YTSEJAM Digest 3066
Today's Topics:
1) FII on position 5 in Italy !!!
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
2) Dream Theater in Tucson
by Chris Delt <cld@azstarnet.com>
3) Compared to DT?
by Matt Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
4) Adios
by JamesAhab@aol.com
5) Re: Guitars and basses and drums....oh my
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
6) Story of the day.....
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
7) Gentle Giant??? Playing the Fool??
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
8) Re: Best of Dream Theater
by Gonzo1298@aol.com
9) 3 dates so far from ticketbastard
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
10) Re: Time Sigs question.
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3063
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
12) Re: Dream Theater in Tucson
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
13) DT tour dates
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
14) Road trip!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
15) Re: 10/03/97 - The National Midnight Star #1868
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
16) Myung's bass work and Doug Pinnick
by "A. Williamson" <ajwilli@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 22:35:20 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII on position 5 in Italy !!!
Message-ID: <3435D598.5E77@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
According to MTV EUROPE TEXT, FII is on position 5 in Italy !!!!!!!
Check it out on page 218.
Arash
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:43:06 -0700 (MST)
From: Chris Delt <cld@azstarnet.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dream Theater in Tucson
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.971003133916.19301A-100000@web.azstarnet.com>
Does anybody know when dt is coming to tucson? the awake show they did
here was really cool! it was packed (though most of the crowd seemed about
as excited as a bunch of inanimate objects).
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 16:57:44 -0500
From: Matt Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Compared to DT?
Message-ID: <34356A58.46BC@disknet.com>
Hi everybody,
Just curious if anybody else has noticed this. I'm brosing several
christian music wed-stores today and noticed that in the review of a lot
of the CD's that DT is used as a comparision. Not like, "These guys
sound like DT," but more like "If you're a DT fan, you'll like this
band's progressive metal sound." That's pretty cool IMO. Apparently the
christian music industry may be more familiar with DT than the music
industry as a whole. I don't ever recall seeing a band compared to DT in
a band review (apart from the jam & some Magna Carta releases, of
course). Has anybody else noticed this? For the curious, the bands
compared to DT that I can remember were: Metropolis (duh!), Ultimatium,
Atomic Opera, The new King James album, Sardonyx, Majesty, Liquid
Eclipse, Sea of Dreams and Veni Domine.
While I'm familiar with a few of these bands already, I'd be interested
to hear the opinions of those of you out there who know any of them.
C-ya,
Matt
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:08:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Adios
Message-ID: <971003170654_1064615496@emout03.mail.aol.com>
Well, I can't take anymore of the YtseJam, sorry. =]
I'm way too busy, and I can't take getting 90 jams in my box at once. I'll
try back again after December when I have some time. Please e-mail me any
Dream Theater tour dates, specifically in the Pennsylvania/Jersey area.
Thanks!
Jim
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 23:18:30 +0200
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Guitars and basses and drums....oh my
Message-ID: <34356126.1538@Netvision.net.il>
Stephen LaMonica wrote:
>
> I just want to see how people feel about this. I think that each album has
> showcased the overall power of the band, but I feel that someone sticks out
> on each album and truly shines....On WDADU, the entire band is in full force.
> All of them are proving what they can do.
WDADU is without a doubt the Moore album. Notice the keys on... on...
the entire CD!!! OAMOT, The Killing Hand, Light Fuse and Get Away, all
of 'em I guess...
> Images and Words...that is without a doubt the Moore album. His solos and melodies sold me on DT and I have been
> a fan ever since.
I&W is probably the Petrucci + Moore album (TTT, PMU, Met. Pt. 1, LtL,
UAGM, all of 'em again...)
6:00, this has to be a tie....Petrucci and Portnoy. The
> two show such great chemistry...especially in Erotomania(THE guitar solo).
That's Awake, but I'll forgive you since you admitted your mistake...
Here I agree with you, but I have to add that LaBrie has his part also.
(Voices, Scarred, 6:00, LSOAD)
> A Change of Seasons....we got a glimpse of what Sherinian can offer to the
> band(he has definitly proven himself on FII)...but LaBrie never sounded better.
> He is a truly amazing vocalist.
ACOS is LaBrie indeed.
Last, but certainly not least...FII is
> Myung's shining moment. He truly shines on this album. I have never heard
> such driving bass lines in my life. Equally impressive is his work with the
> Chapman stick. If anyone has any other opinions, post em. I would love to
> hear from you guys.
