YTSEJAM Digest 3084
Today's Topics:
1) I got it up! (ACOS TAB project)
by "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
2) Re: DT Tour Dates
by eckie@asu.edu
3) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
4) Ticketmaster showing these dates (IL, CT, OH, CA)
by boerio@arocknid.com
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3083
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
6)
by KillMary <caschulze@mindspring.com>
7) DT in Milwaukee
by "J. Cohen" <cohenj@execpc.com>
8) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
9) Lack of Thanks (re: FII)
by "Chad Allen Klunck" <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>
10) MN tour date
by David Alderman <dalder@ix.netcom.com>
11) I AGREE*DO NOT CALL
by VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com>
12) no dt//BUT G3 Tour here !yea!!
by VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com>
13) Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
14) Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
15) James LaBrie and the Internet...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
16) Re: Lack of Thanks (re: FII)
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3083
by kimpykins@juno.com (Jaime Kimpton)
18) Dallas, Houston, Austin
by "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
19) Re: SNZ
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:37:44 -0500
From: "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I got it up! (ACOS TAB project)
Message-ID: <199710082243.RAA05729@frost.snowhill.com>
Kevin Hammer has the files updated at his site. Check it out at:
http://www.getaway.net/khammer/acos/
Remember, I would like to send this off to Petrucci by Tuesday of next
week, so any glaring errors please send to me!
I got it up...the TAB that is :)
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__\/__ "The Mad Tabber"
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 16:03:34 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DT Tour Dates
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971008155114.22306A-100000@general1.asu.edu>
And ONE more time for good measure, since you all continue to post
everytime you pick up the fuckin' phone to ask Ticketbastard about tour
dates....
> >> Is there a list somewhere of all the tour dates signed for DT so far?
> >
> >THERE ARE NO WEB PAGES IN EXISTENCE AT THIS TIME THAT HAVE A COMPLETE LIST
> OF
> >OFFICIALLY-SANCTIONED DREAM THEATER TOUR DATES. ONCE A WEB PAGE LIKE THIS
> >EXISTS, SOMEONE WILL POST TO THE LIST ABOUT IT. UNTIL THEN, NO ONE KNOWS.
> >
> >I could swear I'm repeating myself.
Look, if you haven't done it already, compile an email list of jammers
that are within your area. That's how we have communicated in the past
here in Phoenix,the most successful one being (I think) the Fates Warning
show.
That way you're not increasing the flood of ytsemail that's already
smashing my email box (I've gotten 3 warnings from my ASU account
telling me that I'm running out of space, just this past month), and
other ppl's email accounts as well. What's even GREATER about this is
that you can organize meetings for whatever comes along, and get to know
your local ytsejammers better.
If you don't know who lives near you, check out the rsabbs site for the
fanclub network, or go to Itchy's page, it ain't too difficult.
"Welcome to the Ytsejam, where you'll find morons, nothing but morons."
~Eckie gets the blow torches ready
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:24:53 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
Message-ID: <4A25652A.007EADE2.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
KAI said:
>Yeah, Mike's the shit. As far as the fan club CD goes, it should have
been available >to us for like $5. I don't want to have to send $15 to
someone who might send me a >newsletter every other month. We talk about
Dream
>Theater every day.
Why should it ? It was a special 'gift' to fan club members. Obviously you
haven't got the
fan club CD, stop bitching about it, okay ? The Cd was sent out to all
members of the DTIFC
last December, MP mentioned in the last fanzine that there could be another
FC CD this year too.
AFAIK the band paid for the CD themselves, Elektra had nothing to do with
it.
I seriously doubt if Elektra would allow the band to sell a CD to jammers,
they'd have to have
a slice of the pie somewhere down the line.
Simple solution is to join the FC and you never know what you might get.?
You don't know what your talking about either, the fan club offers a
quarterly fanzine, not
a monthly or bi-monthly newsletter. The fanzine is a great read and more
often than not has
a lot of stuff that isn't posted to the jam, sure the thing could have some
more colour though.
gRaham_
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:24:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: boerio@arocknid.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ticketmaster showing these dates (IL, CT, OH, CA)
Message-ID: <199710082324.QAA01310@shelob.aracnet.com>
www.ticketmaster.com is showing the following dates for Dream Theater:
1: DREAM THEATER: 01-NOV-97, CHICAGO, IL.
