YTSEJAM Digest 3052
Today's Topics:
1) First DT tour date via Ticket Bastard
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
2) YtseFarting
by "Larry" <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com>
3) A serious note. . .
by "Gene Szucs" <EEszucs@worldnet.att.net>
4) Re: Caught in Alice 9 Inch Tool Garden/Angra Bootlegs
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
5) Re: DT NEWS-Millenium Project
by "Guillermo Hernandez" <stryker@caribe.net>
6) Re: dt dates
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
7) Must have Bootleg...check it out
by sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
8) Seven Wonders and my upcoming bootleg project =)
by "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
9) Top Secret Post -- Wall of Shit bitching
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
10) Re: G3 In Sacramento
by "James" <rycher@thegrid.net>
11) Re: DT NEWS-Millenium Project
by "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
12) Myung with a pick (again)
by Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
13) Re: Seven Wonders and my upcoming bootleg project =)
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
14) EOJ footnote....
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
15) Re: DT NEWS-Millenium Project
by "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
16) An in-depth listen to FII reveals ...
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:40:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: First DT tour date via Ticket Bastard
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971001153800.17922A@bu-ast.bu.edu>
This one is official (via http://ticketmaster.com/):
DT
House of Blues
Chicago, IL,
Sat Nov 1, 1997, 8:00pm.
18+/Standing Room.
No price given
Warm up the Cars folks, this ones going to be a road trip.
-jeremy
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# Astronomy # -seen on T-shirts all over Vikingland #
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:50:43 -0400
From: "Larry" <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YtseFarting
Message-ID: <199710011946.OAA17038@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com>
Bill Huston wrote:
> I got you both beat, though I don't know why I'm responding to
> this. But I'm not going to admit how much I have you beat by. But I
> know an older one but he's not on the jam. There was ytsefart the
> elder, are you still here?
>
Yup, still here, been here since the late 500's (April '95) and never
missed a post in between. (Jeez, what is that, like 50,000 posts?) I
started calling myself "YtseFart the Elder" after Scott Cook called me an
"old fart" once. If you wanna know how old I am, you'll have to look on
Mark Bredius' YtseBirthday page.
I'll give you a clue, though - Melody Portnoy was born on my 43rd birthday!
Neil Gallop mentioned something I'd also heard on FII - the middle, slow
part of LiTS does sound a lot like Peter Frampton's "Do You Feel Like I
Do?", and at 6:11 JP does a clean little jazzy lick that sounds EXACTLY
like a Frampton riff! I was half expecting the talk-box to reappear . . .
" Do you feeeeeel . . . Loik . . . Oi . . . Doo" - but then JP comes up
with a beautiful melodic solo instead.
Back to the age thing - I never understood why getting older should change
one's musical tastes, but I admit that it seems to do so to most people. I
remember making a vow to myself when I was about 10, though, that I would
never forget what it's like to be a kid. That might be why I can (usually)
hang with you youngsters ;^)
One more thing - I'm very proud to report that all three of my sons (ages
11, 15, and 16) are budding musicians and huge DT fans, too. They don't
live with me, either. That's why it blew me away when the youngest, when
he was 9, was visiting me, riding in the car listening to "Surrounded", and
he sang along with the "Light to dark, dark to light, light to dark, dark
to light, " line - PERFECTLY, in both pitch and rhythm. A true DT moment
. . .
Well, that's MORE than enough about me . . .
YtseFart the Elder (promises to make no more grammatical or spelling
corrections on the 'jam . . .)
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:53:21 -0400
From: "Gene Szucs" <EEszucs@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: A serious note. . .
Message-ID: <19971001194712.AAA1877@crimson>
Dear Jammers,
I have been a little quite lately, due to the fact that on Monday
September 29, at around 1:30 P.M., I was involved in a near fatal car
accident near Sydney, Ohio. I was in a head on collision at 65mph, and
luckily both myself and the other party are not fatally injured, although
both of our cars are totalled. The reason I'm writing this is because at
the time I was listening to FII, "Trial of Tears" to be exact, and the last
line I remember before the accident was the "Raining, Raining deep in
Heaven", part, and that's when the crash occurred. I will keep this short,
due to the fact that I am in pretty bad emotional shape, not to mention
sore physically, but there is no question in my mind that I should've died
in that accident, and it has been very hard for me to acept the fact that
two days later I am sitting at home with three stitches in my head, a
lacerated right hand, and a hairline fracture in my collar bone writing
this. I never lost consciousness, and I did think for the first few
moments that i was indeed dead or close to death, and that I had also taken
someone else with me. . .
