YTSEJAM Digest 3293
Today's Topics:
1) Powermad 1997-part 2
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
2) Re: Overplaying
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
3) Ytsejam Top 5 of the year!@ (fwd)
by Syrinx <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
4) Peruvian Skies
by "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
5) Re: Peruvian Skies
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
6) drummers that rule:
by Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
7) Re: Whatta Month!!
by eckie@asu.edu
8) Roy Haynes
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
9) Re: THE REAL STORY BEHIND PERUVIAN SKIES !
by eckie@asu.edu
10) Re: Topic Guide: * (this means skip it if this bores you!)
by someone@prognosis.com
11) Re: ****Triumph****
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
12) nuno's solo stuff
by "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
13) Re: BP does BS
by Matthew Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
14) Metallica (NDTC)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
15) NEW BOOTLEG!!! (to me anyway)
by acos0206@uriacc.uri.edu
16) Today ruled, this is why!
by Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
17) Savatage
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
18) Atlanta Ytse-gathering page is now up
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
19) chance show questions
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:04:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Powermad 1997-part 2
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971125150406.1839G-100000@bdmserver>
Oh yeah, in case you dont know, the show is in Baltimore, Maryland.
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| Washington Redskins 6-5-1 |
| Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: |
| "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide |
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:06:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Overplaying
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.971125145907.10595A-100000@thunder>
Perhaps this is proof that DT puts a lot of feeling into their
music and do not just have a 70 minute wank fest on their albums:
I do not play an instrument, and I have very limited musical knowledge.
What attracted me to DT? It was the images that the music conjured up in
my head as I listened.. it was the feelings and emotioned it inspired, it
was the surreal atmosphere. Perhaps they use extremely complex riffs or
whatever, but it is apparent to me that they are using them in the correct
fashion to convey their feelings.. they aren't losing anything by
"overplaying".
time to return to my hole:
BTW: did Toads Place videotape the New Haven Show?
-ponte
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:11:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
To: A Ytse Besides Itself <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ytsejam Top 5 of the year!@ (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.971125151026.16479A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Hello, all!
It's that time of the year again. It's time to pick your top 5
releases of the year. Last year we had over 300 people from the ytsejam
who picked their favorites and i hope to have that many responces this time.
DIRECTIONS:
email me (either respond to this or email me at the address
below) with your top 5 CD's of 1997. THIS MEANS: the cd MUST have been
released in 1997. Any Mike Bahr CD released in 1997 counts. Hell, ANY
CD counts - but it has to have been released this year.
Send them to me with the subject: ytsejam top 5 - and we'll be
on our way.
HOW THE SCORES WORK.
You send your top 5 IN ORDER of how you want them. For every 1st
place vote, that CD gets 5 points. For 2nd place, 4 point, and etc. For
example, this is what I picked for last year's top 5:
1. I Mother Earth - Scenary And Fish
(this got 5 points)
2. Tool - Aenima
(this got 4 points)
3. Rush - Test For Echo
(this got 3 points)
4. Lemur Voice - Insights
(this got 2 points)
5. Swamp Terrorists - Killer
(this got 1 point)
seem easy? it is! so, send your choices away.
THIS WILL BE VALID UNTIL DECEMBER 31, 1997.
* * * * * * *
e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
erotomania!: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/
offical lemur voice homepage:
http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
(c) 1997 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:18:03 -0500 (EST)
From: "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Peruvian Skies
Message-ID: <199711252018.PAA15834@aixguru.mkm.can.ibm.com>
Hey...thanks for the info on Peruvian Skies...cool.
I guess JP did not know Vanessa was full of shit when he wrote
and DT subsequently recorded the song!
I guess that gives "Liar by day" a whole new meaning for this
song... 8^)
Greg,
Toronto.
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:42:49 -0500
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Peruvian Skies
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971125154249.00c1d3d0@sol.eng.fore.com>
At 12:40 PM 11/25/97 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Hey...thanks for the info on Peruvian Skies...cool.
>
>I guess JP did not know Vanessa was full of shit when he wrote
>and DT subsequently recorded the song!
>
>I guess that gives "Liar by day" a whole new meaning for this
>song... 8^)
Why do you assume that? It's certainly fathomable that he knew the entire
story, and the lyrics would still make sense. The "Liar by day" line
actually seems to prove that he knew the whole story. "Poor Venessa" might
be a sarcastic remark, meaning she has it so bad because her dad won't let
her stay out all night - poor baby. Just my thoughts. To whoever posted
the story, thanks.
