YTSEJAM Digest 2586
Today's Topics:
1) generic prog??
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
2) Digest 2585
by Irene Raceu <majesty@voyager.net>
3) Re: First Ytsejam Digest, New stuff
by "Mr. B" <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
4) gone?
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
5) Satan's Eggs, Zappa, Sheehan & ELP, hypocrites, stereotypes, and high-pitched singers
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
6) 2112 21:12
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
7) Been on here a long time....
by Mark Stahl <Mark.Stahl@sgc.infonet.com>
8) Re: 2112 , FUCK YEAH!
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
9) my short reply
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
10) Re: New DT predictions
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
11) pigmentcolorsmusicaltasteswomen...
by szebro1@gl.umbc.edu
12) TOTO
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
13) Re: History of the jam
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
14) Re: The Cone of Silence...
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
15) ProgFest 97 - Day 1 Short Review
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
16) Re: HA! HA HA!
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
17) in search of bafu vai
by Thrak75@aol.com
18) Rap: an epitaph...
by Austin Danger Powers <thetgyi@BGNet.bgsu.edu>
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 23:19:25 -0500
From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: generic prog??
Message-ID: <19970524041924294.AAA157@bforst.busprod.com>
Yea, so I went down to the local discount warehouse today and picked up some
generic prog. I mean I would buy the real stuff but I ain't got the dough.
So I got a few discs from "Always Save Records".. picked up a "Dream
Drive-In" cd and a "Fates Alarm Clock". You see its the same stuff but not
performed by the real artists but some lowly out of work musicians. Much
cheaper..especially if you buy in bulk!! I decided not to go with the 200
disc "PROG CUBE!!" It was on one of the higher shelves about three stories
up and I was scared for my life if it fell. So I just picked up crate of
generic 80's metal which was on clearance for $10.99 for a crate of 500;
figured it would make a good endtable/ conversation piece. Gonna have to
paint it though since the blaring yellow inserts make my eyes start to
twitch uncontrollably. :)
Imagine that...!?!
"Generic prog fan" !=3D "fan of generic prog"; #does not equal
but rather...
"Generic prog fan" =3D=3D "generic fan of prog"; #is an equal value
=BABruce=BA
bforst@busprod.com
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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 00:20:00
From: Irene Raceu <majesty@voyager.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Digest 2585
Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19970524002000.2edf3162@voyager.net>
Carlos asked:
>>does anyone know..which is the highest rock singer octave-wise?
I did send this to him privately, but in case anyone else would be
interested I think it may be Jim Gillette. He used to be in Nitro, don't
know if he is anymore or whatever became of him to begin with. But the guy
was able to supposedly break glass with his voice. I guess that was part
of their show. Besides Michael Angelo's (guitars) wild playing, the
breaking crystal was an added attraction :) I remember him commenting
about problems with some equipment though that had glass to it... that
they'd break sometimes too. Now, I don't know if that's true, but his
voice was very damn high and shrill. :)
Irene
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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 00:54:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Mr. B" <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: First Ytsejam Digest, New stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970524005310.19886B-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
On Fri, 23 May 1997, Soul Madness wrote:
> Hey, can someone send me the first ytsejam digest or the closest to the
> first. I'm really curious how things have or haven't changed.
I read the first jam a while ago. Most posts went like this:
"Hey...this is (enter name). I love DT. IS this thing working yet??? Hope
this works. Bye."
Brandon
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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 00:07:42 -0500
From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: gone?
Message-ID: <19970524050741650.AAA171@bforst.busprod.com>
Child: Mommy.. Where do people go when they unsubscribe?
Mommy: Well sweetie... if they've been a good poster they go to a much
better place. A place of beautiful DTC and there's never any flamewars and
everyone lives in the continuos rapture of Labrie's soaring melodies;
Portnoy's unbelievable fills; Myung's lulling thudding consistancy; Moore
and Sherinian's dual keyboard rhythms and harmonized leads; and Petrucci's
mind-numbing mastery...
