YTSEJAM Digest 3049
Today's Topics:
1) Crack A Fuckin' Smile!!!!
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
2) ToT
by Loren Caler <lcaler@flash.net>
3) some infinite thoughts
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
4) Re: Wall o' Shit
by cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
5) Re: Ytsecon
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
6) You Not Me....voices at the end
by sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
7) Hell's Kitchen
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
8) Re: Metroplis Pt. 2
by YtseJim <lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu>
9) Going out of business sale
by Pat Griffin <shadow@devnull.cc.missouri.edu>
10) my dog peed on the wall
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
11) Wall Of Wank...
by djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3048
by "Brian Reeves" <ytsejammer@writeme.com>
13) Gigs in Eastern Europe
by Lajos Kosa <lajos_x_kosa@amoco.com>
14) Anna Lee, ToT
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
15) JP's guitar sound
by Olivier Grisvard <Olivier.Grisvard@loria.fr>
16) interpretation of Trial of Tears
by the great wazoo <jerry@muc.de>
17) Ages of Jammers / RUSH / Seven Wonders / Winamp / FII
by Dan Senko <dwsenko@us.ibm.com>
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:14:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Crack A Fuckin' Smile!!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971001010958.135218A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> -----------------------------------
> Today I hired me a yes man
> He simply agrees with everything I say
> He does all my dirty deals and feeds me my bills
> As long as I'm still brethin' he gets paid
> Hey, Mr. Smiley
> Read the writing on the wall
> Wake up, Mr. Smiley
> Before you don't wake up at all
> > "Mr. Smiley"
> -Poison -Crack a Smile
>
WOW!!!!!!!!! I've never seen anyone on the jam end their messages w/a
Poison quote! And especially never from Crack A Smile! Dude, you fuckin'
rock.
Richie
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:17:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: Loren Caler <lcaler@flash.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ToT
Message-ID: <199710010517.AAA25013@endeavor.flash.net>
Just wanted to say some stuff on my mind.
Everyone that's talking about the album seems to be talking about LitS, BMS,
PS and NM. Am I the ONLY one here who thinks that ToT is the best song on
FII? I really think that this song far surpasses ANYTHING on the enitre
album. I always get that warm squishy feeling when I hear JLB sing, "It's
raining, it's raining, on the streets of New York City". And the lyrics
rock too!
Well that's what I was thinkin....
:)
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:16:52 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: some infinite thoughts
Message-ID: <19970930191601.AAA16360@sni.pananet.com>
So on that awesome song known as Trial of Tears, both JP and DS play really
long solos. Now I haven't payed that much attention to the harmonic
movement on Derek's, but durin John's solo, the chords are constantly
changing (mostly modulating upwards) while JP solos over them...very much
in a jazz/fusion way. Now, what I'm wondering is, is that solo improvised?
It does have a very loose 'jammin' type feel to it, and that's be
incredibely cool if it is improvised. I guess we won't know till he plays
it live, or mentions it in an interview.
BTW, that wouold be cool because it would mean that, once again, DT has
moved along with my musical tastes...check this out:
I started out listening to Maiden and Metallica, and my fave bands were
usually metal/hard-rock bands that had interesting middle sections, and
many songs were over the standard 5 min. Then I&W came out...if was exactly
what I needed, both as a musician and listeners. Petrucci inspired me to
practice guitar like i never had before (I had already heard my fair share
of 'shredders').
Then after a while, my tastes changed ever so slightly. I actually liked
'grunge' when it first came out, before it became the trend of the day. I
into Nirvan and Pearl Jam and all, but i still loved DT the most and
couldn't wait for the next album. I was also getting into more
hard-hitting, straight-to the-point music, so I was worried that another
I&W-ish CD might not do it for me. Alas Awake came along, and the drum
intro on 6:00 was enough to tell me that DT had 'grown' with me.
Then, I really got caught up in progressive music. This was basically my "I
wanna be DT" phase. I was constantly writing the most complex music i
could, and was always interested in anything labeled 'prog'. Needless to
say, ACOS came out, and i was a happy man.
Since then, I've been taking formal music lessons, and have learned a great
deal of harmony. Now I'm more interested in harmonic complexity. I like a
lot of chord changes that kepp changing the mood and keeps the music
'alive'. I've also been paying more attention to softer and mor subtle
music. (I have to thank "Brave' for that). I still like my heavy stuff, but
i always balance it out with other music.
AND, I've also been more interested in improv after getting into bands like
Phish and King Crimson..as well as jazz.
And then FII came out....
YES!!! I fucking love DT man. It's too much.
