YTSEJAM Digest 3075
Today's Topics:
1) Re: forwarded message from Jocks from WHJY
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
2) "Kick Me"
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
3) Ytse family
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
4) fii review- continued
by Thrak75@aol.com
5) JP sucks big farm animals
by Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
6) Fates Warning Mailing List
by mark@tier.net (Mark Scudder)
7) Blackened - Time Sigs part 1
by "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
8) Blackened - Time Sigs part 2
by "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
9) genesis (ndtc)
by "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
10) Australian Tour!!!!
by "Paul Matthews" <J6865644@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au>
11) Backrubs, Les amis francais and Too much TENSION!!
by rsterry@idirect.com (Rick Terry)
12) tour dates,.....
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
13) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: genesis (ndtc)
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
14) Terry Bozzio
by VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com>
15) IDEA>..IDEA..IDEA..DT PROMO
by VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com>
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 17:20:02 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: forwarded message from Jocks from WHJY
Message-ID: <199710062120.RAA01887@me.cs.wm.edu>
> The show at Lupo's on the 17th is going to feature Mighty Joe Plum, Our Lady
> Peace and Dream Theater. Tickets are $7.94 in advance and you can get them
> at the Lupo's box office or through Ticketmaster (401)331-2211.
Eight fuckin' bucks for three bands, two of which are DT and OLP? Man, is
that Novemnber 17th? I may have to take an early Thanksgiving break.
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 17:43:15 -0400
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "Kick Me"
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971006174315.006bd040@pop.wam.umd.edu>
I just got home from, well, home, for the weekend. While there, my
girlfriend happened to say the words every 'Jammer loves to hear coming
from their girlfriend: "I like Dream Theater." Yowza! It's that "Hollow
Years", I'm telling you. Everybody, strict metalheads and diehard proggers
aside perhaps, loves it. Why isn't HY the U.S. single? And no cracks
either...
>> gullible), there's no such thing as 1/1 time. 2/2 is the lowest it
>>goes, and that's called cut-time. You only use that for slow songs,
>>typically, or otherwise there'd be mad flags all over the place. We're
>>talking 64th note city.
>Well, actually, I've always seen 2/2 used for fast songs. If the song
>is at something totally ridiculous such as 4/4 at 240 bpm, it is much
>easier to just count the half notes in 2/2 at 120 bpm.
All right, that's a stupid mistake there. There's no excuse for that one.
Brian Kirk is right and Brian Henderson, well, he's, er, not. "Eleven
years of piano lessons down the drain..."
>And when you
>start to approach 400 bpm, then you go to 1/1 and just count the
>measures.
Haven't heard this one. Suppose it's possible, though I don't know any
songs faster than 400 bpm. Seems kind of 'excess' if you ask me. Bands
able to play that fast should donate some of their speed to slower, less
priviledged, bands. Like Pink Floyd. <grin> I'm gonna get nailed for
that one!
Brian Henderson
hender@wam.umd.edu
"Get this crazy fool away from me. You ain't no real Indian. Real Indians
don't look and act like a crazy fool." -- Mr. T
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:44:52 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ytse family
Message-ID: <01BCD2B1.FAFF2200@ns.globalxs.nl>
Dr. Mosh wrote :
>> That guy Chris Merlo keeps talking about family... man... I hate
>> to think I'm related to him, or Syrinx... :)
And I'd hate to think that I'm having Thoughts of a sexual
nature about me and one of my "Ytse-sisters". >:d
Gheeez !
Mark
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:52:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: fii review- continued
Message-ID: <971006175052_321522062@emout15.mail.aol.com>
it's pretty wild- after talking about the first 4 songs, i feel i could go
back and talk even more about them. but why bother?
bms- did anybody else here think of that big white zombie song? you know the
part- where james comes in? i don't know the name- it was the one on mtv a
few years back ("astrocreep", maybe?). and i don't know about y'all, but
derek smokes on this song- i think all us kevin-philes who were bitter about
derek can stop whining (this includes me, of course).
hell's- ......i fail to see how this song relates in any way to the one
before it. i never heard the old version, so this tune just seems like an
excuse to jerk off for 4 minutes before the next song. one nifty thing-
there's a section here (one of many on the album) at about 3:10 of the song
where they play this long unison lick that sounds real good. in school
recently, someone who noted my dt shirt replied "hey- they're a cool band-
they're the master of the unison lick." i now know what he meant.
