YTSEJAM Digest 3064
Today's Topics:
1) DT interviewed in Finnish TV
by Esa Virtanen <esavirt@cc.jyu.fi>
2) FII
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3051
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
4) FYI: Toad's Place
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
5) But I'll enjoy the ride today heh :)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
6) Faith No More - Crack a Smile
by NightCast <NightCast@usa.net>
7) time signatures for crackheads
by Thrak75@aol.com
8) Third Date on DT's Tour...
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
9) Re: Time and Motion
by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
10) Metallica and time sigs
by "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
11) Re: Toad's Place
by Sam Kim <phanx@erols.com>
12) "Blackened" like a fucking pancake
by "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3063
by Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu>
14) FII meets Freud.
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
15) Cynic members
by Nate41775@aol.com
16) japan
by Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu>
17) Re: Faith No More - Crack a Smile
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:42:48 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Esa Virtanen <esavirt@cc.jyu.fi>
To: Ytseland <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT interviewed in Finnish TV
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.971003181607.26685A-100000@kanto.cc.jyu.fi>
Yes, it's true: OFB was interviewed live on television here where the
reindeer roam. Well, actually the only band members present were MP and
DS, obviously surprised and delighted by their chart success over here (in
case you haven't hear: number 5 - beat that, any other country).
The interview in itself was pretty short and crappy, a couple of questions
about the new disc, and a couple of Finnish fans (of which neither one was
me for some cruel and unjust reason) got to ask something. The only really
new thing to know is that Hollow Years is the first single in Europe to
which they'll do the video in a couple of days. The guys also promised to
play here around February, so the European tour will
probably take place sometime then. Yes, after cancelling their last show
and being unable to attend the only one they've played here so far, they'd
better come here or I'm just going to have to kill everyone.
But the major shocker was Derek's look: with the sunglasses and
leather-with-a-gallon-of-hair-gel -look he looked *exactly* like Tommy
Lee. IMHO anyway.
What sucked is that the program didn't show a DT-video (probably didn't
have one), even though it was mentioned that they were supposed to play a
live recording from Brazil, but the tape hadn't arrived in time. From last
few gigs in Southern America, I'd guess..? Got to catch that when they do
air it. And the program did have a long Stratovarius-interview from Athens
where they recorded some tracks for their upcoming live disc.
Also worth mentioning (hardly) is that Metropolis pt.2 has been played
completely through once so far.
-+- Esa Virtanen <esavirt@cc.jyu.fi>, http://webclub.solutions.fi/~echo
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 15:48:51 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII
Message-ID: <343513E2.102F@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Matt:
> Interesting thought here. I was immediately drawn to FII, and being a
> bassist, one of the huge attractions was Myung's prominence in the mix.
The thing I'm noticing on FII is how well they play together (someone
mentioned something similar that about WDADU). I had heard several
samples of it before. First impressions were right where you might
expect them to be: A New Millenium :) What I hear on this song (and the
album) is just a great overall mix.
I also hear something that truly is the mark of a great band: the
ability to trade off being in the foreground and to control volume
themselves. The way they all come back together at the chorus (pick any
one instance of this, they all rule :) is so sweet. That layered sound
they deliver is so well constructed and Try listening to NM with these
things in mind and see what ya think.
I'm not gonna even address togetherness on LiTS yet. :)
I do agree with what everyone is saying about Myung in the mix and I
like it. As a guitarist (albeit a shitty one), though, I can't help but
notice how much Mike truly shines :) There is just no other drummer
out there right now that is impressing me with the variety and exact
placement of sounds that this guy is coming out with. They're so
appropriate to the mood of the song.
Try going back and listening to this album all the way through from an
MP-centric point of reference. The mood changes so much across the songs
and Mike is right there with it. He accents what any of the other 4 are
doing so well...
I'm not gonna even address MP on LiTS yet :)
Other than to leave you with a section to ponder. Check out from
8:32-9:20 especially what's he's doing with the bass kick! Listen
closely, then wipe the drool off the floor :)
Sorry guys, this is MP's album :) AGAIN :)
Oh, opinion you say? Bah! It is merely fact,. nothing else...
bwahahahahahahaha
Tune in next week, when I proove that FII is JP's album :)
Regards,
Jon
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| Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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"Let's not forget my legacy
All my heroes have failed me
Now they're dead and buried" -- Mike Portnoy
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 11:52:08 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3051
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971003115208.010d13c0@sol.eng.fore.com>
At 09:57 PM 10/2/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Hello all,
>
>I have to been meaning to ask if anyone would be interested in a tape
trade. I'm looking for a good copy of the fix for '96 show(s). I have
quite a few to offer in return. Somebody email me back if interested. Andy
Keegan (are you still around) I've dealt with you before....
