YTSEJAM Digest 3077
Today's Topics:
1) Hollow Years, tour
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
2) Dream Theater tour dates: NJ, NY, PA
by "Marshaleck, Joseph T." <K4HB@Maristb.MARIST.EDU>
3) Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> wishes to contact you on the ICQ Network.
by ICQ Account <icq@icq.com>
4) Contacting DT?
by Jeremy Aaron Smith <js013b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
5) UNCLASSIFIED:-The Priest Is Back ?
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
6) Re: Paul Cashman's most
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
7) Re: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> wishes to contact you on
by Eckie <eckie@asu.edu>
8) Re: DT concert gatherings web site
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
9) NDTC
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
10) Quarky timing & Frickin VT radio
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
11) Live In Tokyo...
by djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
12) ITALY: the prog nation !
by "Luca Benni (studente 150 ore)" <>
13) YEEEEHA!! DreamServer online!
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
14) ANGRA Mailing List
by Marco Nuno da Silva Goncalves <i23039@caravela.di.fc.ul.pt>
15) Is Olli out there ?
by "Luke B." <slslb@winshop.com.au>
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:42:48 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Hollow Years, tour
Message-ID: <19971006174237.AAA1623@sni.pananet.com>
I learned HY today on guitar, but the chords in the intro still don't seem
to sound right, so if any music mofo out there knows it already, lemme know
if this is what ya got:
Dm Dm/C Gsus2 Gm7/(Bb) A/(Bb) Dm Am7
That first Dm, I thought it was a Dm7, but when I play it, it just didn't
sound right.
And the Bb's are in paranthesis because they're only played by the bass.
Now about the tour...I just find it extremely odd. Something tells me
there's going to be a lot rescheduling. I mean, from what ppl have said, it
seems these places are simply too small for DT. Didn't somebody say one of
the clubs had like a capacity of 300? Puh-leez, DT can fill up a larger
venue than that. Do the guys even know what's goin' on? Maybe they haven't
been informed since theyre on that promo tour and stuff.
Ernesto
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 00:24:05 EDT
From: "Marshaleck, Joseph T." <K4HB@Maristb.MARIST.EDU>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dream Theater tour dates: NJ, NY, PA
Message-ID: <07OCT97.00433651.0033.MUSIC@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU>
When is DT coming to any of these places. Let me know. I am dying to
find out.
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:35:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: ICQ Account <icq@icq.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> wishes to contact you on the ICQ Network.
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:43:29 -0400 (EDT)
Hey 'jammers,
I have the opportunity to write an article for my school's newspaper
Jeremy
P.S. This came about because, a couple of weeks ago, I asked our paper's
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:13:06 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-The Priest Is Back ?
Message-ID: <4A256529.001BBD97.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
I can't say that the news of a new JP album is exactly earth shattering for
me, after all the delays and the years that have passed by since their last
studio album 'Painkiller', my question is does anyone really care in 1997
about Priest ?
Sure I'll give it a listen, it will be interesting to see if they can come
up with a new sounding metal album for the 90's.
Let's hope it isn't a rehash of some of their earlier efforts, it will be
different hearing Priest without Halford.
BTW what is 'ol leather lungs up to these days ?
Let's hope there is some life in the old dinosaur's yet !
gRaham_
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:08:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Paul Cashman's most
Message-ID: <199710070508.AA15661@crl.crl.com>
Yep, I'm the, err, hostess with the mostest.. :)
> Paul, You made me wanna post something I was thinking about
> since the night before.
Did you get any sleep AT ALL? Get a life, duder. :)
> Everyone here is waiting to hear Metropolis Part 2, correct?
> Of course, who wouldn't want to. It's THE most anticipated DT
> song right now. The way I see it, is that, Paul is right it
> comes down to money and the reason there is no tour is
> probably also because the label just doesn't see any cash ops
> in it.
More likely, they don't see the potential. What really fuckin' slays
me is that they will -probably- draw audiences at least as big as on
the Awake tour, yet they're playing cesspits and garderobes. I saw
them at the State Theater in downtown Detroit (and escaped with my
life), a great venue with a good-sized crowd. Two balconies; it
looked like it was 80% sold out. Call it c. 4,000 people. Where are
they playing this time in Detroit? Apparently somewhere smaller.....
> Well, if DT was smart, and we all know they are, don't
> bother recording it. Put out another EP, get a new label (I
> believe they just have 1 more recording to do then they are
> free from all contract obligations) Give the new label the
> song, well, don't GIVE them the song but record it and then
> that basically tells the current label "Ha, we screwed you
> over". So, theres that little logical bit, why record Met 2
> under Elektra, thats what elektra is waiting for. At least get
> a label that can do some good for the band.
Easier said than done. Sure, someone like Metal Blade or Roadrunner
might like them, but they don't have the moxie (read: money) that
Elektra has IF THEY WANT TO COMMIT IT.