Child: What about Dominici?!
Mommy: errr.. well... of course he's there too. But he's not singing!!
Child: What about people who have flamed others without provocation; posted
top ten lists and asked questions that were in the FAQ over and over again?
Mommy: Well if they repent and post DTC for pennance they are usually
forgiven...
Child: ..and if they don't??
Mommy: ACK mode on the "disco-lover's mailing list" for the rest of=
eternity!
Child: <cries>
Mommy: People unsubcribe.. that's the harsh reality. We just have to
continue posting and lurking and remember fondly those that have unsubbed...
=BABruce=BA
bforst@busprod.com
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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 00:04:13 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Satan's Eggs, Zappa, Sheehan & ELP, hypocrites, stereotypes, and high-pitched singers
Message-ID: <19970524040834.AAA12401@ernst-d>
> Two interesting videos were shown on Metalla last night: Inequality
Street by
> Skyclad (hi to all the other Skyclad fans out there), and Die Eier von
Satan
> by Tool, which was really weird -
You mean they actually made a video of that? Man, only from Tool :)
>>QUOTES WORTH MENTIONING
>
>Zappa can be so insightful when he's not stoned. (WAS, R.I.P.)
Actually, Zappa was always straight as far as alcohol and drugs go (he did
smoke though). He just liked fucking with the average american's head :)
All this talk about ELP reminded me about something. Has anybody heard of
Billy Sheehan's new project? Don't remember the name, but it was him, a
keyboardist and a drummer... it was supposed to be very ELP-ish, but I
never got to hear it.
>From: Buck Stodgers
>just so you all know: I'm a raving hypocrite. Thanks.
You know, i was listening to ' The Mirror' as i read this, and right after
I finished, came the 'Hypocrite' line.
cool
><sigh> It wasn't even really a _joke_, per se. It was just a
lighthearted
>comment on my opinion of rap. I've tried to be openminded about it, gave
>it several years of very frequent listening, and have decided that it's
I think the reason you got flamed was not because of your opinion, but
because of all the stereotypes in your post. Stereotypes shouldn't be said
so light-heartedly. A lot of ppl take offence to such comments no matter
how they're posted.
>does anyone know..which is the highest rock singer octave-wise? whos the
>guy that can hit the highest octave in rock..?
Well, everytime I've heard an extremely high note, I try to find it on the
ol' keyboard, and the highest i've heard is a Bb (either that or an Ab) by
both Tate at the end of 'London', and the guy from Crimson Glory in some
song on 'Transcendence'. And Andre Matos hits a pretty high one at the end
of that song b4 Z.I.T.O on Holy Land, but I haven't figured out what note
it is.
--------------------QUOTES WORTH MENTIONING-------------------
"Scientists believe that the universe is made of hydrogen,
because they claim it's the most plentiful ingredient. I claim
that the most plentiful ingredient is stupidity."-Frank Zappa
Ernesto Schnack
ernie@pananet.com
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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 02:21:28 -0500
From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 2112 21:12
Message-ID: <v01530500afac3429cbaf@[207.79.6.174]>
>> 1. 2112 21:12
Is 2112 really 21 minutes and 12 seconds? That would be pretty darn cool.
Never stopped to add it all up. (mine's a vinyl version, CD's on it's way)
>> I live two exits before the Bay Bridge off US 50.
I Live ON US 50! (but not in Maryland) Ya-know somebody wrote a book about
this road. Maybe I'll read it someday.
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Date: 24 May 97 02:41 EDT
From: Mark Stahl <Mark.Stahl@sgc.infonet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Been on here a long time....
Message-ID: <@x400gw.infonet.com>
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With all this talk about how long people have been on the 'jam
I thought to myself "how long have I been on?" Well as far as
I can remember It was in the spring of '94 I think it was way back
around Jam 500 or so. Most of the time having been spent in lurker
mode(and enjoying every minute). I totally agree with the people that
say this list is like a family. You really have to endure through the
bad stuff till you get the the good stuff. I've learned about alot of
new bands from this list and I can't thank everybody enough. A toast
to all the great years that are still to come(imagine a cold one in
one of your hands).