I may be without my new DT cd, which is still in the remains of my new '97
Saturn (the car that no doubt saved my life), but I have my life, which as
a fresh 23 year old I nearly took for granted! I am not a reckless driver
(this was my first offense, and pretty much everything I did was legal),
and I was on my way back from leading a retreat for high school juniors
when the accident occured, but I truly believe someone up there is watching
over me, not to mention all of you as well. I don't think I have ever been
so glad as to read a Ytsejam as I have today, because for quite a few
minutes I didn't think I'd ever get to see or hear anything ever again.
God Bless,
-Gene Szucs
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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 15:55:17 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Caught in Alice 9 Inch Tool Garden/Angra Bootlegs
Message-ID: <199710011955.PAA26769@ren.cs.wm.edu>
> Well, CiA9ITG is not a new song. It is the usual "Caught in a
> Web", but with some industrial rock elements thrown in it. It is the
> version they're (they were) playing during the Fix for '96/'97 shows (has
> the new tour started yet?)
Just to further edify (now *there's* a detention word!) the situation, the
CIA9ITG riff became a riff in New Millenium (and I can't tell you at what time
this riff occurs right now, because I'm listening to I&W, but it is the riff
over which the first lines are sung).
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:02:36 -0000
From: "Guillermo Hernandez" <stryker@caribe.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DT NEWS-Millenium Project
Message-ID: <199710012038.QAA19371@mail.caribe.net>
me avisas
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> From: Gonzo1298@aol.com
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: DT NEWS-Millenium Project
> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 7:59 PM
>
>
> This from Tony's Levin's web page, sorry if this has been posted:
> >>Well, we finished the rhythm tracks of the project currently titled
> "Millenium Project" - Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci of Dream Theater,
Jordan
> Rudes of Dixie Dregs -- and me, trying to keep up! (Boy, these guys play
> FAST! ) Hopefully that cd will be ready for release by the end of the
year
> (it'll be on Magna Carta Records, and I'll put up a note and link when
it's
> ready.) We had some amusing moments, some of the riffs being so fast I
must
> admit I had to punch in my bass parts bar by bar. (no shame!)<<
>
> Gonzo
>
>
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:13:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: dt dates
Message-ID: <199710012013.QAA21682@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
Mike Waskevich wrote:
>
>
> Anyone know where I can find us DT concert dates (if there are any)? I would
> appreciate it. PLEASE E-MAIL ME PRIVATELY, NOT TO THE JAM! Also, I read
You selfish punk! :) If anyone gets tour dates, post 'em to the
'Jam. PLEASE E-MAIL ME PRIVATELY should go on those grammar and
other-type posts..........
-Al
-- ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light I am the number One..........burning.
^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:07:15 -0400 (EDT) From: sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Must have Bootleg...check it out Message-ID: <199710012007.QAA05738@polaris.sju>
I have an incredible 2 CD DT bootleg called Lost In The Sky. It was recorded off the sound board in Milan during the When Dream and Tour Unite tour(Images and words tour). It is incredible. It has an outstanding performance of To Live Forever, as well as Eve. They perform the entire I and W album (with a sneak preview of Mirror at the beginning of Take The Time) and there is a great performance of Ytse Jam, featuring a monster solo by Portnoy "Let's get ready to rumbleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!" It is produced by Metal Crash and distributed by Why Not? I got lucky and picked it up in a store on Long Island- Loony Tunes in West Babylon,NY for all you LI ers in here! I bought it two or three years ago on sale for 25 bucks. I was there recently and they still carry it. It is probably more expensive now. Hope everyone checks this one out. Post some questions about it is you have any! Stephen La Monica
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:17:52 -0500 From: "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Seven Wonders and my upcoming bootleg project =) Message-ID: <19971001202003.AAG20228@hombre>
Dan Senko wrote ----- I told Ryan Whittaker I would be a customer reference once I received my lucky disc #27 of Seven Wonders. Not having any of Mike Bahr's originals or CDRs, this was a great way to catch up. It made painting my hallways (God, I hate painting but wallpaper even more!) much more enjoyable. And throwing in Mind Control was a great bonus. This was the boot I wanted the most to get the Awake tour! Ryan, any follow-on plans? Your web page is whetting our appetite. -----
Thanks. =) Yeah, I have some pretty huge follow-up plans. I might as well spill my guts right now. The next bootleg will be called "Spinning Years". It will contain, now get this: The Dance of Eternity (2CD) Lost in the Sky (2CD) Mind Control (2CD) A Kick into a Dream (2CD) Uncovered (2CD) Caught in Amsterdam '97!!!! (2CD)
"Caught in Amsterdam '97" has essentially the same setlist as the "Fix for '96" boot, but is has much better sound quality! Anyway, that's 12 discs worth of material, all for $22 again. Just so you all know my reasoning behind the picks for this next CD, it contains the two best I&W boots, the two best Awake boots, the special Uncovered performance and the best pre-FII material bootleg available. Hence, "Spinning Years". =) For those people who don't like the idea of an MP3 disc and want to get their hands on 'Caught in Amsterdam '97', I'll be duplicating it for, I don't know, $30-$35 or around there. It'll be duplicated in Disc-at-Once format, meaning there will be no gaps between tracks, which is common on bootleg replications (for a seamless concert experience).
