YTSEJAM Digest 3291
Today's Topics:
1) reLOAD (NDTC)
by Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
2) Sound Problems...
by Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
3) re: overplaying
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
4) Whatta Month!!
by "Ryan Good, WSUM Assistant Music Director" <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
5) overplaying/danger danger/reload
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
6) Re: BP does BS
by Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
7) Re: Big Wreck
by "Kelly A. McAllister" <s0277007@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
8) Re: reLOAD (NDTC)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
9) Birchhill
by "Kelly A. McAllister" <s0277007@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
10) top 5 CDs for 1997
by Jonathan Case <jcase@BERGERON.METR.ou.edu>
11) Lunar Crush
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
12) Magoo
by "Kelly A. McAllister" <s0277007@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
13) Gorky Park [NDTC]
by Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
14) THE REAL STORY BEHIND PERUVIAN SKIES !
by al587725@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (Marcelo Martinelli)
15) still jumping in...
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
16) Drummers that rule!!!!
by Pedro Prado <beheader@hehe.com>
17) RE: Loren
by Eric S P Barker <EBarker@NBCI.Net>
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:30:37 -0500
From: Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: reLOAD (NDTC)
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971125103037.007afdb0@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
Well, I bought reLOAD last night and I have to say YES! this album ROCKS! I
absolutely hated everything about LOAD, but reLOAD rocks. This album is a
return to the feel of The Black Album. I really like almost every track
off of this album..for once since The Black Album, I will recommend this to
someone to purchase. This isn't a disappoint, though less heavy, it is
more talented than most of Metallica's releases.
"Besides, it's so cool to get on that small kit and just wail-like Dave
Grohl--you know what I mean?"
Mike Portnoy, in Modern Drummer Magazine, December 97 Issue.
Later, J
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:41:39 -0500
From: Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sound Problems...
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971125104139.007c6da0@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
>Derek lost power during Scarred, and wasn't happy about it, but it came back
>on in time for him to play what he had to play.
Brian K wrote:
In the Colorado Springs show, JP lost power twice and James lost sound a
time or two. He gave the sound guy alot of crap... I wonder why the
frequent problems with sound/power. I've been to quite a few concerts and
never seen so many outages.
Wow! I'm shocked. When I was at Toad's Place for the first show of the
tour.. I was very impressed with everything.. There were no problems with
sound at all. In fact, the mix was near perfect IMO. In my spoiler after
the show, I mentioned that I think that if you were a 'legger, this was the
show to attend and record. But, James was quick to mention that DT has a
brand new roadcrew and that if there were any problems that it was because
of having a new road crew. It was kind of funny in this instance because
the road crew didn't have any problems, it was DT that did.. they screwed
up New Millenium :)
"He (Kevin Shirley) really didn't want to change us as players. He
realized that we have styles, we have identities, we have reputations. I
mean, he (Kevin Shirley) joked about my winning the Modern Drummer Reader's
Poll all the time. He'd say, "We have to make sure you get one of those
fills in every song. We've got to make sure you can still win those polls!"
Mike Portnoy, Interview
Modern Drummer, Dec 97 Issue
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:00:58 -0500
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: overplaying
Message-ID: <199711251556.PAA14451@kira.ici.net>
>the issue seems to be whether that reason was a good one.
>lots of bad songs can come together because the reasoning behind writing
>it or its parts are bad, i would think.
But then you have to get into the issue of who's reasoning takes precedence.
If the musician looks back at a part and goes "Ugh, that doesn't fit at
all", it would be difficult for us to argue with him. By the same token, if
he "overplays" a part, and to his ear, it presents exactly the image that he
was trying to acheive, who else is really in a position to tell him that it
sucks?
> while they may not have to
>consciously think, "boy will this impress them!," they would be equally
>guilty of losing touch with the song merely by losing the emotional
>impact in technical prowess.
That is true, but it is next to impossible to prove, for the same reason I
stated above. Since you can't get inside the writer's head, it's impossible
to know the exact thought process that went into the song.