lines- i like this song soooooo much that i'm willing to ignore the 80s rush
overtones throughout this song (i.e., main riff). i am thrilled by this song,
even though doug pinnick's appearance is little to get excited over. when i
heard he was doing guest vocals, i thought they MEANT it. they could have
pulled ANY hendrix-sounding guy off the street to have pulled this off. as
much as i like doug, i hope he's not getting royalties for this. at 9:45 of
this tune, anyone else awed by the interplay between the guys- all that slick
and cute stuff going on? yeah...
tamp- killer bass on this song. nice to see a song that is appropriate to the
lyrics. this is simply a well done piece.
jlmb- if living colour could reunite just once and do a video for a song, i'd
pay a lot of money for them to do this song. this is one of those "aggressive
rockers" that made the former band amazing. and personally, i think corey
glover might even convey aggressiveness better than labrie can....
anna lee- speaking of bringing back old bands from the dead, i'm glad to see
they cloned freddie mercury here. i believe these last 3 songs take a dt fan
for a ride- is this the same band that wrote "the mirror" and "under a glass
moon?"
trial of tears- an incredible piece. myung just shines on this one. funny how
the best songs on the last 3 major albums were written by him, and at the end
(yes, i've said it before- "scarred" ends awake, for all intensive purposes).
he is the one keeping everything in the solos together. notice his use of
pedal tones- jp and derek's solos would sound meaningless without the bass.
myung's bass makes those 2 solos (more so in jp's solo) sound pretty
disssonant. and the end- this is up there with the ending to "ltl" and "acos"
strength-wise. i can't wait to see this done live.
to be continued.
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david y. kobayashi
the new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
dkobayashi@nyls.edu
"and i know that where the chains of doom are kept, i find my shoes." -
king's x
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 17:11:08 -0700
From: Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: JP sucks big farm animals
Message-ID: <34397E1C.3A5@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
> Subject: JP in GW
> I also thought it was hypocritical of JP to say that their old stuff
> was immature, and then to say that Met II was the most insane thing they had
> ever written. He said something almost exactly like "it's in the spirit of the
> original Metropolis". Would that be the "immature" spirit that he's talking
> about?
JP said "immature" while laughing if I remember correctly. JP defined
Met Part 2, as the most insane song they ever written, AND the band
purposely didn't have any musical constriction. Meaning that DT now has
to make themselves write something like this(I&W type music). It isn't
they're first choice for song writing. Therefore the band has "matured."
Meaning that their old stuff is "immature." :)
> "Those People"? Would that be, as in, those people who like immature
> music like DT used to make? I was a pretty put off by the whole article.
Yeah, man. That's like someone calling me a mindless idiot! Whoever
would say that to me, I would 'em beat down! YEAH! Then I would kill
him! YEAH! Then I would hang 'em for good measure!!!
"I say we kill him!"
"I say we hang him!"
"I say we kill him, then we hang him!"
Über Cabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:03:12 -0400
From: mark@tier.net (Mark Scudder)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates Warning Mailing List
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971006180312.006efcc4@206.156.172.9>
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Date: 06 Oct 97 15:13:12 -0700
From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Blackened - Time Sigs part 1
Message-ID: <199710062233.PAA21106@mailsun2.us.oracle.com>
It looks like my earlier post concerning time sigs in Blackened didn't go
through, so I've broken it into two parts.. First part - text. Second part -
time sigs! Here goes:
Well, since the discussion of time sigs in "Blackened" has continued, and
since people still say "it's mostly in ___", I've written out the sigs for the
whole damn song. Keep in mind that this is an interpretation, as is all
written music. However, I am positive that I have not missed a beat or
counted wrong - the only thing that is subjective is how you decide to divide
the perceived beats into measures. I chose to do it a certain way based on
emphasis and phrasing in the song. However, I assure you that you will have
to make *many* time sig changes regardless of how you notate it.
Note: I included CD times as a reference. Also, I have grouped repeated
phrases in parentheses with a x3 (or some other number) afterwards to indicate
the number of repetitions.
