YTSEJAM Digest 3059
Today's Topics:
1) DT on Billboard!!
by Jeff Stewart <stewaj01@condor.stcloudstate.edu>
2) Take Away My Pain
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
3) How I got hooked...
by James Utz <James_Utz@dell.com>
4) Crack a smile
by "John Hough" <jhough@mindspring.com>
5) Crack A Smile boot...
by Andrew Brodie <andrew@ames.net>
6) conversions
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
7) Re: Crack A Smile boot...
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
8) Bass tone
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
9) diverse influences
by Chip Alexander <stckarnd@usa.net>
10) Guitars and basses and drums....oh my
by sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
11) re: Yngwie Malmsteen's Insperation, re: Arash (Enchant)
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
12) FII on Billboard top 200
by Paul Humm <humm@levy.com>
13) re: I was converted ..., FII chart positions
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
14) Re: Bass tone
by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
15) Re: Guitars and basses and drums....oh my
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
16) Re: diverse influences
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:37:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jeff Stewart <stewaj01@condor.stcloudstate.edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT on Billboard!!
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.971002113518.13626A-100000@condor.stcloudstate.edu>
Howdy,
Just thought y'all might like to know that DT has debuted at #52 on
Billboard's Top 200. Cruise on over to www.billboard.com to see for
yourself. Anyone know how high Awake went? Go DT!!!
Jeff Stewart
remo@dreamt.org
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:04:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Take Away My Pain
Message-ID: <199710021704.NAA04433@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Mike Bahr spake:
> I implore you to listen to the
> entire guitar solo on Take Away My Pain. The best solo Petrucci's ever
> written, it is. Hear it for yourself...
I couldn't agree more. This one even bumped off the solo from "Voices" in
my book.
Steve Z
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Date: 2 Oct 97 12:05 CDT
From: James Utz <James_Utz@dell.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: How I got hooked...
Message-ID: <@m400gw.dell.com>
I also first heard DT with PMU on Z-Rock. I thought it was a good
song, but when I heard them play UaGM about three weeks later, I
was hooked.
Funny trend in my favorite DT songs is that they are usually written,
lyrically at least, by John Petrucci. Every time a song really gets
stuck in my head or catches my ear, I just open the liner notes and
there's his name. It's almost spooky :)
James
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:12:16 -0700
From: "John Hough" <jhough@mindspring.com>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Crack a smile
Message-ID: <199710021712.NAA05574@brickbat8.mindspring.com>
To the guys who were discussing this disc, I would have to agree that this
is Poison's best album ever.
Blues Saraceno is a fucking awesome guitarist. Only 300 made huh? Are they
numbered? I have the
disc and I wasn't aware that there was only 300 made. Rock on.
John Hough
jhough@mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~jhough
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 12:15:02 -0500
From: Andrew Brodie <andrew@ames.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Crack A Smile boot...
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971002121459.0070b5e8@brain.ames.net>
If anyone has or knows of a place where I could get a copy of one of those
Crack A Smile Promos, please drop me an e-mail at: andrew@ames.net. Can
work out trade or am willing to pay a fair price. Thanks!
--Andrew
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Current Cool Quote:
"feed my head, with some real thoughts,
and let me think instead of being taught,
i'll say things you won't believe,
just stand back, just let me breathe......"
"Just Let Me Breathe" --Dream Theater
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 13:44:26 -0400
From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: conversions
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971002134426.007cd500@mail.vt.edu>
I was converted to DT at an all-night Pascal programming party (group
project with one of my undergrad friends way back when)... needless to say,
little work, and much listening was done that night (he was so impressed
that I liked DT and picked up some of the keyboard parts immediately on his
keyboard, that he kept working on the program and let me indulge myself).
So technically I was converted by the whole IaW album... I believe my quote
after 45 or so minutes of the album was, "Holy crap!!! It just keeps
getting better! These guys are just too good." Although If I had to pick
one part that just grabbed me, it would have been the TTT/surrounded part.
I was immediately hooked... (and am now hooking him up with boots/mp3
disc's/etc. constantly.. since he's not on the jam).
Another cool thing... just converted one of my roomates (1 down 2 to
go).... he originally heard my IaW/awake one night when we were just
hanging out playing pool in the living room for hours... and said... "this
is pretty good, this is that DT band you're always talking about?".... so
anyway, he really liked UAGM from IaW and parts from awake.... Now
yesterday I'm playing the FII album at full blast in the den, and he comes
up to me and says, "who the hell is this??? they take all the best parts
about metallica and rush and twist it into something totally awesome!".
