YTSEJAM Digest 3069
Today's Topics:
1) Buck Stodgers:You Ripped Me Off
by Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
2) Re: Buck Stodgers:You Ripped Me Off
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
3) Re: AUCTION: Silent Man CD Single.
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
4) Re: Buck Stodgers:You Ripped Me Off
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
5) DT at Lupo's
by Richard Harris <fargo@brown.edu>
6) Apology
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
7) new dream theater freak
by "richard howard" <drive101@hotmail.com>
8) New page design, "Spinning Years" cover
by "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
9) A little Fish, Gastric Disorders and Things About People who are Neither you nor me
by rsterry@idirect.com (Rick Terry)
10) WHJY (94.1) played JLMB
by Richard Harris <fargo@brown.edu>
11) Leviathan??
by sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
12) Top 5 of 97
by "Francesco Mescino" <f.mescino@som.com>
13) YNM revisited
by john jens <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net>
14) Jordan Rudess Web Page
by Michael Pomerleau <michael_pomerleau@snet.net>
15) sales and shits
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
16) I met MAPE! (well.. and Derek and Mike too :) part 1/2
by op777@freenet.hut.fi (Olli-Pekka Komonen)
17) I met MAPE! (well.. and Derek and Mike too :) part 2/2
by op777@freenet.hut.fi (Olli-Pekka Komonen)
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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 97 19:27:41 EDT
From: Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Buck Stodgers:You Ripped Me Off
Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.876007661.chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
I'm glad you decided to rejoin the list Andrew Forcier. We had a deal back
over the summer. I sent you a tape and a money order, and you told me your
place got ripped off so I would have to wait until the 2nd week in August,
and here it is October 4. Could you please explain to me why you decided to
rip me off, and leave the jam at the same time? I know it was only $10 and a
$3 blank tape, but it's the principle dude.
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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 20:19:47 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Buck Stodgers:You Ripped Me Off
Message-ID: <199710050019.UAA00994@il.cs.wm.edu>
> I'm glad you decided to rejoin the list Andrew Forcier. We had a deal back
> over the summer. I sent you a tape and a money order, and you told me your
> place got ripped off so I would have to wait until the 2nd week in August,
> and here it is October 4. Could you please explain to me why you decided to
> rip me off, and leave the jam at the same time? I know it was only $10 and a
> $3 blank tape, but it's the principle dude.
One's gotta wonder about a couple of things after reading this post.
1) Is the guy that *created* the jam's bad trader list going to rip people off?
2) Is it possible that Andrew didn't have e-mail access until the last week or
so?
3) Is it possible that you could have e-mailed Andrew personally, let him
explain the situation, rather than tarnish his reputation out here in the open?
The principle, dude, is that this list is not just a bunch of people posting
shit. We are a family, engaged in discussion, and partaking in a relationship
based on trust. If you feel that Andrew violated your trust, you should have
first discussed it with him, rather than crying foul in front of the whole
family.
I hope people will *not* follow Chris' example, and will instead use personal
e-mail where appropriate.
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Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:03:39 +1000
From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: AUCTION: Silent Man CD Single.
Message-ID: <199710050115.LAA26291@armstrong.apic.net>
> From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: AUCTION: Silent Man CD Single.
> Date: Sunday, 5 October 1997 4:17
>
>
> exactly what the subeject says. i've gotten a hold of an extra
> copy of "The Silent Man" CD single, and i'm willing to sell to the
> highest bidder. that's the way i work. don't like it? too bad.
>
> the bidding starts at $20. if interested, email me.
Nothing personnel Syrinx but this CD is available from:
CD Universe for $11.95 http://www.cduniverse.com
CD Now for $12.49 http://www.cdnow.com
gRaham_
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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 23:05:56 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Buck Stodgers:You Ripped Me Off
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971004225936.12800A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Christopher R. Merlo wrote:
> 1) Is the guy that *created* the jam's bad trader list going to rip
> people off?
Well, I must say that I've traded once with Andrew and he was one
of the kindest people with whom I have traded: he sent the tapes before I
even started to make his (I sent him two tapes with the "Uncovered Show"
and Viper's "Theatre of Fate"). It was before KTS (do you remember that?)
closed.
He was the only people with whom I have traded that used those
high quality Maxell XL IIs, instead of Maxell XL II tapes.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 22:16:38 -0400 From: Richard Harris <fargo@brown.edu> To: fargo@brown.edu, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT at Lupo's Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971004221638.006b9b84@postoffice.brown.edu>
> >When: October 17th (Friday) > >Where: Lupo's - Providence, RI > >I haven't got any more details yet.
Tickets go on sale on Monday, Oct 6th. I'm not sure with which ticket outlets Lupo's deals, though.