As a final note, I took a look at the "official" Wolf Marshall transcription
after I finished - he missed a few of the changes. Some of what he does is
merely a different interpretation of the grouping by measures - he groups many
of my 4/4 3/4 combinations as 7/4 - and there's nothing wrong with that.
However, in at least 3 parts he missed a subtle dropping of half a beat (an
insertion of 5/8 or the like). This is a very rhythmically complex tune, and
the syncopation and rhythmic misdirection evident even in the 4/4 parts is
extremely cool. Enjoy! (to be continued)...
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Date: 06 Oct 97 15:13:53 -0700
From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Blackened - Time Sigs part 2
Message-ID: <199710062234.PAA21178@mailsun2.us.oracle.com>
Blackened - Metallica
Performance Note: During the chorus there is a triplet figure (usually occurs
in the 6th measure of the chorus) at which the beat slows slightly. This is
still 4/4 time, it is just temporarily "streched out".
0:00 Fade in - 4/4 time, played freely.
0:36 5/4
0:38 (4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4) x3
0:51 4/4 7/8 4/4 4/4
0:56 (4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4) x4
1:13 VERSE 6/4 x12
1:36 4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4 4/4 5/4
1:43 CHORUS 4/4 x8
1:54 4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4
1:59 VERSE 6/4 x8
2:14 4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4 4/4 5/4
2:21 CHORUS 4/4 x9 2/4
2:34 (slower tempo) MIDDLE SECTION 4/4 x50
4:07 (6/4 7/4) x4
4:31 (guitar solo) 4/4 x13
4:55 Either: 11/8 Or: 4/4 3/8 (choose one way of counting, not both!)
4:58 (faster tempo) 4/4 slight pause 4/4 slight pause 2/4 slight pause (This
could be notated in a rather complex way - however, I feel that Metallica was
really thinking 4/4 4/4 2/4 and used visual communication to navigate the
pauses which occur in between the phrases)
5:02 4/4 x16
5:22 5/8
5:23 4/4 x7
5:31 9/8
5:33 4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4
5:37 4/4 3/4 4/4 5/8 (this part is VERY tricky)
5:42 (4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4) x2
5:51 VERSE 6/4 x8
6:06 4/4 3/4 4/4 3/4 4/4 5/4
6:13 CHORUS 4/4 x7 5/8
6:23 CHORUS 4/4 x7 3/4 4/4 2/4
6:36 4/4 3/4
That's it!
-Neil.
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:51:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: genesis (ndtc)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.971006184511.8120D-100000@moose>
who's heard "Calling All Stations"?
me, i think it's pretty good, they haven't moved totally past Phil COllins
yet, and there are some duds on this disc (wtf is Alien Afternoon about?),
but overall, it's cool......"The Dividing Line" is so awesome it's
unbelieveable.....tony banks should do this kind of stuff on EVERY
song.....and ray wilson's voice is pretty cool, too
some parts sound like Marillion, take that as you will.....one song, i
can't remember right now which one, I kept wanting to start singing
"afraid of sunlight".....itchy, you hear this yet?
but anyway, trying to throw a little review of it together....can I get
anyone to tell me what the song "small talk" sounds like? I can't quite
figure out what it reminds me of, in terms of a band or a song.....
sorry for the non-OFB talk, needed a little help on the side.......
partha
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:04:35 +1000
From: "Paul Matthews" <J6865644@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Australian Tour!!!!
Message-ID: <3C21ED1503F@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au>
> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 21:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
> From: ytsejam@ax.com
> Reply-to: ytsejam@ax.com
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: YTSEJAM digest 3071
> > -They will be touring Australia this time, but I dunno when.
> >
>
How do you know? How can I find out more?
Paul
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 23:03:18 GMT
From: rsterry@idirect.com (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Backrubs, Les amis francais and Too much TENSION!!
Message-ID: <343b6a94.2661885@mail.idirect.com>
Boo!
>Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:15:14 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
>To: DT Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: Diary of a man's frustration...
>Isn't it true that a few among us know how to get in contact with the
>band? Isn't it true that a few among us regularly talk to 'Da boyz? =
And
>isn't it true that one among us is in fact MIKE PORTNOY'S PERSONAL
>MASSEUSE????? (It could happen.)