Aside from the ToT solo, anybody notice the wicked chords JP plays on LITS
between 9:50 and 10:15. And HY, yes a very pretty ballad, but have you
noticed the amount of chord changes going on in that song? very cool...
Man, here's for the next CD :)
Ernesto
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:21:06 -0500
From: cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Wall o' Shit
Message-ID: <19971001051620398.AAA212@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
Eckie:
>Sure, that review was LOADED with ignorance and nimb-witted accusations,
>
>but why don't you check out thier reviews on the Spice Girls' album or
>Oasis' new one?
>
>That's alright, I'm okay, it happens to me everyday. :)
>
>~Eckie writes his own review, 'n sees what THEY think.....
AGREED! I hope my post really pisses off the critic that wrote that review.
Lyrics too deep for them? I suppose they need something more simple
minded...
Wall of Sound is just that and not much more.
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:37:53 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Ytsecon
Message-ID: <199710010536.AAA15148@Walden.MO.NET>
> I remember way back when...What about a YTseCon in VEGAS?
>
> The advantage to that is there is always a good deal to get
> to VEGAS! Plus rooms are (sometimes) cheaper.
>
> VEGAS VEGAS VEGAS VEGAS --------------------------------
I remember talk going on about a con in the midwest (St. Louis,
Chicago, maybe), too.
Dale R> Newberry
"People will watch anything, as long as it's dumb."
-Beavis
"There's a fine line between stupid and clever."
-David St. Hubbins
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:34:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You Not Me....voices at the end
Message-ID: <199710010534.BAA17230@polaris.sju>
Has anyone noticed that there are voices at the end of You Not Me (somewhere
around the 4:30 minute mark I believe, continuing throughout the remainder
of the song.)? I asked this before, but nobody has answered. Does anyone
know what they are saying, and where the samples were taken from? If you
don't here it, try using headphones....that's when I first noticed it.
One more thing....after hearing Doug Pinnick, does anyone have Kings X last
album....Ear Candy?? It's the only one I don't own. How is it?? Thanks!
Stephen La Monica
PS- Merlo....no problem! :)
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:54:44 -3100 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hell's Kitchen
Message-ID: <199710010554.WAA06649@goodnet.com>
Hell's Kitchen is a neighborhood in Manhattan, so alas, I think DT thought
of it independent of its appearance on my fave TV show, The Simpsons. :)
-Mikey
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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 01:56:43 -0400
From: YtseJim <lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Metroplis Pt. 2
Message-ID: <3431E61B.88CE222B@uhavax.hartford.edu>
> OK, does anybody have an idea of whern Metropolis Pt. 2 will be
> released? I'll I've seen so far is, "soon." ANybody have an
> approximate date?
Hey Dumbass..Read the F....oh, it's not in there :)
Ok...as usual...no one is paying attention...So i'll repeat myself.
]From what i heard through the grapevine from the record company is that
Metropolis II was set to be released in Early '98 BUT is now DELAYED
until Middle of '98.
YtseJim
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:44:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <shadow@devnull.cc.missouri.edu>
To: Ryanne Andrade <andrade6@netcom.ca>, Mike Berks <ApplePwr@aol.com>,
Subject: Going out of business sale
Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.971001003915.6441C-100000@devnull.cc.missouri.edu>
Just wanted to let you all know that Mizzou has finally figured out that
I'm not sending them money anymore (for those that don't already know, I
transfered to UMSL), and effective this week they are cancelling my
c675311@showme.missouri.edu account.
I should have this account for a while, so you can reach me at
shadow@devnull.cc.missouri.edu for now.
--Pat Griffin
--shadow@devnull.cc.missouri.edu
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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 02:56:20 -0400
From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: my dog peed on the wall
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971001025620.007cfc60@192.168.255.1>
God... Bob Rung.... whatever the hell the reviewer's name was can't tell
his face from his ass... of all his reviews, DT was the lowest by far...
yet on some, he seemed to bust on more than on DT's review... how typical
of the MTV brainwashed idiots... anyway, back to intelligent conversation
>My point is that this cd should be listened to and reviewed based on its
>own merits, and not in relation to anything else, including previous DT
>music. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you listen to
>FII with an "Images and Words frame of mind" or an "Awake frame of
>mind". This is true for listening to any cd by any band as well.
I agreed with you totally up until that last sentence... recently, I can't
seem to tell one album from another in certain eMpTyV realms. There
are just too many to mention
>lets end off some or all of our posts for a while with (example)
>
>***For more information on basic DT info, refer to the FAQ******
I don't know... this just looks too rigid and structured for a list such as
this.... Maybe instead, Skadz can do something like that as a
header/trailer for each digest. Also, since most people ignore .sig's, it
seems having stuff like that in a .sig to an email isn't very effective.