KAI
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:57:10 -0500
From: Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: drummers that rule:
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971125155710.007c55e0@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
For jazz drummers, let me add one more....Roy Haynes. He is a tiny drummer
>who plays with Chick Corea band.
Sorry, but you forgot one of the best Jazz drummers of all times: Steve Gadd.
He's not only a jazz drummer, but when he plays jazz he kicks azz! :)
If you want to listen to him check this Chick Corea's album: "Three Quartets".
That's it.
I have to disagree, though all these guys are great, the best jazz drummer
that ever lived, was Buddy Rich. That is IMO and the opinion of a large
number of professional drummers, including the infamous Neil Peart, who's
influence greatly affects Mike Portnoy.
Buddy Rich has totally affected the way I play today. I bought his book
when I was 12 and learned to play drums to it (he died that year) all of
the rudiments that he exclusively used were outlined in this book. If you
are a drummer I recommend this book. It's called "Buddy Rich's Modern
Interpretation of Snare Drum Rudiments" I still use this book today.
Just my .02 Later, J
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:07:06 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Whatta Month!!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971125140612.20170B-100000@general1.asu.edu>
> filler, and Turkey is supposed to make you sleep, so damn it, sleep. Don't
> watch football, watch Dream Theater.
Nononono, watch football AND Dream Theater!
>:D
~Eckie just thought he'd clear that one up a little
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:09:23 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Roy Haynes
Message-ID: <v01520d02b0a0e0396520@[205.134.227.31]>
David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com wrote;
>When did Roy Haynes play with Chick Corea, I know Gary Novak took over
>from Dave Weckl, but I've not heard of this other guy.
The show I saw is Remembering Bud Powell at the Masonic Auditorium in San
Francisco, March 21, 1997. It's like Chick Corea played tribute to Bud
Powell.
He was awesome!
Take care,
AE
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:13:05 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: THE REAL STORY BEHIND PERUVIAN SKIES !
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971125140842.20170C-100000@general1.asu.edu>
> impressed to hear this story and I'm sure John Petrucci wasn't aware of all
> this situation when he wrote the song. How's that for Poor Vanessa !
"Under Peruvian Skies, Vanessa's laywers await, the father comes back
with a gun, Vanessa and co. are done! Die Vanessa! Die Die Vanessa!"
~Eckie reminds you that this was a PARODY, a COMIC RENDITION, I'm not
advocating ppl should beat the crap outta children, so if you DARE flame
me for this one...prepare yourself for the consequences }:^{>
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:18:28 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Topic Guide: * (this means skip it if this bores you!)
Message-ID: <199711252114.NAA29193@odin.ax.com>
> I assume you mean in a straight alternate-picked exercise. Out of curosity,
> are you playing 3 notes per string or 4? Scalar (diatonic) or strictly
> pattern-based? Technique is such a varied, elusive thing. :)
3 or 4 notes per string at that speed. I max out around 180 for 2
notes per string, and about 160 for 1 note per string. I spend way
too much time on that stuff! Of course, that doesn't mean it sounds
good at all, and that's maxed out for now... I can't just pick up a
guitar and go that fast, unless I've practiced earlier in the day.
Just trying to push my limits and see how sick I can get.
Why am I talking about this here? There's no RELOAD content!
> Chris wrote:
> <<<As for this discussion, though, I think that if we're the only
> two really debating in it, we should take it private. :) If anyone
> jumps in, we'll keep it here.<<<
>
> Heh heh... why don't you continue your debate on the Parallels
> list..? There haven't been any of those famous long Ptacek posts on
> it so far, and having posted your entrance-menace you just went back
> to lurker mode... ;-D
>
> Barbara
Because you're a sick, sick woman, and you'd enjoy that way too
much. :)
> Why do you assume that? It's certainly fathomable that he knew the
> entire story, and the lyrics would still make sense. The "Liar by
> day" line actually seems to prove that he knew the whole story.
> "Poor Venessa" might be a sarcastic remark, meaning she has it so
> bad because her dad won't let her stay out all night - poor baby.
> Just my thoughts. To whoever posted the story, thanks.
It's also possible that the stories have nothing to do with each
other, or were fictional, and any similarity is purely coincedence,
and Elektra/Warner takes no legal responsibility.... :)
Dunno. Merlo? Another question you get to ask Portnoy! Aren't you
happy! And ask him what he thinks about ReLOAD! I wonder what Dr.
