YTSEJAM Digest 2593
Today's Topics:
1) Spock's Chatauqua
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
2) New DT boots???????
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
3) Seeking helping MV...
by caber1@concentric.net
4) Re: Breaking glass.
by John Cummings <cummings@ee.ualberta.ca>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2591
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
6) glass
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
7) asdf
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
8) Sorry!
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
9) CD question
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
10) some LaBrie-high-note-hitting trivia
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
11) munetaka
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2592
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
13) Glass Hammer
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
14) Re: If You Will
by "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
15) Myung playing crap??????????
by Charlie Patel <patelc@ro.com>
16) high notes revisited
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
17) Re: Glass Hammer
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
18) LaBrie vs Gilette
by ladyheather@juno.com
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Date: 27 May 97 18:19:45 -0700
From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Spock's Chatauqua
Message-ID: <199705280215.TAA17243@mailsun2.us.oracle.com>
Question for people in the know concerning Spock's Beard:
Who is playing the solo guitar piece from "Beware of Darkness" entitled
"Chatauqua?" It sounds like a plectrum is being used, which leads me to
believe it is the singer after seeing them live.
Also, can someone re-post the URL for the SB web page (or send it to me
privately)?
thanks,
-Neil.
"You are the doorway..."
-SB
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 22:46:18 -0300
From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
To: "ytsejam mailing list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New DT boots???????
Message-ID: <19970528035051.AAA31004@alexis1>
To whoever mentioned the new DT bootleg, would you please comment a bit
more on it? Is it really worth getting, etc.?
Alexis
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1986 22:19:21 -0700
From: caber1@concentric.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Seeking helping MV...
Message-ID: <1EDA9559.2F10@concentric.net>
Sorry about this everyone, but, this so many of you guys have written to
me about recommendations, I have lost one :| I don't remember deleting
it but it had a review of 3 bands, and the sig looked like this
[] Mar V
Sorry I forget your name, but I have seen this many times on the 'jam.
And to everyone who has posted to the jam thanks. I'll just now have to
find them cheap! Hmm, maybe this will be a good time to post those CD
dealers list...I'll post it up by the end of the week, this time I mean
it :)
John McCabe
caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 21:09:41 -0600 (MDT)
From: John Cummings <cummings@ee.ualberta.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Breaking glass.
Message-ID: <199705280308.UAA16297@odin.ax.com>
> I guess you didn't finish reading my post. You run a finger around the
> rim of a wine glass. If it produces a note, it can be broken with your
> voice. You must hit that exact note, and the vocal vibrations will cause
> the glass to break. Not all glasses produce a note, and only the wavelength
> produced by a voice will be able to break it. Playing the note on a cranked
> guitar just won't do it.
I think that is the idea. You want to find the resonant mode of the glass.
It should be a fairly pure tone. Probably the best way of doing this is to,
as you say run a wet finger around the rim. You could also do some
numerical solutions to a bunch of REALLY nasty partial differential
equations. (maybe you could do it analytically, there is cylindrical
symettry)
Next, you'd want to to 'excite' the glass at its resonant frequency (via
sound, or whatever). This is what causes it to shatter.
I have NO doubt that I could do that. And I'm tone deaf. (take me a while
though)
It just requires a hellofa lot less setup to bring someone with a good
voice.
Women who desire to be like men, lack ambition.
====-=-==== Jack (John) Cummings == cummings@nyquist.ee.ualebrta.ca ====-=-====
========== for pgp public key -- finger cummings@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca ==========
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:08:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2591
Message-ID: <199705280408.AAA17135@umbc9.umbc.edu>
> >> is an F above high C <yeah, the note where glass shatters.> I have his
> >Ok, just want to say that there is no one SPECIFIC note that shatters
> >glass. If there were, then there would be a hell of a lot less glass in
> >this world.
