YTSEJAM Digest 3073
Today's Topics:
1) new ystejammer from Alaska
by gwyn <jodi@ptialaska.net>
2) WRIF.
by Craig Maloney <craig@ic.net>
3) Disappointed!
by the great wazoo <jerry@muc.de>
4) Re: Show listing, tour dates, who's going where, etc.
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
5) Diary of a man's frustration...
by Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
6) MTV's "12 Angry Viewers"
by <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
7) re: DT mix tapes
by <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
8) Ray Mansarek
by A P Longley <ap7032@qmw.ac.uk>
9) Who wants to trade???? &&& When is DT coming to CANADA???
by Nicolas Drouin <Nicolas_Drouin@UQAH.UQuebec.CA>
10) Backing vocals and schtuff
by "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@ontheair.com>
11) Petrucci in guitar mags
by "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@ontheair.com>
12) Re: Petrucci in guitar mags
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
13) Re: MTV's "12 Angry Viewers"
by "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
14) RE: Petrucci in Guitar?
by "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com>
15) DT concert attendance listing
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
16) B2M, JP
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
17) FII, Kevin Shirley, Petrucci Clinic Video
by Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu>
18) Upcoming shows
by The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
19) JP in GW
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 02:05:34 -0800
From: gwyn <jodi@ptialaska.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: new ystejammer from Alaska
Message-ID: <199710061005.CAA11710@ptialaska.net>
Wowwww!!!! I did'nt realize how many ytsejam digests I was sent. I checked
out the official DT web page once and saw the e-mail list. This was my
friends computer(gwyn) so I asked her to check it for me. A couple days
later we got about 15 ytsejam digests and only got to read it for about a
half an hour, then I had to take off. The next day I was sent about another
12 or so, and didn't know were to start writing back. There is so much
awsome shit!! here. I didn't find DT until COS, but I first heard I&W and
got hooked. I realy have to thank my friend Thor for showing me what I've
been mising out on. I never heard a band who's members were all musically
talented to perfection.
After listening to I&W, Thor showed DT's live in Tokyo. I couldn't believe
what I was seeing. When I first heard DT, I heard them on the radio. To me
Dream Theater sounded like another group like poison,since at the time I was
into only heavy stuff like MegaDeth and Metalica. Dream Theater definately
didn't sound heavy. When I heard Awake (which is my favorite album of all),
that prooved to me there were heavy, especially the Mirror. FII is way
different now that Kevin Moore is not there(bummer deal man), I never
thought that keyboard could sound like the way he makes it. Kevin is the
man. I play guitar and DT realy opened my eyes to what I like in music,
they gave me a new horizon of possibilities. Thank you Dream Theater, and
all you ytsejammers every where.
Matt Castillo,
new ytsejammer from Alaska
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:05:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Craig Maloney <craig@ic.net>
To: YtseJam List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: WRIF.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971006070022.22262B-100000@bullwinkle>
>The WRIF, Detroit's "Real Rock Station" (uh-huh) has no clue. I call
>very frequently and finally decided to stop because every time I asked
>for DT, they told me they have NONE in the station. None as in ANY of
>their
>albums. I find that sad considering that in their hey-day of being an
>excellent station, they played the shit out of PMU and UAGM back in 1992.
>When Awake came out, they played CIAW for a week...nice.
Any station which puts priority on Drew and Mike, and their Web Site seems
incapable of playing anything remotely as classy as Dream Theater. :)
| Craig Maloney | We are all interested in the future |
| craig@ic.net | for that is where we will spend the |
| http://ic.net/~craig | rest of our lives. -Criswell (Plan 9) |
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:46:32 +0200
From: the great wazoo <jerry@muc.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Disappointed!
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971006144632.0069c160@mail.muc.de>
Hi there,
I'm rather disappointed in the ytsejam...
I didn't receive a single response to my Trial of Tears - Bladerunner
interpretation... No message of consent nor the awaited "shut up dumbass
you don't have a clue" mail.
What's up with you guys?
read you - jerry :--)
NP: Clawfinger - Clawfinger
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Andreas Schaefer jerry@muc.de
...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 08:49:15 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Show listing, tour dates, who's going where, etc.
Message-ID: <199710061249.IAA11463@tx.cs.wm.edu>
> How about a listing of which 'jammers will be attending which concerts in
> the next few months? Once we get some better idea of the tour dates (which
> start in just a week or two), we could have people submit their name, e-mail
> address, city of residence, and the shows they're attending. That way, we
> could find each other before/during/after the shows in selected cities of
> our choosing to hang out, etc.
