YTSEJAM Digest 2595
Today's Topics:
1) And this Mariah Carey thing...
by eckie@asu.edu
2) Myung is NOT a crap artist!
by Charlie Patel <patelc@ro.com>
3) six octaves
by gra@provida.no
4) In color.....and in black and white
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
5) PT and TDoW
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
6) Angra show, DT popularity
by Christian Albert Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com>
7) Sorta DTC: Rudess-Morgenstein Project
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
8) I hate you people.
by John Cummings <cummings@ee.ualberta.ca>
9) Forever The Machine Never
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
10) New album called T.B.A. :-)
by Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
11) new vids
by Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
12) Re: Myung is NOT a crap artist!
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
13) Re: new vids
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
14) Fates Euro Tour
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
15) Re: Tablatures and many others
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
16) looking for bootlegs
by "D. Schoen" <denis.schoen@tip.nl>
17) reply to 2594 NDTC
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
18) RE: Full albums late at night
by Mark Hatch-Miller <ace@onfire.net>
19) I'm a happy camper (PT/TDOW)...
by "Mr. B" <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
20) Re: Full albums late at night
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 01:43:59 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: And this Mariah Carey thing...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970529013636.16365B-100000@general1.asu.edu>
Yeah, my li'lest bro has a couple of her CD's, and I could stand a couple
of her songs when I was in junior high school, but...
after a little bit of insight from my terminally-singing Music Theater
major room mate and a little more research into Mariah's songs, she has
this "normal" range (forgive me, I have NO idea what the range is), this
HUGE gap in between, and then the falsetto/scream/wailing range. Anybody
else notice this gap?
Yeah, I'm impressed whenever I see glass break (oh, btw, has anybody seen
this wierd as shit German movie about this boy who falls down stairs to
prevent himself from growing up, and lives his life as a midget who can
break glass with his scream and less-than-Porntoy drumming abilities?) at
the sound of some GUY'S voice :P, but heh,
I personally get a kick out of 'em guys with the third testicle...Type O
'n shit. How low can you goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo?
'kay, I'm dun.
~Ecksteramma
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 03:59:32 -0500
From: Charlie Patel <patelc@ro.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Myung is NOT a crap artist!
Message-ID: <01BC6BE4.B7CE5700@ts1p3.ro.com>
In response to Wackilla Ice's message:
It was me who said that Sarah McLachlin's music is crap. I mistakenly =
mistook her bassist for John Myung. Her actual bassist his Brian Minato. =
Thank god I was mistaken Thanks to Wackilla Ice for verifying that John =
is not a crap artist...
Myung rules!
Charlie Patel
patelc@ro.com
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:27:33 +0100
From: gra@provida.no
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: six octaves
Message-ID: <412564A6.004442BF.00@oslo1.provida.no>
>Oh, and while we're on the subject: NO ONE has a six octave vocal range.
>If I heard this guy sing seven f's <randomly selected note> all in
>different octaves, then I'll believe it, but it just won't happen. I
>mean, the guy is married to Lita Ford, right? That really doesn't say
>much for his credibility.
>Steve Z
There's this norweigan guy, Jan Werner Danielsen who indeed has a six
octave vocal range ....
-.profile
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:54:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: In color.....and in black and white
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970529084522.16453A-100000@moonpatrol.rs.itd.umich.edu>
(is the second part a part of the official album title?)
(speaking of talking in colors, y'all oughta go out and read Arthur C.
Clarke's Rama series, followed closely by his 2001...series)
sarah mclachan (don't think i spelled it right) is tres cool.....
I'd bet against mr myung being in that video.....but i've been wrong
before, and i'd love to be proven wrong now......even if it were, what
effect could that possibly have on DT? maybe he just happened to walk
across the set while they were shooting the video, and ms. mclachan just
dug the way he walked, so silently and untalkitively.....or was he
actually playing his instrument in the video
talking about radio stations playing full albums.......
WRIF in detroit used to do something a while back they called "the seventh
day"......on sunday mornings, they would play 7 full albums back to back
to back....i remember taping the Scorps' Crazy World album, and taping a
van halen album less than a week after it was released (i wanna say it was
for unlawful...., lost the tape, had no interest in getting the album for
real, don't remember no more....)
partha
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:36:50 -0500
From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: PT and TDoW
Message-ID: <338DA292.319@auburn.net>
Hey everyone! I got a shiny happy package in the mail from the honorable
Mike Bahr yesterday. My Precious Things disc was #143, my Darkest of
Winters was #141, and my Wrath of God (after MUCH ado) was unnumbered.