Well anyway, I told him it was DT and he is now borrowing all my albums
from day to day (good thing I have alot of boots and 2 copies of most of
the releases. Cool... his fav. band is still Metallica, but he told me
that DT was his new addition of the month, and it "was quickly working it's
way into the top 3"... cool.
Later,
Jason (who's rather happy that there's one more DT fan in the world)
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Jason Brindel
Computer Engineering '97
Virginia Tech
beamup@vt.edu
http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/beamup
(540)961-7262
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 13:50:53 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Crack A Smile boot...
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971002135053.010709d0@sol.eng.fore.com>
Here's the thing about the Poison Crack a Smile disc (not that it should be
discussed here). There weren't any promos ever made on CD.
None..zilch..zip. There were a handful of cassette promo copies issued,
with no cover. The CD that is floating around is a bootleg of the cassette
promo. This means that although the songs are studio quality, the sound on
the CD sounds a little dull, not like your typical crisp CD sound. These
bootlegs were marketed as "promos" that slipped through the cracks, but
Capitol has confirmed that no CDs were ever cut of this album. If you want
to get into the details about the features that are obvoiusly bootleg,
contact me directly. As far as I know, only 2 stored carried them in the
U.S., and they sold out fast. I don't know how many they sold in total,
but it couldn't have been more than a couple hundred. I bought 2 of them
at $20-25. Although I'm not ready to sell my extra copy yet, I will make
CDr replicas for $20.
Hopefully this answers any questions.
KAI
At 10:32 AM 10/2/97 Andrew wrote:
>
>If anyone has or knows of a place where I could get a copy of one of those
>Crack A Smile Promos, please drop me an e-mail at: andrew@ames.net. Can
>work out trade or am willing to pay a fair price. Thanks!
>
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 13:47:37 -0400
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bass tone
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971002134737.006b96c0@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>I totally agree with you there. I can't stand picks, and I think the
>only time I ever used one was when I wanted to do that Joe Jackson song
>Anthrax covered (because their bassist was using a stainless steel pick
>on the tape). Other than that, I don't think I've ever used a pick on a
>bass guitar.
Don't play the instrument myself. "Well", at least. I can do cheese-death
metal lines like a maniac though!
But I digress...
What I actually wanted to mention was a cool story I heard on the NMS, back
when I was on the NMS. It's a story about Geddy Lee, bassist
extraordinaire for Rush, for any non-Gedheads not 'in the know'.
Supposedly, many years back, Geddy's finger was slammed in a door. His
nail fell off or something (pardon my poor story-telling skills -- I'm
supposed to be at a Calc lecture in mere minutes), but when it grew back,
it was slightly deformed and thicker than normal. He decided to let it
grow a little long and use it for a pick. That's part of the reason he has
that nice, clean tone.
Can anybody verify this, or am I remembering things that didn't happen again?
Brian Henderson
hender@wam.umd.edu
"Nudist Beach Mayhem" -- roommate's computer
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 13:48:12 -0700
From: Chip Alexander <stckarnd@usa.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: diverse influences
Message-ID: <3434088C.25DD@usa.net>
So I work at a drum store, and the other day this guy comes in and puts
a little flyer on our corkboard advertising himself as an available
drummer. He lists his influences in this order:
Pantera, Van Halen, Greg Howe, Robert Plant, Bonham, Steve Vai, King
Diamond, John Tesh, Joe Satriani, Led Zeppelin, Gary Hoey, Paganini,
White Zombie, Sting, Extreme, Loudness, Green Jelly, Mavericks, Joey
Tafolla, Dave Matthews Band, Tony MacAlpine, Basai, Living Colour, K.C.
& Sunshine Band, Malmsteen, Jeff Beck, Luis Miguel, KISS, Leeway, DREAM
THEATER, Billy Joel, Dave Weckl, Kentucky Headhunters, Scatterbrain,
Fight, Patsy Cline, Yanni, Wynonna
I don't know about you, but I got kinda dizzy seeing some of those names
in the same list - especially DT next to Billy Joel.
Anyone who's interested, email me and I'll give you the guy's phone#.
j/k
Chip
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:38:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Guitars and basses and drums....oh my
Message-ID: <199710021838.OAA15847@polaris.sju>
I just want to see how people feel about this. I think that each album has
showcased the overall power of the band, but I feel that someone sticks out
on each album and truly shines....On WDADU, the entire band is in full force.