>
>By the way - I'm in Australia and I don't trade in DATs..
>
>thanks in advance someone...
>
>P.S. Brian Cox need NOT apply.
>
>
Brian is a highly respected foundation of this list, who helped many of us
veterans get our collections going. This type of comment is unnecessary
and unprovoked. You'd be honored if Brian emailed you for a trade. But
now, you can rule that out, and you can rule my help out as well. Being a
dick doesn't score you any points.
KAI
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:53:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FYI: Toad's Place
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971003115157.7209A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
For those wondering about tickets to see DT at Toad's on the 25th...
They are SOLD OUT ALREADY!!!!
FUCK!!!!
Any of you lucky bastards out there get a ticket?
-jeremy
+=====================================================================+
# grad student, Boston U. # "You've seen our Moon, #
# Boston, MA 02134 # Now see our Johnson!" #
# Astronomy # -seen on T-shirts all over Vikingland #
#<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># referring to QBs W. Moon and B. Johnson #
#<*> jhallum@bu.edu <*># Bleeding Purple since the tender age of 6.#
#<*>jhallum@dreamt.org <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ #
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 16:03:06 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: But I'll enjoy the ride today heh :)
Message-ID: <3435173A.1B37@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
They should have included a 'cup' with this disc. It kicks entirely too
much!
Brian:
> Yep, and I like both approaches. Mike's lyrics definitely fit well
> with the harder music.
Well put!
Sometimes, I don't want to be taken to some deep, far away place. I want
to get slapped with a dose of reality.
JLMB, the answer to the progressive jammers' lifelong plight, is a great
example of Mike coming straight at ya :)
MTV? YOU'RE GOING DOWN!!!!! hehehehehe
Regards,
Jon
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| Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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"Drifting with the current
This stream of life flows on" -- John Myung
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:37:13 -0600
From: NightCast <NightCast@usa.net>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Faith No More - Crack a Smile
Message-ID: <01BCCFE2.524BF740@tron>
A (needed?) break from the FII reviews..
The coolest thing happened last night.. I went to the Faith No More concert
in Salt Lake.. and saw some guy wearing an "Awake" t-shirt. I absolutely
HAD to comment on how cool he was. :) Then as I was leaving, a couple
other people noticed the license plate on my car 'YTSEJAM' and gave me two
thumbs up. I was happy. :) And the FNM concert rocked. I haven't had
that much fun in a long time.
For whoever has the Crack a Smile boot.. I used to love Poison, but they've
kind of dissappeared since then. If anyone has the boot, what would be the
chances of ripping the CD and compressing it into MP3? If the CD was never
released and never will be, I'm sure a lot of Poison fans would LOVE
whoever did it.
-NC (Ecstatic that DT is #52!)
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:12:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: time signatures for crackheads
Message-ID: <971003120900_1208065480@emout09.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 10/3/97 0:19:46, jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu wrote:
>I'm not much of a musician (I can play a pretty mean air guitar),
>but I am curious of something that maybe you musicians can answer: What is
>the most whacked out, insane time signature that you have ever heard of
>out of a prog rock/prog metal band, and what song (or part of the song) and
>album? On that same hand, what is the most insane time sig on a DT song?
> Either emailed to me or sent to the list is fine, unless someone
>complains loudly :).
hmm...after a lot of deliberation (note the increased usage of legal terms in
the last 6 weeks), the most bizarre time signature i've heard would have to
be something in the dt repertoire.
the song: "another day"
album: "images and words"
the meter: 4/4. they actually stuck with this uncommon (in prog rock) meter
throughout the WHOLE song. now THAT is an accomplishment.
ok, i'm fucking around. maybe. hard to think of any set of bizarre meters.
you can play a 7/16 measure (or a 15/16 one as megadeth does in "lucretia")
without too much difficulty, if you can handle it. meters get psycho when
utilized in scenarios they normally wouldn't. dave brubeck (the master of the
odd meter, imo) sits on this perch. another pretty bizarre use of odd meter
is the "blues in 7" pink floyd pulls off in "money." so what if it's in 7,
but a blues in 7 makes things a lot more interersting.
ytsegoon (you know him, you love him, you just can't wear leather without him
compleimenting you- he's your pantysniffer!)