> If you find the resonance frequency of the glass (by getting the glass to
> 'sing' by rubbing a finger on top of it), play this frequency (it's not
> likely to be a 'clean' note, it might be a few cents off pitch) through
> your stereo (your amps and speakers must be able to handle this frequency
> with minimum distortion), CRACK !!!
>
> -.profile
Yes, this is true. Provided there is adequate resonance in the sound
source, the sound source is loud enough, and the glass is relatively weak
<like wine glasses or your thinner pilsners>, it will break. My roommate
and I <we're both singers> did this once when we were drunk. What i was
trying to say was that you can't just tell any soprano <or countertenor or
guitarist or chainsaw> to sing an f above high c and expect glass to
break. It differs as per the glass in question.
Oh, and while we're on the subject: NO ONE has a six octave vocal range.
If I heard this guy sing seven f's <randomly selected note> all in
different octaves, then I'll believe it, but it just won't happen. I
mean, the guy is married to Lita Ford, right? That really doesn't say
much for his credibility.
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:20:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: glass
Message-ID: <199705280420.AAA17785@umbc9.umbc.edu>
> Gee, Sherlock, ya think???
>
> I guess you didn't finish reading my post. You run a finger around the
> rim of a wine glass. If it produces a note, it can be broken with your
> voice. You must hit that exact note, and the vocal vibrations will cause
> the glass to break. Not all glasses produce a note, and only the wavelength
> produced by a voice will be able to break it. Playing the note on a cranked
> guitar just won't do it.
Yes, I DID finish reading your post. I know about the glass breaking
thing. But, what you said FIRST was something about the f above high c
and then in parentheses after that you said: "yeah, the note that shatters
glass" ^^^
as if it were always that specific note. I'm sorry if I misunderstood,
but can you see how I could have?
Nothing personal meant at all.
Steve Z
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 22:23:36 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: asdf
Message-ID: <199705280423.VAA20500@odin.ax.com>
Well, I happened to be pooping <sp?> by the Queensryche campaign
website, and as we all know, Dream Theater is still tentatively in
selection as an opening band for the illustrious "sell-outs."
Anyway, with Mike's comment being announced that they're
considering, I just realized how we can narrow the selection a
bit.
Qr's holding charity softball games during various spots on their
tour with radio stations (I noticed they're planning on attacking
KBER from Salt Lake! Woo!) Anyway, as anyone who's smart, fun, and
was an Official Amateur Softball Assoc. Scorekeeper [tm] (I bear that
trademark proudly, don't dis it at $5 a game!) it takes 10 players to
make up a team (9 can slide, but it's an auto-out when the missing
player doesn't shows to bat) Anyway, there's 5 members in QR and 5
members in DT. What a team, eh? Any band besides DT with less then
5 members is disqualified cuz nobody wants to pick a roadie for a
team member, they'll just pour the mandatory Gatorade and
Jaggrmeister when appropriate. Geoff could open with the national
anthem and James could beat the shit out of him cuz he's not
American, and things could be way cool.
Later!
KorgX3 a.k.a. Pastor of Muppets
ibanez@cyberghighway.net
"Yay, yay, ormschperdinki du! Yay bork schperduggin dieder,
Bork, Bork Bork!"
---Some Swede Muppet
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 22:28:30 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sorry!
Message-ID: <199705280428.VAA20763@odin.ax.com>
Sorry to post this on the jam, but I need to get ahold of these
people...
Hector Crisantes - I need your mailing address...
Pat (Gabbo) - I need your Email address...
Mike (CaptinB) - I'm sending you tapes Saturday...
Matt Teiper - That CDs on it's way, Saturday...
If I owe anyone else anything i said I'd send them a long time ago,
let me know.
KorgX3 a.k.a. Pastor of Muppets
ibanez@cyberghighway.net
"Yay, yay, ormschperdinki du! Yay bork schperduggin dieder,
Bork, Bork Bork!"