Mosh thinks of ReLOAD. He loves that kind of stirring
individualistic music!
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:37:34
From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: ****Triumph****
Message-ID: <3.0.3.16.19971125163734.3c472936@access.mountain.net>
At 10:18 AM 11/25/97 -0800, someone wrote:
>WOW I love Triumph. This is the other Three man band. I would call them
>Progressive. Unfortunately they called it quits in the late 80's.
>
>I would suggest:
>
>Thunder Seven
>Allied Forces
>Surveillance(spelled correctly ?) (I believe this is their last studio
project)
>Progression of Power
>Sport of Kings (This one is main stream and did receive alot of radio play)
In addition to those, I'd suggest _Just a Game_, which is a fantastic
album. It shows a great deal of variety on the part of guitarist Rik
Emmett. Their live album, _Stages_, is also pretty good and has a good
sampling of stuff from various albums.
Jonathan Byrne, 2L; WV University College of Law
Album Reviews, Race Results, Commentary, and More at:
http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm
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"What the hell do we want?
Is it only to go, where nobody has gone?
A different way then than the herd,
Sing a different song."
-Steve Hogarth & John Helmer, "Out of This World", Marillion
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:23:09 -0500 (EST)
From: "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: nuno's solo stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.971125172008.14376E-100000@moose>
ummm, ernie mentioned it a coupla days ago, that's my excuse for bringing
it up.......for a guy that apparently talented (I LOVE extreme, and if the
next VH is as heavily influenced by Gary Cherone as I'm hearing, I'm
getting that one for sure.....this from a guy who's never bought any VH
besides Diver Down on vinyl for a buck), his solo album is sorta
disappointing.....wasn't sure if I expected extreme-ish stuff, but I guess
i wanted more than what he gave out.....still, a pretty interesting
listen......
partha
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:18:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Matthew Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: BP does BS
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971125141414.4956B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Matthew Robbins-McDaniel wrote:
>
>> > Subject: Re: Stick on ToT??
>> > Sounds to me like whoever reviewed the album didn't listen to it.
>>
>> What!?! Are you saying Karl Coryat didn't listen to FII? Haha, foolish
>> non Bass Player reader. Karl Coryat only reviews jazz records. Anything
>> less he just gives to the "other" reviewers. Except the spotlight
>> section(which FII appeared in) which he usually makes things up to talk
>> about how this album/bass player is the best thing to happen to the bass
>> world since ears.
>
>Wow, I guess he's pretty good at making things up to talk about. Like JM playing
>the Stick on ToT (when he doesn't) and FII ending with a Myung solo (when it
>doesn't)! So, I ask you, who's the foolish one again?
>
ToT does end with a bas solo -- from 12:05 all the way to 12:30 or so is a
Myung solo. For a bass player, that may as well be the end of the song,
because it kicks much ass and the rest is coda-style fadeout.
I won't argue the stick point yet -- I can't hear it eaither. ^_^
>
>
>
--Matt
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:31:35 -0500
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Metallica (NDTC)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971125223135.006a9628@pop.pipeline.com>
Jeremy K. chucked this up:
>This album is a
>return to the feel of The Black Album. I really like almost every track
>off of this album..for once since The Black Album, I will recommend this to
>someone to purchase.
You say this like this is a good thing. Most Metallica fans from the
first four albums DON'T like TBA. A return to the feel of that album
is still a disappointment. Sorry.
Green Bay Packers - The Quest to Repeat - Detroit Red Wings
9-3 15-6-4
at Vikings vs Ottawa
Kevin
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:54:31 -0800 (PST)
From: acos0206@uriacc.uri.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NEW BOOTLEG!!! (to me anyway)
Message-ID: <199711252354.PAA00856@odin.ax.com>
Well, I haven't heard anyone mention it so I'll go ahead.....pardon me
if I'm wrong....
I found a new 2CD bootleg today titled "Small Club Adventure" taped in
April of 1997 in Amsterdam. this marvelous piece of work contains (pretty
much) the Fix for '96 setlist because it has the demos of BMS, PS, TAMP, and
stuff...but it also has Met with Discotheque and One mixed in!!
The sound quality is absolutely fabulous....dare I say close to the DOE??
the crowd is relatively quiet except for right in the beginning.....Labrie
actually asks what the crowd took because they're so quiet....
Anyway to make a long story longer, this boot kicks ass. It's been so
long since the Fix shows that BMS with the HK intro sounded weird. Anyways....
any other questions feel free to email me.....