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david y. kobayashi
the new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
dkobayashi@nyls.edu
"better to save the mystery, than surrender to the secret." -j. petrucci
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:34:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Third Date on DT's Tour...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971003123326.7916A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
Columbus OH, Oct 28th. at Alrosa Villa, 7pm.
-jeremy
+=====================================================================+
# grad student, Boston U. # "You've seen our Moon, #
# Boston, MA 02134 # Now see our Johnson!" #
# Astronomy # -seen on T-shirts all over Vikingland #
#<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># referring to QBs W. Moon and B. Johnson #
#<*> jhallum@bu.edu <*># Bleeding Purple since the tender age of 6.#
#<*>jhallum@dreamt.org <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ #
+=====================================================================+
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:33:07 -0400
From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
To: " - (052)ytsejam(a)ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Time and Motion
Message-ID: <0010200001467674000002L042*@MHS>
> From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
< Subject: Time and Motion
>
< >Is "Fight Fire with Fire" a 1/1 composition (the beats
> >don't seem to be different from each other)...
<
> Just on the off case you're not joking (I don't mean that to be rude,=
but
< more of a blanket statement to prevent other people from thinking I'm=
> gullible), there's no such thing as 1/1 time. 2/2 is the lowest it g=
oes,
< and that's called cut-time. You only use that for slow songs, typica=
lly,
> or otherwise there'd be mad flags all over the place. We're talking =
64th
< note city.
Well, actually, I've always seen 2/2 used for fast songs. If the song
is at something totally ridiculous such as 4/4 at 240 bpm, it is much
easier to just count the half notes in 2/2 at 120 bpm. And when you
start to approach 400 bpm, then you go to 1/1 and just count the
measures.
But getting back to the original question, if all the beats sound the
same, then you could write it as 1/x. 1/1 would be a bit extreme
because writing anything longer than 1 beat would be tough. If I were
transcribing it, chances are I'd choose 4/4 and accent every beat. It
just makes things easier to count.
> Brian Henderson
< hender@wam.umd.edu
"Briiiaaaaan!!" "Kiiirrrrrrk!!"
- Joe, Wings - Khan, Wrath of Khan
brian.kirk@usvgi.mail.abb.com
bkirk@blkbox.com
Write me. If you dare!
=
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Date: 03 Oct 97 09:56:05 -0700
From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Metallica and time sigs
Message-ID: <199710031657.JAA18626@mailseq4.us.oracle.com>
>>As for the song, I'm not familiar with it, but you can pretty
much assume it's 4/4. Yes, I'll admit it, I don't have every Metallica
album yet. But I do have rhythm, and that's all I need, right?
Actually, no. There are many time sig changes in "Blackened." _...And
Justice_ was a very cool album with some slight progressive tendencies here
and there. Some long songs, some with time sig changes, and a tight-ass
rhythm sound. Cool stuff.
jammin',
-Neil.
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 13:06:21 -0400
From: Sam Kim <phanx@erols.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Toad's Place
Message-ID: <34352602.7010@erols.com>
This is horrible.. anyone else agree? Not that they're touring, but
that they chose such a lousy venue. Toad's fits what, 2-300? They
should play at the Palace(was it there?) like they did on the 'Awake'
tour. I'd hate to think that their whole tour will consist of small
local night clubs.
-Sam
>
> YtseJim wrote:
>
> > Since i was at Toad's Place tonight to see the Dickinson show (which by
> > the way, kicked major ass)
> > I saw the advertisement for Dream Theater Oct 25 doors open 6pm, show at
> > 6:30pm.
> > Just thought i would confirm the date...
> > Kinda strange that it is such an early show....
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Date: 03 Oct 97 10:12:23 -0700
From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "Blackened" like a fucking pancake
Message-ID: <199710031713.KAA21028@mailseq4.us.oracle.com>
>The greater part of Metallica's "Blackened" is in 6/4
I have to respectfully disagree with this. Listen very carefully - there are
a shitload of changes. I'm not talking about a 6/4 vs 6/8 argument. Rather,
there are lots of changes and extra beats either thrown in or lopped off
(depending how you look at it). If people actually care, I'll go home and
write out the sigs. Off the top of my head, I can remember one brief phrase
of 14 beats - interpret it how you like (4/4 4/4 6/4, for example). Not
having the CD, I can't give you a time reference for that.
Count carefully!
-Neil.
