YTSEJAM Digest 3065
Today's Topics:
1) Take away my brain, I'm not thinking anymore
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
2) EastWest and its annoying promos.
by al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
3) New Tour Date
by Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
4) D-Man's sanity, drum triggers, and my first DT experience...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
5) Re: FII meets Freud.
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
6) A Local Boy Goes Snazzerific.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3063
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
8) Guitar mag poll
by KillMary <caschulze@mindspring.com>
9) TSO "Promises to Keep", no DT content, except in my SIG...
by "Braun, Randall (CAP, ITS, US)" <Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com>
10) DT in Columbus, Ohio!!!
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3063
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
12) NEW HAVEN IS NOT SOLD OUT!!!
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
13) TOAD's Place
by YtseJim <lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu>
14) Crash Into Someone Else
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
15) Enchant Fanz!
by Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Wallstr=F6m?= <andreas.wallstrom@swipnet.se>
16) Gentle Giant??? Playing the Fool??
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:03:47 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Take away my brain, I'm not thinking anymore
Message-ID: <34353383.5E65@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> No kidding, I've noticed that. It seems the most disliked song are
> "Burning My Soul" and "You Not Me," my two faves! And yeah, they do
> have hit potential. I think this would be good for Dream Theater.
It's no longer a matter of 'would be.' It's happening as we bitch, uh,
er, speak :)
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> After all this dream come true, I went to the hospital and got my self 5
> stitches in the head, developed the pictures and went home to prepare my
> self to the 3 concerts that were coming up.
Leandro(BR jammer) is a professional bleeder. Kids, don't try this at
home. Dream Theater can no longer assume repsonsibility nor guarantee
free admission to concert via this approach :)
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Jeremy, perhaps a little to "seventies" for some, but if you want insane
time sigs, check out Gentle Giant... another good choice would be Brand
X.
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Graham:
> Subject: WDADU Review Kerrang ! 1989 (Long)
Thanks so much for posting that!! In the 70's, I (as I'm sure several of
the other YtseWalkingWounded did :)) got heavily into all the
artists/bands mentioned there, so this hits home hard.'
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Sound heard today on FII that made me go 'HMMMMMMM': The end of TAMP, I
think it's DS, but it reminds me of the Beatles during their psychedlic
years. Anyone else? Elders?
DTDT: If sales go through the roof, does homeowner's insurance cover
this?
Regards,
Jon
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| Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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"Drifting with the current
This stream of life flows on" -- John Myung
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:16:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: EastWest and its annoying promos.
Message-ID: <199710031816.OAA14120@osfn.org>
Over the past month or so, I have been receiving LPs from EastWest.
Now, unfortunately, they are nothing that I like (it's always rap.) I
came home today, and behold, they sent me the "new" 'Busta Rhymes' album.
Has anyone else received these things?
- Dan
-- Wave upon wave of demented avengers March cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream..------------------------------
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 14:16:48 -0400 From: Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Tour Date Message-ID: <34353690.6C86@seacoast.com>
Ticketmaster has a third show listed on their webpage:
Columbus, Ohio Oct. 28
also New Haven Oct. 25 Chicago Nov. 1 Later Rob
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:30:53 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: D-Man's sanity, drum triggers, and my first DT experience... Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-971003183053Z-12428@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
D- Man wrote....
>I'd say that ACoS is more Mike than anything. I guess the thing I noticed >most about the album is the drums (and yes, I like the picc snare. I like >the >snares on FII, too. Shoot me now. :)
BANG! > >> He is a truly amazing vocalist. Last, but certainly not least...FII is >> Myung's shining moment. He truly shines on this album. I have never heard >> such driving bass lines in my life. Equally impressive is his work with >>the >> Chapman stick. If anyone has any other opinions, post em. I would love to >> hear from you guys. > >Absolutely. Kevin Shirley is the man. I hope DT works with him again >(assuming they're happy with the results of FII). Hell, *I'd* like to work >with him.