2: DREAM THEATER: 12-NOV-97, HOLLYWOOD, CA.
3: DREAM THEATER: 25-OCT-97, NEW HAVEN, CT.
4: DREAM THEATER: 27-OCT-97, CLEVELAND, OH.
5: DREAM THEATER: 28-OCT-97, COLUMBUS, OH.
There is no mention online of who an opening act will be. There is also a
mention Dream Theater as the opener on this bill:
Ritual Presents Saint Andrews Hall
Dream Theater Primary Act: Howie B
All Ages Welcome City: Detroit
St. Andrews Hall State: MI
431 E Congress Detroit Event Date: 30-Oct-97
Thu Oct 30 97 Drs 7pm Price: $16.00
So, those are six dates we know should be pretty solid. Also, they jive
with the dates listed on www.cnotes.com/cnotes.artists/dream.html
I hope the November 10 date is accurate as I'd love to see them here in
Portland, OR!
- Jeff
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:28:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3083
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.971008192837.28478A-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
Yes it is Roundtable
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:27:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: KillMary <caschulze@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <199710082327.TAA23225@brickbat9.mindspring.com>
>Yes there is. Go to the Reaching Horizons Home Page at
>http://www.regra.com.br/mucica/angra/angra.htm and you can subscibe there.
The correct address is http://www.regra.com.br/musica/angra/angra.htm
^
~MaryKiller thinks THAT spelling problem was important (that goes to Eckie ;D)
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 18:43:13 -0700
From: "J. Cohen" <cohenj@execpc.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT in Milwaukee
Message-ID: <343C36B0.54BC@execpc.com>
Regarding the November 3rd show at the Rave that people say the label
told them about, I called the venue and they said that DT is scheduled
to play November 4th instead, and that tickets will go on sale soon.
Hope to see some of you there!
Jordan
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:47:02 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
Message-ID: <4A25652A.00809690.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
KAI continued his whinge-a-thon about the fan club:
>Fuck the fan club. We have over 1000 people talking about Dream Theater
every single day >of the year, including Christmas. Now that's a fan club.
I don't need to send someone my >$15 to hear about DT 4 times a year.
Nah, FUCK YOU, don't join the fan club don't get the CD and stop fucking
bitching about it
you fucking cry baby whinging pillowbiting git.
Don't complain when you miss out again on the FC CD this year.
Now do you want me to send you a box of tissues ?
gRaham_
PS Jason, where's 'the finger' when I need it ?
:)
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:53:48 -0500
From: "Chad Allen Klunck" <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Lack of Thanks (re: FII)
Message-ID: <199710082352.SAA05003@omega.uta.edu>
This might seem like a senseless rambling...so if it is, just ignore it.
With all the discussion about the list's lack of thanks on FII, I remember
(and share) a quote from Scott O'Grady:
It wasn't the reward that mattered or the recognition
you might harvest. It was your depth of commitment,
your quality of service, the product of your devotion--
these were the things that counted in life. When you
gave purely, the honor came in the giving, and that
was honor enough.
As an analogy: When a group lobbies Congress to pass a bill, and it works,
Newtie doesn't call up the head of the organization and thank him personally
for all his hard work and effort in wasting yet more of the taxpayer's
money. Hell, the group probably had to pay a fair amount (one way or
another) to get their way. If all we had to pay Elektra was a bunch of
signatures, we got off pretty much scot-free. At least we didn't all have
to send 'em $100 to pay for the studio time.
Personally, I thank my lucky stars that DT still exists...but that doesn't
mean that I expect to be patted on the head by Elektra (or the band, for
that matter) and told what a good, loyal fan I am.
Chad
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 18:53:30 -0500
From: David Alderman <dalder@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: MN tour date
Message-ID: <343C1CF8.A7A49AC1@ix.netcom.com>
id wrote:
a friend of mine sent me the folloing URL...
check out
http://www.cnotes.com/cnotes.artists/dream.html
it contains a ton of tour dates. i have no idea of the accuracy of any
of them. the one for Minneapolis is in direct conflict with the web
site
for the venue... so no guarantees, folks.
id
The band that was scheduled to play 1st Ave on the 2nd has canceled.
V_Clortho
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 18:55:28 -0400
From: VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I AGREE*DO NOT CALL
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971008225528.007032c0@pop.mindspring.com>
>
>
> Someone posted the number to DT management in New York on a recent
>Jam. I cannot say this any clearer than this:
>
> DO NOT CALL IT.
