YTSEJAM Digest 2594
Today's Topics:
1) Tablatures and many others
by Pasztor Szilard <surmo@falcon.sch.bme.hu>
2) Breaking Glass
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
3) Colour octaves
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
4) Highest note and vocal prowess...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
5) hey I'm here now.
by Daniel Vasconcelos Gomes <danielvg@sel.eesc.sc.usp.br>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2592
by Awake77@aol.com
7) Re: Myung playing *crap*?
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
8) singing
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
9) DT scores ??
by "Pirra" <pirra@mbox.vol.it>
10) Re: Queensryche In Philly (fwd)
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
11) Locating Spock's Beard other prog in Balt/Wash area
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
12) Re: Locating Spock's Beard other prog in Balt/Wash area
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
13) Re: Spock's Chatauqua
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
14) Categories ofDT fans!!!!
by GnRBrks@aol.com
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2593
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
16) Re: Categories ofDT fans!!!!
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
17) glass thing
by vancer1@juno.com (Ryan M Vance)
18) Fates Warning AOL Chat
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
19) Re: 6-octaves
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
20) Singing
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
21) Re: Categories ofDT fans!!!!
by eckie@asu.edu
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:33:54 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Pasztor Szilard <surmo@falcon.sch.bme.hu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tablatures and many others
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970528153322.9410A-100000@falcon.sch.bme.hu>
Finally! Our Dream Theater page has been updated.
Currently there are complete (!) guitar tablatures of Under a Glass Moon,
Caught in a Web, The Mirror and John's Rock Discipline tutorial video.
Interesting (:-)) MP3 files (come check them out), nowhere-to-be-found
pictures and other stuff like Mike's new Starclassic drum setup and
error-free lyrics.
To the lot of you who have e-mailed me with tablature requests: please
be patient (even the band say so themselves :-)), they're coming. The site
is titled "Under a Web Room" (also available from the Lifting Shadows
Official Page at http://www.rsabbs.com/dt), and the URL is:
http://tunder.hos.u-szeged.hu/music/dt (ex-thunder.sch.bme.hu). Enjoy!
I'll drop a word here when other tablatures are finished.
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| Why the hell did Kamikaze Pilots wear crash helmets? |
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:45:37 +0100 (BST)
From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Breaking Glass
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.08-0528134537-d07rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
When I want to break a glass, I usually just drop it on the floor. It's
much easier than rubbing the rim and trying to sing the exact note,
etc. It's also much better for your throat.
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 May 97 15:49:29 +0200 From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de Subject: Colour octaves Message-ID: <9705281349.AA00348@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
the last couple of jams have inspired me to ask a question that has been on my mind for quite a while:
how many colours (discounting black and white) can James LaBrie sing? I once heard that Axl Rose managed 7, but then choked on the ultraviolet, having already had trouble with the infrared (something to do with the glass micro- phone shattering or whatever). Just curious, that's all.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software.ag.de) Currently playing: Theatre Of Tragedy - A Rose For The Dead
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:29:15 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Highest note and vocal prowess... Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970528142915Z-743@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
I have to agree with the Lady here - when someone brought up Jim Gilette earlier, I though exactly the same thing. I've heard the Nitro CD's (our singer likes them - even though he won't admit it) and I've seen the band (who were so sequenced it was ridiculous) and Gilette has a high voice. It also sounds like CRAP. I'd much rather hear someone sing with good tone and control than hear them scream their head off. That's why I like Tate, LaBrie, et al - they SING, instead of screaming as high as they can.
But if you want to talk high, Eric Knutsen of Flotsam and Jetsam wins the award for either the end of "Doomsday For the Deceiver" or "No Place for Disgrace" - I've seen him nail both of these live, and he holds that note in "Doomsday" forever.
Oh yeah, his voice sounds good, too. :)
>I wonder....since when does who can hit the highest note make for a >better singer....perhaps all these years that I have been studying power, >tonality, control and pitch have been for naught. LOL >-LadyDragon > >
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 12:08:06 -0300 (EST) From: Daniel Vasconcelos Gomes <danielvg@sel.eesc.sc.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: hey I'm here now. Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970528114141.3622A-100000@POCAHONTAS>
Hey Jammers.
1)This is the first time I send a message to a mailing list.So, I don't know if my message(or e-mail) will come to you.But anyway, here is my first e-mail to this mailing list. One thing I've noticed is that some of the people of this mailing list never went to ytsejam channel.Weird.:=) 2)Last December I bought a King's X cd Dogman. At that time I didn't like the album. At least, not as much as I thought i would like it. But now I have listened people at ytsejam channel telling good things about them, and Jim Matheos (one of my fave players)seems to love them, so I tried again to listen King's X. And now I shall say I like the band. And the more I listen Dogman the more I like this album. Parallels gave me an advice, to buy the old cds from King's X. I will. 3)I have seen some old prog fans telling that they don't like new progressive music like Dream Theater,Fates Warning,etc, at the point of do not consider them as progresssive music. Let me know your opinion about. Because I like both old and new prog bands (Rush, Yes,Gentle Giant, Dream Theater, Fates Warning, Shadow Gallery, Angra, etc).