An example of What Money Can Buy: we've been talking about the nice
coverage DT got in METAL EDGE. What? Did you think the magazine did
that out of the goodness of their hearts? Out of a sense of duty to
the prog movement? Hardly! The reason for the coverage is on page 7....
> As for touring, do what Iced Earth does, do it yourself.
Might work if Jammers in individual cities could help with promotion,
getting the word out, scouting venues, etc. But who pays for the
radio ads? Etc..... Hint: if ya buy radio ads for a show and offer
free goodies to the station, they JUST might add your song for a few spins.
--
+-- I know it's easier to walk away than look it in the eye.... ---+
| I would raise a shelter to the sky... (Dream Theater, |
| And here beneath this star tonight I lie.... "Surrounded") |
+-- Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com http://www.crl.com/~vanyel --+
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 23:15:59 -0700
From: Eckie <eckie@asu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> wishes to contact you on
Message-ID: <3439D39E.BE4B31B5@asu.edu>
Alan MUST DIE!!!!
~Eckie didn't need that, did you?
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 97 01:55:33 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: mgjones@Mcs.Net, syrinx@mindspring.com, cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT concert gatherings web site
Message-ID: <3439dce44dbc002@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
Some people have mailed me saying that they can't get into the site. I checked
into it, and it turns out the FTP server was having trouble when I uploaded the
files. I've re-uplaoaded them, and it should all be working fine. Sorry about
the delay.
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771/dt.html
-Brian
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"I may have wasted all those years, but they're not worth their time in tears."
-John Myung of Dream Theater
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:07:41 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: NDTC
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-971007070741Z-37474@ms.Kallback.com>
FYI
If you like Artension (page down, Rick), thier vocalist John West just
came
out with a solo cd called John West's Mind Journey. It's on Shrapnel and
features Shrapnel solo artist George Bellas on guitar, Barry Sparks
(Malmsteen,
MSG) on bass, drummer Mike Terrana (Malmsteen, MacAlpine) and
keyboardist
Matt Guillory (?).
IMO it's pretty good with lots of neo-classical (barouque), odd time
sigs and
noodling guitar and keyboard solos. I think the average Jammer would
like it.
(Not you stuck-up, elitist Yste-snobs. You know who you are.) :)
Trevor
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 02:35:19 -0400
From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Quarky timing & Frickin VT radio
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971007023519.007b9d90@mail.vt.edu>
2 things... first on a lighter note... looked at the song listing (for FII
as of a year ago...), now of course some of the songs aren't on there, but
for the one's that are... the time has gone down in every case....
Song Original time FII time
TAMP (6:35) (6:03)
YNM (5:55) (4:59)
AL (6:35) (5:52)
BMS (9:00) (5:29)
LitS (13:40) (12:05)
JLMB (5:15) (5:29)
now I can understand the BMS (Hell's kitchen spawning), but it just makes
you wonder how much the label made them "trim the ...." well, I was going
to say trim the fat, but I doubt that applies, since DT said it was
"finished" at the time (with those playing times)... probably more like
"trim the Grade A beef!!"... anyway, for metropolis2, I'd like to see some
of those songs which were pushed off FII for an EP... i.e. Raise the Knife,
Where are you Now, and The Way it Used to Be, plus a few others here and
there...
*******SECOND... This part pisses me off....**********
Seems that the musically inept program director here at WUVT (Va Tech
radio) has come to an amazing revelation... that Progressive Rock/metal has
no place on the VT radio... yep, after 3 shows, I've been cancelled
because, "what you play doesn't fit right with the station as a whole"...
WTF??? First off, I was given this show in an "open disc" format
(basically whatever you want... we have people using it for Cultrual music,
rap, alternative, metal, etc.), yet playing prog doesn't fit in with these
OPEN times... (I've been playing DT (of course), Rush, Savatage, Fates
Warning, Satch, Vai, Johnson, Genesis, Yes, Nouveaux, etc.), been doing my
(required) rotations (of crappy music) to schedule... just so something
like this wouldn't happen (don't want to give em an excuse)... Second, I'm
playing it at 2 in the morning... a time when only Prog listeners are awake
to care.... I've been a DJ for over 6 years now, and have never had any
sh!+ like this happen before... time to go back to some real radio (i.e.
my 5 disc changer). JLMB reatlly applies here.
I'll post the guy's email as soon as I get it.. then maybe y'all can help
me get my slot back (or an even better one... 2-4 am's not reaching many,
AND I **DO** have classes in the morning!!! :) Plus a few hundred emails
in his box might make me feel better.
Pissed off at the fu**ing program director (who I have never seen move from
the chair he sloths/oozes in at the station in the hours that I'm there)...
Later,
Jason
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Jason Brindel
Computer Engineering '97
Virginia Tech
beamup@vt.edu
http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/beamup
(540)961-7262
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 09:02:35 -0800
From: djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Live In Tokyo...