All of them are proving what they can do. Images and Words...that is without
a doubt the Moore album. His solos and melodies sold me on DT and I have been
a fan ever since. 6:00, this has to be a tie....Petrucci and Portnoy. The
two show such great chemistry...especially in Erotomania(THE guitar solo).
A Change of Seasons....we got a glimpse of what Sherinian can offer to the
band(he has definitly proven himself on FII)...but LaBrie never sounded better.
He is a truly amazing vocalist. Last, but certainly not least...FII is
Myung's shining moment. He truly shines on this album. I have never heard
such driving bass lines in my life. Equally impressive is his work with the
Chapman stick. If anyone has any other opinions, post em. I would love to
hear from you guys.
One last thing, does anyone feel this way about Portnoy on I and W? There is
something about the snare on that album that just doesn't sound right. When
I first listened to it, I thought "He is an ok drummer" When I picked up
WDADU, I was blown away. Then came Awake. Both of these albums in my opinion
had a much better drum recording. Hearing live performances of I and W really
shows how the drums should truly sound. Not that it is bad, but the recording
just doesn't give his amazing abilities justice.
OOPS- I just noticed that I wrote 6:00 on up where I was talking about Awake-
I must've been thinking of the drum intro as I was writing. My bad
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:28:11 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Yngwie Malmsteen's Insperation, re: Arash (Enchant)
Message-ID: <3434745B.79E9@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Shai Yallin wrote:
> I think it was on Arash's "Top 10 CDs" I saw that:
> "Yngwie Malmsteen - Insperation (2CD)"
>
> Now I'm confused, 'cos the "Insperation" I have is a single CD. Can
> anyone lighten my up?
Well, I have a limited edition (3000 itmes world wide) which is a 2CD set.
The 2nd CD contains an interview with Yngwie and some really cool demos.
These demos are from the pre-Rising Force time 1978-1982.
There is also the song Voodoo from Magnum Opus.
The tracklisting :
Yngwie Malmstten about Insperation
- Merlin's Castle 1980
- Soft Prelude In G Minor 1982
Yngwie Malmsteen about Maimi
- Hunted 1978 (as Powerhouse)
- Evil
Yngwie Malmsteen about Music Is Melody (W.A.MOZART)
- Voodoo
You can order this album 2CD from http://www.cdworld.com
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On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Stephen LaMonica wrote :
>This is for Arash, I am glad to see you included Enchant in your top 10, I
>own that cd and enjoy it a lot. Have you noticed the last song on the disc
>kind of sounds like DT's 6:00? It is a good song, but the bass is really
>similar to 6:00(not to mention the drum intro). If you like Enchant, you
>might want to check out Altura. They have a cd on Magna Carta entitled Mercy.
>It is a pretty decent prog cd. One of the better young bands.
>PS-Merlo.....*plunge*? Oooo that's gotta hurt. :( Ouch!
I really like Enchant. But Their "A BLUEPRINT OF THE WORLD" album is much
better then "Wounded" (IMO). The first time, I've heard Enchant, back in
Feb 96, I didn't like them. Especially the last song which is a total clone
of DT's 6:00.
Well, I have to thank DR.Mosh.
I saw his page and all those good things about Enchant.
After that, I saw them live as support band for DT (Fix 97).
A friend of mine, has sent me a tape with some good progressive songs.
Thanks to Erik and Barbara :-)
There were also "At Death's Door" and "Mae Dae" from Enchant.These songs are
really incredible. Since then, I'm a big Enchant fan.
Btw, have you heard "Time Lost". It's really good.
I know Altura. They are not bad but bands like SHADOW GALLERY, ROYAL HUNT, IQ
and even Enchant are much better (IMO). But I like Altura too. :-)
Arash
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 12:21:51 -0700
From: Paul Humm <humm@levy.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII on Billboard top 200
Message-ID: <3433F44F.4C56@levy.com>
I don't think anyone has posted this yet, but if they have, I
apologize for the repeated information. I checked Billboard's
web site to see how well Falling Into Infinity is selling. It
is listed at #52 on their top 200 album chart, in its first
week on the chart. (I assume that this chart is for U.S. sales
only.) If you want to check this out for yourself, the URL is
http://www.billboard-online.com/charts/bb200.html.
-Paul Humm
humm@levy.com
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:29:04 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: I was converted ..., FII chart positions
Message-ID: <34347490.A72@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
Well, I was converted by Under A Glass Moon.
Am I the only one ?
