YTSEJAM Digest 3286
Today's Topics:
1) Re: INXS lead singer found dead
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
2) DT in Philly!
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
3) DT Live on the Internet
by Jeroen Bakker <jbakker@bart.nl>
4) Re: Kuba, Clark, Marurity, and Barbara Walters
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3285
by Jim Suplizio <jim.suplizio@GSC.GTE.com>
6) IME's New Singer...
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
7) Drummers that rule!!!!
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
8) Christmas CD
by Ryan Good <WSUMmusic@macc.wisc.edu>
9) E-mail address change!
by rsterry@idirect.com (Rick Terry)
10) lits opening
by Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3282
by "Jeff Strinko" <gstrinko@sprynet.com>
12) MP, what a guy.
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
13) DT at the Ballroom
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
14) powermad 1997
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
15) Re: Live versions of DT songs...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
16) A quick (?) question
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3282
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
18) Re: Overplaying? What exactly is a "song"?
by "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 12:32:18 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: INXS lead singer found dead
Message-ID: <3479c83264e6002@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
> For those of you who might care (I know I do), Michael Hutchence of INXS
> was found dead today in his hotel room in Australia.
Damn...I was just starting to get back into these guys. Hadn't thought of 'em in
years, and then I saw 'em on "Hard Rock Live" and was impressed. I'll have to
get some of their CDs.
Cause of death: Supposedly suicide, but... Either suicide or accidental death
during an episode of autoeroticism (sound familiar?). Found with a belt around
his neck.
-Brian
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:50:29 -0500
From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
To: YtseGods <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT in Philly!
Message-ID: <3479CC75.4705@enter.net>
It's been a long time waiting. I think it has been 6 years since the
boys have been here. But they are finally going to stop in on Dec 14,
can't f'n wait.
Anybody out there (Syrinx?) going to conduct a preshow gathering?
Well I shall be patiently awaiting this show, since it's kind of like a
little birthday party for me (Dec 16th is my actual birthdate). Maybe
Mike Portnoy will read this and send a birthday present of a couple of
backstage passes :) That would be cool!
Well anyways, cya in Philly!!!
Bruce Duesterhoeft
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:55:52 +0100
From: Jeroen Bakker <jbakker@bart.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Live on the Internet
Message-ID: <3479CDB7.8B5837E@bart.nl>
Yo prog fans,
Important message from a Dutch Dream Theater fan!
Just in case you did not know.....
On the 30th of November there wuill be a live concert of Dream Theater
on the Internet!!!
Check out http://www.liveconcerts.com/
Nice warm up for the gig on 03/12/1997 in Holland which I will be
attending!!
Life 's a Journey, not a destination!!
Jeroen
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:52:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Kuba, Clark, Marurity, and Barbara Walters
Message-ID: <01IQE228R1QQ9AO52H@alma.edu>
> Through further investigation, though, I don't know if I buy into
>the existence of the former. To say that you don't believe in
>overplaying or musical maturity, you'd have to be willing to say that
>every DT piece is equal, and that every Nirvana piece is equal
>to any DT piece. Clearly some of you who have said that you
>don't believe in overplaying have also said that you don't
>like the new DT album. What, then makes one like the older
>music and not the newer?
UNDERplaying!
- :)
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:09:04 -0500
From: Jim Suplizio <jim.suplizio@GSC.GTE.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3285
Message-ID: <3479D0D0.82F@GSC.GTE.com>
> Hi People,
>
> I hope to send my =A310 to the DT Fan Club tomorrow so that I can get =
> hold
> of the Xmas CD. As a member of the fan club, is it at all possible to
> obtain DT Xmas CDs from previous years?
>
> Rob.
>
I've missed all but the last few jams, can someone update me
on what the DT Christmas cd is and what is on it?