Message-ID: <9710078762.AA876211755@smtpgate.walker.com>
Hi,
Got the Live In Tokyo Video last night - just slightly awesome! It's
good that half the songs aren't listed on the cover - made it much
more enjoyable.
Wifey got rather excited and tried to work out what she's gonna wear
when we see them - I'm gonna be gutted if they don't come to the UK.
Tour dates anyone?
Dave (a UK Jammer).
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:22:20 +0100 (BST)
From: "Luca Benni (studente 150 ore)" <>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ITALY: the prog nation !
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.94.971007095616.16803E-100000@gauss.dipmat.unipg.it>
Yes, in Italy many good bands that play progressive metal or only
progressive.
I'm DJ in a small radio station (my program is called RADIO ALTERNATIVE)
and some labels and bands send me promo stuff and so I listen many prog
bands... do you want some names ??
COERCIVE (only one incredible demo)
ELDRITCH (you know, isn't it ?)
SKYLARK (I see good reviews in Italy. They are with UNDERGROUND SYMPHONY,
a great italian label that have in the catalogue also a good double CD
compilation with many italian prog & power metal bands)
MYSTERY DE NOTRE DAME ( techno prog metal ) !!
ARKHE' (like D.T. sound ! They are with U. SYMPHONY)
EXAWATT (my band !! true progressive metal !!!)
GOLEM (a great "died" band !!!)
TIME MACHINE (strange guitar sound but good !! Last Ep is the best !!)
NOVA MALA STRANA (old influences)
RHAPSODY (they are with LMP Management, the manager of Angra and others.
Filippo from LUCRETIA RECORDS will send me a promo and he tell me that
they are great !!)
and other bands that I forgot (about 10/12 !!!!)
These bands are young, but if you want we have also some great progressive
bands in '70 !!!
If anyone want some material, we can trade with other good bands or I can
dub you some tapes !!! My address is
If anyone want to send me some promo stuff for my radio my address is:
LUCA BENNI,
via dei GERANI, 10
06019 - UMBERTIDE (ITALY)
(I also write reviews and interviews for some italian zines !)
BYE BYE !!!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 01:39:53 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YEEEEHA!! DreamServer online!
Message-ID: <199710070839.BAA19961@goodnet.com>
Well, it's a glorious day in CD-Land. The Dream Server "Rand" is now up
and running, and CD production has never been so fast. My regular system
"Mat" is cranking as always, and I'm netting on the laptop, "Perrin". Got
me some blanks, got me some time... shit, I'm gonna run out of liners
before I can even finish out tomorrow's run. :) double 4x4 burners means
Mike shall be catching up in the very near future. Take care all!!
Also got the 3" Japanese CD bonus of FII. The TAMP demo is much
heavier than the final song, and has full metal-style drumming rather than
the Latino beat on the album version. It's also too slow. I like both
versions for their own sakes, but the album version, even if the only
difference were the stunning solo, takes the prize. Also "Speak to Me"
isn't _bad_, but it's weak compared to the FII crop. I can tell why they
left it off. Still well worth the listen, both of them, if they ever
release the BMS single so it can be had for cheap.
-Mikey
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:21:35 +0000 (WET)
From: Marco Nuno da Silva Goncalves <i23039@caravela.di.fc.ul.pt>
To: DT mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ANGRA Mailing List
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.971007102029.22720B-100000@caravela.di.fc.ul.pt>
Hello everybody.
Anyone can tell me if there is any Angra Mailing list.
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:13:14 +1000
From: "Luke B." <slslb@winshop.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Is Olli out there ?
Message-ID: <343A0B3A.6370@winshop.com.au>
I am to believe that someone named Olli posted on the Jam a message that
appeared Oct 5th about DT touring in Australia.
If 'Olli' is out there and sees this post then could he mail me
privately with all the info available on DT touring Australia.
OR, if anyone knows anything about DT touring in Australia, then could
they foward me any info.
Thanks,
Luke - (A devoted Aussie DT fan).
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From: Jeremy Aaron Smith <js013b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Contacting DT?
Message-ID: <199710070443.AAA25198@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
covering the October 29 Toronto Dream Theater show. Does anyone know the
specifics of getting touch with DT's management (Focus, I believe) for press
passes, tickets, etc.? If so, please e-mail me back at
js013b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu with any info you have. I'll keep everyone
posted as to what happens. Thanks in advance!
features editor to list FII in the upcoming releases box, but he said he'd
never heard of DT before. When I told him tonight that they debuted at #52
in the U.S. and much higher in other countries, and that they were touring
soon, he thought it might make for a good article. I'm keeping my fingers
crossed. :) Just wish they were coming to Rochester, so I wouldn't have to
travel for 3-4 hours to see them.
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