YTSEJAM Digest 3284
Today's Topics:
1) stuff
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
2) Re: Live sound.
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
3) Rod Morgenstein Interview, Rockbitch, UK Gig
by David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
4) Maturity...
by Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au>
5) Re: LitS as Opening Song
by Coop42@aol.com
6) Re: SILENT MAN GUITAR SOLO
by "James R. McKenzie" <JRMCKENZIE@PDN.NET>
7) Re: goosebump moments...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
8) Re: Extreme breakup
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
9) CHILLS (brrrrr....), festival in S?o Paulo
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
10) Stick on ToT??
by Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
11) Reviews
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
12) More tour dates (This means YOU, Southeastern US!)
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
13) Boston Jam list?
by AEllis1222@aol.com
14) Re:King Diamond
by "KUBA RUTKOWSKI" <JRUTKO@sgh.waw.pl>
15) RE: YTSEJAM digest 3283
by krackley@weidmuller.com
16) christmas CD
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:30:36 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-971124093036Z-36759@ms.Kallback.com>
>Anyone know where Styx is out of?
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Chicago
>Runners up include the guitar solo in TAMP (And all those years/Are gone
>somehow/The crowd applauds/The curtain Falls),
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It's even better on the demo with the added line, "There'll be no encore
after all".
I don't know why they cut it.
>How many times has Nightmare Cinema occoured? I think the first
>time was during the Fix for '97 tour, right?
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AFAIK, so far on this US tour, three times, Chicago, LA, and NY.
Bye,
Trevor
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:38:17 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Live sound.
Message-ID: <199711240938.BAA04281@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Dr. Mosh said:
>
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>Well, I've seen Fates with and without Aresti, and I must say, I miss that
>"wall of guitar" sound that the duo guitar attack had live. I wonder if
>the boyz would consider getting another guitarist again...
>
ARGGHH... too many mailing lists... wrong list... but hey... might as well
see what you guys think anyways :)
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 05:21:29 -0500 From: David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rod Morgenstein Interview, Rockbitch, UK Gig Message-ID: <199711240525_MC2-2968-74D4@compuserve.com>
There is an interview with Rod Morgenstein in the Christmas issue of Rhythm (UK Drum mag), he talks about his work with Jorden Rudess, and what he's doing at Berklee. I've seen Rock bitch and apart from the dubious stage act I enjoyed the night out. There music is like a female Rage against the machine with songs about sex. The bass player was really good, and so was the lead guitarist which was a bloke. >> I'm going to the London gig so Ill see all UK jammers there. > How are you gonna manage that, when you don't know what > we look like? :-)) We'll probably pass like ships in the night. Unless you've got a YTSEJAM shirt. David C.
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:42:30 +1000 From: Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Maturity... Message-ID: <34795A15.55A@winshop.com.au>
Just like to once again throw my 2¢ worth in. This time on the topic of DT's maturity and all the talk of 'wank-fests' etc..
Judging from most of the input to this discussion, most tend to see DT's progression from the AWAKE and I&W era to the their arrival at FII as a sign of ‘maturity’ in their music. Yeah, fair enough. I mean, I can see where these claims are being directed from - their music is more tightly knit and not so self-indulgent or ‘showcase’-ish, but really, wasn’t this what made DT so damn special in the first place ?
IMHO it was. The first time I ever heard DT was when I friend of mine showed me AWAKE, he wacked it straight on Lie to demonstrate the abilities of JP and since my previous music tastes consisted of bands like Live/Stone Temple Pilots and Cypress Hill (ugh, don’t remind me), I found the music rather unappealing and far too obscure to digest all in a single experience, therefore I lost interest quickly. I couldn’t even comprehend tracks like Erotomania and Voices - far too much information to be processed.
However it took one of DT’s simplest pieces of music from one of their simplest songs - CIAW, right at 3:46 when that heavy, eerie, synth lead instrumental section kicks in - to get me hooked. That small, dynamic piece of music just ‘clicked’ with me. Whenever I listened to it, I could envision these strange gothic images of a mass, supernatural brawl going on under a strobe lit arena (don’t ask me why). Then, purely on this newly found interest in AWAKE, I listened to the rest of the album closely and more intently that what I had done previously.
Never before had I been so captivated by a single album. Listening to it’s entire 75:03 duration seemed to just fly-by as I focused my complete and undivided attention to everything it had to offer. My current music tastes seemed so shallow and limited. I was now ‘AWAKE’, and tuned into music from a completely different perspective altogether. The rest, as they say, is history.