Please don't e-mail me just yet about "Spinning Years" or CIA97. I haven't set up a reservation database for it yet. Hold your horses, Tanto. =) I have around 45 reservation spots left open for "Seven Wonders", so that's still up and running. Shipping is continuing on an immediate basis, so if you send me a check on Monday, you'll most likely have the disc in your hands the next Monday (that is, if you're in the USA.. expect 2 weeks for overseas most likely). I'll post a note to the Jam when ordering for "Spinning Years" opens, which will probably be in 2 or 3 weeks. Most of the material is converted and ready to go, but the CD liner (which will be cool!) isn't done yet.
Go here for updates on everything: http://www.geocities.com/soho/2236
Latah! D. Ryan Whitaker David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net
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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 16:18:42 -0400 From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Top Secret Post -- Wall of Shit bitching Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971001161842.006c1cd4@pop.wam.umd.edu>
Courtesy of Wall of Sound:
>Dream Theater, Falling Into Infinity >The group carries the progressive rock torch much like its predecessors--with underwritten lyrics and overplayed music. >Reviewed by Bob Remstein >rating: 48
>Bob Dylan, Time Out of Mind >While it will be widely heralded as a masterwork, Dylan's latest doesn't match his best, though it is a fine, bluesy excursion. >Reviewed by Jeff Schwager >rating: 84
My roommate is playing the latter of the two above reviewed albums (which is why I have to be sneaky and repeatedly minimize this message). Let me tell you this. It deserves *far* less than 84. Apologies to any Dylan fans, but I find this music to be insulting mindless pap. As far as lyrical depth goes, allow me to subjectively say they are terrible, far worse than DT on a bad day. I guess it takes a reviewer or my roommate to appreciate songs that are made up of one chord. (No kidding).
Aw, good lord, now he's playing along!! I'll bet he's going to start singing any minute...you don't understand, this kid has the absolute worst voice in the history of voices (worse than Dylan even), and he thinks it's good, the worst part. Aaaah! It begins! And no, not the drumming on the guitar....!!! Will the pain never stop?!
Brian Henderson hender@wam.umd.edu
"...there's no escape...ever." -- Lawnmower Man
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:34:56 -0700 From: "James" <rycher@thegrid.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: G3 In Sacramento Message-ID: <01bccea9$7aea46a0$38683cd1@i574747.thegrid.net>
>Well, I just got back from a killer show at Sacramento. >Steve Vai and Joe Satriani. It was simply the best instrumental >guitar show I've been to. The audience was totally pumped. It gave you the impression that Shred music was extremly >popular or something. :) Steve appeared to have an incredible >time. The audience interupted him a couple times because >of standing ovations. I'm guessing there were around 5000 people. >Very intimate show.
Hey James....I was there too!! Where were you sitting!?! I was in the 7th row, and once again was amazed at Steve Vai live.... I saw G3 last time around at Concord. I got Steves autograph that time when he was at the sound board watching Joes set. He was a very down to earth guy and gladly signed my "Flexible" cd insert and said something and smiled, problem was it was so damn loud and I was so stunned that I have no idea what he said! I just hugged him around the waist and said "I love your music, thanks for doing it, I love you man" or something like that and he hugged me back! hahaha great moment for me, I will never forget it. One thing I've noticed is that while I was always a Satch fan, Steve is amazing me more and more these days..... he jammed in Sacto, jaws were dropping all through his set! And by the way, if anyone knows the two girls (i think they were sisters, maybe they are on the jam???!) next to me and my friend (one of them got steves pick) Tell them I'm in love!! See you in Concord
(listening to FII, theres the DT content) hehe
peace
James
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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 16:24:36 -0400 From: "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT NEWS-Millenium Project Message-ID: <3432B183.17595EE3@caribe.net>
Guillermo Hernandez wrote:
> me avisas > >
mano tengo un date seguro de dt ya en el House Of Blues mano!! ese sitio esta fino en chicago.. nov 1.. pero chicago me imaigno q es carisimo el ticket
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In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:31:06 -0400 From: Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM> To: "'Fellow Rabidly Zealous Fans....'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Myung with a pick (again) Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=Commonwealth_Equ%l=MAIL_SERVER-971001203106Z-5052@mail_server.comequity.com>
Seth Hatlelid wrote,
>as to the question of whether or not Myung is using a pick at the begining >of Burning My Soul, I thought the same thing at first. I have never seen >Myung use a pick and as a jazz-taught musician, he would probably hold the >pick in disdain (as do I as a matter of personal opion, plectrums limit >your playing too much).