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 13:24:25 -0400
From: Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3063
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971003132423.007df1e0@mason.gmu.edu>
>From: Chris Genigeski <chris.g@nethawk.com>
>Subject: Meshuggah
>
> Any Meshuggah fans around here? No, they're no DT, but definitely
>#2 on my list. If anyone's got any info on them send it my way. All I
>know is they're Swedish, and if you like the heavy technical stuff
>you'll love 'em. They're all really good, but the drummer is killer-
>and the band is.....dare I say....tighter than DT? They're almost too
>tight, TOO good. Somethin' must be up...
I've heard a few of their songs...Meshuggah is supposedly Yiddish for
"crazy", but I think the real spelling is meshugeneh....but...close enough
:> ...but, they certainly are crazy...their music stops and goes and goes
off on tangents and comes back ..goes to something smooth...goes to
something rough....is it progressive? Even though they're nuts, they are
quite coordinated..and everything fits well...it's interesting death metal....
This is a question to anyone in the jam who cares to respond...over the
months I keep hearing people talk about songs in fractions...like 4/8 and
4/4 ...and 6/8...ect... what in the world does all that mean? If you want
you can respond in private e-mail coz I'm sure a lot of people know about
this stuff and don't wanna hear about it on the mailing list. Any info
would be greatly appreciated!
Chris.
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 13:29:31 -0400
From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII meets Freud.
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971003132931.007c07a0@mail.vt.edu>
COOL!!! Just bumped into one of my friends from a long time ago... anyway,
his friend (a DJ) was unloading a bunch of stuff that never got played,
that the station had. So I was talking to him today (with my fix
long-sleeve t-shirt on) and he said, "you know, I remember we had a few
singles and promo stuff from the radio station that got cleared out, and I
just took whatever was laying around... and I still have a few things from
DT if you're interested... I rarely listen to it, so if you're a die hard
fan or something, you're welcome to it"... come to find out, the stuff
includes the Lie single (which I've never been able to find)... so I'll
have that tonight when I drop by... that was the only one he remembered...
but hey! cool stuff!
>"I may have spent too long in darkness
>In the warmth of my penis."
> Anyone else hear this, or am I just weird? ;)~
if there was an "n" sound in there anywhere, I could buy it... but it
almost sounds as if Labrie says "peers" ... so no, I don't hear the
penis... my, my ... Freud would have a field day with what you heard! :)
by the way, all this talk of debuting on the charts.. anyone know the debut
positions of IaW or Awake (or peak positions if it's any different)... and
I'll repeat... does anyone know what the actual clips from ACOS are (right
after section III (carpe diem) where james sings "I love you....
Goodbye")????????
All I can make out are " (clips) something happened...(more clips)...he was
killed"
Later,
Jason
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Jason Brindel
Computer Engineering '97
Virginia Tech
beamup@vt.edu
http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/beamup
(540)961-7262
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:34:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nate41775@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cynic members
Message-ID: <971003133215_1543519520@emout03.mail.aol.com>
to answer your question Stephen, Sean Reinert and Sean Malone are guesting on
a prog album for the band Anomaly. they play drums and bass on all the
tracks. there is a three song demo available thru mail order and you can find
it by going to dr. mosh's progressive feast page and looking at his links.
also, the same above mentioned players have their own new band called Ever,
which is said to be cynic-ish music but their demo is not yet released.
nate
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 13:49:32 -0400
From: Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: japan
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971003134929.007d6540@mason.gmu.edu>
It's me posting again...I forgot to ask this in my last post...I was
wondering how FII is selling in Japan...after all it seems that most folks
over there dig DT...'k thanks...
Chris.
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 14:01:21 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Faith No More - Crack a Smile
Message-ID: <199710031801.OAA06933@stimpy.cs.wm.edu>
> The coolest thing happened last night.. I went to the Faith No More concert
> in Salt Lake.. and saw some guy wearing an "Awake" t-shirt. I absolutely
> HAD to comment on how cool he was. :) Then as I was leaving, a couple
> other people noticed the license plate on my car 'YTSEJAM' and gave me two
> thumbs up. I was happy. :) And the FNM concert rocked. I haven't had
> that much fun in a long time.
I know the feeling. When Syrinx and I drove to Toronto to see Rush in June,
all the locals were absolutely thrilled to see his "1001001" license plates -
from Pennsylvania, no less!!
Bumper sticker of the day: "Martin Guitars: Finger Pickin' Good!"
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