Until that day I never realised that such emotions could be conveyed via something, that I once though to be, as simple as music.
I also must confess that it wasn’t just the sonical aspect that made DT so interesting. I don’t know if I speak on behalf on most avid DT fans when I say this, but when I lie down at night and put on AWAKE or I&W, with not another noise in the house to distract me, every little nuance and intricacy of the music seems to weave together to form extraordinary visions in my head. Literal visions of strange, peaceful places and events are conjured by soothing synth work from LSoaD as well as more abstract, curious images inspired by energetic keyboard & guitar solos courtesy of Metropolis. The tension and the tranquillity, the aggression and the calmness, the darkness and the light, all these aspects seem to be part of one larger collaboration that unleashes a truly unique assault on my imagination.
Sadly, FII does not. I mean, it has all the criteria of I&W and AWAKE, but it appears to be in a heavily watered-down, caffeine-free version. Most seem to call it ‘maturity’ that’s responsible for this lacking in the music. Maturity, that is, in a compositional sense mostly. FII seems to have incorporated this ‘mellowed fusion’ and inturn loses most of the blazing, eccentric aspects of I&W :- the aspects which appealed to me so much. Some elements remain consistent between the I&W and AWAKE ‘Vs’ FII era, therefore it still ‘feels’ like DT. But, once again as always IMHO, those dynamic, unpredictable contrasts and ‘wank-fests’ are what made DT so exciting and distinctively compelling.
Don’t get me wrong though, I still appreciate FII for what it is and it does have some quite ‘hallucinogenic’ qualities (parts from LiTS and TOT come to mind) but it leaves me feeling unfulfilled in comparison to the grandeur of I&W and AWAKE. Also, don’t get me wrong either by thinking I’m saying the music has to be filled with an over abundance of technical proficiency, it’s not just the complexities that draw me to I&W and AWAKE, it’s the moods created by the music as a complete product. Right now, APSOG is getting more time in my CD player than FII, mostly because APSOG (yes, yes, IMHO of course) comes closer to capturing the feelings and emotions similar to those evoked by AWAKE.
Any comments on this are welcome, if I’ve said anything that makes me sound like a hypocritical delusionary, let me know….
Until the eleventh hour calls….
Luke.
PS. I know there is also quite a distinction between I&W and AWAKE, but there is also a strong, underlying element of similiarity between the two, a similarity that just happens to take my fancy and which leads me to regard these as DT’s two best albums by far. I’m don’t think I’ll turn any heads by saying that either.
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 05:53:33 -0500 (EST) From: Coop42@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: LitS as Opening Song Message-ID: <971124055333_-487979081@mrin47>
Michael Bradley wrote: >I have to disagree with those who think LitS is a bad opener. For those of >you who haven't seen DT live on this tour yet, the intro to LitS is SO >ballsy and dramatic. It starts the show off at about a 10. By the end of >the show, it's well past 11:)
Hmmm, I guess I'll find out for myself in a few days. Maybe I'm just egoistic: I'm going to see the show in Bonn and when the 'Biskuithalle' is sold out, it's really *packed* (at least at the two shows I've seen there so far). When the main act starts to perform, everybody pushes to the stage and it gets pretty rough for quite some time (at least for me, I'm not a very big guy). It usually gets more comfortable later on but basically I'm just afraid that I won't be able to concentrate on my favourite FII song because I'll be too busy getting shoved around. I think I'd prefer New Millennium as opener (they *did* start the show with that song a few times, right?).
Ok, enough of my whining...
Does anybody have the lyrics for the Odjeda songs? ;-)
Take Care, Andreas Berger
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 06:28:27 -0400 From: "James R. McKenzie" <JRMCKENZIE@PDN.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: SILENT MAN GUITAR SOLO Message-ID: <347956CB.6800@PDN.NET>
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:10:51 +0000 > From: Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: SILENT MAN GUITAR SOLO > Message-ID: <80256559.00323C39.00@ThamesWater.Co.Uk> > > > > Am I the ony person who thinks the guitar solo for this song is about 30 > seconds shorter than it should be. > > I can remember the exact place i was when i first heard this song and i > loved the acousticness of it, i also love acoustic solo's, so i was so > disappointed when this one seemed to finish before it started....... > > anyone agree/disgree or know better........... > > cheers > > >
Actually I've Felt That For Eons. The Solo Just Seemed To Be "Chopped-Off" All Of A Sudden. It's Thet Single Weakness In The Whole Song IMHO. I Wonder If It Was Cjopped And If So Did The Remainder Survive And Further Do They Still Have It Stashed Off In A Tape Storage Box Somewhere? Hmmm...