>although the phrasing rarely matches what you describe, i do think that
>often, when we hear bands like bush and oasis and are repulsed, this is
>the thought in mind.
That's a very good point. How many times have you seen (on this list or
elsewhere) somebody that was pissed off because no-talent bands are going
platinum while DT and others languish in relative obscurity? What is
happening there is that we are complaining about those other bands
"underplaying" - so we are just as guilty sometimes as the people who accuse
DT of OVERplaying.
>to me, this is almost like the "nature/nurture" issue in psychology. do
>we expect a song to be a "song" simply because it's what we're used to,
>or did the notion of "song" arise and persist because it is what
>naturally appeals to us? this is another point that can't be proven
>decisively, but if it is the former, then we are right to push the
>boundaries of "song," while if it is the latter, then our efforts are
>unnatural and in vain.
Excellent. I just posted this again in case anyone missed it. I have no
further response. :)
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_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________
E-mail: (psull)-(at)-(ici)-(dot)-(net)
IRC: DDictator
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
NP: Dream Theater - "Falling Into Infinity"
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:26:38 -0600
From: "Ryan Good, WSUM Assistant Music Director" <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Whatta Month!!
Message-ID: <199711251621.KAA22312@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>
Hello all Turkeygobblers!
What up? Right now I'm listening to Cairo's "Ruins At Avalon's
Gate" and am getting ready to head to Minnesota for Turkey Day. Just
thought I'd say hello to DHP, Matty, Scotty, and The Boys before I left.
Everyone should stay safe this holiday (at least till we get the Christmas
CD, right?). Eat slow, and eat lots. Remember, mashed potatoes are just
filler, and Turkey is supposed to make you sleep, so damn it, sleep. Don't
watch football, watch Dream Theater.
L8R
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"I've got chicken legs"
- Mike Portnoy
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WSUM - Madison's idea of College Radio
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:29:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: overplaying/danger danger/reload
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971125112634.1839B-100000@bdmserver>
I suppose DT overplays, but I like it and so do a lot of other people
obviously else the band wouldn't be around. I guess if you call a long
song overplaying then DT does. I dont have a problem with it.
somebody wrote:
>I have a problem. Does anyone know if the hard rock (?) band Danger
>Danger still exists?
>
>The legendary UFO is playing in Helsinki soon and they have this band
>"Danger, Danger" supporting them.
Yep it is Danger, Danger but without the original singer Ted Poley. I have
no clue what the new singer sounds like.
]From what I have heard of Reload, I think it is better than Load.
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:18:12 -0500
From: Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: BP does BS
Message-ID: <347AFA44.B6E82689@disknet.com>
> > Subject: Re: Stick on ToT??
> > Sounds to me like whoever reviewed the album didn't listen to it.
>
> What!?! Are you saying Karl Coryat didn't listen to FII? Haha, foolish
> non Bass Player reader. Karl Coryat only reviews jazz records. Anything
> less he just gives to the "other" reviewers. Except the spotlight
> section(which FII appeared in) which he usually makes things up to talk
> about how this album/bass player is the best thing to happen to the bass
> world since ears.
Wow, I guess he's pretty good at making things up to talk about. Like JM playing
the Stick on ToT (when he doesn't) and FII ending with a Myung solo (when it
doesn't)! So, I ask you, who's the foolish one again?
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 11:52:21 EST
From: "Kelly A. McAllister" <s0277007@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Big Wreck
Message-ID: <9711251652.AA03942@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Hey Guys,
At the Tradewinds show, the crowd were really nice to Big Wreck. They were a
lot better than they were at Toad's Place. I gained a slight respect for the
lead singer. After the first song, he said to the audience, "We are Big
Wreck and let me get this straight...we are not 35, we are 25, and we do not
have any fucking teen angst. We play music because we enjoy playing and we
like other people to enjoy our music" (or something close to it) The crwd
told him to play Rusty Cage and he just laughed it off. We even started a
cheer for their roadie Boof.
