YTSEJAM Digest 3060
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3054
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
2) Re: ToT (And dissapointing endings to songs)
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
3) East West promotion
by jemmons@neo.lrun.com (John Emmons)
4) Geddy's nail/Myung in the mix
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
5) Merry Axemas?
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
6) Re: What converted me....
by "Michael G. Jones" <mgjones@Mcs.Net>
7) Best of Dream Theater...
by Nicolas Drouin <dron01@UQAH.UQuebec.CA>
8) Re: RUSH Reply to Pedro Ordonez
by fsrmusic@juno.com (Rory K Helmick)
9) Re: Best of Dream Theater...
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
10) Memories, YNM, Maril Trib, DT win '95 Theme
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
11) TOUR NEWS!!
by david plotkin <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu>
12) Re: Best of Dream Theater...
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
13) Bleeding Me/ To the guy who had the car accident
by Wes Foll <wfoll@america.net>
14) All Rise.....
by Wes Foll <wfoll@america.net>
15) Diverse influences
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
16) Anna Lee, lyrics
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 15:46:38 -0500 (EST)
From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3054
Message-ID: <01IOC4I5RM4Y00LKE9@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
You know, I'm getting reeeeally pissed off at having 6 jams a day because of
all these megalong footers. Can't we try to keep them to like 3 or 4 lines,
tops? Also, let's try to cut down on this:
>>>>>>blah blah blah....*snip*
>>>>>blah blah blah...*snip*
>>>>blah blah blah...*snip*
>>>blah blah blah...*snip*
>>blah blah blah...*snip*
>blah blah blah...*snip*
"I agree!"
God, that annoys me. Although it is better on this list then some. Also, is itpossible to cut out all the extranious info that's in everyone's header? I
have no idea whether it can be done, I'm just wondering... I mean, who really
needs to know all those ID numbers and everything.
And yup, Sleepers took place in Hell's Kitchen...except for the fun parts that
took place in upstate NY.
Josh
rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 97 12:50:51 -0700
From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: ToT (And dissapointing endings to songs)
Message-ID: <199710021950.MAA01287@network-services.uoregon.edu>
>A thought on Trial of Tears. This is a great song, but there's one thing I
>don't like. Towards the end, they build up to that great part with James
singing
>"It's raining deep in Heaven" over and over and everyone playing like
hell...and
>then they back off and end it slowly. This same thing has bothered me about
Iron
>Maiden's "Afraid to Shoot Strangers" for years. I think as good as the
>song is, it would have much more of an impact if it ended full throttle.
>
>Just my opinion.
>
>-Brian
I actually haven't had much time to listen to ToT (or much of the new DT
album in general), but I definitely can relate to the problem of
uncharacteristic endings of songs. One great example of this (and perhaps
other prog-minded jammers can attest to this) is the ending of the Yes
song "Awaken." After coming to an amazing climax, complete with
thundering pipe organ, crashing cymbals, and Steve Howe's guitar soaring
into the stratosphere...the song falls back down and repeats the first
verse. Although it ends tastefully, moving from minor into major, and
contains an interesting sense of completeness...I believe ending the song
with the climax would have been much more effective. Any thoughts?
Andrew Embler
Andrew Embler - aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu
"I may not look like it...but I got fire" -- Phil Collins
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:23:53 +0100
From: jemmons@neo.lrun.com (John Emmons)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: East West promotion
Message-ID: <v01540b00b0596aa9a9fe@[204.210.205.63]>
Ytsejammers!
I know a few people had been talking about promos for the FII
album. I have been playing my copy of FII on the radio, but today I read in
one of college music magazines a review for DT-FII claiming that BMS was
the single (with it's "obvious catchiness" the article said) and that also
another favorite might be the "Floydian Peruvian skies". It also contained
the email address for one of the agents, so I was suggested by my
stationmaster to write and and get some promos and such so that everyone
can play some Dream Theater. I know there are probably alot of other
student DJs out there who may like to get their station some Dream Theater
stuff to play, so if you are interested, I can give you his email address.