-mark
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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 02:51:20 EDT
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: 2112 , FUCK YEAH!
Message-ID: <19970523.235452.12150.3.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
No, it's just over 20:00 (20:09 I think)
Scott
ps: Whoever had posted the WDADU vinyl (I didn't see a name on
the post) I'd be interested in obtaining that. Please email me with
your price and as long as I can afford it I'll take it! :-)
pps. I'm watching Sammy Hagar on Letterman as I write this.
If you like good rock and roll GET THIS ALBUM! IT ROCKS!!!!
>Is 2112 really 21 minutes and 12 seconds? That would be pretty darn
>cool.
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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 02:52:24 -0300
From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
To: "ytsejam mailing list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: my short reply
Message-ID: <19970524075639.AAA25134@alexis1>
Hey people! Time for me to say something back about the rap thing.
Despite all the different comments that were made complaining about my post
and replying how I am wrong, I still think the same way as before. The
thing I didn't say in my post is that I do like some rap, and I, as well as
Adam and other people, have been listening to rap for ages. There are some
rap songs I like, but most of them I just don't. Period. I think the same
way as Adam, and that's the way it is. I have given it a chance, but it
hasn't worked. Actually, I used to like rap a lot more before than I do
now. I guess having my brother play it so much has made me biased. Well,
the point is (I'm falling asleep on my keyboard as I write, but I want to
get this over with) that I really don't care if people write stuff about me
based on my opinion on rap, that won't make me change. They can write
whatever they want and express their opinion, but that doesn't mean they're
right and I'm wrong. If somebody says something useful and full of
thought, then I might consider it and give it some thought. And if people
want to insult me based on what I write, it just makes me laugh. I'm
pretty sure that would not happen in person, and if it did it would not be
pretty. People sometimes get way too excited in front of a computer and
think that they just rule the earth and they can go around insulting others
and doing whatever they want. I really don't care, but it's just amusing
to think what would happen if all this happened in person....... Alright,
I'm rambling. Enough. Go listen to rap if you like, I know I won't. Bye!
Alexis (a guy, by the way, lo que pasa es que en español es nombre de
varón).
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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 02:36:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: New DT predictions
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970524023240.16075A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
Phil Carter said:
>Months later, a genuine spacecraft from another world will show up. The
>aliens' first words on arrival: "Who is this Dream Theater we hear so
>much about?"
"John Petrucci?"
"Yes."
"John *Peter* Petrucci?"
"Yes."
"You are kneebitter."
"Excuse me?"
"A complete and total kneebitter."
(Any Hitchhiker fans? :)
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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 04:16:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: szebro1@gl.umbc.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: pigmentcolorsmusicaltasteswomen...
Message-ID: <199705240816.EAA25299@umbc9.umbc.edu>
>
> > > I always though White was, and Black was the absence of any color
> > > :)
> >
> > Doubting me Mr. Parmet? What are those government training classes
> > doing to your brain? :) Someone one back me up on this. I remember
> > it from Physics.
>
> Sorry, Bucky, Jon's right. Mixing all colrs creates white. Black is
> the absence of all color. Things only reflect the color of light
> that they are composed of. White is composed of all and reflects all
> colors back at you. Black reflects none and remains black. That's
> why darkness is black. No light. :) But when I mix all my
> crayolas together it seems to get darker... I think I saw that
> posted before... :) All colors reflect white, all colors blend
> black, I think...
Time to play devil's advocate. :)
Are we talking about light or pigment? If you take normal light <WHITE
light> and split it into its component parts with a prism you see the
colors of the spectrum. If you get another prism and recombine the
spectrum, the result is called BLACK light <even though it LOOKS white>.