So to everyone that wasn't right there in the top few discs ... our
numbers are coming up!
Mark Peters
swifty@auburn.net
whose VS discs will be #34 :)
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:37:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christian Albert Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Angra show, DT popularity
Message-ID: <199705291537.LAA10504@brickbat9.mindspring.com>
Hi everyone,
I thought I'd share with you some interesting facts about my visit to Brazil
last month, to visit my folks. I went to see Angra at a city nearby, and I
was amazed at the number of people wearing Dream Theater shirts. Literally 2
out of 10 people had a DT shirt on, and there were more than a thousand
people in the club (they reportedly sold 1200 tickets). The only band that
had more people wearing their t-shirts was Iron Maiden (still huge down
there). Lots of Angra and Manowar shirts, too...
Another interesting fact, for guitar players, is that, having seen Angra
twice, I noticed that the two guitar players exchange solos on songs from
one show to another, especially in the songs from the Angels Cry CD. I
noticed at least a couple songs where compared to the previous show I had
been to (July 96) they had exchanged the solo. Finally, they had a "guest"
on the song Streets of Tomorrow, which was the guitar player from the
original line-up (he left before the Reaching Horizons tape). That guy also
played the solo just as well as if he had written it himself. Well, maybe he
did :)
Btw, the concert was great, just as good as the one I saw last year, and it
was perfectly flawless. I still can't believe Andre Matos is as good live as
he is, but he does pull off everything he sings in the CDs. Even the end of
Make Believe. I can't believe Iron Maiden refused him (that is true, my
friends). Well, lucky for us. Angra is better than anything Iron Maiden
could ever have done.
Cheers,
~KillMary
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:49:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: "Distributor of fine NDTC: Ytsejam Inc" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Sorta DTC: Rudess-Morgenstein Project
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970529114321.29565B-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
The Rudess-Morgenstein Project is doing some clinics/dates across
the country this summer. And one in Boston! For those who
don't know, Jordan Rudess was in the running to replace Kevin Moore during
the Awake tour, and Rudess and Morgenstein have opened for DT in 95 and 96
on the east coast dates! Go check em out for some good instrumental prog:
All of the following dates are clinics/shows.
June 2nd Sam Ash Miami FL
June 3rd Sam Ash Columbus Ohio
June 4th Sam Ash King of Prussia PA
June 9th Guitar Center Covina CA
June 10th TBA
June 11th Guitar Center Fountain Valley CA
June 12th Guitar Center Hollywood CA
June 30th Guitar Center Dallas Texas
July 1st Guitar Center Arlington Texas
July 2nd Guitar Center N. Houston Texas
July 3rd Guitar Center Danvers MASS
For other RMP info, check out http://www.bway.net/~jordan/update.html
-jeremy
+=====================================================================+
# grad student, Boston U. # "Some people fly, and some of us worry #
# Boston, MA 02134 # I'd risk it all to have wings #
# Astronomy # I know if I try, I'll get where I'm going #
#<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># keeping my eyes on the sky" #
#<*> jhallum@bu.edu <*># -Queensryche, "Some people Fly" #
#<*>jhallum@dreamt.org <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ #
+=====================================================================+
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:52:15 -0600 (MDT)
From: John Cummings <cummings@ee.ualberta.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I hate you people.
Message-ID: <199705291551.IAA18958@odin.ax.com>
I hate you people.
Every time I read a jam, I find out about at least one new CD I want to buy.
At this rate, I'll have no money to eat.
Dreams are free, but you get soaked on the connect time.
====-=-==== Jack (John) Cummings == cummings@nyquist.ee.ualebrta.ca ====-=-====
========== for pgp public key -- finger cummings@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca ==========
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:05:43 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Forever The Machine Never
Message-ID: <199705291705.KAA14327@main.cfmc.com>
Gimme two steps....
1) Yeah, King's X is a hell of a band. That sentiment seems to be echoed an
awful lot here. The advice to go back and look at their early work is good
advice. I'd say "Ear Candy" is their second-best effort, sandwiched between
"Gretchen Goes To Nebraska" (their second record) and "Out Of The Silent
Planet" (their first record).
2) Ran into another site with some progressive music info. It isn't really
copious, but there are briefs on a fair number of albums, if you want
independnt corroboration of sentiments expressed here. The address is
http://headymetal.simplenet.com.
