YTSEJAM Digest 2589
Today's Topics:
1) Re: 2112 & DT - Top 40
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
2) Misc. Cool Shit
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
3) Boot CD's?
by hans.petter.olsen@cinet.no
4) Black Metal & No Doubt
by gra@provida.no
5) High pitch, no balls !
by gra@provida.no
6) Mastermind Re: More stuff wanted
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
7) high notes
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
8) HAPPY BIRTHDAY KEVIN MOORE !!!
by LoneWolf <e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at>
9) I was inspired
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
10) and how could i forget
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
11) ** Album list........ **
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2588
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
13) Re: so many albums, so little money...
by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
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Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 22:02:53 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: 2112 & DT - Top 40
Message-ID: <199705260403.VAA06278@odin.ax.com>
> I just want to say why wouldn't DT want to become top 40. Not that they
> money hungry American hyprocrites, but they want to expand peoples
> vision of music and since I think in the US Billboard and MTV are VERY
> closed-minded in the music they select.
>
> Here are a few things they are missing:
>
> Jazz
> Classical
> New Age
> Country
> Progressive
Hrm... I dunno where you live, but over here in good ol' Idaho (The
potato backbone of the country!) country music is the biggest selling
thing (go figure). I can't asy that I am much of a fan since I
thoroughly detest it, but I think I spotted LeAnn Rimes <sp?>
somewhere around #8 or higher on the Billboard charts a week or so
ago. And about MTV not showing Country, why would they need to?
We've got about 30 Country channels that do the same thing as MTV.
Instead of videos they show tractor pulls, reruns of the Dukes of
Hazard, and Stock Car Racing. I guess it's better than Singled Out,
the Real World, Buzzkill, etc. :)
I bet New Age is popular in another part of the country. Yanni's
efforts at least get him put up in the front racks occasionally here.
What would a new age channel show, anyway? Oragami folding,
basketweaving, and that kewl puffy haired painter on PBS no doubt. :)
That's what I need!
Anyway, DT needs to get more attention. They deserve it. Besides,
wouldn't it be a nice change if they actually DID break the mold and
since alternatives dying out... Progressive Rock stepped in and took
over? I can see everyone growing their hair out and exchanging their
baggy pants for pirate clothes. The future looks bright! (I think)
KorgX3 a.k.a. Pastor of Muppets
ibanez@cyberghighway.net
"Yay, yay, ormschperdinki du! Yay bork schperduggin dieder,
Bork, Bork Bork!"
---Some Swede Muppet
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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 01:54:14 -0400
From: Dave <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Misc. Cool Shit
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970526015414.0068c9fc@ee.net>
Wow, I really dig the the discussions you guys been having
about vocal pitch/notes. Picking up some cool info here!
About that Jim Gilette with the high note breaking glass;
is there a video or anything out there with it?? Would love
to see that!
Got my Queensryche tix in the mail yesterday...2nd row center stage!!
WOOHOOO!
> Oh glorious day... "Precious Things" has finally arrived!!! Another stellar
> effort from Mr. Bahr (like he's ever produced anything less...) The last
> track, "Learning To Live", is listed as being taken from the original I&W
> demo sessions. I have the exact same recording on a couple of other boots
> that have it listed on each as being from James's vocal audition, one of
> three songs he did (the other 2 trax being "Take the Time" and acoustic "To
> Live Forever"). Can anyone confirm or deny this for sure???
Now I'm *really* drooling for this thing to get here! It's been a
long long wait, but I should have my copy this week...the suspense
is killin me!!
TTYL,
buster
http://users1.ee.net/buster
http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/
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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 9:56:14 +0100
From: hans.petter.olsen@cinet.no
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Boot CD's?
Message-ID: <199705260757.HAA23184@mailhost.cinet.no>
Hello jammers
I've been supporting DT since the PMU video was shown on MTV's european
"Headbangers Ball" many years ago.
I live in the cold Norway in scandinavia so good conserts are real seldon up
here, but DT has actually played in Oslo and I traveld 500 kilometers to see
them. It's a good thing DT isen't bigger then they are. If they were famous
that would mean large consert arenas, more difficult to buy beer and harder to
see the show. I like the smaller club stages. All the people that I've played
DT to, is now die-hard fans so the legions are growing around the world.
Does any of you good people out there know about where and how I could get my
hands on a boot CD? I have all the albums, even the original WDADU on an Japan
import for $50. It's possible that the answer is on the holy FAQ but I want
suggestions from the people on the list on wich CD's good and wich uses 5
months to deliver.
