YTSEJAM Digest 3279
Today's Topics:
1) loud hour
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
2) Chaos Theory and goosebumps
by Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au>
3) irving plaza- my brain still hurts from the anus-tearing
by Thrak75@aol.com
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3278
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
5) Re: a goosebump moment
by Madsag@aol.com
6) re: goosebump moments
by Matthew Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
7) Cool DT Moments
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
8) Re: a goosebump moment
by Derfelt@aol.com
9) Re: Megadeth "Disintegrators" / Testament "Demonic"
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
10) Dutch Progressive Rock Page
by Ed Sander <lush.attic@consunet.nl>
11) DTIFC ???
by Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
12) A Mature Cart Gets Creative
by Eminense Grise <caber1@concentric.net>
13) BMS in Tucson...
by Michael_R_Kizer@csc.com
14) Goosebump Moments
by "James Thorpe" <thirdhvn@community.net>
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 03:05:23 -0500 (EST)
From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: loud hour
Message-ID: <01IQC12XHETE0002YI@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Hey! At least you guys get an *hour* to blast the tension off. When I was
on campus, the rule was, if the RA can hear it from *right outside your
closed door*, you're in trouble. And man, I would have liked to blast off
some tension after some of those art "critiques".
Move off campus.
btw, I'm sure we discussed this before, but how long have you been playing
oboe? I played the clarinet for...um, many years. It molded many parts of
mylife until I went to college, and then I just pretty much dropped it. I
have always liked other wind instruments, especially oboes(obi?).
sssssssssssssssseeya
josh
rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:10:15 +1000
From: Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Chaos Theory and goosebumps
Message-ID: <3477E4E7.1AE7@winshop.com.au>
>I love that line in Peruvian Skies.
>However, absolutely the most goose-bumpiest (if we are going to use the
>goose-bump factor) section in all of Dream Theater is the "Whoah oh oh,
>Whoah oh oh, WHOAH OH OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" part of Learning to
>Live.
>I shiver every time I listen to that song.
I'll make another reference to Chaos Theory here. If you don't already
have the mp3 of the demo from Dr.Mosh, then GET IT and listen to at
about 00:36 - the bit with the real short, stabbing powerchords and
there's this really sort of high-pitched, keyboard effect that sounds
like a big bunch of psychotic cicadas just going f**ken crazy.
Truly goosebumpish in a macabre kind of way.
Another one that comes to mind once again is Celestial Haze by Lemur
Voice. When the (to quote you), "OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" vocals also
come in.....geez, goosebumps the size of basketballs.
There's just so many 'goosebumpy' moments in this style of music.
Until the eleventh hour calls....
Luke.
PS. Opeth - Under The Weeping Moon, when the NON DEATH VOCALS come in
with at about 7:45 [bbrrrrrghhhh - who turned the f**ken airconditioning
on ?]. Not to mention the accoustic guitar section 3:15 with the swirls
over the top [bbrrrrrghhhh X 2].
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 03:50:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: irving plaza- my brain still hurts from the anus-tearing
Message-ID: <971123035037_-154717909@mrin58.mail.aol.com>
so umm.....i went to see this band tonight. people kept yelling "dt". i think
they were called "delirium tremens." i came yay close to trembling
deliriously after the show (but maybe from the cold).
irving plaza tonight had the most frightening band i've ever seen. i'm not
going to bother with setlists and whatnot because someone else will probably
beat me to it.
but- they were incredible. all i can say is......make ANY effort to go see
this band. GIVE HEAD if you have to (guys included).
now the fun part- i had a very interesting experience at the irving plaza
show, and i'd like to share it with you all....
so there we were, listening and banging heads away to "pmu". yeah, it was
great and all, and i kept waving my hands and "it" over my head to cheer.
....and then james took it.