Every time D-Man says this, I'm going to question his sanity. Consider the question asked... > >> had a much better drum recording. Hearing live performances of I and W >>really >> shows how the drums should truly sound. Not that it is bad, but the >>recording > >You know, I never even noticed it till Richie pointed out to me the little >snare fills in Metro I. On the album, every hit is the same, and Rich said >he >didn't know how Mike did it. Then he heard a boot, with the dynamics in the >snare hits, and got it. Once I could hear that, I began to passionately hate >drum triggers. :)
I think Prater got the best tones, with the exception of the drums, naturally. I can hear triggers from a mile away. Having said that, I found out something neat not too long ago - I always thought that it was wierd that two of my favorite albums (I&W and Crimson Glory's 'Transcendence') had triggered drums. Well, on 'Transcendence', they're not really triggered - they're the drummer's real sounds. Seems the drummer was in a serious car accident just before CG went into the studio, and he couldn't play through a whole song. So they sampled his drums, and programmed his actual parts - timing variations and all - into a Synclavier. Some of the hi - hat and cymbal stuff is live, but the rest is Memorex.
I find that pretty impressive. Not that it has anything to do with D-Man's quote...
I don't care for triggers much, either. > >Also, everytime I play Anna Lee in the car, my classmate Ben starts singing >"Scenes from an Italian Restaurant" ("Bottle of white, bottle of red..." :)
You know, that really does fit...
On the subject of getting into DT, I may go back the farthest of anyone I know. I heard a demo of "Afterlife" on a compliation/radio/thingy that at ex that worked at MCA gave me - a while before WDADU came out. I bought the album the day it was released, and then kinda forgot about them after a while - I just happened to be in a store the day I&W came out, and PMU floored me from the start.
Then I heard it on the radio (98Rock, in Baltimore - the coolest rock radio in the US, at that point)
Then I saw the I&W tour - five times.
Here I am now... waiting for my chance to open for them. :)
Mike >
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 14:37:38 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: FII meets Freud. Message-ID: <199710031837.OAA07296@stimpy.cs.wm.edu>
> I'll repeat... does anyone know what the actual clips from ACOS are (right > after section III (carpe diem) where james sings "I love you.... > Goodbye")???????? > All I can make out are " (clips) something happened...(more clips)...he was > killed"
I'm pretty sure that no one knows *all* of them, but I can tell you that that last one is *she* was killed - the song is, in part, about the death of Mike's mother.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:41:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: A Ytse Besides Itself <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: A Local Boy Goes Snazzerific. Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.971003143734.19834A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
- just a quick word to pass to the ytsejamming community.
i picked up Sean Malone's CD, Cortlandt, yesterday, and have been playing this damn thing non stop. I'm not a huge fan of progressive jazz, but <clears throat> THIS ALBUMS KICKS ASS.
sorry, but it just had to be said.
Like the new DT, it isn't just "look how fast i can play" mastrubatory solos that most virtuoso musicians do. it's, like FII, very tastefully done, letting the song itself dictate itself. Sean (with his pal Sean Reinert on Drums) put together a great CD, with Trey Gunn and Reeves Gabriels appearing to make it even phater.
I _HIGHLY_ reccomend getting this cd to hear what Sean can do. You can go to http://www.artist-shop.com and get it (i got mine in like 3 days).
Great job, Sean! I can't wait to hear what you have next!
* * * * * * * e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania!: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/ offical lemur voice homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
(c) 1997 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 14:44:59 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3063 Message-ID: <199710031844.OAA07349@stimpy.cs.wm.edu>
> This is a question to anyone in the jam who cares to respond...over the > months I keep hearing people talk about songs in fractions...like 4/8 and > 4/4 ...and 6/8...ect... what in the world does all that mean? If you want
These are what are referred to as "time signatures." Your basic rock song is in the time sig 4/4 throughout. That means that each measure is four beats long, and a quarter note is the measurement of one beat. It's tough to define all these things without defining them in terms of each other. Just take your basic 7 Mary 3 song or something, and tap on your knee "1-2-3-4" as the song plays. You're tapping along with the bass drum, or the snare, most likely, and you're tapping in 4/4.
Now tap along with "Peruvian Skies." The beginning of the song, you're tapping "1-2-3-4." Each time you get to 1 again, you've started a new measure. Now, when you get to the chorus "Under Peruvian skies..." you'll notice that your tapping naturally shifts to "1-2-3 1-2-3." This part of the song is in 3/4. The quarter note still is measured as one beat, but this time you start a new measure after three of them, instead of four.
