni-osnabrueck.de>

Hi Fates Warning - Fans!!

What's the matter with you? It's not so hard to surf to MIND ON MUSIC - database on the adress

http://www.cs.uit.no/Music/

A PLEASANT SHADE OF GRAY !!!

By the way: you can do the same for STEEL PROPHET or TREASURE LAND!!!

So, take your time, surf and vote!!

Michael

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