YTSEJAM Digest 3283
Today's Topics:
1) Revamped Web Page & Powermad
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
2) my chilling/goosebumps DT moment
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
3) Old Dream Theater Magazine Article
by Michael Pomerleau <mpomerle@mail1.nai.net>
4) NYC, Irving Plaza Review (WITH setlist and Xmas CD info) LONG!!
by YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu>
5) LitS as Opening Song
by michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
6) NYC,Irving Plaza (setlist)
by YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu>
7) About that contest..
by ccompton@elpnet.com (Christina C)
8) question about Extreme
by "Once, there was this normal boy..." <bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu>
9) hmmm...
by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
10) Plethora of DT and Rush boots for sale
by "Ryan Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
11) Plethora of DT and Rush boots for sale
by "Ryan Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
12) Song order and mail
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
13) goosebump moments...
by Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au>
14) JAMMIN' WITH BIG WRECK CONTEST (fwd)
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
15) SILENT MAN GUITAR SOLO
by Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK
16) Live sound.
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:39:21 -0500
From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
To: YtseGods <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Revamped Web Page & Powermad
Message-ID: <347904F9.4F0A@enter.net>
Hey Ytsejammers!
I finally revamped my web page, only after 13/14 months of stagnation.
But it's redone. Not complete, but MUCH BETTER than before. Hope you
check it out and let me know what you think.
the address is:
http://www.enter.net/~bduesterhoeft/bruweb.html
thanks
Bruce
PS. Any word on Powermad in Baltimore. Such as when everyone is
playing and where the hell Tall Cedars Hall is? Has anyone tried
calling Global Connections?
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:46:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: my chilling/goosebumps DT moment
Message-ID: <199711240446.XAA29293@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
Ahh, guess I'll join on in for this thread... for me, the most
chilling/intense DT moment is the few seconds between Eve and Learning
to Live on Lost in the Sky, where there is sort of a crowd chant
combined with the ending of Eve & beginning of LtL. That, and I guess
the piano intro to Surrounded between WfS and Surrounded when they did
the 2 as a medley on the I&W tour (such as on LitS, the boot)
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:05:05 -0500
From: Michael Pomerleau <mpomerle@mail1.nai.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Old Dream Theater Magazine Article
Message-ID: <34790B01.25B6B27@ct1.nai.net>
I just recently found an old magazine article on Dream Theater from a
magazine called "Heavens Metal." I was a Christian Heavy Metal Magazine
that had a column called "What So and So Sez" in which they would
interview secular artists.
This has a GOOD interview with Michael Portnoy. This was just after
Images and Words was released. It has got a good explanation of the
meanings of the songs "Pull Me Under" and "Another Day" (which I am sure
Chris Merlo will want to mention are already in the Faq).
It also mentions that Pull Me Under, not only is loosely based on
Hamlet, but on the life of Jesus Christ, and the similarities between
the two.
I have transcribed it and put it on my home page.
--
Michael Pomerleau
E-mail: (Home) michael_pomerleau@SNET.NET OR mpomerle@ct1.nai.net
(Work) michael_pomerleau@adc.com
Visit My Home Page at http://w3.nai.net/~mpomerle
Who knows where the Cold Wind Blows...
I ask my friends, but nobody knows...
WHITESNAKE . . . 'Love ain't no Stranger'
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:58:40 +0000
From: YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NYC, Irving Plaza Review (WITH setlist and Xmas CD info) LONG!!
Message-ID: <Pine.VMS.3.91-vms-b4.971124003514.14501A-100000@uhavax.hartford.edu>
Well, since i haven't seen a full review yet of the Irving Plaza show...
I guess i owe the Ytsejammer community one :)
Let's start from the beginning shall we...
My plan to arrive early failed quite miserably. We missed the
5:58 train and we were not waiting another hour to catch the next one.
So, we decided to drive in. What a mistake that was. We arrived at Irving
Plaza a little after 8:15pm and a little after 5 or 6 near misses with
those damn NYC taxi drivers. There was still a line around the block but moved
kinda quickly.
We entered the building to find a spot right in the middle of the floor.
The crowd was good that night. Still crowded, but not that "I can't move
my arms or breathe" kinda crowded. There i was introduced to one of our
very own YtseJammers, Al (I hope thats yur name, cause i think thats what
i heard you say :). Didn't meet any other jammers until after...
So here we go, on with the show....
Yur standard basic setlist. But at the request of another jammer
[Chris Groves] i'll include one..but it is not even close to the order...
