YTSEJAM Digest 3076
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Paul Cashman's most
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
2) It's A Miracle!
by "Chad Allen Klunck" <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>
3) Sleepers and Hell's Kitchen
by "Chad Allen Klunck" <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>
4) DT in Detroit
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
5) Welcome to my thought process!(bwah ha ha)
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
6) Re: tour dates,.....
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
7) quickie
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3075
by Visker <jlvskr@dordt.edu>
9) DT concert gatherings web site
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
10) italian bands
by "Emiliano " <emaiello@rm.mware.it>
11) Re: Terry Bozzio also
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
12) ...oops...
by Visker <jlvskr@dordt.edu>
13) Re: JP in GW
by Eckie <eckie@asu.edu>
14) Re: Upcoming Tour
by Eckie <eckie@asu.edu>
15) Blackened Time Sigs - dissected
by "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
16) Anybody????????????
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
17) New Judas Priest this weekend (fwd, NDTC)
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com
18) Prog/Genesis
by "Brown, Neal Patrick" <W059@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:35:33 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Paul Cashman's most
Message-ID: <199710062342.QAA10164@ktk1.SMARTT.COM>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 10/06/97 2:21pm -0700
Paul, You made me wanna post something I was thinking about
since the night before.
Everyone here is waiting to hear Metropolis Part 2, correct?
Of course, who wouldn't want to. It's THE most anticipated DT
song right now. The way I see it, is that, Paul is right it
comes down to money and the reason there is no tour is
probably also because the label just doesn't see any cash ops
in it. Well, if DT was smart, and we all know they are, don't
bother recording it. Put out another EP, get a new label (I
believe they just have 1 more recording to do then they are
free from all contract obligations) Give the new label the
song, well, don't GIVE them the song but record it and then
that basically tells the current label "Ha, we screwed you
over". So, theres that little logical bit, why record Met 2
under Elektra, thats what elektra is waiting for. At least get
a label that can do some good for the band.
As for touring, do what Iced Earth does, do it yourself.
Pauls post - part of it, just for referrence.
DT's label apparently hasn't "paid off" (ahem, wink wink nudge
nudge) 96rock's airplay consultants, hence 96rock acts all
dumb when you call. It's an act, of course; the deejays I
know there would love to play DT. I'm sure their label will
act all innocent when the subject of Atlanta airplay comes up.
It all comes down to money, folks, and where best to apply it.
Mark Smeets/Stranger0/HTML Guild Member
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The fifty-second floor
Icarus would know
A Mountain isn't too far to fall
When you've Fallin' from the Moon - Marillion, Brave - Fallin' from the Moon
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:47:52 -0500
From: "Chad Allen Klunck" <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: It's A Miracle!
Message-ID: <199710062346.SAA27604@omega.uta.edu>
Holy fucking shit...you guys will never believe this.
Elektra has updated the DT page! I shit you not! :)
http://www.elektra.com/metal_club/dream/dream.html
And guess what? They spelled the name WRONG in the title bar of the
browser. Imaging that...OFB can't even get their record label to spell the
damn name right! There's lots of misinformation (e.g. the discography only
lists 3 albums, the newsgroup address is still arastar, etc.), but there's a
few cute group pics of the guys. Be sure to check out the "A little bit
about us", as it's like an interview and the label's only serious attempt to
say anything (nice) at all about the boys.
Elektra (as if we didn't know it already) is obviously pushing for YNM to
become a "hit", as they refer to it when describing songs: "from the
ominous thunder of the LP's opener, "New Millennium," to the pop polish of
"You Not Me". Pop polish, huh? Is that like a soda & a dog at the
ballgame? :)
This just confirms my suspicions about Elektra...they are run by Illuminati
who are planning initial public offerings of Bush and Oasis in the near
future.
Chad
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:49:49 -0500
From: "Chad Allen Klunck" <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Sleepers and Hell's Kitchen
Message-ID: <199710062348.SAA27105@omega.uta.edu>
Got a question for all you movie buffs:
Is the track "Hell's Kitchen" on the soundtrack to Sleepers the same as (or
similar to) FII? Is it even by DT? I've got a friend who saw the movie,
and said "Did you know Dream Theater did a song in the movie?" I would
assume that she must have seen their name in the credits, as she knows I
like DT, but wouldn't have known the name of a song, so I don't think she's
fucking with me. But who knows? :)
Chad
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:58:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: DT in Detroit
Message-ID: <01IOHYK8C22Q9ODBU3@alma.edu>
Well, tickets have been on sale for DT at St. Andrews since Saturday.
I just got tickets tonight, it's all general admission, and I forgot to ask
how many were left, so MI people should probably get tickets soon, since this
place is small. Oh, yeah, the show's on Oct 30. See some of you there.
