YTSEJAM Digest 3074
Today's Topics:
1) Missed tour dates, will theybe in NJ
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
2) Dickinson and Savatage...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
3) Re: Chad's interpretation of BMS
by "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
4) Re: Ray Mansarek
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
5) FII #5 at HMV
by richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
6) Petrucci's interview
by "Brown, Neal Patrick" <W059@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
7) (Lack of) Tour Dates
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3073
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
9) DT in Canada? and more...
by Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB)
10) Oops...
by Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB)
11) forwarded message from Jocks from WHJY
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
12) Heartache to heartache we stand!
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
13) Upcoming Tour
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
14) does anyone know any official tour dates?
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
15) An open letter to members of DT and their management
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
16) Official Michigan Tour date
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
17) JLMB, TTT connection
by Andrew Brodie <andrew@ames.net>
18) Re: DT best of
by Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
19) Japeneese FII.
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:47:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Missed tour dates, will theybe in NJ
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.971006144620.29980D-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Subject says it all. I can't drive very far, although I could probably
get people to go if I needed to, so where are they playing in NJ. You
know they are.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com
keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality
Deviant of Reality
All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars
All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars.
Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:58:17 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dickinson and Savatage...
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-971006185817Z-13448@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Well, now for total NDTC...
First of all, for those of you who didn't see Bruce Dickinson, you
really blew it. That was one of the truly great shows I've ever seen -
five Maiden songs, a bunch of the new stuff, a pogo contest with the
members of Geezer, Bruce punching a guy with the microphone, and Adrian
Smith. I really enjoyed myself, and was scared to death before we
played...
What did you think, Kevin? Sorry I never saw you again...
Oh yeah, you should hope Brisby doesn't get 40 yards tonight...
Now for the second part - Are any of my fellow 'jam types going to
Savatage at Jaxx? Wanna help me out, big time? Both of the openers
cancelled, so we are now opening the show. HELP....
I need to sell some tickets... :) Help me out here...
For some DTC...
That was the dumbest interview with Petrucci I've ever seen. The
interviewer was such a moron...
Mike
Division - DC Power/prog metal is alive and well, and suddenly we're
playing with Savatage...
http://www.crosslink.net/~division or human email division@aol.com
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Date: 06 Oct 97 12:01:29 -0700
From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Chad's interpretation of BMS
Message-ID: <199710061903.MAA15025@mailseq4.us.oracle.com>
Chad wrote:
>I was listening to BMS the other day, and got this really weird
sensation...I began to think that it has a theme much like Just Let Me
Breathe (i.e. negative feelings toward recording companies and the music
industry in its present state in general).
I agree. Actually, when I first started looking at the lyrics on FII, I
noticed a common theme in all of MP's lyrics (NM, BMS, JLMB). I got the
impression that the combination of music industry/record label pressure and
(perhaps) internal pressure in the band to sell more records was really
getting to him. Remember, MP was pushing hard for a 2CD set = noncommercial.
Of the whole band, he seems most set on musical/artistic freedom and I think
his lyrics speak volumes about his feelings of late. This is just an opinion
but I got the exact meaning from the BMS lyrics that Chad did.
jam on,
-Neil.
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:01:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: A P Longley <ap7032@qmw.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Ray Mansarek
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.971006150012.29980G-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I have lots of respect for the former Doors keyboardist. Especially since
I did a thing over the summer where I had to play his parts. Tough shit,
I must say. For those who don't know, the Doors did not have a bass
player, so he had to cover all the bass parts on a Wurlitzer electric
piano while playing his organ parts.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com
keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality
Deviant of Reality
All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars
All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars.
Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:04:56 +0500
From: richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII #5 at HMV
Message-ID: <9710061904.AA03882@jason.qc.ca>
just saw FII at one of the HMV ( at number #5
in the best-sellers) that we have here in Quebec City (CANADA)
and at the same place you can listen to it with headphones
#5 even if the don't play at any radio station.
rj
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 14:08:58 CST
From: "Brown, Neal Patrick" <W059@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Petrucci's interview
Message-ID: <06OCT97.15281470.0017.MUSIC@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
A guitarist friend of mine showed me the interview in Guitar or Guitar
World or whatever of John Petrucci....and yeah, it did sorta seem like
JP was dissing the I&W style as "immature," and calling the style of
stuff like "Hollow Years" "mature." Well, ya know what? I always thought
shit like Oasis was immature, whereas DT doing something like, oh, say,
"Learning To Live" was actually rather mature. Sure, it's got a
bazillion notes in it, but it's a moving piece of music. What is it with
people who think that anything with more than four chords and lasts
longer than five minutes is pretentious, or, god forbid, immature? I'm
sorry, but there are maybe a handful of musicians out there who can pull
off the kind ofstuff OFB does on a regular basis. IMHO, the stuff that's
pretentious is the fucking record labels and MTV and all the parts of
the music *industry* who think that people are dumb enough that they
won't notice how trite their current flash-in-the-pan is. (Remember the
New Kids On The Block?) They're the immature ones. Twenty minute drum
solo? Gimme. =)
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:05:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: (Lack of) Tour Dates
Message-ID: <199710061905.AA16293@crl3.crl.com>
Let me add my voice to the chorus of voices begging for the True Skinny
on the upcoming tour. I'd really like to travel for some of these
dates -- out of work on furlough right now, so I have time and little
money -- but it's reallly hard to make trip plans when the complete
schedule remains veiled in mystery. I'm sure other Southeastern fans
feel the same way, ESPECIALLY since there have been no dates announced
anywhere near us yet.
I can't afford to buy tickets to all of the shows announced so far
(within a reasonable range :)), yet the longer we have to go without
knowing which dates will be closest to us, the better the chance that
these flyspeck venues will be sold out.
Who is handling bookings? I'll call them myself if I have to, just to
get authoritative information once and for all.......
Atlanta date side-note:
I'm hoping DT will play a venue in Atlanta that -isn't- the
Masquerade. The Roxy Theater would be nice, but it's probably too
expensive. The Fox would be ideal, but I think it's a union hall (and
a bit too big unless they get more airplay here, too). I spoke to a
friend at the International Ballroom (configures for 1,500, 3,500 or
5,000 just by rolling the stage around) and DT could have the venue
for $1,500 in the smallest configuration, security and venue personnel
included as needed. Not the greatest venue in town, but sheesh, David
Bowie is playing there.... :)
DT's label apparently hasn't "paid off" (ahem, wink wink nudge nudge)
96rock's airplay consultants, hence 96rock acts all dumb when you
call. It's an act, of course; the deejays I know there would love to
play DT. I'm sure their label will act all innocent when the subject
of Atlanta airplay comes up. It all comes down to money, folks, and
where best to apply it.
99-X here (WNNX) might be a brighter hope. Also, if DT works
through a powerful local promotions/booking firm, like Alex Cooley
and Peter Conlon, they can probably get more exposure that way. If
all else fails, the old "let's do an in-store" works, and heck, I'd
even try to arrange it for free. :)
-- Paul W. Cashman | Listening to the city Whispering its violence vanyel@crl.com | I set out watching from above Dream Theater -----> The 90s bring new questions New solutions to be found "Learning To Live" | I fell in love to be let down------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:27:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3073 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.971006152548.27440C-100000@thunder>
Anyone know where/ how I can get a ytsejam Tshirt?
I am going to the New Haven show n Oct 25. I may even have an extra ticket or two.. I will keep everyone posted .. I will know definitely by this friday if i have an extra ticket... 13.50 for the ticket =)
Cheers!
-ponte
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 15:38:19 -0400 From: Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB) To: ytsejam@ax.com ('DT') Subject: DT in Canada? and more... Message-ID: <1997Oct06.152452.1255.959163@msmail.ic.gc.ca>
Greetings all YTSEjammers!