>Now if we could only get the station to >play BMS.
I've been listening to that station for only a little while, but they have managed to baffle me. They play the new Kiss song all the time, yet they don't play BMS. Keep in mind that the former was regarded by some of their DJ's as a "complete bag of suck". Hmmm....
--Rick
Cool HTML site of the Week: http://web-star.com/divine/wind.html
"Ugghh" --James LaBrie. from "You Not Me"
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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 19:31:33 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Apology Message-ID: <199710050231.TAA28235@goodnet.com>
I apologize for crossposting that big thingy to the Jam, in this case it was because I feared that the TNMS managers would disallow it (in spite of the fact that they allowed the original), and the last thing I needed was to have 300 customers with orders in e-mailing me cancellation attempts because they think I don't care about my projects enough to reply to something like that. I sincerely am sorry if I offended anyone.
The eagle has landed... at today's Tempest pre-release, the greater part of my collection of cards magically became cash. :) It's time to put the orders into overdrive. :) I'm one happy guy.
-Mike Bahr-durnik@_goodnet.com-http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 20:18:07 PDT From: "richard howard" <drive101@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: new dream theater freak Message-ID: <19971005031807.10730.qmail@hotmail.com>
yeah, well, my name's richard....im in trinidad, and unlike most of you i havent been listening to john p and co for too long, but theyre my fave band neway...
i heard a song offa the new cd...is it the song or are they becoming more conventional as a whole? i hope not...
notice im from a country under british grammatic rules and i spelt it rught :0)
leightir
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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 22:24:31 -0500 From: "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New page design, "Spinning Years" cover Message-ID: <19971005032657.AAA13564@hombre>
I completely redesigned my page. Go here: http://www.geocities.com/soho/2236 for more information on my two Dream Theater MP3 compilation discs, as well as a picture of the cover for "Spinning Years". It looks pretty freaking cool. Also, only 39 "Seven Wonders" discs are left!
Trying to be as brief as possible, D. Ryan Whitaker (David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net)
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Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 04:21:43 GMT From: rsterry@idirect.com (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A little Fish, Gastric Disorders and Things About People who are Neither you nor me Message-ID: <3437116d.29172150@mail.idirect.com>
Boo!
>Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 12:58:55 -0500 (EST) >From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
>I just stopped by the local music shop and they've got 2 or 3 imported = albums. Ipersonally don't know a damn thing about Marillion but I = wondered if these are >normally hard to come by. I could pick them up for someone if they're=20 >interested. Plus, what's a good album to start myself off with? =20
Hi there. 8-)
Well personally, I would recommend Clutching at Straws. The lyrics deal strongly with substance abuse, something the ex-singer, =46ish, was relatively familiar with. Fish' diction leaves the listener spellbound. The other record from the Fish era that makes a great listen is Misplaced Childhood. It is a concept record and that track occupies the entire length of the CD.
Fish was replaced by Steve Hogarth, whose voice is more melodic and less sarcastic than Fish'.
I would recommend Season's End as a starting point for that material followed by Brave, another concept record. Be warned though, Brave is a dark and disturbing listen and not for everyone lyrically.
If you want a good live sampling of the Fish era, get The Thieving Magpie CD set. It is fantastic and contains many tracks that they still play today. The video from Lorelei, Germany is also excellent.
For Hogarth era live stuff, check out Made Again. A great sampling of intense vocal work at its best and a must have for a Marillion fan.
The production and playing are excellent on all of these..
If you really want the low down on Marillion, subscribe to =46reaks, the Marillion mailing list. Mark Bredius (Itchy) is the demented maniac who runs it and he will show you the ropes.
How about it Mark!!?? Enlighten this chap!!
I hope this was helpful. 8-)
>Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:11:01 -0700 >From: Buck Stodgers <stodgers@nations.net> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: BMS Parody >Message-ID: <34302774.6970@nations.net>
>Shifting, squirming, >My tummy keeps churning. >Grunting, groaning, >The pressure keeps on burning my hole.
Been there done that.
Bad memories of a nightmare gone by. 8-)
Crude yet delightful. Bravo!! 8-)
>Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 02:25:14 -0700 >From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>Oh, and I just wanted to say to all those that DONT like YNM, I think = its >an awesome song. When the chorus is about to hit, pause the CD and just >think about the different ways DT COULD have played it, and how they do. >If you look at it in that light, you may start to appreciate it more.
Agreed.
Who cares if it has radio appeal and was co written by Des Child. It's melodic, has a good hook and is very catchy. They need a radio single if they are going to be retained by Elektra. That is NOT a company that will tolerate low sales when alternative is selling like hotcakes.