Now this album is IMO the "everybody" album. They fit so well together
here....
> One last thing, does anyone feel this way about Portnoy on I and W? There is
> something about the snare on that album that just doesn't sound right.
My friends and I always went nuts because of this. One of 'em said the
snare sounds like an electric one (off a synth or something). Boy was he
right...
--
Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit."
- Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the
end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 23:06:51 +0200
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Story of the day.....
Message-ID: <34355E6B.C81@Netvision.net.il>
Hi there jammers!
I was thinking of writeing an "All time DT favourites" list. I thought
that couldn't be that diffecult. Boy was I wrong.
I thought of top song of each album, but instead of finding one song
that I like the best, I found just one song that I don't like very
much..... An all-time DT favourites list will probably consist of all of
their songs.....
And that's exactly what I like in this band. Every song by them kicks
asses. Even if they went techno they would kick asses.
And if any member of the band is reading this, please read my post about
bringing DT to Israel.
That would be all.
--
Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit."
- Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the
end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:47:26 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Gentle Giant??? Playing the Fool??
Message-ID: <v01520d03b05b163a1f5c@[205.134.227.235]>
Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> wrote;
>Hey, I friend of mine, who studies Classical Music once told me to
>get an album by Gentle Giant called "Playing the Fool". He described it as
>being the best rock album that he has ever heard, but I haven't been able
>to talk with him for a long time.
>So, could you elder 'jammers post a review of this album (or any
>other Gentle Giant album), please?
I do not have "Playing The Fool" but I have other albums bu Gentle Giant.
"Free Hand" is the good one to start with, "Octopus" is good too. But I
heard "In the glass house" IS excellent. I don't have it.
"Acquiring The Taste" and "The Power And The Glory" are a bit to get into.
Most people do not like Gentle Giant at first listen. I think their music
is a bit hard to get into. Please be patient and you will like them a lot.
Their music is excellent; it's the vocals that can be irritating because
they have layers for the vocals.
Regards,
AE
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:57:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gonzo1298@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Best of Dream Theater
Message-ID: <971003175446_2099096954@emout13.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-10-03 09:00:32 EDT, you write:
<< My pals and I are thinking of making a best of DT on 2 cds
setlist for now would be:
A fortune in lies, ytse jam, only a matter of time
under a glass moon, take the time, metropolis 1, learning to live
6:00, caught in a web, lifting shadows, scarred, erotomania
a change seasons(snippets)
new millennium,hells kitchen,trial of tears,lines in the sand.. >>
I can't resist posting my own ideas. I believe a true "best of" should
reflect the well known tunes and a few classic cuts. Here's mine:
Disc1: The Ytse Jam; Status Seeker (Broon remix); Afterlife (Broon remix);
The Killing Hand; Pull Me Under; Take The Time; Metropolis-Part I; Surrounded
(Live at the Marquee version); To Live Forever (b-side version); Eve (b-side
version).
Disc 2: 6:00; Caught In A Web; Lie (single version); The Silent Man; A Change
Of Seasons; Tears (from Xmas club CD); You Not Me; Hollow Years; Burning My
Soul; Lines In The Sand.
Just my thoughts. I'd love to squeeze in Learning To Live. Another Day was
omitted and it was a video, but...such is life. :)
Gonzo
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:16:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: DragynLMC3@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 3 dates so far from ticketbastard
Message-ID: <971003181448_-729225438@emout18.mail.aol.com>
Oct 25th, New Haven CT
Oct 28th, Columbus OH
Nov. 1st, Chicago IL
For future dates there is this direct link to the DT date page:
http://204.118.143.208/cgi/events/tmquery.idq?CiRestriction=Dream+Theater
~Lisa
..When the gods wish to punish us,
They answer our prayers....
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 23:49:47 +0200
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Time Sigs question.
Message-ID: <3435687B.1432@Netvision.net.il>
The most insane time sig i've heard was in a DT song so that covers both
your questions... that song is ofcourse Metropolis Part I. middle part.
And as a second place i'll put WFS (far from insane but the sig changes
every 2 mesures or something)
--
Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit."
- Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the
end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 00:41:54 +0200
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3063
Message-ID: <343574B2.156A@Netvision.net.il>
Chris Daley wrote:
> I've heard a few of their songs...Meshuggah is supposedly Yiddish for
> "crazy", but I think the real spelling is meshugeneh....but...close enough
Finally, something I have knowledge in.