That's My No Sense Worth.
James R. McKenzie
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:11:19 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: goosebump moments... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971124100502.28912C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Paul Dyer wrote:
> I think: > > The end bit of Take the Time.
The solo (Moore) of Take the Time. :-)
> "Watch the Sparrow falling..." in PMU.
Wow! How could I forget this one! It is indeed one of the best moments that I have ever heard. It is my definition of "heavy".
> Non DT: > > Most of Opeth's two albums.
I agree completely. :-)
Also, the studio version of "Am I Evil?", by "that" band, when the fast drumming starts! Of course, my feelings are not of "chill", but I start headbanging to it instantaneously. :-)
> Cheers > > Paul D.
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 07:53:01 -0500 (EST) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Extreme breakup Message-ID: <v01520d00b09ee0c859c1@[207.90.118.42]>
Regarding the break-up of Extreme:
The official break-up was announced on Oct 3, 1996. Nuno had actually left the band 6 months prior, but they still planned on perhaps gettign back together to do one more record. When Gary was offered the spot in VH, he jumped at the idea. After that, they (Extreme) decided to officially break-up. Nuno's solo CD came out on Feb 11, 1997, and the new VH comes out (tent.) on Feb 24, 1998.
Dan
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:03:53 -0200 From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com> To: Freaks R Us <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: CHILLS (brrrrr....), festival in S?o Paulo Message-ID: <34751639.176B615D@geocities.com>
Hi there ye jammanoids!!!
Seeing that talk about how Opeth's songs and also "To Live Forever" make some people chill... I don't know you guys, but those vocal harmonies in some of Savatage's songs ("The Wake of Magellan" being the best, IMHO) give me creeps!!! They're just great!!!
Now for the concert stuff... There'll be a really COOL concert around here in S=E3o Paulo on December 6th, for those of you brazilians whodon't know yet. The bands playing are: Charlie Brown Jr. (a local and... the only letdown, I really do not like them), Queensr=FFche (YEAH!!!), Megadeth (YEAH!!!) and Whitesnake. It'll be on the Parque Ant=E1rtica Stadium. Tickets are available for sale begining today at: Woodstock Records (Anhangaba=FA metro station), Cultura Inglesa (yeah, those english schools) and at the 89FM Radio store . Really don't know the prices. :)
Yeah, that's all for now. :) --=20 []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:48:36 -0500 From: Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Stick on ToT?? Message-ID: <347993C2.B30F071C@disknet.com>
> The ambitious > three-section closer, "Trial of Tears," is Pink Floyd-like in its > grandiosity. This time, Myung wields a Chapman Stick; the instrument > choice is pure genius, as the Stick's unique tone-ultra-deep, with a > super-detailed, almost acoustic- sounding top-fits the song brilliantly. > The album concludes with a tasteful Myung solo.
Alright, now I'm confused. According to the FAQ and JP, Myung only uses the Chapman Stick on NM and TAMP. Yet, this article sure makes it sound like he uses it in ToT as well. What's the deal? Is the article wrong or just worded badly, or is it the FAQ that are accuracy challenged (very PC, don't you think =) ). Can anybody clear this up for me?? Thanx,
~Matt
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:05:43 +0100 From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de> To: "The Ytsejam Crowd" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Reviews Message-ID: <9711241506.AA07681@server3.software-ag.de>
Hi all
I'm returning briefly from my long period of self-imposed lurking to drop a couple of reviews on you. You can take them seriously or with a pinch of good old sodium chloride. You can even agree or disagree with them - all feedback gratefully received.
Dismal Euphony - Autumn Leaves
Some of the older residents may remember that I am strongly attracted to some of the darker and more gothic music that is currently available, and the Norwegian band Dismal Euphony falls into this category. The new album Autumn Leaves (title reminds me of October Rust for some reason) should firmly establish this band as a household name amongst fans of gothic and dark metal. The album opens with a quite, atmospheric piano instrumental before they shift up a couple of gears and the fast and driving music takes over. All styles of vocals are present - clear female voice, death growls, screams. Plenty of fast double bass breaks are broken up with gentle quiet passages that are sometimes like Ulver on Kveldssanger. Symphonic, bombastic, full of dark elements that are whirled up by the guitars just when they threaten to become too quiet. An album full of wonderful music and lots of surprises, especially the last track, which is a kind of gothic industrial doom music. If I hadn't already submitted my votes for my favourite albums of 97, this one would be on my list. A very clear 9/10.