I totally agree with you there. I can't stand picks, and I think the only time I ever used one was when I wanted to do that Joe Jackson song Anthrax covered (because their bassist was using a stainless steel pick on the tape). Other than that, I don't think I've ever used a pick on a bass guitar.
> I messed around with my rig for a while (Vantage >six string run through a couple of Eden cabs) and I think that he just >dropped the bass, cranked the mids and trebs and hit the strings with a >stacato attack. Sounds pretty close to me anyway.
Close, yeah. Could be either one, to be honest, but I have a feeling that he might have used one just to be a little different on this album. Hey, if he did; more power to him, and if not, then I want to know the EQ settings on his rig so I can copy them. Anyone know those?
BTW, what do you think of the Edens? I have a 1x15 and a 2x10 (dbl. ported) and I won't use anything else. :)
-Nicholas
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:50:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: David Whitaker <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Seven Wonders and my upcoming bootleg project =) Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.971001164947.5809D-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
, nHey, Ryan. Put my resergvatrion down for Spinning years now.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality Deviant of Reality All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars. Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:59:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: EOJ footnote.... Message-ID: <199710012059.QAA20569@acmez.gatech.edu>
I think a little info footnote at the end of each digest would be a great idea, and as far as working in ack mode....is that really that much of a concern? After all, chances are that if you took the trouble to figure out how to get into ack mode in the first place, you'd also know how to unsubscribe, and if not, then at least how to get back into digest mode and get the info that way.
Eric
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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 16:57:02 -0400 From: "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT NEWS-Millenium Project Message-ID: <3432B91E.19AEBEAB@caribe.net>
> mano tengo un date seguro de dt ya en el House Of Blues mano!! ese sitio > esta fino > en chicago.. nov 1.. pero chicago me imaigno q es carisimo el ticket
ermmmmmmm..sorry about that.. i thought i was repliying to a friend of mine.. commenting on how were planning to fly from here (puerto rico) to someplace in the US to see dt this time around... and were trying to figure which place would be cheapest..since were students and all that... :)
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:00:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: An in-depth listen to FII reveals ... Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.971001165458.5809F-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I listened to FII on headphones all the way through last night, keeping in mind what I have been reading here. Let me tell you what I think. NM sounds wonderful to me, I love the song, in all its glory. The thing that struck me was how nonmetal DT sounds here. They almost sound mainstream in production, but the song itself kicks more ass than I know any mainstreamish song to kick. YNM Is this DT? This song is really straightforward and sounds like it could get airplay. I like it, there really isn't a song I don't like, but this is definitely not the DT I know. PS Well, well, well. I love this one, too. Nuff said. HY Is this the doctored song? sounds like it. I like it, but can't help but think that Desmond child should stay out of a prog rock band's music. This song stinks of being doctored by some recording company hitmaker and for DT it just bothers me, although i love the song and melodies and everything, it just doesn't fit DT. The we hit BMS, HK, and LITS and I don't need to say shit, these are DT. TAMP is great as well, and very emotional. Don't play this song after the death of a loved one of if your relationship ends with a GF/BF. It will make you cry. JLMB Again, nuff said. DT again is back. AL What's this? I like it a lot, but again, it just doesn't seem like DT. a winter rose leftover? I don't know. TOT is awesome and that's all. So, YNM, HY, and AL seem like they're completely different and almost seem like recording company songs to try to generate record sales. I like these songs, but they don't fit on the album as compared with the rest. By the way, what happened to raise the Knife? Wasn't it supposed to be on the album? Maybe the FII leftovers will be on met PT2 or on singles from FII. Who knows?
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality Deviant of Reality All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars. Neil Peart of Rush
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