Time to prove my usefullness ;-)
"Meshuggah" is hebrew for crazy.
"Meshiganeh" is Yiddish for crazy. (Yiddish, in case some of you don't
know, is the language jews spoke in Europe before there was Israel...
--
Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit."
- Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the
end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:12:07 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Dream Theater in Tucson
Message-ID: <199710032312.QAA29813@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Chris Delt said:
>
>Does anybody know when dt is coming to tucson? the awake show they did
>here was really cool! it was packed (though most of the crowd seemed about
>as excited as a bunch of inanimate objects).
YEAH!! THEY'RE PLAYING TOMMOROW!!! IT'S SOLD OUT!!!!
-The Doc
--
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:36:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT tour dates
Message-ID: <v01520d02b05af81ee9c5@[207.90.119.51]>
i'm just wondering...
WHAT'S WITH THIS TICKETMASTER CRAP OF ONLY RELEASING, LIKE, ONE
DATE AT A TIME!?!?!!
i plan on going to any and every show near me (cincy, columbus,
indy, toledo...maybe even louisville or cleveland), but there's
no way i can plan ahead when to request off for work at this
rate... :)
heck, i'm seriously thinking about going to the chicago one, i've
done the dayton->chicago thing once before, but i'm not sure if
i'm up to doing it again.
at least i'm pretty positive that columbus is on.
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com
Galactic Cowboys on the Web...muh!?
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 19:25:00 -0400
From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Road trip!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971003192500.00690d38@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Y'know, it's REALLY nice to come home from a hellish day at work and have
several 'jams waiting for you. Amusement and info galore...
Paul quoth:
>Phil Carter (a rare Ytsejammer from Atlanta) mentioned that it was
>hard to get through on 96rock's request line (404-741-9696). Yes, but
>it's not nearly so hard to get through on the FAX line. This applies
>to both stations here, and FAX requests might "weigh" more.
Athens, actually, Paul (not that it makes a damn bit of difference; I still
can't get through to the request line :) ).
I'll try the FAX line. I've been using the FAX line at work for lots of
non-work related stuff lately (the most recent being an order from Dream
Disc), so why the hell not throw in one more?
Paul also pondered:
>Hmm, tour dates are being announced. Wes, BigSwifty, who's up for a
>roadtrip? :)
Yo. *raises hand* I missed it when you guys went up to Birch Hell for the
Fix for '96. Take me along this time, dammit! :)
Weekends are a good thing.
Cheers,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter
"Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who
no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired,
gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals
Currently playing: Jimmy Buffett -- "Banana Wind"
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:02:35 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: rush@syrinx.umd.edu
Cc: durnik@goodnet.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: 10/03/97 - The National Midnight Star #1868
Message-ID: <199710040002.RAA15552@goodnet.com>
Hi all.
A rather inflammatory post appeared on TNMS that made unfounded
accusations that I cannot let sit unanswered. I am looking into libel
action against Mr. Colletti for damaging my business by posting these
things, but hopefully that will not be necessary because most, indeed
nearly all, people who have done business with me, know what he claims is
untrue. I am CC'ing this to the Dream Theater Ytsejam mailing list because
although the original slam post got through to TNMS, I don't know if my
reply will, because I was told not to post about my boot projects on TNMS.
In this case, I'm hoping to at least get an equal rebuttal. I think I have
been more than fair by posting ZERO ads to TNMS since I was asked to do so
many months ago.
Here's the post..
> modingus@znet.com (Charles Colletti) writes:
> Let me first just say I am a very large bootleg collector (all formats) and
> have taped dozens of shows. I do not condone bootlegs at all. Just people
> that press the shows on disc and RIP-OFF fellow fans. And whats worse is
> when you get people (like John Dea) that come in and defend the con-artists
Since I don't see you dubbing tapes at cost for other fans, I
don't see as how you have room to criticize here, but I will go on... As
for the con-artist thing, better be careful what you say and how you say
it. I do take very seriously allegations of that sort.
> John Dea wrote:
> >Virtual Songs: This one fills three discs, so it's just a tad expensive.
> > However, it's probably the only boot in the world to have the entire T4E
> >an excellent recording. Call it 8 out of a perfect 10.