My all time DT favorites from each album :
1)A Change Of Seasons
2)Learning To Live
3)Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
4)Trail Of Tears
5)The Killing Hand
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Falling Into Infinty's chart position:
Finnland - Nummber 5
Norway - Nummber 11
Sweden - Nummber 14
USA - Nummber 52
Thanks to the Ystejamers.
I will try to find out more ...
Arash
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:32:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Bass tone
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971002142833.29870A-100000@remora.owlnet.rice.edu>
On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Lobsterback wrote:
> What I actually wanted to mention was a cool story I heard on the NMS, back
> when I was on the NMS. It's a story about Geddy Lee, bassist
> extraordinaire for Rush, for any non-Gedheads not 'in the know'.
> Supposedly, many years back, Geddy's finger was slammed in a door. His
> nail fell off or something (pardon my poor story-telling skills -- I'm
> supposed to be at a Calc lecture in mere minutes), but when it grew back,
> it was slightly deformed and thicker than normal. He decided to let it
> grow a little long and use it for a pick. That's part of the reason he has
> that nice, clean tone.
>
> Can anybody verify this, or am I remembering things that didn't happen again?
I've heard that story two or three different times. As far as I know,
it's true.
Mark McEuen
mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 15:39:40 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Guitars and basses and drums....oh my
Message-ID: <199710021939.PAA25518@ia.cs.wm.edu>
>
> I just want to see how people feel about this. I think that each album has
> showcased the overall power of the band, but I feel that someone sticks out
> on each album and truly shines....On WDADU, the entire band is in full force.
I would say that more than anything, WDADU is a Moore album. It might be
because my favorite track is OAMOT, with his lyrics and that keyboard stuff at
the end that makes me want to be a keyboardist. Or it might be that I heard
most of these songs for the first time on WDATU or LitS, and then finally
heard the keys stick out in the mix on the studio takes. I dunno.
> All of them are proving what they can do. Images and Words...that is without
> a doubt the Moore album. His solos and melodies sold me on DT and I have been
I'd have to say that I&W is Moore and JP together. I mean, what got everyone
(except me, apparently :) into DT? The opening guitar riff of PMU. (And the
keys kept your attention after the first 30 seconds.)
> a fan ever since. 6:00, this has to be a tie....Petrucci and Portnoy. The
Agreed.
> A Change of Seasons....we got a glimpse of what Sherinian can offer to the
> band(he has definitly proven himself on FII)...but LaBrie never sounded better.
I'd say that ACoS is more Mike than anything. I guess the thing I noticed
most about the album is the drums (and yes, I like the picc snare. I like the
snares on FII, too. Shoot me now. :)
> He is a truly amazing vocalist. Last, but certainly not least...FII is
> Myung's shining moment. He truly shines on this album. I have never heard
> such driving bass lines in my life. Equally impressive is his work with the
> Chapman stick. If anyone has any other opinions, post em. I would love to
> hear from you guys.
Absolutely. Kevin Shirley is the man. I hope DT works with him again
(assuming they're happy with the results of FII). Hell, *I'd* like to work
with him.
> One last thing, does anyone feel this way about Portnoy on I and W? There is
> something about the snare on that album that just doesn't sound right. When
It's that damned trigger. Fuck you Prater, if you're reading! :) (It's an
emotional day for D-Man and producers. Don't know why.)
> had a much better drum recording. Hearing live performances of I and W really
> shows how the drums should truly sound. Not that it is bad, but the recording
You know, I never even noticed it till Richie pointed out to me the little
snare fills in Metro I. On the album, every hit is the same, and Rich said he
didn't know how Mike did it. Then he heard a boot, with the dynamics in the
snare hits, and got it. Once I could hear that, I began to passionately hate
drum triggers. :)
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 15:42:34 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: diverse influences
Message-ID: <199710021942.PAA25539@ia.cs.wm.edu>
> Pantera, Van Halen, Greg Howe, Robert Plant, Bonham, Steve Vai, King
> Diamond, John Tesh, Joe Satriani, Led Zeppelin, Gary Hoey, Paganini,
[snip]
Drugs. Heavy heavy drugs. No other explanation. (And I apparently could get
a better crack dealer. Koba, you're fired.)
> I don't know about you, but I got kinda dizzy seeing some of those names
> in the same list - especially DT next to Billy Joel.
Actually, that I don't find strange at all. Maybe it's just cause DT, Billy
Joel, and I are all from LI, I dunno. But I sometimes find myself relating to
Billy as well or better as I do to DT.
Also, everytime I play Anna Lee in the car, my classmate Ben starts singing
"Scenes from an Italian Restaurant" ("Bottle of white, bottle of red..." :)
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