See ya all later, and forgive me for any english error.
Daniel V. Gomes (a.k.a Aragorn)
ps-Spartacus if you are at this mailing list, my Parallels cd arrived. And I got Inside Out and APSoG too. Now Fates is one my fave bands.:=)
email: danielvg@sel.eesc.sc.usp.br home page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/8551
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:20:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Awake77@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2592 Message-ID: <970528085529_520710306@emout05.mail.aol.com>
Was DT on that 'top 500 contdown' at all? How about Queensryche? Anyways, I have a question... Does anyone have any idea what Mike Romeo (Symphony X) used to get the rhythm sound on Divine Wings of Tradgedy? This album absolutely kicks ass. A big thank you goes out to Anthony Sciamana for turning me on to them. Anthony, if your listening, "Thank You!":) I know this has been posted before, but everyone on this list should by now have a copy of Clockwork's new EP "Search". If you dont, you should get a copy NOW. These guys rule. Wicked music, awesome lyrics, and everything else that makes a great progressive band great. Everyone go over to http://www.netti.fi/~japi/ and check them out. -Chris
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:53:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu> To: The Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Myung playing *crap*? Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9705281130.F126391-0100000@acs5.bu.edu>
Someone on *this* list called Sarah McLachlan's music *crap*? Was that a joke??? BTW, her bass player is Brian Minato, not John Myung.
I personally think that Sarah rules. Peace.
Wackilla Ice
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 12:45:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: singing Message-ID: <199705281645.MAA11721@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> I wonder....since when does who can hit the highest note make for a > better singer....perhaps all these years that I have been studying power, > tonality, control and pitch have been for naught. LOL > -LadyDragon > > ------------------------------ > > End of YTSEJAM Digest 2593 > **************************
YES! Thank you for saying this! <and an EOJ to boot! :P> This is an attitude I have come across innumerable times in my career, and I'm tired of it. In any competition in which i have ever been a mezzo-soprano will never win over a soprano and a bass or baritone will never win over a tenor. The range or your average bass aria is two octaves, while you average tenor aria is only about an octave and a fifth. The bass aria is much harder <lots of leaps and wider tessitura> but people would just rather hear a screaming tenor. I don't get it.
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 19:40:12 +0000 From: "Pirra" <pirra@mbox.vol.it> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT scores ?? Message-ID: <199705281742.KAA04355@odin.ax.com>
I'm looking for DT drum scores. Can you help me???
Thanx
STEo. +------------------------------+ | Daniele Pirra | | Via Sacchi, 26 | | 10128 TORINO - ITALY | | E-mail: pirra@mbox.vol.it | +------------------------------+
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:59:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Queensryche In Philly (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970528155953.8042B-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 15:58:23 -0400 (EDT) From: EWongEMI@aol.com To: drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu Subject: Re: Queensryche In Philly
Hi Dan.
Each of the Queensryche shows will be opened by a local act so it might very well be Dream Theatre. We are waiting for a full list of all the confirmed opening acts, but the best thing to do is check with the venue and the local radio station supporting it. All the best.
-ERIC
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 19:05:38 -0400 From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> To: Longshot@upn20email.com Cc: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Locating Spock's Beard other prog in Balt/Wash area Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970528190538.00691400@mail.ee.net>
The best place in the Baltimore/Washington area is a place called Of Sound Mind. It's located in a yuppie craft mall called the "Old Savage Mill" in Savage, MD. It's a suburb just south of Columbia, MD.
I live in Ohio, but most of my family lives over there. I went to this store last time I visited the area. I took Route 29 south to US 1. I don't remember from there, but there's plenty of signs once you get close.
The store is located in a complex of connected buildings that used to be a mill. The store is sort of hard to find. Its a tiny hole in the wall so its easy to miss. There's several maps of the stores located throughout the buildings.
The store itself has a real big selection of progressive rock, which is probably where Spock's Beard can be found. There is also a great selection of progressive/power metal that includes many of the bands discussed on ytsejam.
The owner, Chris Lamka (sp?), is very supportive and knowledgable of prog. He holds a small progressive music festival every now and then. When I was there in December, he said that he had contacted Angra's management about playing his next show.
Take your credit card.
Hope this helps.
Joe
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 19:30:41 -0400 From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Locating Spock's Beard other prog in Balt/Wash area Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970528193041.006956e8@mail.ee.net>
At 04:23 PM 5/28/97 -0700, you wrote: >I took Route 29 south to US 1.