The show started with Big Wreck. I wasn't impressed (again). Saw them at
New Haven, weren't impressive there either..felt kinda sorry for them though,
the crowd was screamin at them "You Suck" "You Blow" "Play Some Slayer". The
lead singer actually replied.."Does it look like i know any Slayer? How about
some Simon and Garfunkle?"..Anyway, their songs pretty much sounded too much
alike, they were so drawn out, it was just getting quite boring. They don't
sound BAD, but i just can't get into their music..oh well, on with the
good stuff...
The five unreleased songs played over the PA then 'Rooster' came on.
The crowd was unbeleivably siked! Derek came on and started groovin with
his keyboards. Then all the members finally took the stage and the crowd
went friggin nuts!! Portnoy looked very happy because of this along with
Labrie... They started off with
Lines in the sand :
great opener actually, didn't think it would be, but it is. The backing
vocals were great too. They make the song sound more full.
New Millenium :
I like this song more and more, everytime i hear it live.
Peruvian Skies :
What else can i say? just beautiful.
Burning My Soul :
What a great kick ass song! sounded better this time around, a little
more crunch.
Take Away My Pain:
can you get any more emotional? Much better than the album version. The
song sounds much better without the drums starting it up.
Just let me Breathe:
I love this song...it just keeps going and going from begining to end.
Change of Seasons:
great as always...It's great how it just pops up during the show...
Pull Me Under:
No matter how many times i hear this song, everytime i see it live, it's
just like the first time i heard it.
YtseJam:
The solos were AWESOME! the drum solo seemed a little longer than the one
in New Haven, CT.
Metropolis:
well, what do you think :)
The band stopped cold right before the last verse (finished after). This is
where Mike brought out his daughter Melody. What a cutie :) (Baby, not Mike)
Then, a little suprise. Thats right folks, Nightmare Cinema.
Petrucci on Drums, Portnoy on Bass, Myung on Keys, Derek on guitar, and
James on vocals...
Perfect Strangers:
not as tight as Dream Theater but not too shabby :)
Looked like the band was havin a great time!! almost as much as the crowd
was. Derek and Mike runnin around all over the stage. It was certainly a sight
to behold.
Thats about it for the show...I probably forgot a song. oh well
I had the pleasure of meeting Wisha for a second time...
and had an encounter with the YtseGoon and his funky hat!
we all waited in the freezing cold for two hours after the show
along with 30 or so other people.
First one out the door was Mr. Petrucci who graciously signed everything
and anything the people had to offer..all except one guys ass :)
Next out was Mr. Myung who ran for the bus, but didn't quite run
fast enough :) Everone surrounded him and was again gracious enough to
sign autographs and press the flesh.
Mr. Labrie was next, answering questions about his home town near
Toronto and my friend, Rich's question about how many octaves he had (4)
which kinda stumped him. Someone asked James if he played any other
instruments. He replied that he also plays drums, then someone asked why
he didn't play them on Perfect Strangers. This brought out James'
question of 'Who is gonna sing?' someone replied 'Mike', which James replied
"Yeah...Right...Mike" :)
Mr. Sherinian came out with a lovely young woman clinging to him.
I asked him what it was like workin for Alice Cooper. He said it was
great and would be playing New Years Eve in Detroit with Alice. He said
he had the night off.
Last but not least, The Man himself, Mr. Portnoy. He had to go somewhere
but gave his word that he would be back to sign autographs.
After a little bit, he did indeed return. Tried to pry a little info
outta him about the Christmas CD. He said I'll just hafta wait (what
can i say, i'm just impatient :) He DID say it wouldn't be live
material, and it would not be the unreleased songs from FII. So now my
question is..What does that leave? :)
Just wanna finish up by saying the guys were GREAT and thank them for an
awesome show and stickin around to hang out with the fans in the freezing
cold!
I apologize for the length of the post!
YtseJim
Homepage: http://uhavax.hartford.edu/~lutz/front.htm
Beyond Reality: http://uhavax.hartford.edu/~lutz
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:03:29 -0400
From: michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LitS as Opening Song
Message-ID: <199711240601.BAA05905@mail.trincoll.edu>
Hey Guys,
I have to disagree with those who think LitS is a bad opener. For those of
you who haven't seen DT live on this tour yet, the intro to LitS is SO
ballsy and dramatic. It starts the show off at about a 10. By the end of
the show, it's well past 11:)
Later all!
-Mike
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:12:52 +0000
From: YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NYC,Irving Plaza (setlist)
Message-ID: <Pine.VMS.3.91-vms-b4.971124010450.4412A-100000@uhavax.hartford.edu>
DOH!