(as we have seen with the number of times D-man has had to tell people
about his .sig) when you have to refer someone to a part of your previous
emails (all the time), it loses its effect
>Plus, we now have you're wonderful remarks! WOOHOO! I love the Ytsejam.
>Hey, come on someone spell something wrong so I can jump on 'em!
ok... "you're" should be "your" in the above line :) I know.. I know...
i'm a bastard :)
>From: "Reiner Teichmann" <rkteichm@rapidnet.com>
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>Please take my name of your E-Mail =
>list. Thank you</p>
arrrggghhhh.... you know, I just skipped by these until the big ruckus was
brought on about how much it happens... and now every time I see one, I
notice it and get pissed off... damn. And in MIME no less... *sigh*
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Jason Brindel
Computer Engineering '97
Virginia Tech
beamup@vt.edu
http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/beamup
(540)961-7262
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 08:29:35 -0800
From: djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Wall Of Wank...
Message-ID: <9710018756.AA875691497@smtpgate.walker.com>
Hi,
I just read matey's review of FII - he didn't like it much did he!
I thought - Oh well, everyone's entitled to their own opinion (God
knows we express ours on the Jam everyday). Then I read his review of
"The Sundays" new CD. He thought they were the Dogs Bollox! - their
shit don't smell according to him. Well it just so happens that I saw
their latest video on MTV the other day. And I must say, you'd be
hard pushed to find a more talentless, boring and shallow piece of
twat anywhere else on the globe. So there you have it - If it has
more than four chords - he won't like it!
Dave (a UK Jammer).
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:32:44 +0000
From: "Brian Reeves" <ytsejammer@writeme.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3048
Message-ID: <199710010735.DAA00488@stimpy.globecomm.net>
> Do we have anyone on here born before 1965? Just curious if I was the only
> older DT fan on the jam.
>
Hell No you are NOT the only old DT fan!!
Matter of fact, I bet there are a couple more of us....
I have a feelin I just might be the Grandfather on
this list though. I'll be 38 years old come December.
What did you listen to when you were growin up?
Just curious.
'nuff said
Ytsejammer
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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 10:07:06 -0700
From: Lajos Kosa <lajos_x_kosa@amoco.com>
To: Dream Theater mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Gigs in Eastern Europe
Message-ID: <199710010806.AA11430@interlock.amoco.com>
Hi Guys!
Does anyone have information if DT plays in Eastern Europe? We have been
waiting for the band since they releases Images and Words, but there is
noone who would the the "risk" of organising a show here?! Someone
should tell the guys that they must go here...:)
Cheers,
L.
PS. F@ck, I did not have time to buy FII! But it's surely here in
Hungary at this time. As I see from the e-mails, it is a great one.
-- Windows is cool. It freezes all the time.phone: mobile: +36/30/578925 office: +36/96/502130 fax: office: +36/96/430183 private: mailto:kosal@syneco.hu office: mailto:lajos_x_kosa@amoco.com
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 02:58:26 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Anna Lee, ToT Message-ID: <19970930220523.AAA18733@sni.pananet.com>
> this.... Maybe instead, Skadz can do something like that as a > header/trailer for each digest.
this is a very good idea. Most other lists I'm on have some basic info a the end of each digest, like the faq, how to unsubscribe, etc... Now of course, I dunno how you'd do that on ack mode
>On a different note, I was listening to Anna Lee the other day (which is an >awesome song IMO). You can hear someone breathing at the beginning of the >song and other strange noises (as someone has already brought up on the >Jam). At the end of the song, it sounds like someone is typing on a >typewriter. I started thinking that maybe this was a guy lamenting over
Well, when i heard that noise, i thought it was Mike tapping on something, and that was mistakenly left there..but you're right, it does sound like a typewriter. I agree with you on the mood setting. At the beginning, it sounds like somebody settling down, kinda making himself comfortable and getting his thoughts together. Then at the end he starts typing, and then there's one last big sigh, which opens up into the ToT intro. hmmmm, interesting.
And speaking of the ToT intro. It does not sound like Xanadu. I used to think so at first, too, but take away the Peart-ish percussion, and the similarity is gone.
However, once when i was listening to it, at the very beginning i felt like yelling "Fraaaaancis!"
for those of you who didn't get that, go listen to your Pornograffitti CD:) Ernesto
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:27:34 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Grisvard <Olivier.Grisvard@loria.fr> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: JP's guitar sound Message-ID: <199710010927.LAA14375@pierne.loria.fr>
Hi all,
I'm new to this list so forgive me if this question has already been discussed.