Xcuse for bad spelling and so on but hey, remember im a big DT fan all the way
from the land of the vikings.
Take care, stay happy
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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:59:29 +0100
From: gra@provida.no
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Black Metal & No Doubt
Message-ID: <412564A3.00342052.00@oslo1.provida.no>
I've been watching this list for several weeks now, and I'm hung up on this
"two categories of DT fans" thread.
So, since there's allready so much crap beeing posted I feel I can
contribute with some more:
I started out back in the late 80's listening to bands like TNT, Saxon,
Cinderella (yac!) blah, blah .....until one day: "This shit ain't working
for me, I need more!", I now got into heavier bands like Death, Metallica,
Kreator blah, blah .....But hey, this music sucks too ! I need more. So
bands like Satyricon, Ulver, Mayhem (well I am norweigan) 'n stuff got my
attention. This music is very schematic and similar, it didn't give me real
satisfaction.
OK now here's the deep spiritual part:
I was narrow minded until someone introduced me to DT !!! Whooooaa, this
shit rulez..... I instantly ran to my local shit pusher, got high, got back
down after a hell of a trip, got som DT CDs, 1000 W amp. and CV speakers,
HEAVEN !!! Hey other bands rule too !! I'm now more broad minded, so now I
listen to all kinds of bands including No Doubt. DT led me to the light.
Thanx.
Have you encountered similar shit ? Have you som friends who doesn't know
the light ?? This might help !!!
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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 11:37:14 +0100
From: gra@provida.no
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: High pitch, no balls !
Message-ID: <412564A3.003A1277.00@oslo1.provida.no>
Hey all you MFs who digs hp singers!
What the hell have HP to do with great singing ?????
I assume ya all know Farinelli, the no balls dude ???
If ya dig HP listen to Mariah Carey ....
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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 09:29:19 +0000
From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mastermind Re: More stuff wanted
Message-ID: <B0000109161@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 01:28 PM 5/25/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Mastermind
Well, I've been talking about them here most of the time, so you will get my
biased thoughts on them again. The first album came out in '87 and sound
like a hard-rock ELP. Even Bill Berends (the guitarist) admits that ELP was
one of his major influences, and on that album they were playing music that
they grew up with. Bill uses a midi guitar here, and it has a "cheesy"
sound to it. You will know what mean if you hear ELP's music where the
mini-moogs have that analog sound. I like the midi patches that he uses.
Some of the songs on this album are cheesy tho, but has a really catchy
melody. However, there are some excellent songs here. One of them is a
instrumental that sounds like DT, and is bombastic and has lots of time
changes. A lot of there music has a classical influence, but not like
Yngwie as far as the guitar playing. The drummer is excellent imo; he
sounds like Carl Palmer (ELP) and plays lots of bombastic
snare...rap-a-tap-tap-rap-a-tap.
There second album _Brainstorm_ just got re-released. I don't have this
album, but from what I hear this album is more balls-to-the-wall
in-your-face playing. I heard some songs that were played in concert like
their rendition of "William Tell Overture." Generally, the comments that I
heard about this album was that it has great guitar, but you will be
exhausted at the end of the album.
The third volume _Tragic Symphony_ is my favorite album, both lyrically and
musically. On this album they develop more of their own sound. There are
some long tracks on this one. It has somewhat of a metal sound to it, but
not quite prog-metal imo. This has some of the best midi guitar on it.
Bill Berends squeals and snarls out lots of electronic sounds. The last
track is like a symphony of electronic sounds. When I listen to that song,
I picture myself being chased by aliens at warp 5.
_Until Eternity_ is regarded as Mastemind's best because they really get off
from that ELP sound, and develop a more unique sound. I have only listened
to this album three or four times casually. It didn't really grab me like
_TS_. Maybe if I listened it all the way through I would like it, but
anyways some people say that there are more Mahavishnu Orchestra influences
on it. It's not a bad album, but probably not the first one you should
start with.
I got into Mastermind by listening to the sound samples on the web page. I
don't know what the URL is on the top of my head, but check them out, and if
you like them, then you should get one of their CD. Ohh..a couple of people
mention that the singer's voice is weak, but I like his voice. It's much
better than the lead singers in Magellan and Rush. :-)
And if you want to read some more comments on Mastermind, I suggest you look
them up in Dejanews.