I was just wondering if DT will be playing in Canada or like upstate NY? I know it's probably too early to find out but maybe someone MIGHT just know. =)
Also, I can't get over how JP sounds like Neil, in his way of drumming. (e.g. drumrolls, use of toms. wood blocks). It's like a brand new Rush, just awesome.
Last but not least, does someone know where I could get some tab stuff for guitar on the net, and also, what would be among the EZiest songs to play?
Any info on this would be appreciated.
Farewell
Gary
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 15:40:16 -0400 From: Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB) To: ytsejam@ax.com ('DT') Subject: Oops... Message-ID: <1997Oct06.153227.1255.959221@msmail.ic.gc.ca>
Before I get killed or flamed or whatever =) I wrote JP sounds like Peart, I obviously meant MP! (whoa.. embarasing on a 1st post)
Thanks to Tom who made me realise of the error while I was reading 3073!
Gary
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:10:37 -0400 From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: forwarded message from Jocks from WHJY Message-ID: <199710061910.PAA01046@wicked.stigmata.org>
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Just got this from WHJY in Providence. I would have to say this is a confirmation
Skadz
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The show at Lupo's on the 17th is going to feature Mighty Joe Plum, Our Lady Peace and Dream Theater. Tickets are $7.94 in advance and you can get them at the Lupo's box office or through Ticketmaster (401)331-2211.
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 12:49:42 -0700 From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Heartache to heartache we stand! Message-ID: <199710061949.MAA16765@ichips.intel.com>
Someone wrote:
> We are the Jam! We are strong!
Wasn't this a Pat Benatar song? =)
-- Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:52:57 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Upcoming Tour Message-ID: <199710061952.MAA15276@gms.gmsnet.com>
You know... I think this is what should've happened.
Why does DT have management anyways? They should've asked US, the ytsejam where would've been good places to play. I mean, we all know where the best venues are, right? So instead of everyone posting to the jam how they wanted DT to NOT play someplace or play someplace, they could've just came to us...
What're these f*cking record companies and management thinking, when we are the ultimate source of all info?? Dumbassess... :)
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:56:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: does anyone know any official tour dates? Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.971006145333.27735A-100000@rossby>
I have NEVER seen my favorite band, DT, live in concert. This MUST change!!!! I tried to get online with ticketmaster, but that didn't work. I couldn't contact the home page that I searched for (www.ticketmaster.com)
Does anyone know of ANY home page where I can get concert info for DT??!! Basically, I would like to know if they're playing in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. (I'm from the Oklahoma City region, but don't expect them to play up here) Please e-mail me personally. I REALLY need to know this before it's too late....
-Jon jcase@rossby.ou.edu
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:02:50 -0400 From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: An open letter to members of DT and their management Message-ID: <343A9569.7C61109@bu.edu>
To Whom this may concern,
I as are most other Jammers extremely disappointed with the way the upcoming tour is being handled. So far only five dates have been announced and the tour is supposed to start in 11 days!? Is this the way to promote a tour when a band just released an album that will easily go gold?
I thought this tour would bring DT many new fans and that they would be playing larger venues, but the opposite is happening. DT is playing Lupos, a smaller club than the Strand, which they have packed before. I do not understand this logic, especially when DT is getting more exposure than ever.
And what is the deal with releasing one tour date at a time. Fans need to know about this tour ASAP, especially those who just heard Burning My Soul on the radio and picked up FII and fell in love with DT. They are not going to drop everything to see a band they don't know much about. Not every DT fan is as hardcore as us Jammers. DT must do a tour of I+W proportions in the US if they want to expand their fan base.
I also fail to see how DT will tour the entire East in 10 days (Providence on 10/17). Then the midwest in 14 days (Ohio on 10/28) and then hit the West coast (LA on 11/12). From what I have seen so far, I see this tour as a giant step backward for a band that is making tremendous forward strides. If these dates are going to be the full US tour, I suggest DT take follow Fates Warning's lead and fire their tour manager.