Oops. that was 29 to 32 to US1.
Heres the mill's home page: http://www.antique-cntr-savage.com/
Joe
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 19:40:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Spock's Chatauqua Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970528194449.23f7927a@access.mountain.net>
At 07:21 PM 5/27/97 -0700, somebody wrote: >Question for people in the know concerning Spock's Beard: > >Who is playing the solo guitar piece from "Beware of Darkness" entitled >"Chatauqua?" It sounds like a plectrum is being used, which leads me to >believe it is the singer after seeing them live.
If you believe the liner notes from both studio albums, Neal Morse does all the acoustic stuff, in addition to lead vocals and keys. Brother Al just handles the "fun electric stuff", or something to that effect. >Also, can someone re-post the URL for the SB web page (or send it to me >privately)?
Don't have it offhand, but there's a link on my web site (URL below). Jonathan Byrne, 1L; WVU Collge of Law rael@access.mountain.net (WormWood or DrNick on IRC) Prog Page: http://access.mountain.net/~rael/progplan.htm Home Page: http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm ----------------------------------------------------------- "I was driven away to distraction and Couldn't see we were all laid to waste." -Peter Nichols, "The Wake", IQ
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 20:26:06 -0400 (EDT) From: GnRBrks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Categories ofDT fans!!!! Message-ID: <970528202455_642900396@emout01.mail.aol.com>
I wanna put in my 2 cents worth:
The digital man wrote: >The prog fan.......Talent!!!!!!!!
Right you are sir!!!!!!! What about the MUSICIANS out there who is fed up and tired of listening to all the *crap*(ie.alterantive,grunge) that is flooding the air waves?
How many of you,musicians, got into prog because of the challenge to learn,explore,and be challenged on a higher musical level? I know I did. After 12 years of jamming away at the POPular shit that was out there,then to have all that *crap* take over the air waves left me musically tired and then DT!!! What a revelation and a breath of fresh air to music they bring.I only wish I had known about DT sooner. I bought AWAKE a year after it had been released and soon after I got everything else that DT ever released that I could get my hands on.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE SIMILAR VIEWS???
signed Curious in WACO,TX!!!! FIFTEEN miles from the Tornado that demolished a small town yesterday. Whew!!!!! Too close for comfort.
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 19:23:04 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2593 Message-ID: <19970528233048.AAA23154@ernst-d>
> as you say run a wet finger around the rim. You could also do some > numerical solutions to a bunch of REALLY nasty partial differential > equations. (maybe you could do it analytically, there is cylindrical > symettry) >
that sounds like fun:) > I wonder....since when does who can hit the highest note make for a > better singer... > -LadyDragon
Never, it's just fun to find out:) But I think that in prog-metal, the emphasis is commmonly put on how high the guy can go, which actually makes no sense, because as long as a singer has good control of his/her voice and knows when and where to use it, it should be good enough.
oh well, prog-metal fans will be prog-metal fans.
.sigs suck Ernie
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 19:20:40 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Categories ofDT fans!!!! Message-ID: <199705290121.SAA01188@odin.ax.com>
> How many of you,musicians, got into prog because of the challenge to > learn,explore,and be challenged on a higher musical level? I know I did.
Count me in. What got me into music in the first place were bands like (eek! no!) Nirvana, Stone Temple Pilots, Pearl Jam, etc. so I played along with them. After time, playing any of that crap was no long a challenge at all. Amazingly <g> I didn't even have to use guitar tab to learn Nirvana songs. :) After a couple of years of advancing through difficulty stages musically: Nirvana -> Metallica -> Queensryche -> Yanni (Wait a sec, what's he doin here?), I discovered Dream Theater. All I can say is that I still have yet to learn to play a song right. :) Challenging yes, and your mom will like it, too!
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a fart, (Sorry, Eric :)
KorgX3 a.k.a. Pastor of Muppets ibanez@cyberghighway.net "Yay, yay, ormschperdinki du! Yay bork schperduggin dieder, Bork, Bork Bork!" ---Some Swede Muppet
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 21:39:21 EDT From: vancer1@juno.com (Ryan M Vance) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: glass thing Message-ID: <19970528.184228.12303.5.vancer1@juno.com>
> I think that is the idea. You want to find the resonant mode of the glass. > It should be a fairly pure tone. Probably the best way of doing this is to, > as you say run a wet finger around the rim. You could also do some > numerical solutions to a bunch of REALLY nasty partial differential > equations. (maybe you could do it analytically, there is cylindrical > symettry)
it will be a clean tone, but most likely it wont be a note. it will be close to a note, but a little sharp or flat. it all depends on the shape and size of the glass
-ryan vancer1@juno.com
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 22:05:51 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>, Metal Blade <metalblade@arastar.com> Subject: Fates Warning AOL Chat Message-ID: <338D0EAF.6466D66D@goodnet.com>
Ray Alder will be online doing an AOL chat at 7:00PM California time on Tuesday June 3rd (just before he leaves for Europe).