"it" is a large, black hell's angel's helmet which i've acquired along my
journey. it's a fun fashion statement, and it protects me from injuries which
i usually get from people moshing and kicking me in the head with docs. for a
couple of minutes in "pmu", james labrie was running around with "it" nice
and snug on his head (i really hope someone took a picture than can go up on
a webpage). even nicer is that he gave it back to me- it made me a happy boy.
he said something after the song, but my earplugs didn't let me hear what he
said. nonetheless, it (and "it") made my night.
after the show, i naturally hung out and met the boys (and those in the crew-
a lovely bunch, especially the one who gave my girlfriend a paper towel so
she could blow her nose). but the guys were so kind and willing to sign my
contracts textbook after i begged them to "help me pass my 1st semester of
law school." portnoy did a beautiful signature on page 420 (his birthdate),
right over the decision in "bailey v. west". derek left a curious one on "his
favorite number", 111. james signed over the section titled "alternatives to
litigation", and petrucci (i think) signed the case i have to read for next
week. that means i have to find myung's, the head roadie's, and the bouncer's
signatures still.
portnoy's baby is a cutie. myung gave me a weird look when i suggested he
shave his head and grow a mustache a la tony levin (he also said that they'll
probably get to "trial of tears' the second time they come around- sometime
in '98). petrucci gave me also looked at me funny when i asked him to sign my
book, but he graciously did, anyhows. derek might need a lawyer (*smirk*- if
he remembers; you had to be there), and james was getting accosted by the
"girls from sherbrooke who drove 3574385 miles and blew 400 hundred bucks
just to get his autograph."
some guy kept asking the band to sign his buttcheeks. i wonder if anyone got
to it.
all in all, it was an amazing night. glad i got to meet "mr. adam", and "ms.
rachel" and "mr. ytsejim and friend whose name i forgot".
so um, yeah, go see them. now. you will love it.
"put your hands where my eyes can see!" -busta rhymes.
ytsegoon (he with the now-legendary hat)
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david y. kobayashi
the new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
dkobayashi@nyls.edu
"you have to learn how to change your instincts....or at least ignore them."
-waiting for guffman
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:35:04 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3278
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971123042826.47774B-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Sat, 22 Nov 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> >Question: If You Had To Pick that One Part Of That One DT Song That Always
> >Makes You Cream, What Would You Pick?
> >
Too many choices....but I would have to say:
In LSOAD, coming out of the instrumental section, right after Labrie
hits that high note with "And she listens OOOOPPPEEENNNLLLLYYY" and the
layered guitars kick in for the chorus. That's does for me everytime.
Richie
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:55:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Madsag@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: a goosebump moment
Message-ID: <971123045524_-1667341882@mrin44.mail.aol.com>
>>Question: If You Had To Pick that One Part Of That One DT Song That Always
Makes You Cream, What Would You Pick?<<
excellent thread.
ive been sitting here dwelling on that one for awhile, and the thing that
keeps replaying in my mind over and over is from Another Day. the very first
note petrucci plays in his solo. that makes me want to die. that made me
say, oh yeah, skill AND musicality.
the funk part at about 4:50 in UAGM. thats just tasty.
vocal stuff i like best is usually in the backups. like in Metropolis
"thousand wooooords" and all the layered stuff in HY is awesome, (i love that
repeating guitar lick in the bridge a lot too.) also in TOT "its raining,
raining" thats so cool. james im just totally happy with the way he sounds on
the new album overall.
basswise i just love the tapping part in the midst of the instrumental
section of metropolis. also the beginning of LSOAD is just evil sounding.
keys and kevin i love in WFS the chords he plays right at the end of the
vocal line before it goes back into the intro part, and the way he ends that
piece is gorgeous. and the way that comes back in during LTL. also with
kevin, i just love his piano sound.
keys and derek - in LITS all those jazzy little flourishes, and that
gershwin-y sounding thing at 10:10. actually everything up to that point is
cool as shit. he makes that whole song for me.
mike - the beginning of 6:00, anything he does with that splash, and during
TOT when james sings "nothing but ashes" the way mike goes into the next part
is just SO cool.
ok i have to stop now.