---Some Swede Muppet
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:54:04 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: CD question
Message-ID: <19970528035927.AAC14790@ernst-d>
Anybody heard of a CD called 'Munetaka Higuchi w/ Dream Castle: Free
World'? Someone mentioned it on the King's X list, and described the music
as Dream Theater-ish. Besides Ty Tabor (KingsX guitarist) playing on it,
there' also Steve Vai, Billy Sheehan, Terry Bozzio, Don Dokken, Ronnie
James Dio, TM Stevens, and many others. Anybody know anything about this? I
have absolutely no clue.
--------------------QUOTES WORTH MENTIONING-------------------
"Scientists believe that the universe is made of hydrogen,
because they claim it's the most plentiful ingredient. I claim
that the most plentiful ingredient is stupidity."-Frank Zappa
Ernesto Schnack
ernie@pananet.com
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:24:58 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: some LaBrie-high-note-hitting trivia
Message-ID: <19970528035927.AAA14790@ernst-d>
> high shit on some of the bootlegs I've got. When I try to hit those
> high E's, I swear I feel one of my lungs snag on a rib.
eewwwwwww!
So yestarday, during a major attack of insomnia at 4:00 am, I decided to
try to imitate LaBrie's singing w/ my guitar ( all you guitarists should
try this... it's teaches you to pay more attention to your phrasing) and I
found out the highest note he hits in the studio recordings is actually an
F# at the end of the long 'WOAH!' climb right b4 the solo on LTL. However
the highet note I've heard him sing is the already mentioned G on TKH. And
he hits another F# on Metropilis on LATM (the immortal: "I've found it's
all caddaWIMMMAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!!").
Now I know Jim Gillete can hit much higher... but he don't count, cuz he's
a freak :)
Ok, now let's try to find JP's fastest playing on record... this is fun:)
--------------------QUOTES WORTH MENTIONING-------------------
"Scientists believe that the universe is made of hydrogen,
because they claim it's the most plentiful ingredient. I claim
that the most plentiful ingredient is stupidity."-Frank Zappa
Ernesto Schnack
ernie@pananet.com
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:08:44 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: munetaka
Message-ID: <19970528041245.AAA15180@ernst-d>
I just the answer to my question on the web. It's a CD made by the drummer
from Loudness. It's mostly instrumental, the music is written by him and he
put all those musicians together. I heard a sample of it, but it came out
warped. However what I could make out sounded pretty cool. The only
problem: it's only released in Japan:(. Can and japanese jammers give a
review of this thing?
--------------------QUOTES WORTH MENTIONING-------------------
"Scientists believe that the universe is made of hydrogen,
because they claim it's the most plentiful ingredient. I claim
that the most plentiful ingredient is stupidity."-Frank Zappa
Ernesto Schnack
ernie@pananet.com
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:26:34 -0600
From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2592
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970528002634.00689170@autobahn.mb.ca>
>Regarding the F notes on the high E string:
>You must have meant 13th fret, not 11th fret, because you obviously
>corrected your error when talking about the octave higher (25th fret).
>
>KAI
>
Thanx...It wasn't what I intended, but it happened.
L8r
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Madness reigns in the Hall of the Mountain King
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 01:53:50 -0400
From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Glass Hammer
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970528015350.0069ffc0@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Walter wrote an interesting review of Glass Hammer's "Perelandra" in which
he remarked:
>Opening comments: This is the kind of album that could sell well in
>christian bookstores. I would not catagorize Glass Hammer as a "christian"
>band because they aren't out to proclaim a message
Well, it depends on what sort of message you mean. "Perelandra" is, due to
its being based largely on the C.S. Lewis book, full of religious overtones
-- but there's fantasy and sci fi elements in the tale as well.
Glass Hammer's previous album, "Journey of the Dunadan," is *definitely*
out to proclaim a message -- but more on that in a moment.