Rhapsody - Legendary Tales
I'd already heard a bit about this new Italian band here on the jam, and when my CD dealer gave me the promotion copy for free I didn't say no. I have always been apprehensive of albums that have loads of mythical dragons and castles and suchlike on the cover, but not even my worst fears couldn't have prepared me for what I heard. Imagine mixing Blind Guardian, Gamma Ray, Symphony X and Stratovarius - and then throwing away all the good bits: that's Rhapsody. The album opens with some Latin singing a la Carmina Burana or Therion, which is OK. Then the singer puts in a high- pitched scream, and from that point on I knew I wasn't going to like this stuff. Everything is very predictable - time for a solo, yes, here it comes, wank, wank, wank, now a bit of thrash/power stuff, castrato wailing, add the Vivaldi bits lads, nearly forgot the obligatory keyboard/guitar duelling (wank, wank, wank), bring on the vocal harmonies, catch your breath while the orchestral keys are playing before building up to the biggest wankfest since Pamela Anderson got her jugs out in Baywatch. I even forced myself to listen to the whole balls-aching procedure a second time just to see if it was really as bad as I thought - it was. For quite some time I've been looking for something to stand my coffee cup on at work, and this CD will make an excellent saucer. There are obviously some people with technical ability on this album, but the music is about as warm as a witch's tit in winter. I even prefer Charlie Dominici to this singer, and that's saying a lot. 2/10.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) (http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/2321) Currently playing: Therapy? - Troublegum
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:20:57 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: More tour dates (This means YOU, Southeastern US!) Message-ID: <199711241520.KAA08990@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
OK, here they are. Last night's show in DC kicked *much* ass. Big review later on in the week. -d
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Hey all!!! The US tour has been going amazingly well.....Thanks to all that have turned out. We leave for the quick European tour next week....but here's the latest; We've added another weeks worth of US dates to follow Europe before Xmas..... Here they are:
Sat. Dec.13th - The Roxy - Boston, MA Sun. Dec.14th - TLA - Philadelphia, PA Tues. Dec.16th - Masquerade - Atlanta, GA Wed. Dec.17th - The Ritz - Tampa, FL Fri. Dec.19th - Button South - Ft. Lauderdale, FL *** Sat. Dec.20th - House of Blues, Orlando, FL ***
*** = still waiting for confirmation
1998 JAPANESE dates: Fri. Jan.9th - Sun Plaza - Tokyo, Japan Sat. Jan 10th - Bay Hall - Yokohania, Japan Mon. Jan 12th - Koseinenkin Hall - Tokyo, Japan Tues. Jan 13th - Koseinenkin Hall - Nagoya, Japan Wed. Jan 14th - Koseinenkin Hall - Osaka, Japan Fri. Jan 16th - Koseinenkin Hall - Tokyo, Japan
There's the possiblility of additional US dates before &/or after Japan in January. We will then do a FULL European tour Feb. to April '98 and then come back for another full US tour late spring/ early summer.
That's all for now.... Please pass this onto everybody. (web pages, Ytse jam list, AOL board, etc....)
C-ya soon, Mike
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:24:03 -0500 (EST) From: AEllis1222@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Boston Jam list? Message-ID: <971124102403_1694314714@mrin79>
Hey, I didn't know there was a specific list for boston, somebody post the address!
Art
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:10:31 EST From: "KUBA RUTKOWSKI" <JRUTKO@sgh.waw.pl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re:King Diamond Message-ID: <2C50A25120B@elpis.sgh.waw.pl>
> > > > Can anyone recommend me any King Diamond album? > > I heard that Abigail is pretty good, do you agree/disagree? > > > > Thanks, > > Avi
Yes, "Abigail" is very good album, (for me - the best of KD) I believe that first four KD's albums are pretty good (Fatal P. A., Them, Conspiracy). There is lack of music ideas on next albums.
It's tempting me to write that all what is written above is the objective truth, but probably this time Chris P. would kick me off this list.
Kuba R.
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:40:26 -0500 From: krackley@weidmuller.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 3283 Message-ID: <199711241540.KAA00067@mail.weidmuller.com>
This has probably been asked before, but how do I get the Christmas CD. Or join the club for that matter? Please e-mail me. Thanks.
Kev
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:37:08 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: christmas CD Message-ID: <01IQDV9PZZYW00023L@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
>can i say, i'm just impatient :) He DID say it wouldn't be live >material, and it would not be the unreleased songs from FII. So now my >question is..What does that leave? :)
Covers. Maybe they can do some wanna-be bar bands. :)
josh rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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