Always bet on black. :)
If you are talking about pigment, then white is the ABSENCE of all color,
and black is the PRESENCE of all color. This is why the crayons do this.
It is called the crayola effect. :P
> to. So what? A girl I used to date hated metal, she liked singers like
> Brandy. It didn't make me angry one bit. Not my fault some people have
> bad taste :)
My last girlfriend HATED Rush and Dream Theater. She was also just about
the most despicable person I have ever met. Coincidence? :)
Now, however, I am dating someone who LOVES DT and a bunch of other really
cool music. Chicks who like to rock are cool.
Steve Z
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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 03:01:05 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TOTO
Message-ID: <199705241001.DAA09159@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Albert Balkiewicz said:
>
>> "Cut the line....E-mail isn't always on time"
>
> EXCELLENT! I may be the only one who got this. Toto is
> another pretty decent group. Rosanna is definitely in my
> top 5 songs of all time......Who says Ytsejammers are
> close-minded fuckfaces, yadda, yadda........
Heh, if you dig TOTO, get the import called Absolutely Live... SIMON PHILLIPS
drums on it!! YAHH!!
It's got most of their classic tunes... Rosanna, Georgy Porgy, Hold the Line
and much more on an excellent recording, Steven Lukather really smokes on the
album...
-The Doc
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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 03:06:07 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: History of the jam Message-ID: <199705241006.DAA09202@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Eric Rodger said: >Are all of the old jams archived somewhere? I'd love to see when I >actually did join, and it would be easy to recognize, because I asked a ton >of questions within my first week on the 'jam, and ended up getting flamed >pretty bad. I think the Doc flamed me. Wouldn't surprise me... Does that >spark any memories Doc?
Heh, man... I've flamed so many newbies... or made fun of them... I just can't remember you! ;) Anyways... Ken Bibb or Jason Hough might have some of the really OLD jams...
In fact... I was checking my old mail archives and came across mail from when we were deciding what to do with ytsejam before moving the server over to ax.com.
> >Also, when did the jam start? Someone mentioned digest 60 in the spring of >'93, but that doesn't sound right to me. And what was the server name >before arastar.com? >
Yeesh... I can't even remember when it started... or how... weren't we talking about it on alt.rnr.metal.progressive??
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:56:51 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: The Cone of Silence... Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970523225649.007c8620@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 02:45 PM 5/23/97 -0700, you wrote: >2) No top anything lists, right? Okay. I'll rephrase all of this, couch >it in something else. Contemporary music has brought us a host of good >vocalists. Some personal favorites: Geoff Tate, Ray Alder, David Coverdale, >Linda Thompson. B.B. King always sounds tremendous, though his range isn't <<<<<<Snip>>>>>>
Thank you Adam! This is how a "list" should be done!
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 03:17:08 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com, freaks@ax.com Subject: ProgFest 97 - Day 1 Short Review Message-ID: <199705241017.DAA09289@gms.gmsnet.com>
Sinkadus was mellow... but neverthless very good...
I really feel for you Milwaulkeans... because Arena blew me out of the arena... hehe..... actually... it was a theater... barring a shitty sound system and a power outtage in the middle of the set, it was nothing short of amazing...
Le Orme put on an excellent show...
And I've never heard any of these bands before tonight!
-The Doc
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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 09:17:37 -0400 From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: HA! HA HA! Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970523120446.007b3100@ionsys.com>
>I'M SEEING MEGADETH! I'M SEEING MEGADETH!!! > >HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAA! It finally pays to live on the WESTERN side of
My condolances.