~melissa~
madsag@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 02:50:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Matthew Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: goosebump moments
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971123023227.13708A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Cool idea for a thread, btw... (just reiterating what everybody else
has said! ^_^)
Hrm... how about 3:05 into Met ("swimming in a lake of FIRE!") that shriek
from the guitar hits me hard. ^_^
I have a special connection to TTT (I read all of the Belgariad by David
Eddings with this song on infinite repeat -- works well, and really adds
to the story, especially around the fourth book! ^_^), but the
bridge and the second chorus is the big point for me, because of the
lyrics ("Life is no more assuring than love") Cool stuff, esp. the
transition between the two parts (bridge to chorus), but I'm a sucker for
epic!
All of Prix-mo's speech in Vocices frys my goosebumps -- awesome part
there.
The last 1/4 of Hell's Kitchen (where it builds into the Faith no Moreish
bassline) kicks my ass...
On a more obscure note, John Arch's demo for Killing Hand, where Charlie
used to mess it up ("I am the killing HAAAAAAND!"), Arch pulls of
beautifully, *and* with an addition "power chord" harmony above it!
Whoa... and I thought 1986 saw the best of his vocal range ^_^
Fav DT moment -- on Antiquities, the live version of TTT -- since JLB
doesn't have backing vocals, he asks the crowd to sing along on the
chorus, by saying, "come on" after his main part. The "on" sounds so dang
Canadian for some reason (^_-) Also, when JLB cracks up while singing --
shows me how much fun he's having... I can just imagine JP or MP making
some wisecrack face, or JLB looking at DS bellbottoms or something (I
dunno if DS wore bellbottoms, I'm just using my imagination) fun stuff...
There's more shiver material out there from DT, I just can't remember it
all... ^_^ Ah well...
I'll be back,
As your guardian.
--Matt
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"..." --James LaBrie, "Hell's Kitchen"
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:15:40 +1000
From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cool DT Moments
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971123211540.006d45e8@powerup.com.au>
Hi
I'd like to say 'Goosebump-inducing DT moments' instead of 'cool DT
moments' but I don't get goosebumps when listening to DT so it'd be pretty
stoopid to say that I did. Yeah?
Anyways...
* The keys/guitar duet, then the keys solo, in "Take the Time".
* The "Xanadu"-esque guitar bit near the end of "Learning to Live" (reminds
me of "Xanadu", anyway).
* "It's a shame no one is praying, cause these voices in my head keep
saying 'love, just don't stare'..." - Voices
* JP's solo in "Scarred".
* The verses in the middle of "Lines in the Sand".
* The extended ending of "Take the Time" on the Mind Control boot (and
others, I assume).
* Sam Neill speaking at the beginning of the Mind Control boot (and others,
I assume) from "The Piano" (brilliant movie, btw - see it!).
* "Eve"
That's all I can think of at the moment. More than I thought there were...
See yis
Love, Spiff
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:14:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Derfelt@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: a goosebump moment
Message-ID: <971123091449_-971732621@mrin41.mail.aol.com>
A very definite goosebump moment for me is at the end of "Pull Me Under" when
the synthesized strings and everything are going and James LaBrie's singing
(very slowly, I might add) "Oh, this too, that solid flesh would melt" and
then (at least on my CD) the song just cuts off and goes to "Another Day".
Also on Images and Words, the very end of "Learning To Live" always hits me
hard, with John Myung's bass still there right after everything else drops
off, then the band goes along with him, and John Petrucci does some great
harmony leads.
As for Awake, it too is full of goosebump moments. The first, in my opinion,
is on "Erotomania" when they do the theme to "The Silent Man", first by lead
guitar, then the coda done by the whole band, then what seems to be the
chorus theme to "Caught In A Web". That gets me every time. "Voices" is
full of them, but my favorite is when, after being really quiet for a while,
they rip into "Like a scream, but sort of silent, living out my
nightmares...Voices repeating me." (I'm not exactly sure of the lyric the
first time...it might be repeating, discussing, protecting, I'm not sure)
The "Blood, heal me" part of "Scarred" always sends shivers down my spine.
The part of "Space-Dye Vest" right before the vocals and guitar come back in
never fails to move me.
