YTSEJAM Digest 3267
Today's Topics:
1) DTIFC CD
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
2) 'LIVE AND ALIVE - VOL.2/ CU boot
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
3) Re: "Opinions about FII" by Mr Ptacek
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
4) Re: Eve tab, Favourite Bands Poll
by Derfelt@aol.com
5) Ytse-Get-Together for Irving Plaza
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
6) Re: FII singles
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
7) Now here's a thread.
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
8) Re: Pittsburgh show
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
9) The prog chicks thread
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
10) Female singers and obscure bands
by The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
11) Re: Power of Omens / Female Singers?
by Promark707@DigiScape.com (Toler, Curtis L)
12) Dream Theater covers and a lot of off-topic things...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
13) DT's London gig :(
by "Toni Maki" <tonimaki@dlc.fi>
14) I love a good flame war!
by Murmer <rbaniste@emerald.tufts.edu>
15) Here's a post from me... (I bet yall missed my postings)
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
16) The demo CD's
by Tim Lodge <axe@mail1.nai.net>
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:57:38 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: "A Logic-Proof Shell" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DTIFC CD
Message-ID: <01bcf5ff$5177c2c0$0ec95bd1@emc.caribe.net>
Hey everyone! I've been meaning to send off my $15 to join the fan club
(ever since i got i&w back in 93, actually :) and i will be doing so in a
few days or so - hopefully i can get it sent tomorrow. I'm just wondering
if i'll get it in in time to get the christmas cd... it won'y make a
difference, either way, i'm still gonna subscribe as soon as possible, i
was just wondering if there's no hope by now. what do you guys think? Well,
i gotta go. lata moo!!
--"Have you ever been used or will this be the first time?" - Dream Theater, "Light Fuse And Get Away"
Dan McCormack dmc@dreamt.org http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:09:24 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 'LIVE AND ALIVE - VOL.2/ CU boot Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971120160924.00be9b60@sol.eng.fore.com>
>> The tracks are as follows: Take the Time, Wait for Sleep, Learning to Live, >> Metropolis - Part 2 (mislabeled of course), Afterlife, Forver (TLF), >> Guitar Solo, Only a Matter of Time. > >Here's the deal with this boot: It is a copy of disc 2 of another boot >known as "Consciously Unreal". Consciously Unreal is a show from Milan, >Italy on April 5, 1993, and the remaining space on disc two is an >excerpt from a show (with Charlie) on November 14, 1989 at the >Ritz Club, NYC. The sound quality from both of these shows is a below >average (IMO) audience source but not too bad. So "Live and Alive" is >basically the last three songs from the show in Milan (TTT, WFS, LTL) and >the remaining tracks are from '89 with Charlie singing. Further, this >excerpt of the '89 show is also found on a boot called "Afterlife/Early >Fantasy" with one extra track.
I'm not sure this is correct. Consciously Unreal has 5 songs with Charlie; Metropolis, Afterlife, Ytsejam, TLF, and The Killing Hand. There's no guitar solo (unless you count the beginning of TKH) and there's no OaMoT. This setlist doesn't match the one above, so unless Tim mistyped it, it's not the same set. They could, however, be segments from the same show, in which case we might just want to try to track down the entire show. I would like to hear a boot with Charlie doing Status Seeker, OaMoT, and anything else that he sang live.
KAI
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:00:38 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: "Opinions about FII" by Mr Ptacek Message-ID: <01BCF601.2F8E8200@Chakotay.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Michal Rosinski wrote :
> Hi Ytsejammers!!! > I know Kuba, and know his opinion about FII. Althought I don't agree > this opinion, he obviously have a right to his own opinion.
Kuba shoved his "subjective" opinions down our throats as if they were facts. The word "opinion" kinda implies that other people are allowed to feel differently. Kuba's "opinion" didn't leave much room for that. Basically, if you didn't agree with his "opinion", you must be stupid. That's not how opinions work.
> [insult directed at Chris Ptacek snipped. He can stick up for himself] > > This is strange, that a few weeks ago I red a discussion on YTSE about > rights to opinions, and now I'm reading these f***ing bullshits!!!!
Please feel free to add some more bullshit. You're doin' fine so far !