>
> So 10 would be a sound board, eh? Hmmm. Lets see. 3 disc's in packaging
> made for 2 discs, with only an 8 out of 10 sound quality... Hmmm for $75
> dollars, eh? What a frigin rip-off. How about this formula;
> Find about 8 people that want the show. Each pitch in $75 and purchase your
> own CD-R recorder, and make your own. Bam.... Their ya go. If you do it
> this way I am sure through traders you can get a superior quality recording
I offered $200 for the best source DAT of the TFE tour, on
alt.music.rush, $500 for a soundboard, and got no takers, so I went ahead
with my audience DAT (which was perfectly average as DATs go). If you've
got such awesome shows in your collection, where were you then? Why did
you keep them away from the Rush-loving public? Selfishness?
And you seem to forget that not everyone has the time, knowledge,
or resources to get in on a CD-R project themselves. And many traders
would rather work in CD-R than tape anyway. I provide a solution for those
people.
> BTW, I do have a CD boot with the entire T4E set list. My friend taped it,
> I did post-audio work on it, then my friend dumped it to CD-R (Thanks again
> for the disc Jim. Jordan I want my copy back!). Its incredible quality.
> Puts Virtual Songs to shame and it only set me back the cost of media
> (about $8.00 per 74 min disc).
_Now_ you're full of shit. Media is $3 per disc. Media, however,
is but a small part of the cost of an entire project. I have put extensive
notes on this on my web page for public consumption: two other people
(Ryan Whitaker and Marcel Berkhout) have already followed my lead and
created projects of their own. The URL is in my signature.
Also, I notice you aren't offering your disc to the entire TNMS
fan public. Unless you plan to do so, you have no place criticising those
who have.
90% of all Rush shows aren't worth making CDs out of because of
sound quality. I encourage people to trade for any and all of those that
they can. The remainder are really nice to have on more permanent media
with higher sound fidelity.
> >Experience to Extremes: This one gets a perfect 10 for sound quality.
>
> Master Bahr??? ha ha ha ha ha! Come on dude. Get with it.... The only
> reason I wont tear this up is because I know who was responsible for this
> project, and where the master tape came from (Scott, hands down, its an
All Scott did was sell me the master tape. He gets mucho credit
for that, but really, it's not as if I sat back and collected a royalty.
You may not know this but I put many hours into preparing these CDs, and
to be complimented as John Dea did, means a great deal to me.
> >Mike's Honesty: I also want to vouch for his integrity with these
>
> Mike's honesty... Well other than lying horribly about production costs
My production costs are open for public view at my web site, as I
mentioned. Careful who you accuse of lying when you're uninformed.
> Mike is honest. Yes if a disc is lost in the mail he will send you another.
> But when you ship stuff 4'th class (gotta make every last cent in profit),
> what can you expect??? You are paying $75 for something that only costed
> probably $30 to make and he cant even splurge for 1'st class
1. I ship 1st class. 2. Yes, I have to milk every cent. That's
called business, doofus. If I lost money on every sale, I would have to
quit doing it, and I would lose the equivalent of a part time job. And my
other part-time job in the "real world" ain't enough by itself.
> addressed. Mike Bahr. Yes he press's disc's, and yes, lots of fans buy his
> stuff. I have no problem with people posting info on his disc's and where
> But when somebody comes in and talks as if they are best buds with this
> guy, defending him, when you don't know the real story.. Well thats
> something I'm not going to let slide by.
I don't even know Mr. Dea, except to say that I am happy that he
has been pleased with my work. He was just stating his opinions and
really, I don't see how you can rip him and me for that. This entire post
was sort of a blindside hit... how would you like it if I just walked up
to you on the street, hit you upside the head with a bat, and walked away?
That's basically what you did here.
I won't make assumptions about you the way you did about me, but
my impression of you is that of an "elitist" collector who already has
most of the shows on tape, can't be bothered to copy anything for the new
collectors who are enjoying every tape they receive, can't be happy with
any boot unless you manage to get it for free, and can't stand the idea of
someone doing something, like say, a CD-R project open to all Rush Fans,
that you wish you had thought of first. But none of these are facts or
accusations. Just my impressions.
-Mike Bahr-durnik@_goodnet.com-http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:18:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: "A. Williamson" <ajwilli@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Myung's bass work and Doug Pinnick
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.971003191332.33902B-100000@red.weeg.uiowa.edu>
As a bass player I whole-heartedly agree that Myung really shines on FII.
I love hearing him so prominently in the mix (for all its faults).
However, if you want to hear an album with really driving bass guitar I
suggest you give DOGMAN by King's X a spin. Now THAT'S bass!!!!!!
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