A concerned fan, Isaac -- "It sounds diminished ... but it's not"- John Petrucci
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 16:22:42 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu> To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: Official Michigan Tour date Message-ID: <01IOHQVJNNIA9ODU02@alma.edu>
This is for all my fellow MI, or at least Detroit area, jammers. I checked Ticketmaster's sight, and there is a listing for St. Andrews Hall on Oct 30. I guess this place is somewhere in Detroit. I've never been there, but one of my friends just saw a show there last night and I guess it's (get ready for a big fucking surprise) pretty small. The TM site says it's a bar, but it also said all ages welcome. The fucked up thing is that this show STILL doesn't come up when you do a search of the TM database for DT. Those original three shows are the only ones that come up. I had to go to the Detroit area show listings to find it. This would leave me to believe that perhaps there are other shows that we don't even know about, so I guess everyone should go to this site and check their own respective cities. Any other Jammers who will be going to this show please e-mail me privately. I'm not even sure I can get anyone to go with me, so maybe if there's anyone around me we can hook up... at any rate, I'd like to meet some people at the show, if nothing else. Later... -Clark 99abel@alma.edu
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 15:40:06 -0500 From: Andrew Brodie <andrew@ames.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: JLMB, TTT connection Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971006154003.006b412c@brain.ames.net>
>I just heard this, and thought you might find it interesting too. > >In JLMB, there is a lyric that says "Just close your mind/You can find all >you need with your eyes." > >In TTT, there is the part that says "Close your eyes/You can find all you >need in your mind." > >Kinda cool, huh? :)
Yeah...except for the fact that in TTT, the comment is meant to be sarcastic...as the whole message behind the song is that you shouldn't sell out and give into the mainstream image just to get play time on empTyV...or you'll end up killing yourself like Cobain...etc., etc.
--Andrew
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Jon
\|||/ (o o) "Somebody help me, I'm stuck on this sig!" ---ooO-(_)-Ooo----------------------------------------------------- Andrew Brodie E-mail: andrew@ames.net 3316 Garner Ave. TearyEyes@dreamt.org Ames, IA 50010 URL's: www.ames.net/andrew/ www.ames.net/hoops/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Current Cool Quote: "feed my head, with some real thoughts, and let me think instead of being taught, i'll say things you won't believe, just stand back, just let me breathe......" "Just Let Me Breathe" --Dream Theater -------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 17:41:52 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DT best of Message-ID: <Marcel-1.29-1006164152-b49evuQ@aberry.demon.co.uk>
In <URL:news:local.ytsejam> on Sat 04 Oct, Jeremy Ulrey wrote: > > Andrew Berry wrote: > > > Dream Theater have already released five CDs of their best songs - > > why do we need any more? > > Could this statement have possibly been calculated to kiss any more > ass?
Sorry - it was just my way of saying that choosing songs for a "best of" would be difficult because they've written so many good ones. You're right that it doesn't sound quite as I intended. :-)
Cheers, -- +--Andrew Berry (webmaster, Metal Links) ----------------------------------+ | 4700 links to metal pages - http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk/metallinks/ | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "Last temptation; touch me, before you close your eyes. | | Die a martyr to your principles, | +-'Cause you're the only god who's visible tonight." - Conception ---------+
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:02:07 -0400 From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com> To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Japeneese FII. Message-ID: <01bcd29b$1ae7e460$fa3f1a26@w-ostrich-1>
I just happened to get it today. The bonus tracks are:
Take Away My Pain (demo) Speak To Me (demo)
TamP is not _that_ different than the released version, although it's a little slower (and a little more dramatic). Speak To Me i like, although it's more in the "Hollow Yeras" vain. Definatly if you can pick it up, do so!
- mike. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania! = http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx offical lemur voice hompages: http://www.cobweb.nl/mcoenen/welcome.htm http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
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