I haven't gotten anything from him yet, so I don't know what he'll send,
but hey, to promote DT, it's worth it!
Thanks for your time,
Maria
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
there's gotta be someone we can Trust
out here amoung us..
~Wallflowers
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:17:00 -0400
From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Geddy's nail/Myung in the mix
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=BDD%l=BDD/MSMAIL/001FE984@nt_mail.bdd.com>
>Supposedly, many years back, Geddy's finger was slammed in a door. His
>nail fell off or something (pardon my poor story-telling skills -- I'm
>supposed to be at a Calc lecture in mere minutes), but when it grew back,
>it was slightly deformed and thicker than normal. He decided to let it
>grow a little long and use it for a pick. That's part of the reason he has
>that nice, clean tone.
Better be careful telling this story--lots of bassists are gonna be
slamming their fingers in doors tonight. = )
>Myung's shining moment. He truly shines on this album. I have never heard
>such driving bass lines in my life. Equally impressive is his work with the
>Chapman stick. If anyone has any other opinions, post em.
Interesting thought here. I was immediately drawn to FII, and being a
bassist, one of the huge attractions was Myung's prominence in the mix.
Somebody a little back posted about how Prater knew how to keep the bass
in its place, and I was pretty horrified at that one. Point is, with
the bass moving up in the mix, and the low end playing a more prominent
role in the music with each album, maybe that's why some guitarists I
know are pining for the I&W days....
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:26:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Merry Axemas?
Message-ID: <199710022026.QAA10001@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Does anyone know the release date for Merry Axemas? I heard
that is was this past Tuesday but I haven't seen it anywhere
yet.
Thanks!
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:49:19 -0500 From: "Michael G. Jones" <mgjones@Mcs.Net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: What converted me.... Message-ID: <19971002154919.24094@Jupiter.mcs.net>
On Wed, Oct 01, 1997 at 10:22:53PM -0700, Graham Boyle wrote: > > I was converted back in 89 after reading an article and review of WDADU > written by the legendary (the guy who later signed DT to Atco) Derek Oliver > in the once great Kerrang magazine. > The CD just blew me away, still my fave DT album even after all these > years. > You know what ? > When I first got I & W I hated it and kept thinking wtf is with this new > singer ! > > ah memories :)
I was also an '89 convert. However, mine was pretty close to pure luck. I was in the record store (I used to do this a lot) looking for something new to listen to. Ran across the Dream Theater album, thought I'd take a chance and picked it up. Probably the best "blind" purchase I ever made!
I don't do it too much anymore because it's too hard to tell the bands apart from the album cover and record company any more. I did it once recently and ended up with a dance industrial type of album...which will be going quickly back to a used record store (my first sell back ever).
-- Mike Jones, mgjones@mcs.net _____________ Web Design: mike@biggorilla.com Progressive Genius( http://www.progmetal.org/ring )Progressive Metal Ring
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:55:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Drouin <dron01@UQAH.UQuebec.CA> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Best of Dream Theater... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971002165029.17729A-100000@saturne>
My pals and I are thinking of making a best of DT on 2 cds setlist for now would be: A fortune in lies, ytse jam, only a matter of time under a glass moon, take the time, metropolis 1, learning to live 6:00, caught in a web, lifting shadows, scarred, erotomania a change seasons(snippets) new millennium,hells kitchen,trial of tears,lines in the sand..
Thats it for now, still have room for 2 more, or will wait for their next masterpiece: Metropolis part 2
Just thought i could share this with you...
Nick
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 16:53:34 EDT From: fsrmusic@juno.com (Rory K Helmick) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: RUSH Reply to Pedro Ordonez Message-ID: <19971002.155454.6655.2.fsrmusic@juno.com>
>From: Jonathan Lenaway <jlenaway@umich.edu>
>If you're looking for a good stating point to start collecting RUSH, I'd >recommend picking up the Chronicles 2 CD set (one that I found used for >a mere $16.99). Also, since you mentioned you're a metalhead, I'd >recommend the album "Counterparts" there are a rew more crunchy riff >oriented songs on that CD.