Jim
-- "We are all books of blood, as soon as we're open we're red" --Clive Barker------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:54:47 -0500 From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com> To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: IME's New Singer... Message-ID: <01bcf90a$6fae14c0$57dbcdcf@w-ostrich-1>
..and it isn't me. :)
>I'm working the phones trying to find out a little information about the >illustrious Brian Byrne, IME's new singer. Whatever my sources share with >me will be posted on my web page. So far I only know he's from Cornerbrook, >Newfoundland (you know, the place where Marble Mountain is, where IME >performed at Snow Job last year, and where I slept in my car in -20 C >weather in March, just so I could see IME). And he's younger than the rest >of the guys. That's it, and that's all pretty much old news. And you know >the guy has got to have a good set of pipes on him.
there ya go.
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:09:47 -0700 From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Drummers that rule!!!! Message-ID: <v01520d02b09f7324ec1d@[205.134.227.105]>
>>>i saw billy cobham live once--i don't think anything could top that.<< > >This is a pretty acurate statement. The only drummers that I have seen >that can compare are Dave Weckl, Dennis Chambers, and William Kennedy. This > is not a knock to any other drummers, I just haven't seen all my favorites > yet (ie.. Bozzio, etc.)
For jazz drummers, let me add one more....Roy Haynes. He is a tiny drummer who plays with Chick Corea band.
AE
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:34:01 -0600 From: Ryan Good <WSUMmusic@macc.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Christmas CD Message-ID: <199711241932.NAA56296@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>
If none of you remember, when Scott talked to Mike about the Christmas CD it was made fairly sure that the unreleased FII tracks (raise the knife, WAYN, etc...) will NOT be on the cd. Mike mentioned that he had been going through over 30 hours of live DAT material. So, it kind of sounds like we'll be getting 74 minutes of new live DT. But who knows. That's just what we heard from the man himself.
Take care!
Ryan
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:35:00 GMT From: rsterry@idirect.com (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: mmmmetal@idirect.ca Subject: E-mail address change! Message-ID: <347ad4f8.19694951@mail.idirect.com>
Hiya Peeps,
Long time no see, eh? 8-)
I'm not resubbed as yet. I shall return when the workload calms down a little and I actually have time to READ these Ytsejam thingies without skimming and deleting them. =20
However, I wanted to notify those of you who I normally correspond with of my new e-mail address.
Effective immediately, address all mail to:
My old address, rsterry@idirect.com, is still functional, but I will be disabling it in the near future and would prefer not having to check 2 different servers.
Thanks for your assistance!!!!!
We now return you to your regularly scheduled flame wars...... ;-)
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:38:07 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: lits opening Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.95.971124143643.-390857A-100000@edesobe.resnet.emory.edu>
All this talk about whether Lines is a good opener made me think of the 5/93 Providence show when DT opened with Learning to Live. As far as I know it is the only time they have done that and it kicked ass. Kev just goes nuts and so what if your ass is kicked early and often. Take the time.
-Eric
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:40:37 -0500 From: "Jeff Strinko" <gstrinko@sprynet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3282 Message-ID: <01bcf910$d6733a40$0cb7afce@BigBallz>
I am getting pissed off!!! Stop sending me mail. I already said that you should stop a few days ago... But you seem to keep on sending. Please Stop!!!
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:48:09 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MP, what a guy. Message-ID: <85256559.006B4BEC.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
Here goes my story, for those of you that care:
Around the winter of 94, my band was practicing in a studio in Jersey City, New Jersey. We were working on some DT material and originals, and decided to call it a night. As we were walking down the hallway, my friend/bass player says "that was Mike Portnoy". I knew he wasn't kidding, as we recently saw DT play at numerous clubs in our area, within the past few months, and we were very "familiar" with the band. We also knew that Mike's girlfriend's (now wife, I believe) band (Mean Streak) practiced in the same studio. Marc and Steve/Guitarist ran up to Mike and asked him to come hang with us, and asked him to play. We were almost foaming from the mouth, so I think we scared him off, when he said "sorry, I'm kind of busy". I couldn't blame him. We must have looked like sharks going after a piece of bloody meat.