They were pretty cool to the crowd, they weren't dicks.
that's all,
kelly
BTW--I received the best gift ever at that show--not only did JP throw me his
pick, but MP gave me his chewed up, splintered drumstick (i was lucky to be
like the only girl in the front row). I will treasure these forever
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:41:28 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: reLOAD (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971125143407.4646C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Jeremy Kube wrote:
> Well, I bought reLOAD last night and I have to say YES! this album ROCKS! I
> absolutely hated everything about LOAD, but reLOAD rocks. This album is a
> return to the feel of The Black Album. I really like almost every track
> off of this album..for once since The Black Album, I will recommend this to
> someone to purchase. This isn't a disappoint, though less heavy, it is
> more talented than most of Metallica's releases.
Are you sure you like those Marianne Faithful vocals? They
should had choosen a woman with female vocals, not one with vocals that
makes James Hetfield's ones appear like woman's vocals.
The only good song on this album: Fuel.
BTW, every artist seem to say that when they're getting older,
they are more mature and they don't need to play fast to show off their
abilities anymore etc. Ok. You know that Master of Puppets is 8:3x minutes
long. I have a boot here from the MoP tour where they play MoP in less
than 7:3x. That's *very* fast and I definitely think that I need this.
I *NEED* Immaturity!!! :-)))
[]s with a lot of immaturity :-), Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 11:56:17 EST From: "Kelly A. McAllister" <s0277007@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Birchhill Message-ID: <9711251656.AA00542@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Question, One of my friends said that at the Irving Plaza show DS told her that they are going to play at the Birchhil in Old Bridge, NJ on January 2. Can anyone confirm this?
Kelly
--------Being laughed at and confused keeps us pleasantly amused enough to --------stay... Voices--------
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:58:42 -0600 (CST) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@BERGERON.METR.ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: top 5 CDs for 1997 Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.971125105745.1685A-100000@bergeron>
I need the e-mail address of the person to send my top 5 CDs of the year. I accidentally deleted the jam post with that info.
Thanks, Jon
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:03:35 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Lunar Crush Message-ID: <347B8377.2C97@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
I've heard some samples from the band "Lunar Crush" and I like them. I think you should give them a chance and hear the samples.
You can find them at : http://www.concentric.net/~caber1/lunar.html
I would say Kevin Moore's Chroma Key will sound like them with the exception of Vocals. It's some kind of Prog Industrial which sounds very cool.
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 12:14:40 EST From: "Kelly A. McAllister" <s0277007@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Magoo Message-ID: <9711251714.AA02399@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
hello, i think that they started the Magoo jam at the tradewinds...mike's cybal fell off his drum set and they had to wait for the roadie "magoo" to come and fix it. Mike started playing the drums and singing the line, John made up a really cool bluesy riff and john and derek followed...that was probably the best part of the show just had to put in my two cents, kelly
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:07:45 -0500 From: Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Gorky Park [NDTC] Message-ID: <347B05E0.7B626308@disknet.com>
Hey, does anyone out there remember the band, "Gorky Park?" They were a hard rock / metal band from the former USSR. Jon Bon Jovi discovered them and brought them to the States. He and Richie Sambora produced the band's self-titled 1989 debut, which had a big hit with, "Bang." The song contained alternating Russian and English lyrics, although the rest of the album was all in English. I've seen their CD in used stores a few times. I was just wondering what ever happened to these guy. They were actually pretty good (better than their producers band, anyway!). Maybe some of you late 80's / early 90's glam metal fans will know.
~Matt
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:07:59 -0600 From: al587725@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (Marcelo Martinelli) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: THE REAL STORY BEHIND PERUVIAN SKIES ! Message-ID: <9711251707.AA17115@campus.cegs.itesm.mx>
Everybody knows the story behind Peruvian Skies about a girl who is abused by her father. The incredible thing happened the other day when I was reading an article about child violence, as I was reading it near the end they started to talk about a case of a southamerican girl named Vanessa who said she was raped by her father. At this time I knew it was obviously the story of PS but what really shocked me was that when I continued reading the article started to talk about how kids are getting involved in violence and senseless acts of revenge against their parents and this is where the story got distorted. It turns out that everything Vanessa said was a lie and it was all a hoax , she never was abused by her father and she had created those lies because her father wouldn't let her stay out of her house. The father spent 1 year in prison where at one pointed tried to commit suicide until Vanessa confessed and he was liberated. I'll tell you , I was really impressed to hear this story and I'm sure John Petrucci wasn't aware of all this situation when he wrote the song. How's that for Poor Vanessa !