Walter also
>Overall: Take Yes, ELP, and late Tangerine Dream and put them in a blender
>and you will get Glass Hammer's unique sound. If you are a fan of
>keyboards, this album will certainly please. DeArqe/Schendel's vocals
>sound pleasing; Young has a strong female voice but lacks presence. Tracks
>2-5, 12 are outstanding, and the rest are good but have different mood. If
>I were to give a rating, it would be 4 1/2 stars out of 5. This isn't
>ground-breaking music, but the songs are well crafted and have replay value,
>so I added the extra half star.
Hmm, well, I'd have to disagree with you that this isn't groundbreaking
music. Steve and Fred are both outstanding keyboardists, and they write
*excellent* compositions. "Perelandra" is one of my favorite albums, bar
none.
As for Michelle Young lacking presence -- Steve and Fred have said that
"Perelandra" 's vocal tracks were designed primarily for the two of them.
Michelle takes a much more up-front role during GH's live shows, and has a
much more prominent role on GH's previous album as well.
>Sound quality: Excellent
Oh yes. This is a professional-quality disc; it may have something to do
with the fact that Steve and Fred run their own audio company, Sound
Resources. They've been doing this for a while. :)
Now for a few more remarks about Glass Hammer, since I'd like nothing more
than to see lots of 'jammers getting interested in them:
1) Their previous album, "Journey of the Dunadan," is outstanding. It's a
definite concept album based (loosely in some places) on J.R.R. Tolkien's
"Lord of the Rings". This one rocks harder than "Perelandra" in places.
Sound effects, a narrator, a great story, and fantastic playing. Michelle
Young really shines as a vocalist in this one, getting to handle lead
vocals on a couple of tracks as well. "Journey" is being reprinted even as
we speak and is now available again.
2) Their live shows are seriously incredible. I saw them in concert last
year at Dragon*Con and was blown away. I kid you not, it was like the first
time I saw Rush in concert. (I told them that and they all ate it up -- it
was like, "Hey, tell Fred that! Fred, listen to this!" "Really? Hey,
Walter, check this out, man! *pointing to Walter* Tell him!") The live band
features guitarist David Carter (who has some serious chops), Young on lead
and backing vocals, Walter Moore on mostly drums but occasionally other
things, Fred doing most of the keyboards, with Steve handling bass and some
keyboards, and everybody singing. Great stuff.
3) Steve and Fred have collaborated with Carter on another project,
"Wyzards", which Steve has described as "early Black Sabbath crossed with
Hemispheres era Rush." They played a few Wyzards tracks at the D*C show and
they flat out rocked. Lots of guitar. "Wyzards" is due for release shortly.
4) Steve and Fred have still another project, TMA-2, which they call "the
techno-ambient Glass Hammer." Think Tangerine Dream meets GH meets Orbital.
(Orbital's a techno group, for the uninitiated). Steve and Fred call
TMA-2's music C.A.F.E. music -- for Concept-Ambient-Fantasy-Electro.
They'll be performing as TMA-2 at this year's Dragon*Con, so if you get a
chance stop by and listen!
Okay, I'm done raving now. Summary: Glass Hammer, and related projects,
rulez. :)
Cheers,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
"Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who
no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired,
gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:50:48 +0000
From: "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: If You Will
Message-ID: <199705280549.AAA02454@Walden.MO.NET>
> NP: Deliverance - "If You Will"
HUH!?!?!?!?! Man, it's been quite a while since I've heard this one.
maybe I'll go dig the CD out and pop it in :).
Got my Ozz Fest ticket today. WOO HOO!!!!!!!!
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 02:30:10 -0500
From: Charlie Patel <patelc@ro.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Myung playing crap??????????
Message-ID: <01BC6B0F.117E42A0@ts4p10.ro.com>
I recently saw John Myung is some crap video on VH-1 by Sarah Mac..something.
Am I mistaken or is this correct?
If it's true, how does it affect DT?
P.S. It might be a Myung look alike...