Also The newest "Test for Echo" rocks really hard. And I've got them all!
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:28:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Nicolas Drouin <dron01@UQAH.UQuebec.CA> Subject: Re: Best of Dream Theater... Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.971002172752.14774C-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Well, you forgot The Mirror/Lie. and Afterlife
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality Deviant of Reality All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars. Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:38:34 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Memories, YNM, Maril Trib, DT win '95 Theme Message-ID: <01BCCF8C.C1B0ECE0@ns.globalxs.nl>
Graham Boyle wrote :
> I was converted back in 89 after reading an article and review of > WDADU written by the legendary (the guy who later signed DT to Atco) > Derek Oliver in the once great Kerrang magazine. The CD just blew me > away, still my fave DT album even after all these years.
Cool, another veteran ;-) I got into DT back in '89, when a friend (huge Rush fan) mentioned this really great band & asked if I wanted him to make me a tape. He did, and the rest is history :-)
> You know what ? > When I first got I & W I hated it and kept thinking wtf is with > this new singer !
I loved LaBrie's voice right away, but I *did* noticed how much they had changed... That's why I can't stand those fuckers who claim that "FII" isn't Dream Theater. They haven't really changed a *bit* since IAW, ACOS and Awake. The songs on "FII" are a bit different from all the other songs they've written. Well, what the hell did you expect.
> ah memories :)
The first thing I did when I got on the 'Net, was join the Marillion mailinglist "Freaks". In the welcoming message were instructions on how to get a list of other mailinglists. That's how I found Ytsejam, the second mailinglist I subscribed to (24 August, 1995... memories, indeed). Many times I've regretted getting on here. But my love for Dream Theater's music, the occasional DTC and some intelligent posts every now and then (read: one a month) have kept me from unsubbing.
I've also mastered the art of pagedowning through endless crap about Dream Theater's most recent masterpiece :-) _____
Andrew Fors wrote about "You Not Me" :
> A lot of you seem to dislike this one quite a lot. I can't help > but wonder why.
A man's gotta bitch, right ? That seems to be the problem here. It's not that "You Not Me" is a bad song. It's just that it has potential of becoming a hit. On this list, "hit" is a dirty word.
> All the DT fans around here like the song quite a bit, as I do.
Personally, I think it's brilliant in it's own right.
> I think too many of you listened to the song thinking, "My God, it's > Desmond Child, this song isn't gonna be a prog song."
People read about Desmond Child's involvement, even before the Mpeg3 hit the 'Net... He has different priorities than Dream Theater seems to have, namely scoring hits. What the Desmond Child linch mob does NOT get, is the fact that Dream Theater agreed to work with him *or* maybe even personally asked him to work with them.
> Listen to it with an un-biased ear and see what you think.
Exactly.
> That's my two cents worth.
Unfortunately, other people's two cents usually aren't worth shit to most 'Jammers. "Falling Into Inflation", I guess. :-) _____
Juan Fco. Quintero wrote :
>> There is some talk about a Marillion tribute CD on the Freaks list >> right now... Someone is contacting bands, asking if they would be >> interested in contributing to it. Dream Theater and Spock's Beard >> have already been contacted about it ! (Sarah McLachlan too, btw). >> Next on this guy's list are Doug Pinnick and Queensryche :-) > > I think they should include Enchant!!. Just imagine DT and Enchant, > wow!! :)
Hey, that's not a bad idea at all :-) Enchant's drummer played on Steve Rothery's solo project "The Wishing Tree" last year. I'm sure contacting them about this project won't be much of a problem :-)
Does anyone have any other suggestions ?
The Marillion Tribute CD Webpage : http://www.itsilzha.demon.co.uk/tribute.htm _____
Eddie J Cooper wrote :
> Can someone please mail me with an offer of DT Themes for '95...