Marcelo Martinelli Monterrey , Mexico
-It dawned on me one day that I should not be making sandwiches for a living- --- John Petrucci---
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:16:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: still jumping in... Message-ID: <199711251711.MAA02182@bertelsmanncis.com>
from ernesto: >speed can be distracting from the main voice. Think about it, you have one >line made up of whole notes, another one made up of 16th notes. Which one >is going to take the least amount of concentration to follow? The slower >one obviously.
not necessarily. i can listen to charlie haden slowly and methodically pick out beautiful, perfectly chosen notes in a wonderfully slow and tasteful bassline, and i can hear michael anthony bore the listening with his aimless sixteenth note playing. the first is much slower, but is far more cerebral, and to truly appreciate it requires far more concentration.
from nicholas: >In regards to over/underplaying: if you think it sounds good, whether it be >fast or slow, then what do you care as to whether or not people say it's >too fast or slow? Should their opinions on whether too fast even MATTER to >your enjoyment of the music? I certainly don't let it bother me...
hmmm... true, only in that the bottom line should always be the individual's enjoyment of the music. however, this debate isn't necessarily about that; rather, it is concerned with whether the notion of "overplaying" is valid as a criticism of certain forms of music, and further, whether it is even a valid concept. in that regard, it is a discussion worth pursuing.
from clark: >Musical complexity and chops >are theoretically unrelated, though in practice they seem to occur together >quite a bit. In fact, I would go a step further with this argument and say >that I don't like some of that shrapnel stuff for the same reason I don't like >Nirvana; (get ready for this) I don't like some of the all-shred stuff >because it's too simple.
very true, and a good point! something can be blindingly fast, but musically, it can be quite simple. a string of furious 128th notes (oof) can be all the same note, or simply flying up and down scales. very fast... and mind-numbingly simple. the important term here, of course, is "simple." the technique may not be simple, but the music itself could very well be. think of the micromachines guy--were he to recite a cheesy romance novel really fast, his interesting verbal technique does not affect the simplicity of the literature. as a piece of literature, it's still boring, one-dimensional, and shallow. the complaint about over-playing, then, seems to hinge in part on whether the part being played fast is more than just technique--if it is musically compelling and challenging as well.
--MATt
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:20:08 -0200 From: Pedro Prado <beheader@hehe.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Drummers that rule!!!! Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971125152008.006caf24@pop.sili.com.br>
>For jazz drummers, let me add one more....Roy Haynes. He is a tiny drummer >who plays with Chick Corea band.
Sorry, but you forgot one of the best Jazz drummers of all times: Steve Gadd. He's not only a jazz drummer, but when he plays jazz he kicks azz! :) If you want to listen to him check this Chick Corea's album: "Three Quartets". That's it.
Oh! Check this page too: http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/sgadd/index.html
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:27:15 -0700 From: Eric S P Barker <EBarker@NBCI.Net> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Loren Message-ID: <01BCF98C.B68776C0@Production1.NBCI.Net>
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------------------------------------- HELLO LOREN....................... Asking Price $17 >Rush: A farewell to kings: This album is in fantastic shape, no >scratches. Cover in perfect shape (for it's age) >This is the album I want to part with least :( > Asking price $20
What? How on earth can you ask so much for USED CD's? I can get the re-mastered versions of ALL the Rush CD's at Circuit City for $9.99! I know you may have payed a lot for them back then, but I think you better re-price those my friend.
-Loren
The Key word is >>>ALBUM<<< not CD
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