This isn't a bad idea, but I have an idea that is less complicated, and proven
to work:
1) Buy a Ytsejam t-shirt if you don't already have one. See Pat Griffin.
2) Wear it (or an old one) to the show.
3) Watch the Jam for any pre-show party info.
4) AFTER THE SHOW IS OVER, DON'T LEAVE. Go hang out in front of the stage,
and other Jammers will find you and strike up a conversation.
5) *Now* decide what to do before the next show, so that everyone can meet up
in the same place (and *not* the Fantasia diner! Oh, and make sure the place
you choose still exists! :)
Enjoy the shows, everyone!
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:15:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
To: DT Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Diary of a man's frustration...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971006080132.22641A-100000@SOUND.SCC.NET>
Okay, here I sit, paging through Jams and Jams looking for that final
piece of information that will make my life complete - a tour date for
the Minneapolis area. The closes I've gotten - Chicago, Nov. 1
Then I hear about an LA tour date on November 15th.
So somewhere in there they pass through my town. Do they stop and
actually play a gig here? Who knows.
But here's my complaint - FOR GOD'S SAKE PEOPLE, WE'RE THE JAM, AREN'T WE?
Why must we resort to "Checking the Ticketmaster Web Page" to find out
when our favorite band plays???
Isn't it true that a few among us know how to get in contact with the
band? Isn't it true that a few among us regularly talk to 'Da boyz? And
isn't it true that one among us is in fact MIKE PORTNOY'S PERSONAL
MASSEUSE????? (It could happen.)
My point is that if anywhere in the world there should be a group of
people that know what the fuck Dream Theater's tour dates are, it should
be us, right? And yet we don't. Why is this?
It just amazes me that Ticketbastard is finding out these dates before
us - we the loyal fans!!!
So here's my plea - if you happen to be the person that knows how to get
in touch with the band or their management or their label, please try and
save us all a lot of hassle and try to dig up the whole tour schedule.
PLLLLLEEEEEAAAAASSSSEEEEE??????
That way, I don't have to plan digging up some car-poolers with me here
and make a huge-ass 6-hour roadtrip to Chicago when suddenly a week before
Ticketwanker suddenly decides to post "Minneapolis - November 6th" or
something to that effect.
We are the Jam. We are strong. We shall not succumb to the will of
Ticketspanker!!!!!
Note: The above Minneapolis tour date is fictional. Any relationship to
a real date is purely coincidental.
Thank you for your time.
- Dr. Teeth
P.S. I have yet to see Dream Theater Live.
P.S.S. I REFUSE to let the pass by without me catching a glimpse!!!!!
P.S.S.S. Midwesterners - are ya with me? Say "Hell Yeah!"
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 97 9:13:27 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: MTV's "12 Angry Viewers"
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+hDCCoA@tcx.tcco.com>
Does anyone know how the new MTV show, "12 Angry Viewers" decides on the songs
that they review? I caught the end of the show the other day and I think the
video that they like the most gets on heavy rotation. Maybe we can get
"Burning My Soul" on there!
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 97 9:21:41 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: DT mix tapes
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+,KCCoA@tcx.tcco.com>
>All this talk about DT mix tapes got me to thinking,
>and I decided to create one for the car. It's a 100-
>minute tape, and so far Side 1 is done.
I just throw five CDs into my system, select random and record 2-3 tapes
worth. The secret is not to listen as it records so you can enjoy the
"randomness" (???) of the tapes.
Hmm....better yet, I should look into buying a CD-changer for my car...
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:02:04 +0000
From: A P Longley <ap7032@qmw.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ray Mansarek
Message-ID: <7A7A9B4FC0@qmwcc5.qmw.ac.uk>
Has anyone else noted the DS riff at 2:00 in PS (only a couple of
notes long). That sound comes straight out of the Doors' Riders on
the Storm -cool.
What do you keyboard fanatics think of Mansarek incidentally (sorry
if this is old ground)?
Later,__
Adrian.
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:24:42 -0400
From: Nicolas Drouin <Nicolas_Drouin@UQAH.UQuebec.CA>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Who wants to trade???? &&& When is DT coming to CANADA???
Message-ID: <199710061424.KAA18080@janus.UQAH.UQuebec.CA>
Hello, who would like to trade some boot videos, have lots to offer!