Five Gratuitous CD's:
=====================
1. Rush: Critical Mass (Disk 1)
2. Rush: Critical Mass (Disk 2)
3. Charlie Haden/Pat Metheny: Beyond The Missouri Sky
4. Bad Religion: The Grey Race
5. Altura: Mercy
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:03:46 +0100
From: Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New album called T.B.A. :-)
Message-ID: <2tl1FLAijajzEwpG@tequila.demon.co.uk>
Hey , the mail order company that i get a lot of cd's from has this
in its latest mailing list:
DREAM THEATER T.B.A. (New Japan CD Album due early
August) UK 20.99/$33
( Yes i know what it means so please don't point it out)
-- Gary Cleghorn Mmmmmm... donuts whoo-hoo------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:08:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: new vids Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.93.970529105958.27568A-100000@mcl.ucsb.edu>
I managed to get a very very bad copy of a DT show from 1989 with Dominici on vocals. Very cool stuff, Dominici hits all his notes. I was suprised to see 'To Live Forever' which I always thought was a IandW era song. There are only about 30 or so people in the crowd. I think it is called a MCA Records showcase or something.
I also got a NY awake show and was pleasantly suprised to see them play 'The Ones who help set the sun'. I could have sworn that DT played Innocence Faded at the SF awake show. Can anyone confirm that?
How about some more reviews of that new Bruce Dickinson! Hopefully he ditched all that Skunkworks stuff.
To anyone who will be talking with Ray Alder on aol, be sure to ask him why they cancelled the Corona, CA show and also when they will tour the US. If anyone can transcribe it, that would be cool.
layba day Conrad Now Playing: CRIMSON GLORY- Transcendence DEATH ANGEL- Act III
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Date: Thu, 29 May 97 11:24:57 PST8 From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Myung is NOT a crap artist! Message-ID: <9704298649.AA864930529@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
In response to Charlie Patel's response to Wackilla Ice's message: >It was me who said that Sarah McLachlin's music is crap. I mistakenly = >mistook her bassist for John Myung. Her actual bassist his Brian Minato. >= Thank god I was mistaken Thanks to Wackilla Ice for verifying that John >= is not a crap artist... hehe... I actually saw this video last night, it was for her song called Posession (pretty cool tune), but the bass player did resemble Myung quite a bit (head down, long hair, 6 string bass), until he looked up towards the camera... (or when you saw that his fingers were definately NOT breaking any speed limits <BG>).... ~Mike
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:54:06 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: new vids Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970529145406.00ca77c0@pophost.fore.com>
At 11:15 AM 5/29/97 -0700, you wrote: > > I managed to get a very very bad copy of a DT show from > 1989 with Dominici on vocals. Very cool stuff, Dominici > hits all his notes. I was suprised to see 'To Live Forever' > which I always thought was a IandW era song. There are > only about 30 or so people in the crowd. I think it is > called a MCA Records showcase or something.
To Live Forever was definitely pre-Images and Words. I have several shows with Charlie singing this song, including the MCA showcase. The showcase is an impressive show, the songs, the lighting, etc.. but I don't think it was very representative of most shows with Charlie. A couple that I have he really really sucks on. Especially when trying to sing Metropolis (which BTW dates back as far as Charlie's existence in the band).
FYI, Metropolis, A Change of Seasons, and early versions of TTT and LTL appear on the Sundance instrumental show from 1989 (I think), and To Live Forever, Metropolis, ACOS and LTL appear on the vocalist audition tapes, which show their age a bit.
> I also got a NY awake show and was pleasantly suprised to see > them play 'The Ones who help set the sun'. I could have > sworn that DT played Innocence Faded at the SF awake show. > Can anyone confirm that?
The first few shows of the Awake tour included both IF and TOWHTSTS. IF was dropped within the first 5 shows, and TOWHTSTS lasted a little longer, but was dropped from the set soon after and replaced by a Petrucci/Sherinian jam (possibly the Awake heavy jam that appeared on Bahr's Subconscious). I caught the show in Pittsburgh which still had TOWHTSTS, but not Innocence Faded. I don't think IF ever appeared in the setlist for the remainder of the Awake tour, but was played later after ACOS was released (possibly the Home for the Holidays 95 shows).
Hope this helps.