It's under Arts & Entertainment and I think the room will be called Fates Warning Chat.
So everybody get those questions ready....
And can someone capture this session for me, so I can include it on my web page (I will be out of town on the 3rd <rats!>)... Thanks.
-- ~Michael Kizer (Tucson, AZ) -- mkizer@goodnet.com URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Fates Warning (Island In The Stream) / Dream Theater ("Unofficial" Song Book) "Close our eyes a while as the morning shadows play And listen to the rain wash the long night away Face to face we'll awake to see another day And with hope in our hearts, embrace this shade of gray This pleasant shade of gray..." - A Pleasant Shade Of Gray (Fates Warning)
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 19:09:16 -0600 From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: 6-octaves Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970528190916.006914f0@autobahn.mb.ca>
>Oh, and while we're on the subject: NO ONE has a six octave vocal range. >If I heard this guy sing seven f's <randomly selected note> all in >different octaves, then I'll believe it, but it just won't happen.
Ever hear of Mariah Carey?? 6 octaves, bud. And yes, I stand corrected...Jim's got 5 complete octaves and he's working on his 6th.
>I mean, the guy is married to Lita Ford, right? That really doesn't say much for his credibility.
What the hell is that supposed to mean?? Just because they got married 2 weeks after they met. :) Yeah...Jim says to Lita "Let's get married"...and they're on a private jet to Florida.
=========================================================== Madness reigns in the Hall of the Mountain King ===========================================================
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 02:41:44 -0600 From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Singing Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970529024144.00685918@autobahn.mb.ca>
>I wonder....since when does who can hit the highest note make for a >better singer....perhaps all these years that I have been studying power, >tonality, control and pitch have been for naught. LOL > Actually, it doesn't. However, it does say something for the training one has put into their vocals to be able to hit those notes. It requires years of practicing all those aspects and more. Admittedly, Jim Gillette (former opera singer...that explains alot) doesn't have the greatest voice in the world, but he does have the greatest range for male singers. I saw someone post that the wine glass must be thin-walled or something to break it. For the record...Jim, while in Nitro, would have heavy, lead crystal goblets imported from Germany. (If anyone knows the quality of German crystal, you'll know what I'm talking about). It's heavy stuff. I always thought Nitro's tagline was cool, too... Drugs are for dumbfu*ks; don't be a dumbfu*k!
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 01:33:09 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Categories ofDT fans!!!! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970529012541.16365A-100000@general1.asu.edu>
Heh, here's an idea....
let's have DT keep producing the good long, real music for the albums, and seperate, 5 minute songs for the airwaves (i.e, singles for albums but the single won't be on the album, it'll be a new song!)
THAT way, we can listen to DT that's NEVER played on the radio, and yet, turn on the radio and hear, "This is DT, with another ass kicker, Lie 3..."
Heh, is my head up my ass or what? :D
Somebody mentioned a while ago about their town radio station playing full albums late at night...well,
Out here in metal land (Phoenix, AZ), KUPD has this same exact deal on Saturday evenings at like, midnight, where they play the full albums of a selected band for that night, and to be honest, the dj's know what to play. From the times I've tuned in, I've heard Van Halen's Best Of Vol. 1, Metallica's Ride the Lightning and Injustice for All..., and Pantera's Cowboys from Hell. I tell ya, KUPD is one of the best rock stations in the nation.
Here's a li'l thread that has possibilities,
What's the best hard rock/heavy metal station in the world?
~Eckie let's you li'l gaspootiniks ponder while he re-gathers himself
> I wanna put in my 2 cents worth: > > The digital man wrote: > >The prog fan.......Talent!!!!!!!! > > > Right you are sir!!!!!!! What about the MUSICIANS out there who is fed up > and tired of listening to all the *crap*(ie.alterantive,grunge) that is > flooding the air waves? > > How many of you,musicians, got into prog because of the challenge to > learn,explore,and be challenged on a higher musical level? I know I did. > After 12 years of jamming away at the POPular shit that was out there,then to > have all that *crap* take over the air waves left me musically tired and then > DT!!! What a revelation and a breath of fresh air to music they bring.I only > wish I had known about DT sooner. I bought AWAKE a year after it had been > released and soon after I got everything else that DT ever released that I > could get my hands on. > > > ANYBODY ELSE HAVE SIMILAR VIEWS??? > > signed Curious in WACO,TX!!!! FIFTEEN miles from the Tornado that demolished > a small town yesterday. Whew!!!!! Too close for comfort. > > GnRBrks@aol.com >
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