When the f... is DT coming to CANADA (lots of fans here too ...)
Im in the process of making my Best of DT 2 cds wow!!!
Has anyone heard of a band called Artension (are they good, DT style)?
Nick
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:51:04 -0600
From: "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@ontheair.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Backing vocals and schtuff
Message-ID: <01bcd267$4588f800$eae72581@tbaddley.ibm.net>
>Also, does anyone know, or have a list of, who sings back ups on which
>songs? I want to listen for JP and MP's voices, but Im not sure where to
>listen. Im pretty sure they sing on BMS, but Im not sure.
I don't know about the rest of the songs, but on BMS you have MP doing the
low, almost whispered part, and JP and DS using voice boxes. They said they
couldn't get JM to stick a tube in his mouth. The verdict is still out on
whether this is where the monks are singing (chanting?). Most of the
backing vocals that I can hear on the rest of the album sound like layers
James (not that this is a bad thing). I'd like to see a list too.
One other thing...is it driving anyone else nuts that you can't make out 90%
of the samples on this CD? I really like the "step right up, folks" line in
JLMB...but that is the ONLY one that I can make out...even with
headphones....Oh, and the processed vocal at the beginning of BMS (sounds
like they're saying "BMS" rather than "FII" to me). I guess I got pretty
spoiled by Awake, and it's very understandable samples.
Also, I've seen several people post that JM was using a 10-string Chapman
Stick...JP said in his clinic that John actually used a 12-String Stick.
Keep 'jammin' !
Tom Baddley
Current favorite DT song to make cars next to you look over: JLMB (with
volume @ 11)
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:58:15 -0600
From: "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@ontheair.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Petrucci in guitar mags
Message-ID: <01bcd268$4612cc00$eae72581@tbaddley.ibm.net>
I guess the Guitar World that contains the interview with JP just came out
last week. It's the magazine that he is going to be doing the monthly
column for (again). The Guitar (for Practicing Musicians) issue is out as
well, and has a rather short interview with everyone ( -DS ) with NO
transcriptions for any DT songs. What a bummer! I would really like to
see FII transcribed soon!
Tom
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 11:15:47 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Petrucci in guitar mags
Message-ID: <199710061515.LAA22125@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> transcriptions for any DT songs. What a bummer! I would really like to
> see FII transcribed soon!
Yeah, but the tabbers have gotten so complacent doing Bush and Oasis songs
that they've forgotten how to tab out stuff that tab was invented for in the
first place. :)
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 11:24:25 -0400
From: "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: MTV's "12 Angry Viewers"
Message-ID: <343902A8.516A7916@caribe.net>
Chung Ng wrote:
> Does anyone know how the new MTV show, "12 Angry Viewers" decides on the songs
> that they review? I caught the end of the show the other day and I think the
> video that they like the most gets on heavy rotation. Maybe we can get
> "Burning My Soul" on there!
-- we would need to get all jammers calling at the same time or something.. (i dont know how the show works) because i can just imagine how the average eMpTyV viewer would treat a DT songIn the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Petrucci in Guitar? Message-ID: <19971006161027.AAA1449@localHost>
Yes the new Guitar w/ JP in it is out, I got it last night. Good article. No Transcriptions though.
Ytse on,
eD
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 97 11:30:52 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT concert attendance listing Message-ID: <3439123723ed513@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
> Just a thought for someone with a little spare time and some extra web > space: > > How about a listing of which 'jammers will be attending which concerts in > the next few months?
I'll be happy to provide this at:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771
I'll set it up at some point today with a form where you can enter name, email, home location, and concert dates you're interested in. Then people can check it and email those that they wish to. Sound good? Any suggestions welcome!
-Brian
******************************************************************************** "I may have wasted all those years, but they're not worth their time in tears." -John Myung of Dream Theater ********************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 97 11:31:19 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: B2M, JP Message-ID: <3439125223ed535@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
> JB wrote: > > ( I don't like Boyz II Men, but I appreciate their musical talents).... > > What talent? > > But really, Boyz II Men have a musical talent like Coolio have one...
I gotta admit, I still love Boyz II Men's first album...they can sing. I don't really like the newer stuff, though.
> Agh, have you ever noticed that JP can mean four great musicians: Jimmy > Pland , John Petrucci, Jaco > Pastorius and John Patitucci...
And Jimmy Page...