KAI
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Date: Thu, 29 May 97 11:29:59 PST8 From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates Euro Tour Message-ID: <9704298649.AA864931231@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
I have a favor to ask of any of you jammers that are catching Fates over in Europe next month. Could you please send me setlists and reviews (if you wish) from the shows? I'll include them on the web page. Thanks... ~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream
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Date: Thu, 29 May 97 11:44:03 PST8 From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Tablatures and many others Message-ID: <9704298649.AA864932618@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>Finally! Our Dream Theater page has been updated. >http://tunder.hos.u-szeged.hu/music/dt (ex-thunder.sch.bme.hu). Enjoy! >Currently there are complete (!) guitar tablatures of Under a Glass Moon, >Caught in a Web, The Mirror and John's Rock Discipline tutorial video. >Interesting (:-)) MP3 files (come check them out), nowhere-to-be-found >pictures and other stuff like Mike's new Starclassic drum setup and >error-free lyrics. Well, since the lyrics are from the latest version of the "Unofficial" Song Book <smirk>, there is a couple of minor errors <G>... A new version is in the works (as soon as I get some more free time)... Pretty cool site though... ~Mike ~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:36:12 +0200 From: "D. Schoen" <denis.schoen@tip.nl> To: "Ytse Jam Mailing list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: looking for bootlegs Message-ID: <m0wXAzb-000FrlC@helium.tip.nl>
Hello ytse-people,
Is there anyone who can tell how to obtain the following DT Boots;
*Malibu Beach party (2cd) *Studio demo 88-90 (1cd)
I have an nice item to trade, please email me privately !
The next issue of Theater Of Dreams will be out within now and three weeks ! Including some rare photo's of the Nightmare Cinema appearence in Bonn and more !!! Printed in FULL color on glossy paper ! Don't miss this !
Denis
Theater Of Dreams Official Dutch Dream Theater Fanclub Postbus 1597 2003 BP Haarlem Holland
Membership for one year: 32.50 dutch guilders for 4 issues.
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:24:37 -0500 From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: reply to 2594 NDTC Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/00037D03@msb01itscge.gecits.ge.com>
Quoth 2594... Ever hear of Mariah Carey?? 6 octaves, bud.
Reply... I'd agree she make noise in 6 octave, but can you call the upper part of her range singing or just controlled squeaking?? Is this the female equivalent of the male falsetto voice, which can just about double even a 'normal' person's range (provided they can stay in tune)?? (Although I'm not the lead vocalist type, I've had some professional voice training from the late Dr. Dietrich Friesen, who happens to be the father of Eugene Friesen, the well-known cellist who plays w/ Paul Winter-for all you new age-jazz aficionados).
-Randall
email: Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com ***"We are Microsoft. We will assimilate you" -Star Trek TNG parody***
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:10:24 -0700 From: Mark Hatch-Miller <ace@onfire.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Full albums late at night Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970529141019.00699b70@onfire.net>
>Somebody mentioned a while ago about their town radio station playing >full albums late at night...
>KUPD has this same exact deal on >Saturday evenings at like, midnight, where they play the full albums of a >selected band for that night
Hmm.. I don't think they do that anymore Eck, and I listen to KUPD all the time!! But I do know that KJZZ, the jazz/npr station plays entire Miles Davis and Coltrane albums late at night sometimes. Cool shit!!
Mark
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Mark Hatch-Miller, ace@onfire.net
"He's noble enough to know whats right but weak enough not to choose it He's wise enough to win the world but fool enough to lose it"-
Rush, "New World Man"
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:08:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mr. B" <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: I'm a happy camper (PT/TDOW)... Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970529170317.12351A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
Hey jammers!
I just got 2 nice DT CDs in the mail. Yep, precious things and the darkest of winters. Raise the knife is pretty cool and so is lost without you. When I heard that song, I felt that I should have a candlelight dinner. Don't know why.
TDOW kicks my ass! Very cool stuff on that CD. I really liked the acoustic version of WFS; probably even better than the one on acoustic dreams. CIA9ITG kicks too much ass. Wow! Very different yet maintainging the CIAW groove.
Oh yeah, I went to both holiday shows and I have a tape of the Birch Hill 95 show, but I don't really remember this song that was on the C D called "home for the holidays jam." I was listening to it and for some reason have no memory of hearing it at the show. Oh well, I must be getting old (yeah right :)
Inconclusion, these CDs are a must have for the die-hard DT fanatic aka ytsejammers. Good job Mike!
Brandon
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:55:54 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Full albums late at night Message-ID: <19970529.145846.8646.2.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
Maybe someone in the Lost Angels area can answer this better, but I remember when KLOS used to play The Seventh Day on Sunday nights. The host was "uncle" Joe Benson.
Scott
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