We figured that playing some DT songs might lure him in. It worked. We were in the middle of UAGM when Mike walked into our rehearsal space. I stopped playing, as I was embarrassed. I mean, how would you like to try and pull off the fills to UAGM with MP looking right at you. MP said "don't stop, it sounds cool" (or something close to that). I asked MP to play my set and jam with Steve/Guitarist. Mike not only agreed, but he seemed to be having a pretty good time, as he went through UAGM, and parts of Metropolis, and other IAW songs. Mike said he really liked my drum set, and complimented Steve's playing stating that he couldn't believe that Steve learned all of those Petrucci riffs. I don't know if MP was being sincere (I think he was), but he was nice enough to say those things. I felt like a million bucks as MP was going off behind my drums. I told him that I would be ripping off some of his licks, but he knew I meant it in the best way, and just hung with us, like he was one of the guys. No matter what others may think of MP's playing or DT's music, they should not be allowed to say anything negative about his personality. He was a true gentleman.
Charlie
P.S. I have just heard that DT is coming to my new home of Atlanta, GA on December 16th. Is this a fact, and is anyone else going to be there?
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:55:48 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT at the Ballroom Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971124144838.6284E-100000@bdmserver>
The good: The band rocked-DT that is...
The Capital Ballroom is huge. I can see why they chose that location. More people->more money. I still rather have seen them at Jaxx. Which may occur in January...
The bad: The club is in the worst part of DC. Guys all over trying to get you to pay them to park on the side of public streets, trying to get you to pay them after the show since "no car were broken into tonight", and just plain begging. Even with the multitude of DT fans it was scary.
Didn't realize there was 2 lines. One line was short the other HUGE.
The sound wasn't that great.
I agree with Mike about James screwing up Metropolis. I noticed it.
The Ballroom needs to turn the lights on when a band isn't playing. It is ecetremely hard to find people in the dark. I did see Merlo and some other jammers ahead of us in line. Merlo had to yell his anti Red Wings comments so Kevin Madden could hear it.
Big Wreck-they are good for what they do but Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Big Country and Bush already did it.
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:57:47 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: powermad 1997 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971124145552.6284F-100000@bdmserver>
Powermad is definitely on. There was a guy at the DC DT show handing out fliers which actually had directions on it. The web page has been updated and has directions and the latest list of bands.
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:58:25 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Live versions of DT songs... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971124175216.32717A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Shai Yallin wrote:
> > On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Shai Yallin wrote: > > > > > What are the last 2 tracks on "Uncovered"? This isn't on no FAQ nor DT > > > Unofficial Songbook. > > Uh no. ;-) > > I meant the LAST 2 tracks on the CD. They are labeled: > 19: Indulge in Reverie > 20: A Late Summer's Rain/Schizophrenia > > They may be an addition of mr. Whitaker to the CD but I don't think so. > Can someone please tell me what those tracks are? thanx.
No, no, they aren't his addition. In fact, I have the Uncovered double CD and I've posted the setlist to it at http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/uncovered.html. You can have all the information there.
[Bug in WinAmp] > Anyhow: once WinAmp (I have version 1.55 - the one that Ryan gives with > the CD, but it also happens on 1.00) reserves memory for an MP3, it > doesn't free it, so after listening to about 10 MP3s, my windows goes > insane - font problems, graphics problems etc. or crashes.
Hummm... It's probably problem of the memory manager, *IF* MP3 does a free() call to the system. If not, then the problem is with WinAmp and you should report it to its coders.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:59:43 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu> To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: A quick (?) question Message-ID: <01IQE48HB2CI9AO687@alma.edu>
I happened to have the trusty old Jackson soloist out over in my girlfriend's dorm room last night, when her roomate walked in. Remembering that I play guitar, the roomate asked me how long I had been playing. Then she asked me if it was easy to learn, and "how long did it take you to learn to play?" Am I the only one who thinks that's a really stupid question? This girl is a "real" musician, too, so it surprised me that she would phrase the question that way. At least, she's in the choir, and I think she might be a music major. So, am I just being too anal about the way she phrased the question, or does anyone else know where I'm coming from on this one? -Clark
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:04:40 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3282 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971124180306.32717C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Jeff Strinko wrote:
> I am getting pissed off!!! > Stop sending me mail. I already said that you should stop a few days ago... > But you seem to keep on sending. Please Stop!!!