Drew.
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:55:32 -0500
From: Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Today ruled, this is why!
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971125185532.007ac6d0@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
First, I got my second good listen to reLOAD, and the more i listen to it,
the more I appreciate it. I am really impressed and actually, quite
surprised.
Second, I'm flipping through the channels and BOOM on eMpTV is "The Top 10
Hair Bands"!!!!! I loved this, I heard some Poison, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi,
Skid Row, Warrant and more!! I was so excited to hear these songs. It was
a return to my Jr. High school years again! I miss the music from that
era, I don't miss the image.. but nonetheless, the music fucking rocked! I
wait in anxious anticipation of the return of the POWER BALLAD!! I thought
I was going to get one with TAMP, but that got changed quick :( Oh well,
scrutinize me all you want. I love the 80's. Thanks to my buddy Tony for
helping me see the light again : )
(and remember that the 80's spawned great bands like DT and Fates and etc
and etc :)
Later!! J
"I have no problem with that. I'm proud of who I've listened to and who
has influenced me, and I'm the first person to give credit to those
drummers. During interviews I usually spend more time talking about other
drummers than I do myself. I am a fan, first and foremost. I love
listening to drummers" LIKEWISE MAN.. JPK
Mike Portnoy,
Modern Drummer
Interview Dec 96
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:33:22 -0600
From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Savatage
Message-ID: <v03102800b0a11d8ffc3d@[128.252.105.105]>
Sorry this is so disjointed, but I'm leaving college in 4 minutes to go
home. To the guy who was asking about savatage's dead winter dead. It is
by far the worst album that has zak stephens on itm (the singer) try edge
of thorns or handful of rain. Both of these have different guitar players
than DWD, the keys are still really good as in DWD but the guitar is MUCH
better. I have hopr for the wake of magellen because I have a feeling most
ofg the new guitar stuff is writtenm by the new guitar player old guitar
player for asia) He was also on the last album did the other guy did all of
the writing and rythym because the new guy was called in only to do solos
at the last minutte. I've heard the new guy on Trans-Siberian Orchestra
and he ROCKS so I hope the WOM will be good
\\
thanks
happy turkey day
FII rocks
metallica doesn't
megadeth is great
madonna is not
bye,
SEth
Seth Hatlelid
srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
Check out my web page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~srhatlel/index.html
"Can't we just all get along?" -Satan, Milton's Paradise Lost
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:29:17 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Atlanta Ytse-gathering page is now up
Message-ID: <199711260029.AA28835@crl.crl.com>
..and contains initial, tentative plans, directions to the Masquerade
and a list of those who are coming (so far).
http://www.crl.com/~vanyel/ytses.html
Also included are some thoughts on gathering for the Fates show two
days earlier.
Gee, if Fates linger in town for a day after their show and DT leave
directly for Atlanta from Philly, both bands could actually be within
the metro Atlanta area on the same day.
The resulting earthquakes, cataclysms and Chaos-storms might crack the
Earth's crust, and with any luck, topple 96rock's tower since they
don't think progressive metal is cool. :)
Even though 96rock won't mention either show on the air or much less
PLAY anything by either band, I plan to announce both shows during
WREKage, 10pm-2am WREK-FM 91.1. And we'll play something by both bands,
too. There is a RealAudio feed for the station at www.gatech.edu/wrek
(I think). I'll probably be arriving a bit late as I'll be at the David
Arkenstone show (shaddup :)) that evening. It'll be quite a contrast
to our usual WREKage radio fare (Cryptopsy, Dismember, At The Gates,
Dissection, Slayer, etc. :))
-- +-- ...once the cloud that's raining ---+- Paul W. Cashman ---+ | over your head / disappears | vanyel@crl.com | | the noise that you hear | www.crl.com/~vanyel | +--is the crashing down of Hollow Years.... --+---- ICQ #4151223 -----+------------------------------
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:54:28 -0500 From: Dave <buster@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: chance show questions Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971125205428.00690244@ee.net>
Hey folx, this is to any of you who attended the Chance show in Poughkeepsie:
I'm interested in hearing your review, opinions, comments or whatever about the show, and welcome them sent to my personal email so as not to clutter the 'jam. I'd like to know about DT of course, but also the crowd, the hall or club itself, and anything unique that happened. Email it to buster@ee.net if you feel like it.
Thanks in advance!!! buster http://users1.ee.net/buster http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/
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