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:22:49 -0500 (EST)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Megadeth "Disintegrators" / Testament "Demonic"
Message-ID: <v01520d00b09da591b08c@[207.90.119.44]>
>Hey all, I found something...kinda interesting on the thrash song "The
>Disintegrators" off of Cryptic Writings. I didn't pick it up until I put
>the headphones on last night and went to sleep to the CD. At 0:29 into the
>song, you can clearly hear a voice saying "6-6-6" in the right speaker.
>Anyone else hear this? I thought it was kinda interesting considering the
>religious beliefs some of the members of MD have.
hmmm... interesting.
i understand what you're saying, but honestly, i bet they're just doing it
as a joke. if you think about it "666" is made out far worse than people
should make it out to be. some people don't even want that in their address,
telephone number, license plate, etc... it's just a number.
did anybody else think that the beginning of Testaments "Demonic" album was
*really* cheesy? "10-9-8-7-6-6-6-..." i laughed the first time i heard it.
"cheesy pseudo satanism" the name of the album is "demonic" but the song is
"demonic refusal"... plus almost all of their lyrics are quite clean and
non-evil... i think it's just window dressing to get the certain buyer
interested... go figure.
Dan
---+ +---
Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com
Galactic Cowboys on the Web...muh!?
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:20:06 -0800
From: Ed Sander <lush.attic@consunet.nl>
To: Freaks <freaks@ax.com>,
Subject: Dutch Progressive Rock Page
Message-ID: <3478AC16.254D@consunet.nl>
Dear Progressive Rock fans !!
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being available on the Net the Dutch Progressive Rock Page has found a new
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It took some weeks to set-up the new site and re-design the main pages
but most of it - at least the pages which are visited most regular - is
ready to be viewed now.
So, please be welcome at our new site:
. and don't forget to bookmark it and throw away the old address.
We would appreciate it if you could let us know what you think of the
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Finally, we would like to thank the people who made all of this possible;
the folks at Internet Services Provider Vuurwerk (www.vuurwerk.nl).
Best regards and hoping to hear from you soon,
The DPRP Team
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:54:58 -0500
From: Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DTIFC ???
Message-ID: <347843C2.2325@seacoast.com>
Does anyone know if the latest edition of the fanzine [ Fall 97] has
been sent yet?? because this would be my 4th issue and time to
re-subscribe. Thanks
Rob
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:43:49 -0800
From: Eminense Grise <caber1@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A Mature Cart Gets Creative
Message-ID: <34787964.6168@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
To be honest with you I haven't read the past 100 or so jams(well, a
couple of them I did read). But this jam just blew my mind. Good job
everyone. [applause] Now get back to work! ;)
> From: The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
> Subject: Revolution
> This always bugs me for some reason. I just don't see why a song has to
> be completely revolutionary to be good. I can see where they are coming
> from to some extent, but I rather listen to a song that sounds cool to me
> rather than something just because it's different than anything else.
> Maybe I am just weird...
Not to start a huge thread or anything... :)
I usually condemn music I hear on the radio as boringly clone-ish. I
prefer music that has some creative things going on in it(or new to me
at least). I don't even mind if a song is an out-and-out copy of another
band. If it's done well I'll probably like it. But when something does
nothing creative or doesn't even sound good, I'll usually go pick up
something like say WDADU and play it until my ears go numb! :)
> From: "Scott/Curt Hansen" <curth@execpc.com>
> Subject: more stuff that I found out Tuesday
Okay, Hansons are a crappy band but the Hansen's posts are the best-est
posts! :) Whoever you are keep posting. This was great.
While reading about MP situation with Magna Carta I started to think.
Does anyone know what other side bands Magna Carta has setup? Something
like MP with Dimebag Darrell, would be really wacky. It seems the prog
world is coming together to support itself. [side note: Interesting
line-ups are abound in my head]
> From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
> Subject: Re: Musical Maturity (Beta 1.0)
> Think about it, how many time have you kept on tinkering on a song, just
> because it's too simple? It happens to me all the time...why not just let
> inspiration guide you?
But would you say that this works in reverse, too? Let's say I made
something like Met Part 2 (yeah right :) and I broke it up into several
songs. And all the songs had no relation to the other. Wouldn't I be
immature?