:-)
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:13:24 -0500 (EST) From: Derfelt@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Eve tab, Favourite Bands Poll Message-ID: <971120161323_1017168695@mrin39>
>People could basically mail me a Spice Girls tab, say it's "Trial of Tears" and I'd >add it without hesitation :-) Heh heh...as if the Spice Girls can play actual instruments...
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:03:12 -0500 From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ytse-Get-Together for Irving Plaza Message-ID: <3474A590.360C536C@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
Is there going to be a pre-show meet-n-greet before the Irving Plaza show this Saturday? Someone was talking about it (Koba?)..........
-Al
"Her mouth is a soft explosion of roses A burst of raw animal definition For a few moments I was mortal." -HR
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:23:02 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: FII singles Message-ID: <199711202123.QAA19675@tx.cs.wm.edu>
> BTW, I was also told (by Mike) that there's a good chance about 6 more > dates will be added before Christmas - here in the states (after their trip > to Europe). While NOTHING is confirmed yet, Mike says they will probably > be shows on the south east coast (Florida, Atlanta, etc.) Keep in mind > NOTHING is confirmed, but we'll probably hear something shortly.
/me crosses his fingers.
Band: I'm thinking of a state that starts with V. Work with me on this, now. There's a city called Norfolk, and just west of that there's this hall called the Hampton Coliseum. Not too big, not too small.
Or, shit, come to Williamsburg and play in my kitchen. I wouldn't mind.
Looking forward to the 6 hours of driving on Sunday, -d
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:28:51 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Now here's a thread. Message-ID: <199711202128.QAA19726@tx.cs.wm.edu>
Guess what's going to be on the DTIFC CD.
> Anyway, with that out of the way, man, this is going to be a sweet > little gift from the fan club... A nice 75 min CD of cool stuff... > my first guess (note: guess) is that it will have all of the tracks > that they have been playing before the shows, and possibly the lounge > versiopn of UAGM... but again, a just my guess...
I would venture to guess that the lounge version isn't going to be there, simply because it's not DT playing. My guesses (standard disclaimer applies - they're just guesses) would include something live from the Fix tours. Almost definitely CIA9ITG, and maybe one or two other things. Then maybe those songs you've been hearing in set breaks, and who knows, maybe another cover.
Just my guesses. -d
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:35:32 -0800 From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Pittsburgh show Message-ID: <199711202135.NAA12071@ichips.intel.com>
]From Eric's concert review, on Myung:
>Someone mentioned >him being "the silent man" and he became embarrassed, and I got the feeling >that this irritates him. FYI, you might want to avoid mentioning it.
I've often wondered this myself. I'm quite an introvert myself, and freely admit it, however it still kind of annoys me when my friends actually say it to my face. =) It makes me even more self-conscious, because I know that if I do anything that doesn't fit this mold, then people will notice even more, so I just stay quiet. Kind of a vicious cycle...
Anyway, I've always thought that I'd be a bit annoyed if everyone called me the silent man, and I've often wondered if Myung would feel the same way...
Jim
P.S. Great concert reviews everyone! Keep 'em up!
-- Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:51:08 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The prog chicks thread Message-ID: <199711202151.QAA19865@tx.cs.wm.edu>
While I'm thinking about it, here are a couple of bands that have female vocals that you may want to check out.
Finneus Gauge: one of the bands to come out of the breakup of echolyn, FG retains a lot of the echolyn sound (due to Chris Buzby's keys). But one of the things that keeps them sounding fresh is Laura Martin's voice. She sings almost completely unlike anyone else I've heard sing. Very beautiful, powerful voice, but she does stuff to melodies that I can't even explain. You *must* pay attention while listening to this stuff. Check out http://www.ghostland.com/finneus.html for more info and how to order "More Once More."
Animal Logic: All I know about this band is that at one time they kicked ass. I have no idea if they even exist anymore. Stanley Clarke on bass (muh), Stewart Copeland (ex-Police) on drums, and Deborah Holland (I don't know either) on vox, with a bunch of guest guitarists and keyboard players and string players and such. THIS IS NOT PROG, AND IT'S NOT HEAVY. But if you find yourself in the mood every now and then for some really sweet melodies and jazzy pop tendencies, coupled with Copelandesque drums and a bass player that leaves you unable to say much but "muh," then this is the band for you. I know they have at least two albums out. I only have "II", but I've been assured that the first one is also very enjoyable. Good luck finding it, though.