I can't beleive i forgot THREE songs!
Voices, Hollow Years and Scarred
Voices:
Seemed better than new haven and i don't know why
Hollow Years:
This song needs to get played on the radio!
Scarred:
Kinda funny how this rare song became a permanant one in the set.
I also forgot to mention that Mike said 'Trail Of Tears' will more than
likely show up on the second leg of the tour.
Later
YtseJim
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:15:54 -0800 (PST)
From: ccompton@elpnet.com (Christina C)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: About that contest..
Message-ID: <199711240615.WAA00871@odin.ax.com>
Hi,
Did I miss the posting of the 10 winners from that contest that was
posted a few days ago??
Christina
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:45:29 EST
From: "Once, there was this normal boy..." <bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: question about Extreme
Message-ID: <009BDC03.1B995D40.52@bigvax.alfred.edu>
in response to the question about whether or not Extreme broke-up because of
Gary S. joining Van Halen, or not, from my understanding, Extreme broke-up
before. in fact, I believe Extreme broke-up before the release of
Schizophrenia by Nuno. but I may be wrong! so don't quote me, 'kay?
thanks,
me
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:05:44 -0500
From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: hmmm...
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971124020544.0069e25c@scott.skidmore.edu>
I just heard James count off 1...2...3 at the beginning of Take Away My
Pain....
I have my headphones on...heh...I'm too tired, and attempting to finish a
paper on, so I just heard it....
NP: (obviously) FII
Erica Bonomi, ebonomi@skidmore.edu
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:26:40 -0600
From: "Ryan Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Plethora of DT and Rush boots for sale
Message-ID: <19971124072813.AAA1083@hombre>
Hi there, everybody. This is just a quick reminder before I leave for
Thanksgiving vacation that I have the following CDs for sale!
- Seven Wonders (Dream Theater) - The first seven Mike Bahr DT boots (plus
bonus Mind Control), all on one disc (around 125 discs out of 150 sold)
- Spinning Years (Dream Theater) - Six complete double-disc DT bootlegs,
all on one disc (around 50 out of 200 discs sold)
- Caught in Amsterdam '97 (Dream Theater) - Double-disc, pre-FII tour boot.
Very high quality, includes old versions of FII songs as well as extended
versions of previous songs. (unlimited quantity)
- watchful.eye (Rush) - Six complete premium Rush bootlegs, all on one disc
(around 40 out of ?? discs sold)
- Run Faster (Rush) - Easily one of the best Roll the Bones tour boots
available (open for pre-orders)
Further detailed information about these discs can be found at the web
address below.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving, everybody! In the US, that is. =)
Take care,
Ryan Whitaker
- Scarred Records
- David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net
- http://www.geocities.com/soho/2236
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:32:38 -0600
From: "Ryan Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Plethora of DT and Rush boots for sale
Message-ID: <19971124073309.AAA21030@hombre>
Hi there, everybody. This is just a quick reminder before I leave for
Thanksgiving vacation that I have the following CDs for sale!
- Seven Wonders (Dream Theater) - The first seven Mike Bahr DT boots (plus
bonus Mind Control), all on one disc (around 125 discs out of 150 sold)
- Spinning Years (Dream Theater) - Six complete double-disc DT bootlegs,
all on one disc (around 50 out of 200 discs sold)
- Caught in Amsterdam '97 (Dream Theater) - Double-disc, pre-FII tour boot.
Very high quality, includes old versions of FII songs as well as extended
versions of previous songs. (unlimited quantity)
- watchful.eye (Rush) - Six complete premium Rush bootlegs, all on one disc
(around 40 out of ?? discs sold)
- Run Faster (Rush) - Easily one of the best Roll the Bones tour boots
available (open for pre-orders)
Further detailed information about these discs can be found at the web
address below.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving, everybody! In the US, that is. =)
Take care,
Ryan Whitaker
- Scarred Records
- David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net
- http://www.geocities.com/soho/2236
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:40:17 -0700
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Song order and mail
Message-ID: <34792F61.29AF@goodnet.com>
I read Mr. Brito's mail about finding the "perfect order" to play the
songs on each DT album. I admit there is a certain amount of pace that
you want for your listening... three ballads in a row would be really
depressing to hear, right? However I have never found a really good
order for the music because there always seems like something out of
place. On FII, I think that YNM doesn't follow NM well, and that HY
doesn't follow PS well, but OTOH I can't think of an order that would
work well for those songs. I agree that TOT should be last and NM should
be first. Beyond that... who knows. With that in mind, I generally hit
"random" whenever I'm playing DT discs. Oh sure, it splits up AMBI,
HK/LITS, and WFS/LTL on their respective CDs, but the pure surprise and
the element of the unknown add a certain concert-like feel to listening
to the CDs. Just my opinion.