Fast forward to the second chorus in PS, the one that builds into the heavy part. The most natural-feeling way to tap this part out is by tapping twice as fast as you were before. Therefore, the bottom number of the time sig here is 8, because one beat is now measured as an eighth note, instead of a quarter note. And since you're now tapping "1-2-3-4-5-6 1-2-3-4-5-6", this part of the song is in 6/8.
Thank Ged this is a Dream Theater list. Imagine trying to explain this to people on an AC/DC list. :)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:53:51 -0400 (EDT) From: KillMary <caschulze@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Guitar mag poll Message-ID: <199710031853.OAA18899@brickbat9.mindspring.com>
Hey guys,
Here's a chance for DT to get a little media exposure. The Guitar Magazine anual reader's poll. John Petrucci has already been honored by this mag, so I figure it's the one that has most DT fans among their readers.
Where to post your e-mail: guitarmag@aol.com Subject: Readers Poll
The categories are numbered:
1. Best Rock Guitarist of 1997 (here you say John Petrucci ;D) 2. Best Guitar-Oriented Band of 1997 (here you say Dream Theater) 3. Best All-Time Guitarist 4. Best Guitar Album of 1997 (here you say DT-Falling...) 5. Best New Guitarist (your fave new prog band guitarist ;) 6. Most Overlooked Guitarist (jammers will love this one) 7. Favorite Guitar Style other than Rock 8. Best Non-Rock guitarist 9. Your Prediction for Best Guitarist of NEXT year 10. Models of Guitar and amp you most often play 11. Best Thing to happen to the guitar this last year 12. Worst thing to happen to the guitar this last year (can you say eMpTyV) 13. Time to pull the plug on (ditto?) 14. Biggest disappointment of 1997 (don't make this a tread please) 15. What would you like to see more in the Guitar mag.
All you have to do on the e-mail is specify the number and your answer.
Final voting deadline is November 15th. Maybe if John Petrucci wins this one he could even appear on the cover. That would be very cool indeed.
Thanks,
Christian.
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:26:12 -0500 From: "Braun, Randall (CAP, ITS, US)" <Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: TSO "Promises to Keep", no DT content, except in my SIG... Message-ID: <199710031855.LAA08910@odin.ax.com>
I know it's not quite Christmas yet, but I came across a reference to the line 'Promises to Keep', which is a title/lyric on TSO's Christmas Eve. It comes from the poem "Stopping by the woods on a snowy evening " by Robert Frost. The poem seems somewhat apropos to the CD/song's storyline Thought 'tage aficionados might be interested.
-Randall email: Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com **"Falling Into Infinity, and Maybe Beyond: Black Holes and Time Travel. (Is There a Past in Your Future? If not yesterday, then perhaps tomorrow...)"**
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:09:07 -0400 (EDT) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT in Columbus, Ohio!!! Message-ID: <v01520d00b05ab6066a3b@[207.90.119.91]>
> Columbus OH, Oct 28th. at Alrosa Villa, 7pm.
hell yeah!! dinky club, but who cares- it's DT!!!!! :)
this show hasn't been confirmed yet (ie- it's not on the al rosa's message machine and it's not on ticketbastard's site yet), but this one is gonna rock- so i hope it happens!!
Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com Galactic Cowboys on the Web...muh!? http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +---
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:26:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3063 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.971003152616.2761B-100000@thunder>
Hey Jammers.. I called Toads Place and they sold me a ticket for Dream Theater..
I heard rumours that they sold out... I HOPE THE LADY KNOWS WHAT SHE IS DOING!!!! (the one who sold me the ticket)
Now I am a bit worried... I dont want to miss my chance to see the mighty Dream Theater!!! ARGH!!! I WANT MY TICKET IN HAND OR I WONT SLEEP!!!