Then there are the couple of tracks on "Victor" that are sung by Dalbello. She's got a set of pipes, and a kickass attitude.
Happy hunting! -d
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:55:12 -0600 (CST) From: The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Female singers and obscure bands Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.971120154719.18612B-100000@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu>
On the topic of female singers, I don't know if anyone mentioned the band Crisis. Crisis is death metal with a female singer and it is the funniest thing I have ever heard. I am not a fan of the growling vocals but this is quite unique. She actually changes from screeching to singing to growling in the same line! I don't have the CD, but the 2 songs I have heard I didn't actually mind at all. I may pick it up eventually, but it is not number one on my list, but maybe there is someone here who would want to give it a try.
On the topic of obscure bands, has anyone here heard of Mind Bomb? They are not prog. I have heard them called Alterna-metal. I don't really see where they get the Alternative from except that their use of synthesizers gives it a bit of an industrial feel. It was Columbia House or something so they were just using buzz words to sell it. Anyway, they just have a self titled album and an EP with 4 versions of one of their songs on the LP. And I don't think that they are made anymore. You'd have to check out the used CD stores on this one if interested. If anyone knows anything about what this band or any members are doing now, let me know.
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:17:51 -0600 From: Promark707@DigiScape.com (Toler, Curtis L) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Power of Omens / Female Singers? Message-ID: <01bcf602$243d5ce0$1870d9cd@default>
"Built to Perform" is the Second one. The first Phantom Blue was a Shrapnel Records release in the day that shred Ruled. Curtis "StickS" Toler ProMark707@DigiScape.com http://www.DigiScape.com/perspgs/272/sticks.htm Mr. Slate's Web Site: http://www.DigiScape.com/perspgs/272/default.htm
>Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:05:43 -0500 >From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> >The first one you mentioned was called "Built to Perform", but I'm not sure that was really their first album. Built to Perform was released on Geffen, so it was a little more reknown than the others. > >KAI
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:30:10 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dream Theater covers and a lot of off-topic things... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971120200459.21681A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
Well, I'm really busy right now and quite depressed (I guess I need a girlfriend to share love, happiness, some good moments --- I've been told that the true happiness one finds by himself, but what if I can't even concretize the desire of having someone at my side?) so I haven't posted to the 'jam as I used to.
BTW, to everyone with whom I had trades going, I will be sending your stuff until this Saturday. I'm sorry for the problems. I will also reply when I have some time.
BTW2, D-Man, I'm working on the Caseliner for Unix. It will be part of a program that will maintain a database for trades and as a module, you'll be able to print the contents of a tape on your printer (I had to implement something for a Databases class which I'm attending). I don't remember if I replied to your ealier mails and I had some problems here with hard disk crashes (isn't technology great? It makes you waste even the time you don't have).
BTW3, wouldn't it be nice if Dream Theater did a complete cover of that song by that "sellout" band that I like a lot (Damage, Inc. & Metallica). All the versions that I have aren't sung or only have those horrible growls by Barney Greenway (you know, the Ronnie Scott's Uncovered). I would really love to hear James (LaBrie, not Jaymz :-) ) singing this song with his "Awake"/angry type of voice.
BTW4 :-), I haven't heard ReLoad yet. And I don't know why we can't have reviews of Metallica albums. When I joined this mailing list, "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" had just been released and the 'jam was flooded with reviews and that long acronym that I tried to figure out during at least 2 days (it was very hard to see the full title of the album/song spelled out in its entirety --- people here seem to like acronyms :-) ). Why can't we discuss a band that OOOFB :-) has declared to be one of their major influences? Just because some people here can't stand those Hammet soloes, but would love to be able to cite Friedman as an influence?
You know, for each, their own.
BTW5, I'd really love to have the eletric version of "The Silent Man" on the DTIFC CD. Other variations of their songs such as the industrial version of "Caught in a Web" (I think it is called "Caught it 9 Inch Tool Garden", or something like it) would be cool also. The extended version of Metropolis (again with those outros by those "sellout" bands, U2 and Metallica).
BTW6, I guess I'll enter the AAAAA.
Let the flames begin (man, it is really nice to be able to filter mail...). Seroussi will be the first to flame me (I know, it happened before :-) ).
See you later, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:33:19 +0200 From: "Toni Maki" <tonimaki@dlc.fi> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT's London gig :( Message-ID: <199711202233.AAA02272@newt.dlc.fi>
AW, CRAP!