You know what? I think that these people should be taught what the word "automatic" means.
[]s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: 24 Nov 97 12:17:28 -0800 From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Overplaying? What exactly is a "song"? Message-ID: <199711242017.MAA24462@mailseq4.us.oracle.com>
I wrote: >> I don't think there is any such thing as "overplaying." Chris P responds: > I don't think you've heard enough of the Shrapnel Music catalog Actually, I own a good portion of it :). My point is this - If a person records a song - let's say it's an instrumental shrapnel disc filled with crazy soloing - then there is a reason that person played the way they did on record. The emotional thrill of a fast flurry of notes is just as valid as the emotional thrill of the "perfect" held note (with a beautiful, barely noticeable vibrato). This thrill is experienced by the performer as well as a certain population of listeners (including me). It is my point that this thrill is as valid an emotional response as the response one gets from a slow, contemplative ballad. I think it is rare that someone thinks "I'm going to play really fast on this record to try to impress people with my playing". I think it is much more common that the person enjoys playing fast, enjoys the rush and the sound of it, and is trying to put a representative sample of his personal playing style on record. This mindset is more like "I am going to play what I want to play, express myself with my guitar the way I love to do for hours on end while sitting on the edge of my bed practicing by myself at home." The end result could be a shredfest. People who frequently play fast are often accused of "showing off" or, more politely, overusing one aspect of their ability: speed. You'll notice, however, that no guitarist is ever accused of overusing one aspect of their ability: the ability to play slowly. I could argue (with the same dubious effectiveness) that most musicians out there are constantly "Underplaying", be it the result of a lack of talent or of a conscious desire. There are plenty of good guitarists who write great music who can't play fast - they play slowly all the time and are not usually accused of playing "inappropriate" parts. What is the difference between this person and a person who plays fast all the time? As far as I can tell, it is that ingrained notion of "the song" which all musical parts are supposed to support and uphold, bar none. For some reason, fast playing detracts from "the song." I would argue that the playing merely detracts from the common, overused notion of a "song" and that if we allow for many different, seldom heard styles of music to be considered a "song" then the constant fast playing may add quite a bit to that notion of "song". If we think of a song as a fast moving, exciting, non-repeating piece of music that constantly tugs at the ear, with disparate parts vying for your attention, then this fast playing would perfectly serve "the song" and slow playing would detract from it (hence "underplaying"). It is merely the notion of what a "song" should be that elicits the charge of "overplaying." It is my point that we should think about expanding on what we believe to be a "song". >In this "AnnaMania," if we felt it >was overplaying, we could then go so far as to ask the band what they >were trying to achieve. If they weren't going for a jarring effect, >but were trying to fit the mood of the song, then might we be >justified in saying it's overplaying? I would say no. There is a reason somebody played that blazing riff in the first place - caught up in the music, an intense feeling or sensation came over this person, whatever. The same reason is why it is appropriate in the song. I'm making a circular argument here - the mood of the song, in the end, is dictated by the song itself, and therefore all parts of the song automatically fit the mood by "default". Now it is possible to say that the final mood of the song (which is a subjective thing anyway) does not exactly match the band's intent, but I believe this takes nothing away from the song or its effectiveness. I would guess that many a great song was written this way, with a band achieving something different than what they set out to achieve. Knowing your musical tastes, I'm surprised you're taking the other side of this discussion :). Anyway, I'm enjoying the debate. Looking forward to your comments. cheers, -Neil.
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