Please e-mail me with reponses:
patelc@ro.com
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:09:17 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: high notes revisited
Message-ID: <199705281118.OAA25907@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
> Now, on the issue of James' highest note. James' highest note on
> record is an F in Innocence Faded. (I haven't quite finished
Now, if I may ask, which is his _lowest_ note and now many octaves
does he cover? I've been trying to find it out for ages, but still
have gotten no decent reply.
Do not click here to continue.
Raitz
Be reasonable --
demand the impossible!
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 09:21:26 +0000
From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Glass Hammer
Message-ID: <B0000110497@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 10:48 PM 5/27/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Walter wrote an interesting review of Glass Hammer's "Perelandra" in which
>he remarked:
>>Opening comments: This is the kind of album that could sell well in
>>christian bookstores. I would not catagorize Glass Hammer as a "christian"
>>band because they aren't out to proclaim a message
>
>Well, it depends on what sort of message you mean. "Perelandra" is, due to
>its being based largely on the C.S. Lewis book, full of religious overtones
>-- but there's fantasy and sci fi elements in the tale as well.
The "message" I'm referring to is the band's purpose of the music. A lot of
band's sole purpose is to share their faith through their music. As far as
I gather, GH doesn't. Just because the lyrics has lots of religious
overtones, doesn't necessarily mean that it is "christian." In that case, I
could say echolyn is a christian band because they have lots of
spritual/religious references. I think the label "christian" stuck to any
style of music is silly anyways. I think it is used to reach a target audience.
I'm pretty familiar with the xian subculture. Generally, they follow
certain trends. Xian bands are sold in xian bookstore because they know
that xians are going to buy it. This isn't so true anymore because the
music industry has finally noticed the profits in this, and now you see D.C
Talk, VOL being sold in the rock/pop section instead of the gospel or
inspirational section.
Generally, I get turned off by a lot of xian bands because of their trite
and preachy lyrics. On the other hand, GH has lots of religious overtones
and I love the lyrics.
>Glass Hammer's previous album, "Journey of the Dunadan," is *definitely*
>out to proclaim a message -- but more on that in a moment.
I haven't got this yet. It is being rereleased.
>Walter also
>
>>Overall: Take Yes, ELP, and late Tangerine Dream and put them in a blender
>>and you will get Glass Hammer's unique sound. If you are a fan of
>>keyboards, this album will certainly please. DeArqe/Schendel's vocals
>>sound pleasing; Young has a strong female voice but lacks presence. Tracks
>>2-5, 12 are outstanding, and the rest are good but have different mood. If
>>I were to give a rating, it would be 4 1/2 stars out of 5. This isn't
>>ground-breaking music, but the songs are well crafted and have replay value,
>>so I added the extra half star.
>
>Hmm, well, I'd have to disagree with you that this isn't groundbreaking
>music.
Thats fine. ;) I meant by groundbreaking as in for example, Anglagard.
They came in with their debut _Hybris_ and pushed the envelope of prog rock.
Now, Sinkadus and Somnabulist follow somewhat a similar style.
> Steve and Fred are both outstanding keyboardists, and they write
>*excellent* compositions.
I agree with you totally. Check out late 80's to present Tangerine Dream.
Great keyboardists too. That's where the TD comparison was drawn.
"Perelandra" is one of my favorite albums, bar
>none.
AMEN! This album has ruled my CD player for two months consistently.
>As for Michelle Young lacking presence -- Steve and Fred have said that
>"Perelandra" 's vocal tracks were designed primarily for the two of them.
>Michelle takes a much more up-front role during GH's live shows, and has a
>much more prominent role on GH's previous album as well.
Cool, cause the limited edition of GH live album has just been released.
Michelle has such a great voice.
[cool stuff deleted]
Walter.
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 09:18:50 EDT
From: ladyheather@juno.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LaBrie vs Gilette
Message-ID: <19970528.091525.3374.1.ladyheather@juno.com>
I wonder....since when does who can hit the highest note make for a
better singer....perhaps all these years that I have been studying power,
tonality, control and pitch have been for naught. LOL
-LadyDragon
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