This is so typical. DT is playing in London Dec. 9th and I'll be visiting the place from 10th to 14th day. <whine, sob>
Well, does anyone know anything about their -98 tour in Europe? (Dates, places, etc.)
Toni
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:45:22 -0500 (EST) From: Murmer <rbaniste@emerald.tufts.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: I love a good flame war! Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.971120172413.216A-100000@emerald.tufts.edu>
> > Can't you use a more polite words to describe Kuba > > and his letter? I think, you are an idiot, if you can't respect opinions > > of other people. > > Thanks for the name calling. You're much more polite than I am. > I'm not an idiot, though. Ask Clark and Lars and the newcomer, > Banister. We're ASSHOLES. I didn't find any reason to post any less > bluntly than I did. I did it in a way that I thought would get
Did I hear my name? Yeah, I'll stuck up for Chris here... I think 'Idiot' is probably the one thing you can't call someone on this mailing list. I Would venture to say that we're all reasonably intelligent, and (although we failed spelling and grammer in high school) we're all capable of having semi-intelligent conversation. Yeah, Chris is an asshole... ;) but then, so am I, so is everyone else on the list, and so are you. It comes with our elitist love for Prog music (which is superior to all other music, in case you missed the discussion) that causes us to get big-headed and angry when someone contradicts us. . . nothing to be done. Just sit back and enjoy the flame wars.. . So much could be avoided if people would just post polite responses, and _clarifications_ instead of attacks... for example, if Chris P had said "Sorry, I think you missed the tone of my last post. I was trying to say. . . blah blah blah", we wouldn't have the next big flame that'll hit in the next jam. .. but then, it wouldn't be the Ytsejam if that happened, eh? And I wouldn't be having so much fun watching the email battles...
figuratively, Rich
"I'm surrounded by Assholes!" -Dark Helmet
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:46:59 +0100 From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Here's a post from me... (I bet yall missed my postings) Message-ID: <3474BDE3.433A8625@algonet.se>
> I can't believe that you would actually try and make a fucking PROFIT off > of another fellow Ytsejam'er. That's pretty fucking shitty man.
You don't say...but human nature (including a certain amount of greed) will mostly apply to ytsejammers too (even though we are divine beings).
----- > How old are you? 15?
please explain how age affects one's actions, thoughts and beliefs to the level where you can judge a person by his/her age.
----- > > next letter, but nevermind. I f*** it, and f*** your mail. I don't > > and isn't fucking the mail a federal offense?
where did you see him say fuck the mail? I bet he meant you should flip through your mail and censored part of the word as it may be offensive to some jammers...
----- > At 05:30 AM 11/20/97 -0800, Paul Dyer wrote: > >as for Megadeth...same thing applies (just not as cahsed as Metallica!). > >Rust in Peace ruled...I haven't even listened to Cryptic Writings... > > > >Priorities, eh? > > That's like saying "I hate the Beatles! I'm not listening to anything else > from Britain ever again!"
No, that's like saying "I hate the Beatles! I ain't gonna bother to listen to any of their albums anymore!"
> Someone's close-mindedness is making them miss out on some STELLAR work by Megadeth.
It has been better but I won't get into that subject.
> Cryptic Writings is far and away my favorite album of the past year.
To each his own.
> I haven't heard a popular metal band play a song as heavy and as > good as "The Disintegrators" since 1992.
for a good reason, too... ;)
----- > Of course, a woman stupid enough to like Hanson is still too smart for me,
wasn't it said discussed here before that you can't fully reflect on one's intelligence basing on one's musical tastes?
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:30:55 -0500 From: Tim Lodge <axe@mail1.nai.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The demo CD's Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971120173036.006c59a4@ct1.nai.net>
>Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:07:11 -0500 (EST) >From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> >To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: For Sale >Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971120000444.36676A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu> > > > > > Just wanted to remind everyone that I still am accepting offers >for the following DT CDs > > 1986 Demo > Instrumental I > Instrumental II
Just to let everyone know, I still have all of these CD's plus "No Sleep Since Brooklyn/Instrumental 3" for $22 shipped. They are all brand new. I also have the Rising Power CD for $12 shipped...
If anyone is interested in acquiring these, please email me at axe@ct1.nai.net
Thanks! --Tim-- axe@ct1.nai.net
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