-Brian
******************************************************************************** "I may have wasted all those years, but they're not worth their time in tears." -John Myung of Dream Theater ********************************************************************************
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Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 00:56:35 -0400 From: Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FII, Kevin Shirley, Petrucci Clinic Video Message-ID: <01BCD260.C4BC4F20@ppp-16-nerdc-ts14.nerdc.ufl.edu>
Hello Ytsejammers!
I am finally back on the list again after moving back to college. To = all the ordered the video of the John Petrucci Clinic in Orlando, I hope = you like it! :) My friend and I went through a lot of trouble to make = copies available, so once again, Enjoy! However, out of the 80+ = responses from those that wanted the tape, about twelve actually = purchased one :( Maybe it was the cash only deal. If we had the luxury = of duplicating these tapes overseas, we would have accepted anything. Anyway, I finally obtained a copy of FII!!! The day I went to get it = at Spec's (release date), I was shocked (or glad actually! ) to hear = that they were all sold out!! This happened at the other Spec's store = too! DT actually lives here at the University of Florida!! I really liked the album A LOT!! It is the most inovative of albums I = have heard in quite a while! I really liked it that Dream Theater = matured in their playing. It sounds very professional and trully = progressive. Progressive is not just playing 56/16 time signatures and = every scale imaginable. It is about being innovative and the best of = the best for your time. They have done it once again! During the Clinic, John Petrucci said he really liked working with = Kevin Shirley. All of this new material IS Dream Theater, NOT Kevin = Shirley! DT had all of these new ideas and he helped make them a = reality. For instance, "Take Away My Pain" was origianlly a backwards = ass 80's sounding ballad. Shirley suggested a world beat to bring out = the true feeling of the sound, and there you have it!
DT rules!
Daus Studenberg
BTW, my friend and I were discussing the true meaning of a progressive = band and we cited that Yes was the best of Rock and DT was the best of = Metal. See what i mean? A true progressive band is the best of its = genre with innovation. Well now we have = techno/industrial/ambiet/electronic becoming popular. Are there any = progressive bands of this genre? This should be the next step IMO. If = you know of anybands like this, please let me know. I am REALLY = interested in a progressive Techno band.
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:38:16 -0500 (CDT) From: The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Upcoming shows Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971006133748.2074F-100000@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>
Remeber all you ytsejammers: with the tour coming up, wear your ytsejam t-shirt so we can all meet each other sometime before/during/after the show.
On a side note: my friend informed me that at 10:50pm last night (Sunday), Rock 103.5 played Burning My Soul and mentioned the upcoming show! So anyone in the Chicago are should call and request this song to no end! They've given us the go! The number is (312) 591-4600.
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 14:42:09 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu> To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: JP in GW Message-ID: <01IOHN83PRYQ9OE7G9@alma.edu>
>collective musicianship, and even goes so far as to try to get Petrucci to >say that their former style is immature. The real heartbreak in this is >that Petrucci actually says it. I don't know about you, but as a >musician, I felt about 1 inch tall reading that. To think that a >musician's musician said, on record, that more technique = immature and >less technique = mature makes me very sad. Also confusing is that the >article goes on to talk about a possible future Dream Theater project is >the most insane, most complicated thing they've ever done. Why go >backward if you've become so "mature?"
This was upsetting to me as well. I read the interview in a store a couple of weeks ago, and I almost posted about it then, but since I didn't buy the magazine and I didn't read it that carefully I decided not to say anything for fear of misrepresenting what was actually said. This, however, is exactly what I remember as well. I also thought it was hypocritical of JP to say that their old stuff was immature, and then to say that Met II was the most insane thing they had ever written. He said something almost exactly like "it's in the spirit of the original Metropolis". Would that be the "immature" spirit that he's talking about? The thing that pissed me off the most, though, was how they came on the subject of Metropolis II. The interviewer asked him if he thought that some of the old fans would be dissapointed that the new album was a little more straightforward, or something like that, and JP's response was (I'm paraphrasing, but this is very close), "Well, maybe a little, but for those people, we'll be releasing METROPOLIS II sometime ...yadda yadda" . "Those People"? Would that be, as in, those people who like immature music like DT used to make? I was a pretty put off by the whole article. If anyone has it, they might consider doing us all a favor and posting it; it was really quite short and I think most people would find it to be relevant. Just a thought, though. At the very least, someone could post these sections in question, to make sure I've got my facts straight. -Clark
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