There's one on "Under A Cyber Moon" (programs and images section). If anyone has suggestions and/or comments for UACM, please mail me at itchy@dreamt.org :-) Btw, I'm also looking for the authors of a lot of stuff on that site (for instance, that win '95 theme, the doom level, the Windows DT helpfile, DT interactive presentation). I want to give everyone who contributed to UACM full credits. :-)
Mark ____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__ I feel shipwrecked, _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _ I might as well be shipwrecked [=][_===_]/==_][=\_/=][=]_[=] I'm helpless and alone, drifting out to sea | | [ ] ( (_ | _ | \ / (Genesis - Shipwrecked) [_/ [_/ \___][_/ \_] [__/ _________________________________________________________________________ Dream Theater online "Under A Cyber Moon" http://www.prognosis.com/dream/ Itchy's http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ H Website http://www.a-vip.com/H
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:03:20 -0500 From: david plotkin <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TOUR NEWS!! Message-ID: <v03110701b059ca8b5563@[144.92.96.95]>
Inasmuch as I thought that Chicago would be the first stop of the tour seeing as how it was the first date ticketbastard had up on their website, I was proven wrong. I'm not sure if this is the first date or not, but here's what they now show:
October 25th-- Toad's Place, CT (6:30 PM)
Tickets for the show at the House of Blues on November 1st go on sale this Saturday (10/4) at 10am, so get em while they're hot!!
Anyone aware of who's touring with them? (Fatez or Enchant, pretty please)
Best Regards...
Dave Plotkin
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 18:12:42 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Best of Dream Theater... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971002181242.010fda60@sol.eng.fore.com>
At 02:51 PM 10/2/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Well, you forgot The Mirror/Lie. and Afterlife >
Fuck Afterlife, you skipped Voices and The Killing Hand. Cut Caught in a Web.
KAI
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:54:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Wes Foll <wfoll@america.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bleeding Me/ To the guy who had the car accident Message-ID: <199710022254.SAA29901@web3.america.net>
>I am hearing the Metallica in Peruvian skies now..."Bleeding Me" in the >beginning and the harder part of "Hero of the Day" later on. Somehow, I like PS >much better than either of those songs.
Well, I've been lurking for quite some time now, for various reasons (geology program and girlfriend being cheif among them). But I had some free time tonight, and I just thought I'd like to say hi to everyone out there that I haven't chatted with in a while on #ytsejam. Anyways, this part caught my attention, because I've heard Bleeding Me compared with a couple of groups or songs. Anyways, I've always thought that song sounded a lot like some Paradise Lost songs. Has anyone else ever noticed this? I know a lot of people say that Paradise Lost sounded like Metallica, but I never did--only when Load came out, did I see any similarities between the two. Anyways, I'll have to listen to PS some more to hear the similarities to Bleeding Me.
On a side note, does anyone ever hear, when listening to Load, that a few songs sound like Metallica is *trying* to sound CoC-ish but not quite succeeding? Anyways, I guess I'll let that one go....
It took me a listen ot two of the first half of the album to get the groove of it, but now, I even love the simpler songs such as Hollow Years, and You Not Me. (btw, Anna Lee was written by LaBrie right? I suppose we should give him a break on his lyric writing abilities, he hasn't really ever written many.) And even if the album isn't quite as complex as I&W, Petrucci's heavy guitars more than make up for that to me, since I love most forms of metal--from death, goth, and such, to speed/thrash, to hardcore, to prog and even a *little* glam stuff that I grew up on in the 80's such as Poison, Skid Row, and Motley Crue. Anyways, that's just my ramblings, and I hope I didn't bore everyone to tears! seeeeeee ya,
P.S. To the guy (forgot your name buddy heh) who had the near fatal accident, I hope ya recover and get healthy soon!!! And thanks for making me think about how grateful I should be that I have life and stop worrying so much about things that don't matter....cheers! Beavis (Wes Foll) /| http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm / ||\ / || \ ______________ _ ______ _ __ __ //| || \\_____ _____| ||___ // |\ \/ / //_| || \ | || || | | || |/ ///|| \ / / __ || |\ \ | || || |__| || <//_|| / \ / / | || | \ \| || || __ || |\ \__ |/ /\ \ /_/ |_||_| \ || || | |_||_|/\ \ || / \_\ \ || ||/ \_\||/ \ ||/ \| "What is, is. What is not, is not. What is is, and is not, is is, and is not."