-Clark
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:59:08 -0500 (EST)
From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Welcome to my thought process!(bwah ha ha)
Message-ID: <01IOHYKCQT3A000NFU@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
DT is a prog band, and the Genesis that Peter Gabriel left also was. Petey
went on to launch several back up singers to solo success, one of which is
Paula Cole, who's(whos? don't start!) guitarist uses....
A chapman stick! :)
josh
rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:52:29 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: tour dates,.....
Message-ID: <199710070052.UAA08471@ia.cs.wm.edu>
> As for the dates, don't we have contacts with the band on
> here? Don't we have a DT OFFICIAL web site? It's surprising
> that we have to hear from Ticketmaster and posters on the
> walls of venues to find out where these guys are playing...
I suppose that I count as a "contact" to the band. Mike has quite
understandably been far too busy to get to e-mail lately. As for the official
DT web page, I have no idea who's running it. I've sent mail to Josh Sager,
I've mailed them with their little mail form thingie, and no luck. They won't
update their FAQ mirror (it's dated March 1), they won't just link to the FAQ,
and they apparently have some aversion to letting us know when the tour dates
are. I've done what I can. Maybe someone else (Mike? Skadz? Neil?) can get
in touch with someone I can't and see what's up.
> Definitely disappointing..........
Agreed. I'm pretty upset that I have to learn about tour dates through TicketShafter -- and even then, apparently (Detroit) it's not complete info.
Bummin,
-d
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:59:30 -0400
From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
To: Delirium Tremens <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: quickie
Message-ID: <l03110706b05f39c00a49@bootp-240-33.bootp.virginia.edu>
"Hollow Years": "The Inevitable Sumner"...?
=)
Scotch.
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:56:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: Visker <jlvskr@dordt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3075
Message-ID: <9710061956.aa16719@cc.dordt.edu>
To the jammer who posted about JLMB sounding like something from White
Zombie. I heard the exact same thing the first time I listened to
it. I believe the song was called "1965"?...maybe not, but that was
the chorus anyway...the main riff in both songs is almost the exact
same.
I totally agree with the fact that "Hollow Years" should be released
as a single, this song could be huge...I can't think of a catchier
song they have ever written.
Finally, I'd like to voice my disgust with the "official dream theater
web page" It's great for the first time listener, who wants to learn
about DT, but has anything been added in the last year?? I've just
given up trying to check out what's new...it's only updated once every
2 months...there's got to be more going on than that! And can we maybe
get some tour info???
-Visker (remember me from last spring?? "gather hebrews???" :)
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 97 19:59:22 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT concert gatherings web site
Message-ID: <343989664b5c094@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
I've finished a web listing of DT concert dates and people who want to get
together before each one. Dates are organized by state/province, and will be
added as they are confirmed. There is a form to add your name, email address,
and whether you are able/willing to drive. People can use this list to contact
each other and figure out a gathering place, etc. The address is:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771/dt.html
-Brian
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"I may have wasted all those years, but they're not worth their time in tears."
-John Myung of Dream Theater
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:22:35 +0200
From: "Emiliano " <emaiello@rm.mware.it>
To: "ytse jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: italian bands
Message-ID: <199710070123.DAA02731@rm.ats.it>
>Yep got the album last week (thanks Ryan), Ray's voice is great, pretty
>powerful and melodic, on the most part all the songs are great. The big
let
>down for me is the mix. It is so dull and boring, on some of the songs the
>drums are so lame they sound like they could be programmed.
>I'd go see 'em live, that's if they ever bother to tour Australia, no one
>else does.
>PS. Any Italian jammers tell us about two bands that I have heard great
>things about, SKYLARK and RHAPSODY ?
>gRaham_
We have a lot of band from the seventhy that made greate progressive,i
don't know these two bands but i will inform for you,anyway listen
something from these crazy italian band: "Le Orme" and "Banco del Mutuo
Soccorso" and "Area".....they made fantastic progressive.
BYE BYE
Emiliano
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emaiello@rm.mware.it
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:30:03 -0700
From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Terry Bozzio also
Message-ID: <3439909B.5B5F@pacbell.net>
> From: VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com>
>> Subject: Terry Bozzio
>
> )At 09:0 Terry Bozzio is also possibly the best drummer in
>
> I first heard about Terry Bozzio via FRANK ZAPPAS video
> "BABYSNAKES".
> What a GREAT DRUMMER! If you haven't seen this 'trippy' video...it's a
> must for Zappa and Bozzio fans.
>
Vaiman,
I agree, I'm a loyal DT (and Rush) fan but I am a hug fan of Terry
Bozzio's talent. And I'm not even a drummer! (just lived with one)
I had the opportunity to see Terry play at a clinic in San Jose on April
2, this year at a store 2 blocks from my place! You aren't kidding
about the cymbals....he had a moving van just to cart his kit around.