-ponte
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:11:05 -0400 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NEW HAVEN IS NOT SOLD OUT!!! Message-ID: <v03102800b05b013dc4e6@[18.220.0.27]>
I haven't been reading the past few Jams (shame on me) but on the Boston Jammers list, there was a rumor (yeah, it was you Binky! Off with your head!) that Toad's Place had already been sold out. I repeat that it is not sold out - as of 4:10 PM EST on 10/3/97, Dream Theater was not sold out at Toad's Place. I should know because I just bought 2 tickets from Ticketshafter. So, for those of you who almost gave up trying to score some tickets, do not fear. It's not sold out...yet.
Laters, Bogie
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 16:00:49 -0400 From: YtseJim <lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TOAD's Place Message-ID: <34354EF1.A11B76A@uhavax.hartford.edu>
>Kinda strange that it is such an early show.... >Well it could be because of their children. I know that for several years, >I've had to work stuff around my daughter's schedule - so perhaps that's >it. Or it could be a misprint.
Nope, not a misprint
>For those wondering about tickets to see DT at Toad's on the 25th... >They are SOLD OUT ALREADY!!!! FUCK!!!! >Any of you lucky bastards out there get a ticket?
Hey LOOSER! any lucky bastard can get tickets...THEY ARE NOT SOLD OUT! Where did you get your information from?
YtseJim
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:04:27 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Crash Into Someone Else Message-ID: <199710032004.NAA11147@main.cfmc.com>
After having bit my manager's head off (isn't that supposed to work the other way, Adam?), I'm taking a moment for myself...
>From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu> > >Just on the off case you're not joking (I don't mean that to be rude, but >more of a blanket statement to prevent other people from thinking I'm >gullible), there's no such thing as 1/1 time. 2/2 is the lowest it goes, >and that's called cut-time. You only use that for slow songs, typically, >or otherwise there'd be mad flags all over the place.
Well, this is sorta true, but not entirely. You'll never (or, at least, I haven't) SEE something in 1/1 time, but it is something that's entirely possible...one beat to the measure, whole note gets one count, isn't a way to write anything but maybe the simplest, slowest canons, but it's entirely possible. It'd be a pain in the ass, generically speaking, though.
and...
>From: JOE MAHONEY <JOMAHONEY@DAVIDSON.EDU> > >Hola Jammerz! > >Roger Brito was asking about Metallica songs that are not in 4/4. I >happen to have a complete Metallica completion which I checked to find this >info. Here are the songs that aren't 4/4. > >Nothing Else Matters: 6/8 >Don't Tread on Me: 12/8 >AJFA : 3/4 >Disposable Heroes: 6/4 > >These aren't strange time sigs, but they're not 4/4.
I think there've gotta a few you've overlooked. "Orion" has all kinds of time signature shifts (some of them a downright pain in the ass) in it, for one. "Eye of the Beholder," as I'm thinking about it, shifts back and forth a little, too. A great deal of "...And Justice For All" is in 4, as I recall. I've gotta think there are a few others, since I'm just drawing stuff off the top of my head.
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Dream Theater: Falling Into Infinity 2. Live: Secret Samadhi 3. Bad Religion: The Grey Race 4. Rush: Hold Your Fire 5. Shawn Colvin: A Few Small Repairs
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:51:49 +0100 From: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Wallstr=F6m?= <andreas.wallstrom@swipnet.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Enchant Fanz! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970114095149.0068a674@janus.swip.net>
>> I think they should include Enchant!!. Just imagine DT and Enchant, >> wow!! :) > > Hey, that's not a bad idea at all :-) Enchant's drummer played on > Steve Rothery's solo project "The Wishing Tree" last year. I'm sure > contacting them about this project won't be much of a problem :-)
Cool! Other Enchant fans! What's up with the group anyway? They released "A Blueprint of the World" a couple of years ago and that's all I know 'bout them. Have they released something new lately???
Andy
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:08:05 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Gentle Giant??? Playing the Fool?? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971003170447.8890C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Jon Parmet wrote:
> Jeremy, perhaps a little to "seventies" for some, but if you want insane > time sigs, check out Gentle Giant... another good choice would be Brand > X.
Hey, I friend of mine, who studies Classical Music once told me to get an album by Gentle Giant called "Playing the Fool". He described it as being the best rock album that he has ever heard, but I haven't been able to talk with him for a long time.
So, could you elder 'jammers post a review of this album (or any other Gentle Giant album), please?
Thank you very much, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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