Do a power search, and make a query filter for these newsgroups
alt.rock-n-roll.progressive, rec.music.progressive. Then just plug any band
you want to know about, and wha-la, you get the archived threads for the
newsgroups.
Hope this helps. Happy hunting!
Walter.
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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 16:42:20 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: high notes
Message-ID: <199705261351.QAA23437@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
> ol' keyboard, and the highest i've heard is a Bb (either that or an
> Ab) by both Tate at the end of 'London', and the guy from Crimson
> Glory in some song on 'Transcendence'. And Andre Matos hits a
How high are James' higher parts, for instance those in Another Day,
Take The Time and Innocence Faded? Been wondering for a while, but
without musical theory and without a perfect pitch, I can hardly
tell.
Do not click here to continue.
Raitz
Be reasonable --
demand the impossible!
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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 15:51:28 +0000
From: LoneWolf <e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY KEVIN MOORE !!!
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970526155128.006868d8@stud1.tuwien.ac.at>
HAPPY BIRTHDAY KEVIN !!!
Btw, I can't wait for the ChromaKey album. :)
L8terz,
Wolf.
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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:06:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I was inspired
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970526095955.10315A-100000@qix.rs.itd.umich.edu>
ahhh, Ugly Kid Joe.........had the ALW disc forever, hadn't listened to it
in about that long, but pulled it out last night, threw it in......
Some fun stuuf in that package, lemme tell ya.....brought back a few
memories, too..........
Also.....met another dream theater fan! woohoo! (sorry folks, it just
don't happen too often around these parts.....) Turns out the kid is
going to Berklee (which is, as we all know, no farkin' guarantee (hey,
after our recent fine language convocation, i see no reason to revisit our
favorite adjective)) starting in the fall.....
he did rip labrie for running around like a long-haired freak in the LiT
video and the show he went to, but as we learned so painfully recently
(and a few thousand times before, but we'd forgotten about all those),
it's a fan's prerogative to state such ideas....
"hope i didn't ruin your day" (ukj)
partha sarathi mukhopadhyay
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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:32:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: and how could i forget
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970526101842.11204A-100000@qix.rs.itd.umich.edu>
talk of bill and ted (play with me was performed by Beethoven in the movie
at the mall, right? It's been a while) got me to search out the B&T's
Bogus Journey soundtrack........the good old days of soundtracks, before
everything became lucious jackson and weezer, eh?
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Megadeth, Faith no more, primus, King's X, Steve Vai, Slaughter, WInger,
KISS, Richie Kotzen (ex-poison, ask Mr. Rivera) and some band called
neverland, not a bad line up of artists........
Oh and on the better side....got my precious things recently
(saturday).......(like a broken record) Good stuff, Mike, another
winner.....keep 'em coming!
Especially like the solar groove, just a cool, well, grooving song....
LTL was interesting.....as a demo version, there's differences from what
was eventually released....and then there were the layered vocals, as
advertised...
freeport jam.....mentioned mr bahr's productions to the Berklee headed kid
i mentioned a few minutes ago.....he asked if there were any "band just
jamming" type stuff on these discs, it's sorta like ask and ye shall
receive......
acos/6:00/lsoad: well, at least ciaw wasn't on this one :)
and james didn't swear :)
and i go now
partha
woops
sorry bout that
it's just an accident
--the perfect crime, faith no more
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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 13:12:04 -0400
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ** Album list........ **
Message-ID: <3389C464.380C@earthlink.net>
Hey there,
I own almost all of the bands you listed and I'll just list which album
I feel is their best work instead of going into a whole review (or else
I'd be here forever).
> What I want is not a real review but which albums should a
> first time listener buy and if I should buy the american or import
> version, also are the other albums even close to whichever one is the
> recommended one.
> Here comes the huge *ss list!
> Amorphis
"Tales From the Thousand Lakes"
> Angra
"Angel's Cry" (everything is good though!)
> At the Gates
"Slaughter of the Soul"
> Blind Guardian
"Tales From the Twilight World" (again, recent stuff is great!)
> Crimson Glory
"Transcendence"
> Dissection
"Storm of the Light's Bane"
ELDRITCH
"Seeds of Rage" (prog-metal at its finest....another must buy.
Wonderful keyboard/guitar duel shredfest..good
stuff!