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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 10:18:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: in search of bafu vai Message-ID: <970524101807_-828732654@emout08.mail.aol.com>
hey guys, i hope skadz or the fates let this message get thru. i hope ya'll bitches are doing good. just a quickie. if bafu vai's in the house, someone have him send me an email (thrak75@aol.com). i'd much appreciate it. thanks.
be back here in june.
ytsegoon (the panty sniffer formerly known as wildkoba)
****************************************************************************** *******david y. kobayashi thrak75@aol.com
"i bring truth and understanding, i bring wit and wisdom fair- precious gifts beyond compare." -neil peart ****************************************************************************** *******
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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 11:43:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Austin Danger Powers <thetgyi@BGNet.bgsu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rap: an epitaph... Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.970524114026.28654A-100000@falcon.bgsu.edu>
..to this thread. I remember reading the original post and becoming infuriated, and then coming to the conclusion that eventually someone would express my point of view. As usual that happened. But, I thought even more about it, and instead of just looking at what's hip right now as far as rap as concerned, I looked at the big picture. I'm going to address background, musicianship, heavy metal, and hard rock. AOHell fell through as usual, so I'm using my school account to convey my message. The material that's coming out today isn't reflective of yesteryear. Rap had become a New York City street phenomenon by the late 70's. Kicking up from Jamaican sound systems, enterprising teenagers hacked into streetlights for juice, and set up impromptu parties in playgrounds and parks. Armed with two turntables, two copies each of records with danceable instrumental "breaks", and their bare hands, deejays would spin new music out of the fragments of stuff like "Scorpio" and "Walk This Way." Rappers would improvise rhyming routines over the beats, usally nothing more than a call to get down and boogie, but revolutionary nonetheless. For those of you who don't consider rap to be "music", I hope you can recognize that it is a means of expression. I see no difference between some of the attitudes rap convey and how grunge perceives the world: angst depression, despair, alienation. They both feel similar emotions, they just convey it in different ways. That, and how record companies, the media, and the artists themselves want us to interpret them. As far as musicianship in rap, two words: Sugar Hill. For the uninitiated, the Sugar Hill house band was Doug Wimbish on bass, Keith LeBlanc on drums, and Skip McDonald on guitar. Wimbish went on to join my favorite band of all time, Living Colour. He is one of my biggest influences on the bass along with Geddy Lee, Muzz Skillings, Jason Newsted, and John "Seoul Man" Myung. I wish WildKoba the Ytsegoon were here to back me up, because these guys (Sugar Hill) are one of the most underrated rhythm sections in rock and roll. These guys burn. As soon as I have enough money, you can bet I'm going to pick up the Sugar Hill box set and listen to the music the way I did with James Brown's "Star Time". As far as heavy metal and rap being two diametrically opposed genres, remember the Judgment Night soundtrack? Collaborations between Helmet & House of Pain, Living Colour & Run D.M.C., Biohazard & Onyx, Faith No More & Boo-Yaa Tribe, and Slayer & Ice-T? Obviously, these bands didn't think that they were superior to play with the other. And, how about my favorite collaboration: Anthrax & Public Enemy doing "Bring The Noise"? These bands didn't just hook up for a one-shot gig, they friggin' toured together. And I remeber when the video was on Headbanger's Ball AND Yo MTV Raps, those were the days... Finally, I think rap has had an effect on hard rock. I think bands like Red Hot Chili Peppers, Faith No More, and Rage Against The Machine are more accessible in part because they're vocalists employ rap-style delivery. Granted, Patton really sang and berserker-screamed on "King For A Day", but "Epic" sounds like a rap song. Anthony Kiedis is another example, and Zach De La Rocha is obvious. On a sidenote, a co-worker brought the Beastie Boys' "Licensed To Ill" in to listen, and instead of bringing up memories from sixth grade, I realized what a terrible album (IMO) it is. I'm glad these guys learned to play their instruments, because not only do their last two albums "rock", they groove. I am by no means a huge rap fan, but I do tolerate, respect, appreciate, and enjoy certain rap artists. I can see why whitey prog-fans have difficulties accepting it, and they are all entitled to their opinions. But, I felt it necessary to address my point of view and maybe "open some eyes", if you will. You can like heavy metal and rap, and I sure as hell do.
Sincerely,
G. Jack Thetgyi
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