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:05:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Wes Foll <wfoll@america.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: All Rise..... Message-ID: <199710022305.TAA00444@web3.america.net>
>overblown mastrubatory guitar solos (almost standard in the prog rock >vocabulary), and each song knows _when_ to do what, almost as if it's >dictating the song itself. > > that's why FII is so good. > * * * * * * * >e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
Brother Syrinx has spoken, and left the building. 8-} Preach on Brother, and keep bringing us the good word. Amen.
Beavis (Wes Foll) /| http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm / ||\ / || \ ______________ _ ______ _ __ __ //| || \\_____ _____| ||___ // |\ \/ / //_| || \ | || || | | || |/ ///|| \ / / __ || |\ \ | || || |__| || <//_|| / \ / / | || | \ \| || || __ || |\ \__ |/ /\ \ /_/ |_||_| \ || || | |_||_|/\ \ || / \_\ \ || ||/ \_\||/ \ ||/ \| "What is, is. What is not, is not. What is is, and is not, is is, and is not."
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 19:02:23 -0400 From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Diverse influences Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971002190223.006a1e20@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Paul mentioned 96rock and 99X for the Atlanta-area 'jamanoids. What he forgot to mention, unfortunately, is that it's damn near impossible to get through on the request line for 96rock. *sigh* They also don't answer their email. :) No, I haven't been urging them to play Burning My Soul repeatedly, or anything. :)
Chip told us about this guy who left a list of his influences on the store wall: >Pantera, Van Halen, Greg Howe, Robert Plant, Bonham, Steve Vai, King >Diamond, John Tesh, Joe Satriani, Led Zeppelin, Gary Hoey, Paganini, >White Zombie, Sting, Extreme, Loudness, Green Jelly, Mavericks, Joey >Tafolla, Dave Matthews Band, Tony MacAlpine, Basai, Living Colour, K.C. >& Sunshine Band, Malmsteen, Jeff Beck, Luis Miguel, KISS, Leeway, DREAM >THEATER, Billy Joel, Dave Weckl, Kentucky Headhunters, Scatterbrain, >Fight, Patsy Cline, Yanni, Wynonna
..and this guy's a DRUMMER? Sheesh, seeing that list you'd think guitar or keyboards at the very least.
For those of you who were frightened by this, you'd probably be *really* creeped out if you saw all the stuff I listen to (yes, it's a shameless plug to get more hits for my website, but the list *really is* too long to list here). Find it at http://www.negia.net/~carter/tastes.html if you're curious. :)
Reflection of the day: Does anybody else think Andre Matos would sound much better if he wouldn't try to "slide" from note to note? I love "Angels Cry", but a few times I've cringed when Andre's clear voice morphed into a shriek when he tried some vocal acrobatics that shouldn't have been allowed by law.
Cheers, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals Currently playing: Wyzards -- "The Final Catastrophe"
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 97 18:21:47 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Anna Lee, lyrics Message-ID: <34342c8917f7941@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
> Well, I still have problems understanding what this word > ("cheesy") mean, since it seems to be a slang (and, of course, > dictionaries usually don't list slangs)
It means the same thing as sappy, if you know that word. LIke, he had a good idea, but the writing is cliched and tries too hard to make its point (it's still a good song though).
> but from what I understand from > context (I may be wrong), I can say that Anna Lee is not cheesy.
It's a matter of taste, I guess...
> Sure. Not only this, but Portnoy's lyrics are less poetic (the > language is much more current, with less uncommon words) than those by > Petrucci, while Petrucci seems to be using the narrative style, telling > you stories. Portnoy usually tells you his opinion, tells the situation.
Yep, and I like both approaches. Mike's lyrics definitely fit well with the harder music.
-Brian
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