Is the sound used by JP on the chorus to Burning My Soul and Deep In Heaven a midi-guitar thing or just a special guitar effect ?
Cheers, Olivier.
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:24:12 +0200 From: the great wazoo <jerry@muc.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: interpretation of Trial of Tears Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971001132412.0069e568@mail.muc.de>
Let me say first that I had my problems with this song. I didn't like it at first: no really heavy part in there and the rather cheesy chorus "it's raining, raining..."
Yesterday I had FII on before I went to sleep and suddenly the beginning of Trial of Tears reminded me of something: The feeling and mood of BLADERUNNER, one of the best movies ever made. So I checked the lyrics with what I remember from the film and it seemed to make sense: "the stranger waits inside" - Harrison Fords character who isn't sure whether he's a replicant himself... "I may have wasted all those years.." - his whole life being made up by some factory, virtual memories if you will. And the "it's raining, raining" chorus fits as well, since it raining during the major part of the movie. The sound at 10:30 plus "welcome to the wasteland" - I'm not sure about this part... maybe this particular sound is even sample from Bladerunner!? I don't know if the city in Bladerunner is actually New York, have to check tonight - good reason to watch Bladerunner again :) Still the main argument is the mood of the movie that seems to fit the song perfectly... any opinions?
and a non-DT topic: if there's a _true hacker_ on the list please get in touch with me, I have a problem where I need serious help from an insider. Since friday is a national holiday in Germany (celebrating the unification with the DDR and for me that's no reason to celebrate) I'll be traditionally leaving the country for a few days... So mails/responses will be delayed until monday 6th.
read you - jerry :--)
--------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Schaefer jerry@muc.de ...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool ---------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:24:27 -0400 From: Dan Senko <dwsenko@us.ibm.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ages of Jammers / RUSH / Seven Wonders / Winamp / FII Message-ID: <5040200005783052000002L022*@MHS>
> Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@ontheair.com> wrote:
> Do we have anyone on here born before 1965? Just curious if I was the only > older DT fan on the jam.
I got you beat Tom at 1960. I've only been on the jam for a few hundred digests but have gotten some good leads from it ... especially Fates/APSoG.
I am a Rush fan from way back when. Regarding the best Rush album, I first saw them around 1976 as the middle act between Mott the Hoople and KISS. Geez, memory lane there. I lost interest after Power Windows. IMHO, they seemed to lose some of their edge and the last 3-4 discs, while there was always a cool tune or two, they didn't have end-to-end music that excited me like Permanent Waves, Signals or Hemispheres. So, I am partial to the older stuff prior to PW. I'd agree that Chronicles is a great start for a whole range of RUSH tunes.
I told Ryan Whittaker I would be a customer reference once I received my lucky disc #27 of Seven Wonders. Not having any of Mike Bahr's originals or CDRs, this was a great way to catch up. It made painting my hallways (God, I hate painting but wallpaper even more!) much more enjoyable. And throwing in Mind Control was a great bonus. This was the boot I wanted the most to get the Awake tour! Ryan, any follow-on plans? Your web page is whetting our appetite.
BTW: Winamp started real slow and choppy on my P75 with MWave card. Surprisingly, it seemed to get better after a few minutes though I did nothing other than create a playlist. It still didn't get to consistent/constant playback without interrupts until I clicked on the title bar and minimized the graphics. Obviously, this was taking too much CPU. I was surprised this was not listed on the Tips/Bugs page. At this point, basically, I keep the graphics minimized always and simply use the pulldown to create/open playlists etc. ... and pipe it through the attached stereo! Since the MWave is a combined soundcard/modem, if I am connected to my ISP and doing lots of work (Netscape, telnet etc.), I can expect interrupts in the playback. Oh well.
Oh, how could I do my first post to the jam and not comment on FII? First, I liked Awake better than I&W. While FII does not seem to be as progressive as previous discs, it's harder edge is still outstanding. I agree with many others that each play brings another nuance to the listeners ear (if you're listening for 'em). DT is like RUSH to me in the 70-80s ... at first listen, you can't quite get a feel for whether you like the disc. A few tunes/riffs jump out but most requires multiple listens. Then you play it over and over, pick up the rhythms/riffs/jams etc and it just keeps growing on you. The best part is that you don't get sick of 'em quick since there is so much to pick out in the complexities of the tunes. I have enormous respect for this band and I really like FII.
So we end with the rhetorical question of the day - how close to where I live (Raleigh) will they play on the tour? I'm prepared to go to Charlotte if I have to but hope for something closer. Hey, other jammers in the Triangle? e-mail me.
Dan Senko Jammin' in Raleigh, NC dwsenko@us.ibm.com
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