But DAMN! he's got some chops.......
Just my cost of living Two Cents!
Coldfire
"The flame at the heart of a pawnbroker's diamond....."
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:33:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Visker <jlvskr@dordt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ...oops...
Message-ID: <9710062033.aa23452@cc.dordt.edu>
upon return from listening to FII, I realized that it was the main
riff in BMS, not JLMB, which sounds like the white zombie tune.
I apologize for the error...
maybe one day I'll be able to post without error?? :)
-Visker
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:40:29 -0700
From: Eckie <eckie@asu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: JP in GW
Message-ID: <3439930D.2AF2267@asu.edu>
<snip snip>
Okay, I've read the article as well, and well, I don't find anything offensive
about the article, to myself, or to any fans, 'n I'll explain why.
*gets a bag of chips and a soda*
As an artist, I totally understand what it means to mature artisticly, you start
judging your own work harder, quicker, and you churn your thoughts a lot more in
process than you did when you first started out (assuming, of course, said artist
is continually striving to become better and better). In DT's case, it seems that
the band has "matured" in the sense that they've strived to communicate an emotion
better in thier newer material than they have ever done before. Sure, there are
those songs off of I&W, Awake, and even WDADU (pronounce that out loud, I love the
way it rolls off your tongue!) that send coldness, warmth, and excitement, I
totally agree. Surrounded, Space Dye Vest, and Scarred, and well, the list goes
on. But what they are trying to do is evolve into a style, that while is still
their own, is something (insert nipple disclaimer here) more concise, something
that doesn't require a jaw-dropping solo for each instrument for every song.
They're a lot tighter as a musical whole on FII, and I'll have to say that was an
effect based on the way the CD was produced (everybody seems to be wanting to
progress towards a "live" sound on their albums nowadays). When Petrucci, or
whoever says that they think their older material is "immature," it isn't a knock
down of anybody who loves that particular style of DT/progmetal/whatever, but a
reflection of what the artist thinks when he looks back at his art.
As for Metropolis Pt. 2 being "old school," and thus, "immature," I believe the god
of shred MEANT that it's wilder than anything they've done before, because, let's
face it, they've been workin' on that tune for quite a while now! It's going to
please the "old school fans" because it should have a lot of the same elements
found in their older material. I'm thinking Met.2 will be like a stylistic
compilation of Dream Theater, with bits 'n pieces of WDADU, I&W, Awake, ACOS, FII,
and of course, something new and unexpected.
That's why we love these guys, right?
~Eckie's prolly the sixth person to answer this post by now, knowing the average
flow of ytsemail nowadays
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:45:54 -0700
From: Eckie <eckie@asu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Upcoming Tour
Message-ID: <34399452.9C152AB6@asu.edu>
> You know... I think this is what should've happened.
>
Heh heh, to quote a subscriber of AOL, "Me too."Heh heh, to quote a subscriber of
AOL, "Me too."
> Why does DT have management anyways? They should've asked US, the
> ytsejam where would've been good places to play.
They should play AT MY HOUSE!!!! Sure, the accoustics aren't all that great, but
DAMN wouldn't that kick my ass to prog heaven!
~Eckie does it again
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Date: 06 Oct 97 10:45:28 -0700
From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Blackened Time Sigs - dissected
Message-ID: <199710070222.TAA20624@mailsun2.us.oracle.com>
Well, since the discussion of time sigs in "Blackened" has continued, and
since people still say "it's mostly in ___", I've written out the sigs for the
whole damn song. Keep in mind that this is an interpretation, as is all
written music. However, I am positive that I have not missed a beat or
counted wrong - the only thing that is subjective is how you decide to divide
the perceived beats into measures. I chose to do it a certain way based on
emphasis and phrasing in the song. However, I assure you that you will have
to make *many* time sig changes regardless of how you notate it.
Note: I included CD times as a reference. Also, I have grouped repeated
phrases in parentheses with a x3 (or some other number) afterwards to indicate
the number of repetitions.
As a final note, I took a look at the "official" Wolf Marshall transcription
after I finished - he missed a few of the changes. Some of what he does is
merely a different interpretation of the grouping by measures - he groups many
of my 4/4 3/4 combinations as 7/4 - and there's nothing wrong with that.
However, in at least 3 parts he missed a subtle dropping of half a beat (an
insertion of 5/8 or the like). This is a very rhythmically complex tune, and
the syncopation and rhythmic misdirection evident even in the 4/4 parts is
extremely cool. Enjoy!
Blackened - Metallica
Performance Note: During the chorus there is a triplet figure (usually occurs
in the 6th measure of the chorus) at which the beat slows slightly. This is
still 4/4 time, it is just temporarily "streched out".
0:00 Fade in - 4/4 time, played freely.