I'm about a week behind in e-mail just now, so if you e-mailed me and
didn't hear back, bear with me, I'll get it done within the next couple
of days, caught up to zero again. :) It's been a VERY busy week.
In other news, my web page has been updated. Please feel free to give
it a look if you're a bootin' kinda person. :)
--
- Mike Bahr/Prism Records
- durnik @ goodnet . com
- http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:58:07 +0900
From: Paul Dyer <dyer@taunet.net.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: goosebump moments...
Message-ID: <1331728209-5501786@smtp.taunet.net.au>
Hmmm...goosebumps....
I think:
The end bit of Take the Time.
All of Space Dye Vest.
The solo(s) in Scarred.
That kind of "running" riff in the heavy part of Peruvian Skies (simple but
effective).
When it kicks back into the opening riff on Ytse Jam.
"Does this voice the wounds of your soul?" in CIAW.
"Watch the Sparrow falling..." in PMU.
Non DT:
The first lead break on Arcturus' first song from the first album.
The victim of changes bit of "Victim of Changes" by Judas Priest
Most of "The Last Sunset" album by Conception.
Most of Opeth's two albums.
Most of Malmsteen's "Trilogy"
There's more but thats all I can think of now....
Cheers
Paul D.
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 04:08:42 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: JAMMIN' WITH BIG WRECK CONTEST (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971124040808.13218A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
For those that missed it the first time:
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A T T E N T I O N A L L Y T S E J A M M E R S
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In celebration of BIG WRECK's tour with DREAM THEATER, Atlantic
Records, in conjunction with YTSEJAM, is pleased to announce
JAMMIN' WITH BIG WRECK:
an exclusive contest you will only find here on the jam.
Those of you who have already seen BIG WRECK on the DT tour can
attest to the fact that this Boston-based group delivers a tight and
furious set of guitar-driven rock that is unmatched by anything topping
the charts today. Comparisons here on the jam have likened the band to
everyone from Soundgarden to Stevie Ray Vaughn to STP.
HOW IT WORKS: The first 10 people to PRIVATELY e-mail me the correct
answer to the Big Wreck trivia question at the bottom of this message will
receieve a Big Wreck Prize Package, which will include: publicity photos,
bios, stickers, and promotional flats. Of these 10 people, I will select one
Grand Prize winner who will receive, in addition to the aforementioned
items, the video for the band's current single "The Oaf." To have a
shot at the Grand Prize, all you have to do is include in your e-mail
answer a short little blurb about why you think you should win the Grand
Prize. It's that simple. Once the ten people have been selected, I will
post the names and e-mail addresses of the winners (and the grand prize
winner) to the jam. Upon seeing this, the winners will then send me their
mailing addresses PRIVATELY.
WHERE TO SEND YOUR ANSWER: rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu
PLEASE NOTE: Unfortunately, this offer only applies to jammers residing
in the United States. Furthermore, only the first ten responses will be
accepted. Any response posted publicly on the jam will be considered null
and void. You also must be on the jam to win (meaning no forwarding this
message to your cyber-pals who aren't on the list nor to
alt.music.dream-theater). Lastly, by entering this contest you are not
going to be put any worthless mailing lists. It goes no further than here,
so relax.
AND THE QUESTION IS: What does each member of Big Wreck play?
HINT: Go to to www.bigwreck.com or the Atlantic Records Homepage at
www.atlantic-records.com to find out the answer.
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:10:51 +0000
From: Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: SILENT MAN GUITAR SOLO
Message-ID: <80256559.00323C39.00@ThamesWater.Co.Uk>
Am I the ony person who thinks the guitar solo for this song is about 30
seconds shorter than it should be.
I can remember the exact place i was when i first heard this song and i
loved the acousticness of it, i also love acoustic solo's, so i was so
disappointed when this one seemed to finish before it started.......
anyone agree/disgree or know better...........
cheers
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:21:06 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Live sound.
Message-ID: <199711240921.BAA04154@gms.gmsnet.com>
Well, I've seen Fates with and without Aresti, and I must say, I miss that
"wall of guitar" sound that the duo guitar attack had live. I wonder if
the boyz would consider getting another guitarist again...
-The Doc
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