> Elegy
"Supremacy" (total shredfest w/ these guys. Horrible lyrics but
amazing musicianship. All albums are similar..harmonized
shredding w/ sappy lyrics. I LOVE 'em!
> Gamma Ray
"Land of the Free" (amazing speed/power)..perfect album when driving
90mph!
> Helloween
"Keeper of the Seven Keys Pt. I"
> Helstar
"Nosferatu" <-- The BEST album mankind has ever known. Words cannot
decribe :-)
One of my top ten in my 500+ collection.
> In Flames
"The Jester Race" My new love second to HELSTAR....magical!!
> Leviathian
"Deepest Secrets Beneath"
> Skyclad
"Prince of the Poverty Line"
> Startovarious
"Episode"
> Symphony X
If you don't own these guys by now, make it your first priority (after
you get HELSTAR of course!) Start w/ "Divine Wings of Tragedy"
> Tiamat
"Wildhoney"
> Watchtower
"Control and Resistance" (make sure you are sitting down when you hear
this!)
> Mastermind
"Volume II - Brainstorm"
> Magellan(sp?)
"Hour of Restoration"
I know this is a big post but it's a hell of a lot more interesting and
informative than whats been goin' on lately. I hope this helps some
Jammers get into these bands because they are just too amazing to go
unnoticed!
cheers,
Carlo (aka Fates, aka YtseSatan)
--just got orchestra seats for QUEENSRYCHE at Jones Beach (7/30)!!!
Fookin' A!
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"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"
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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 13:50:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2588
Message-ID: <199705261750.NAA25092@acmez.gatech.edu>
Hah! As I tried to reply to this jam the mail program wouldn't let me
write anything because my permission was denied to write to file
/tmp/snd.21120..........It's everywhere!
Anyway, fuck kidney stones. Welcome back D-Man...
Eric
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 02:51:57 +0900
From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: so many albums, so little money...
Message-ID: <199705261751.CAA17642@ma1.seikyou.or.jp>
Alright! Here we go.
>Amorphis
The first choice should be "Tales from the Thousand Lakes" album. This
album really their epic. German digi ver. includes bonus track "Light My
Fire" (original Doors). The secondrecomendation from me is the latest one
"Elegy",this one contains more trad-folk style,so I'd like to call this one
"Scandinavian Folk Metal".
>Angra
The first one titled "Angels Cry". The opening part on this album really
rules. The song "Carry On" is some kind of Metal Anthem. The Japanese ver.
is the original mix, and Euro ver. is remix album, some classical parts are
re-arranged.
>Blind Guardian
Grab the latest one "Imagination from the Other Side". First 2 efforts are
not as good as their recent releases. Jpn. ver. contains bonus
materials,but you don't need to get it,cuz' these tracks are not good. Very
simple.
>Crandle of Filth
Oh,oh,oh, it's very difficult choice. Their latest 2 offerings are really
nice albums. But I'd like to recommend "Vempire....." album. (mini)
>Dissection
"Storm of the Light's bane"!. Their melodic black metal style is getting
better and better these days. Jpn-bonus track is also available on shaped
e.p. "Where Dead Angels Lie".
>Elegy
I haven't bought their latest album. So I can't tell you about that. But I
do recommend "Lost" (3rd). This was their last effort with original
vocalist Ed. Very melodic one.
>Gamma Ray
Maybe I'm weird guy, I'd like to recommend their 2nd album titled "Sigh No
More". This ain't typical German Metal music. But this one is really nice
one. The songs like "Rich & Famous","(We Won't) Stop the War" etc... are my
songs of 1991.
>Helloween
"Keeper 2" ! Nothing more to say.
>Leviathian
Their second release "Deepest Secrets Beneath". Very PROG-METAL.
>My Dying Bride
I have 2 CDs from them,but I'm just hesitate about them. I don't want to
highly recommend you them. But if you Do want to buy one from them, "Like
Gods of the Sun". A bit repeating music style.
>Sepultura
If you want some thrash metal,then buy "Arise". My private fav from them
is "Roots" (their last release with Max),though. Jpn-ver of "Roots" is 2 CD
pack with CD-ROM and Euro re-release ver is 2 CD pack with bunch of
unreleased (outside Japan).
>Startovarious
For me, I don't like them, the one I have is their "Dreamspace" (3rd).
Something missing..........
>Symphony X
The latest one titled "The Divine Wings of Tragedy". The title track
stretches 25 min. DT with Yngwie on guitar + Savatage flavor.
Later.
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