0:36 5/4
0:38 (4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4) x3
0:51 4/4 7/8 4/4 4/4
0:56 (4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4) x4
1:13 VERSE 6/4 x12
1:36 4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4 4/4 5/4
1:43 CHORUS 4/4 x8
1:54 4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4
1:59 VERSE 6/4 x8
2:14 4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4 4/4 5/4
2:21 CHORUS 4/4 x9 2/4
2:34 (slower tempo) MIDDLE SECTION 4/4 x50
4:07 (6/4 7/4) x4
4:31 (guitar solo) 4/4 x13
4:55 Either: 11/8 Or: 4/4 3/8 (choose one way of counting, not both!)
4:58 (faster tempo) 4/4 slight pause 4/4 slight pause 2/4 slight pause (This
could be notated in a rather complex way - however, I feel that Metallica was
really thinking 4/4 4/4 2/4 and used visual communication to navigate the
pauses which occur in between the phrases)
5:02 4/4 x16
5:22 5/8
5:23 4/4 x7
5:31 9/8
5:33 4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4
5:37 4/4 3/4 4/4 5/8 (this part is VERY tricky)
5:42 (4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4) x2
5:51 VERSE 6/4 x8
6:06 4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4 4/4 5/4
6:13 CHORUS 4/4 x7 5/8
6:23 CHORUS 4/4 x7 3/4 4/4 2/4
6:36 4/4 3/4
That's it!
-Neil.
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:48:21 -0300
From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
To: "ytsejam mailing list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Anybody????????????
Message-ID: <19971007034926.AAA51046@alexis1>
>
> Hey people, anybody know anything about this? I found this in the Steve
> Morse home page.
>
> THE CLASSICAL PROJECT STEVE IS PRODUCING FOR WINDHAM HILL IS NOW BACK ON
> TRACK AND SHOULD BE DONE IN 2-3 MONTHS. TRACKS ARE IN FROM MARTY
FREIDMAN,
> TREVOR RABIN, STEVE HOWE, PETER FRAMPTON AND STEVE MORSE. IN PROGRESS ARE
> VINCE GILL AND JOHN PETRUCCI
>
> Does anybody have more info about this project?
>
> Alexis
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:04:33 -0700
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New Judas Priest this weekend (fwd, NDTC)
Message-ID: <19971006.200434.13358.0.mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
I am the King Of The Internet!
A friend of mine has the new JP and he if you like Painkiller you'll
love this and that Ripper Owens sounds awesome! The new cd
will be out Oct 28 in the USA and it's called Jugulator.
Scott
--------- Begin forwarded message ----------
>If any of you are into Judas Priest and want to check out some new Judas
>Priest material with new singer Ripper Owens....
>Listen to Hardradio.com this weekend - at the top of every hour you'll
hear one
>of 2 new tracks..."Bullet Train or "Blood Stained"
>If you're a past Priest fan, you'll be amazed at the sound of Ripper's
voice.
>http://www.hardradio.com <-- Your motherboard warned you about us!
>
>What The Hard Rock World Is Coming To:
>http://www.hardradio.com
>The World's Largest Online Music Station
--------- End forwarded message ----------
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:44:53 CST
From: "Brown, Neal Patrick" <W059@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Prog/Genesis
Message-ID: <06OCT97.24568018.0111.MUSIC@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
Somebody a few issues back mentioned that (in their opinion) DT is the
best metal band, whereas Yes is (was?) the best progressive band. I can
go with you on the first part, but Yes the best prog band? Well, prog is
such a vague term. It's kind of like alternative (isn't it ironic? heh
heh). Alt-rock encompasses a whole bunch of different styles. (I don't
really like any of em, but still...Phish and Primus are usually grouped
under alternative, even though they sound nothing like, say, Pearl Jam
or Nirvana.) Yes is probably the best symphonic band. But what Yes did
and what a band like ELP did, for example, are radically different. ELP
is practically heavy metal sometimes, but Yes is kinda hippy-dippy.
Jethro Tull, King Crimson, DT, Marillion, Gentle Giant--come on...these
bands are so different it's hard to even say they're part of the same
genre. So watch out for generalizations like "Yes is the best of the
prog bands"--that's like saying Bach was the greatest composer of all
time. It doesn't make any sense.
Second NDTC part: the new Genesis album is a great way to fight
insomnia. Seriously, I could not make myself sit down and listen to the
whole thing. (I sat through The Wall! I have an attention span! ;) ) Tha
t band needs a real drummer, and somebody to smack Tony Banks around and
keeping him from playing the chord progression ad nauseum. It's
uniformly boring, with the new singer (he isn't bad, actually...if only
he had something to sing about) doing what he can with the mind-numbing
lyrics. All Banks does is hang out, and it sounds like he'd rather be
asleep. Rutherford at least tries, although not very hard. If you like
it, sorry, please don't flame me. The album is just awful, IMHO.
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