I like the way James sings the opening lines of the song. It was a much different sound than I anticipated hearing but it was nice to hear that sort of variety introduced.
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 00:33:23 -0400 From: Richard Harris <fargo@brown.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: WHJY (94.1) played JLMB Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971005003323.006aea74@postoffice.brown.edu>
>....p0art of WHJY's anniversary show. Now if we could only get the station to >play BMS.... >
At 12:00 AM this morning they played JLMB!!!!!!!!!
--Rick
Cool HTML site of the Week: http://web-star.com/divine/wind.html
"Ugghh" --James LaBrie. from "You Not Me"
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Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 00:33:24 -0400 (EDT) From: sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Leviathan?? Message-ID: <199710050433.AAA17489@polaris.sju>
Does anyone know where or how I can get a hold of any Leviathan CD's? I have checked speciality stores as well as the big chains, but to no avail. Thanks
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Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 00:02:36 -0600 From: "Francesco Mescino" <f.mescino@som.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Top 5 of 97 Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971005000947.19b74d20@mail.som.com>
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 5. Peruvian Skies - DT 4. Superman's Dead - Our Lady Peace 3. Sign of the Times - Queensryche 2. Forty six & 2 - Tool 1. Almost Honest - Megadeth
* ROCK 103.5 Chicago rocks, but they need to throw in a little DT. Francesco <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 00:34:00 -0500 (CDT) From: john jens <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: YNM revisited Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.971005000605.9518A-100000@darkhorse.triad.net>
..or something.
On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Jon Kretschmer wrote:
| Oh, and I just wanted to say to all those that DONT like YNM, I think its | an awesome song. When the chorus is about to hit, pause the CD and just | think about the different ways DT COULD have played it, and how they do. | If you look at it in that light, you may start to appreciate it more.
i guess i would place myself in this catagory that does not like YNM. specificly because of what Jon pointed out: the chorus. i just find it lacking; too cheezy; wimpy; not there. in other words, it just doesnt *do* anything for me. i compare YNM to Innocence Faded, which i feel displays the same problem in the chorus. the verses absolutely kick in IF -some really great Myung lines in there; they're so-so in YNM. and if it wasnt for the verses and awesome jam at the end of IF, i wouldnt listen to it. i almost skip YNM, except that i *want* to give it a chance. whoever said that YNM doesnt sound like it "belongs" on FII, i'd almost agree.
plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. john
j j e n s @ s h e l l . w e b z o n e . n e t
s h e l l . w e b z o n e . n e t / ~ j j e n s /
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Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 01:43:15 -0400 From: Michael Pomerleau <michael_pomerleau@snet.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Jordan Rudess Web Page Message-ID: <343728F3.A75380A1@snet.net>
I dont know if any of you have visited the Jordan Rudess Web site (http://www.bway.net/~jordan)lately, but he has an excellent write up of the Millenium Project(or whatever its called) with Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci and the recording process.
I CAN NOT WAIT TO HEAR THIS - FIRST FII - NOW THIS!!!!!!
-- Michael Pomerleau
E-mail: (Home) michael_pomerleau@SNET.NET OR mpomerle@ct1.nai.net (Work) michael_pomerleau@adc.com
Visit My Home Page at http://w3.nai.net/~mpomerle
Who knows where the Cold Wind Blows... I ask my friends, but nobody knows... WHITESNAKE . . . 'Love ain't no Stranger'
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Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 02:03:48 -0400 From: JB <beamup@vt.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: sales and shits Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971005020348.007bcc20@mail.vt.edu>
>exactly what the subeject says. i've gotten a hold of an extra >copy of "The Silent Man" CD single, and i'm willing to sell to the >highest bidder. that's the way i work. don't like it? too bad. > > the bidding starts at $20. if interested, email me.
what?? I just saw the single at best buy last weekend (in Raleigh) for $8.99... There's still plenty of singles out for sale... I could see buying from you if it were less, but more? I'd rather support dream theater more, AND get the cheaper price!!!
>>Dream Theater have already released five CDs of their best songs - why >>do we need any more? > >Could this statement have possibly been calculated to kiss any more ass?
dude... I totally agree with what he said... there, IMO is no way you can do a *BEST OF* album with DT... there's just too many great things... plus, you figure when they write 2+ hours of material for an album, and only get to use just over 1 hour of it, it *IS* in a sense, a "best of" album... kissing ass? what's your problem?