Actually, I used to be, but he stopped tipping me in whips
with the Cat-O-Nine-Tails so it had to end. (Coldfire reference
intentional - Consult #ytsejam - irc.dreamt.org Port 2112) ;-)
>Note: The above Minneapolis tour date is fictional. Any relationship =
to
>a real date is purely coincidental.
As is my existence as a 4 dimensional hologram flooding the
plains of the space time continuum. 8-)
>Thank you for your time.
You're quite welcome.
>Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:24:42 -0400
>From: Nicolas Drouin <Nicolas_Drouin@UQAH.UQuebec.CA>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Who wants to trade???? &&& When is DT coming to CANADA???
>Message-ID: <199710061424.KAA18080@janus.UQAH.UQuebec.CA>
>When the f... is DT coming to CANADA (lots of fans here too ...)
Hey Nic!!
Salut mon copain!!
Vous etes etudiant a Laval?
Hehehehe
Good question...... I asked Portnoy that directly in March
when I met him and he felt that they would be here in late October or
Early November.
However, it is now looking more like the new year.
They have plans to play Toronto, but he didn't mention
anywhere else to me.
Keep watch this space for further info!!!
>Has anyone heard of a band called Artension (are they good, DT style)?
I've heard them and was not impressed at all.
The singer has a voice very similar to that of Graham Bonnet
(Rainbow/Alcatrazz) which is gravelly and not particularly melodic.
If you are looking for something with some crunch and melody,
Check out some Threshold stuff. I REALLY like Psychedelicatessan and
Wounded Land is supposed to be an exceptional listen as well. They
have a new release but I'm not certain of the title?
Anyone have any info on this?
AS for Artension, save your money and watch for it in the
delete bins....it'll be there soon.
The songs lack originality and come across as a really lame
version of FII.
Cheers,
Rick (a.k.a. Pine-o-Phile)
Toronto
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:05:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: tour dates,.....
Message-ID: <199710062305.TAA23119@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
Well all this discussion about tour dates is great. It's
definitely shitty that DT is playing even smaller venues
now, in places that basically seem to suck to see a band in
(according to what's been said).
As for the dates, don't we have contacts with the band on
here? Don't we have a DT OFFICIAL web site? It's surprising
that we have to hear from Ticketmaster and posters on the
walls of venues to find out where these guys are playing...
Definitely disappointing..........
-Al
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:22:08 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: genesis (ndtc) Message-ID: <4A256528.007FCD1D.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Yep got the album last week (thanks Ryan), Ray's voice is great, pretty powerful and melodic, on the most part all the songs are great. The big let down for me is the mix. It is so dull and boring, on some of the songs the drums are so lame they sound like they could be programmed. I'd go see 'em live, that's if they ever bother to tour Australia, no one else does.
PS. Any Italian jammers tell us about two bands that I have heard great things about, SKYLARK and RHAPSODY ?
gRaham_
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:29:08 -0400 From: VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Terry Bozzio Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971006222908.006aa0d8@pop.mindspring.com>
)At 09:0 Terry Bozzio is also possibly the best drummer in
I first heard about Terry Bozzio via FRANK ZAPPAS video "BABYSNAKES". What a GREAT DRUMMER! If you haven't seen this 'trippy' video...it's a must for Zappa and Bozzio fans.
Does anyone know how old Terry Bozzio was in this video. I believe the video was recorded in 1976. (not 100% sure).
Anyone looking for a copy of BABYSNAKES? Anyone up for a trade?
see ya
Todd S
Vaiman/hatman
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:30:08 -0400 From: VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com> To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: IDEA>..IDEA..IDEA..DT PROMO Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971006223008.006933b4@pop.mindspring.com>
We are all talking about the somewhat "NON-promotion" Dream Theater from their label. IF THE RECORD/marketing people won't do it, WHY don't we?
We should pick shows like: DAVID LETTERMAN/MTV/LATE NIGHT/VH1..etc..etc.. and target them for faxes and letters giving some type of press release on the NEW CD and ask them to have them on the show. Like I said...target and bombard the media. WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN!!
Ok Ytsejamers...LEt's pick about 5 media groups and go after it!
see ya
Todd S
vaiman/hatman
www.dreamt.org (cool DT merchandise!)
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