Of course, your last line leaves a pretty big door open, too. If you
have a thought about making a song more complex couldn't it be
considered inspiration? And if you didn't let inspiration guide you, you
would be immature. Therefore for the sake of my maturity I had to write
Met part 2!;-)
John McCabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:30:50 -0700
From: Michael_R_Kizer@csc.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: BMS in Tucson...
Message-ID: <07256556.0080A19D.00@csc.com>
Here's an interesting little snippet from our one and only "rock" station
in tucson... This is from their official play list, it's interesting to see
where DT falls in with the pack:
96.1 KLPX Tucson Current Playlist
Program Director - Larry Miles - lars@klpx.com
Week Of: 11/17/97
ARTIST TITLE PPW LABEL
Sammy Hagar Both Sides Now (25) Track Factory/MCA
Led Zeppelin The Girl I Love (25) Atlantic
Kenny W Shepherd Slow Ride (24) Revolution
Days Of The New Touch, Peel..Stand (24) Outpost/Geffen
Kiss Jungle (18) Mercury
John Mellencamp Without Expression (18) Mercury
Metallica The Memory Remains (18) Elektra
Mighty Joe Plum Live Through This (17) Atlantic
Kula Shaker Hush (16) Columbia
Corey Stevens Take It Back (16) Discovery
The Wallflowers Three Marlenas (15) Interscope
Rolling Stones Flip The Switch (14) Virgin
AC/DC Dirty Eyes (13) Atlantic
Rolling Stones Anybody Seen My... (13) Virgin
Megadeth Almost Honest (13) Capitol
Yes Open Your Eyes (12) Beyond
Ozzy Back On Earth (10) Epic
Matchbox 20 3am (10) Atlantic
Dream Theater Burning My Soul ( 9) EastWest
Matthew Ryan Guilty ( 8) A & M
Live Rattlesnake ( 8) MCA
I am assuming that PPW means plays per week, so sitting at 9, BMS is not
doing too bad... This is also The majority of the songs that get played
during the day and prime time... If you get an extra minute, email the
program director and tell him that you really dig "That new Dream Theater
song" they are playing, maybe they'll bump it up in the rotation.... :-)
~Mike
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 08:10:58 -0800
From: "James Thorpe" <thirdhvn@community.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Goosebump Moments
Message-ID: <01bcf82a$6250ab20$fab15ecc@mpeywdzn>
>
>>However, absolutely the most goose-bumpiest (if we are going to use the
>>goose-bump factor) section in all of Dream Theater is the "Whoah oh oh,
>>Whoah oh oh, WHOAH OH OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" part of Learning to
>>Live.
>
>>I shiver every time I listen to that song.
hehe. Me too. The lyrics of 'Learning to Live' makes me shake
my head everytime. It captures the essence of things I wish I could convey
in lyric-writing.
I remember when I first heard ACOS with Kevin I couldn't
get enough of the tune. Also when I first bought Images and Words
in late '92, I listened to it EVERYDAY for a year and a half. No joke!!
I don't think any CD has matched that. Maybe 'Perpetual Burn' by
Jason Becker.
There's a ton of stuff on WDADU that's awesome. It's such a great
CD. The ambience, chord progressions, keyboards patches, etc.
Too many great moments.
Its amazing how well written progressive music has so much staying power
than your one hit wonder type bands. Its been 5 years and I still enjoy
listening to the old stuff.
>
>I'll make another reference to Chaos Theory here. If you don't already
>have the mp3 of the demo from Dr.Mosh, then GET IT and listen to at
>about 00:36 - the bit with the real short, stabbing powerchords and
>there's this really sort of high-pitched, keyboard effect that sounds
>like a big bunch of psychotic cicadas just going f**ken crazy.
>
>Truly goosebumpish in a macabre kind of way.
Yup. Its the songwriting of the band thats gonna make everyone
go bonkers. Some people mentioned earlier about
doing alot of technical things to "sort of" imply immaturity. Well, these
guys do it in a way that comes off as good songwriting to me.
It's the note choice and melodic content that makes it that way.
You guys are gonna go nuts when you hear all the new stuff. :)
peace,
--james--
thirdheaven studio
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