>There was a massive stack of FII right next to the cashier, and FII was #22 >out of their top 25!!!!!! If that isnt an indication that people are >starting to really dig DT, I dont know what is. > >We didnt beat Boyz II Men or the Foo Fighters, but its a start ; )
dude, that's awesome!!!! I don't mind so much being behind Boyz II Men as I would someone like Bush or some group with NO musical talent... ( I don't like Boyz II Men, but I appreciate their musical talents)....
ok.. later all, Jason
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Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:24:51 +0300 (EET DST) From: op777@freenet.hut.fi (Olli-Pekka Komonen) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I met MAPE! (well.. and Derek and Mike too :) part 1/2 Message-ID: <199710050924.MAA03339@learnet.freenet.hut.fi>
It all began Thursday... phone rings and our another guitarist is there "DT will be LIVE tomorrow in JYRKI!!"(Finnish sucky music TV-program)
I say: "Really? I'll call Mape and ask if he knows more"
Mape doesn't know a thing.. he promises to find out
Mape calls and says there will be Portnoy and Petrucci
A heavy load of telephone using occurs :)
Friday: I go to school, spend 8 minutes on English exam, wait for our another guitarist to pick me up, an to Helsinki (capital of Finland where the sucky program is made) we leave...
We meet our other guitarist (brother of another:) at front of TV-studio, and decide to go buy some CDs, we go to place XXXX (promised not to reveal their name :) and ask if DT guys are coming there to sign CDs and stuff, the guy at counter says "No.. they were supposed to come, but they aren't, some management shit... but they are staying at Hotel XXXXX (a promise is a promise), but ya didn't get the info from us...)
To the hotel we walk, I march to the counter and ask the lady behind it the room number of Misters Petrucci and Portnoy, the lady finds "Portnoy... Mike... room 418" I say "Thank you"
To the room we go... nobody answers our multiple doorbell ringings!"
o we leave We decode to check the restaurant downstairs, there's no DT guys ther either, the lady there tell us to check the Pub too, we go there and IT IS MIKE PORTN.. no.. it is some guy from kurdistania.. who has the exact voice of Mike P. and who is sitting next to Derek... and they are answering some questions by some long haired guy I rush to get the another guitarist from lobby (the other was with me) we decide to be polite and wait until the interview ends. We see them giving away some CD-singles and try to guess which single it is.
I have my Awake flag with me, and I decide to show it to the guys :) Keepin it up for few seconds and Derek sees it.. He elbows Mike and tells him to "look at them" They both give us "thumbs up" and shout "yeah!"
part 2 to follow
op777
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Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:26:51 +0300 (EET DST) From: op777@freenet.hut.fi (Olli-Pekka Komonen) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I met MAPE! (well.. and Derek and Mike too :) part 2/2 Message-ID: <199710050926.MAA07405@learnet.freenet.hut.fi>
We notice the interview has is at the beginnig of the end.. and we approach the guys, before we say anything Mike greets us "Wassup guys?"
I say something like "Dt is the best band in universe EVER blah blah :)" and ask if they could sign some stuff for us... "yeah sure!"
We take our DT stuff (lots of it) and they guys sign it :) While chattin I got some news, I hope these are really new and haven't been posted earlier:
-They said they will return to USA, Finland was the last place on their promo tour, and first thing ther they will shoot a video to Hollow Years (MP said himself that it sounds like Sting, and Anna Lee too)
-Where Are You Now will possibly be released as B-side (woohoo!)
-They will be touring Australia this time, but I dunno when.
-Finland in March :)
I give Derek pic I have made and he goes "WOW.. Mike's gonna love this! You just gotta give this to him!" (I am not telling you what kinda pic.. am I mean or what :)
Derek gives Mike the pic, Mike loves it :) I express my desire of trading the pic to the single they were giving away, and I get the last copy of Mike's Hollow Years single... the cover will be on my page next week.
Mike says he'd want to have a bigger version of the pic to frame it and hang on the wall. Mike gives me his street address. (No, I won't post it to jam :)
We BS some and they sign a lots of our stuff, then they hafta leave to get ready for the TV- show, we shake hands and say goodbye.
Back to the TV-studio where we find multiple DT fans waiting to see their idols... We brag with our meeting with they guys :)
Some more guys approach us and one of them shouts "KOOMMMOOONNEEENN" "Hi Mape..." More ytsejam fellas arrive (hi tenze, satu, hotti, marvin, karri etc.)
Mike and Derek arrive, they sign few autographs and go inside the studio where we aren't ' allowed to go :( 'Cuz we are in Helsinki by train we hafta leave, we wave to jammers and go to have some food before the train leaves. As we eat and our other guitarist tries to assure us (himself included) that I am not so lucky for having HY single, "'cuz soon you can buy it anywhere for $8" I take a closer look to the single and the magic words "Promotion copy. Not for sale" struck my eyes :)
OK that was the story of how I met Mike and Derek.. ther will be some pics and sounds on my page soon..
op777
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