>
> Not if you want DT to ever be receptive to our wishes EVER again.
>
> Ever.
I have to agree with this. IF WE WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE THEN we can
send management mail via US POSTAL service. THIS WOULD BE LESS
OFFENSIVE.
0)()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
see ya
todd s
www.dreamt.org
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 18:55:44 -0400
From: VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com>
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: no dt//BUT G3 Tour here !yea!!
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971008225544.006a0c88@pop.mindspring.com>
I JUST wanted to let everyone know what a killer show it's going to be
here in Atlanta on OCT 12th. G3 Tour. KILLER..I CANT WAIT!
see ya
todd s
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:18:25 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971008221531.784D-100000@hoare.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Eric Rodger wrote:
> Anyway, we need to get him interacting with us again, because unlike much
> of the band, he respected how influential we are. It irritates me that we
> didn't get one mention on FII, even though it was our petition that got DT
> back in the studio.
While I didn't get that upset (maybe I should say "sad") with the
fact that the 'jammers didn't get mentioning this time. But it is ok. I
think that we should never do someone a favor thinking about the reward.
Just a thought, Roger...
P.S.: But no doubt I'd like to see the 'jammers mentioned there.
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 20:27:44 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dream Theater Dates (fwd) Message-ID: <199710090027.UAA04740@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> Maybe, but that's not the point. How many pages of names were dropped off > on East/West's doorstep? Not one word about the Ytsejam in FII. I think > that's unacceptable.
Unacceptable is a pretty strong word. Sure, I was upset that I didn't see the word "Ytsejam" in there. But then I realized that I was listening to FII. They thanked the fans by releasing the best album they could. And for that, I'm grateful. Besides, we know who we are, and they know who we are.
And just imagine if HY or YNM takes off, and everyone buys FII, complete with mailing list info. Every jam would be half-full of "I'm in 8th grade in <your backwater state here> and I love you guys! James, you have beautiful hair! How do I get on your mailing list?"
While I'm thinking of it, why *does* FII have the British DTIFC address, but not the NYC address? Hmm...
> Yeah, Mike's the shit. As far as the fan club CD goes, it should have been > available to us for like $5.
I have to disagree. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who are as hardcore about being DT fans as we are, but they just can't afford a computer. Do they deserve to pay more for the fan club than we do?
Besides, the fan club is worth it. Neil has done a kick-ass job.
> D-man, none of this is directed at you. You just happened to pave the way > for some strong points that have been bothering me since FII came out, or > longer.
That was sufficiently clear, but thanks for reiterating it.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:27:59 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: James LaBrie and the Internet... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971008222300.784E-100000@hoare.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Eric Rodger wrote:
> >>>The band has more respect for us than you think, particularly Mike. I > think > >>>the problem is that their hands may be tied in expressing it. > > I don't disagree with this. I know Mike recognizes us, and has always been > the most interactive member when it came to our group. He and JM even did > the IRC discussion for us, a couple years ago. I listened to the Birch > Hill '95 show last night, and when James introduces ACOS, he mentions the > internet, but not the Ytsejam mailing list, and does it with this tone of > voice that sounds very UNappreciative. What saves it, is when Mike P. > tells James to say "yell out the PLEASE DON'T GO part". James announces > this very unenthusiastically, I guess because he knows that this part was > only evident on bootlegs, or something. I don't know why James is so > anti-Ytsejam, anti-Internet, but it's starting to piss me off.
Now, perhaps this is why James LaBrie told me that "I don't understand your language" when I said that I am a member of the Ytsejam mailing list. Perhaps he doesn't like computers :-) Of course, I was expressing myself in English (and Myung and Petrucci were muuuuuuuuuch cooler than I have ever thought they could be).
BTW, I'd really love to have a copy of the Birch Hill show (or other shows at the same place or whatever). Anyone wanna trade??
> KAI
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 20:28:28 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Lack of Thanks (re: FII) Message-ID: <199710090028.UAA04756@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> Personally, I thank my lucky stars that DT still exists...but that doesn't > mean that I expect to be patted on the head by Elektra (or the band, for > that matter) and told what a good, loyal fan I am.
Couldn't have said it better myself, Chad. Thanks for sharing that.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:41:10 -0400 From: kimpykins@juno.com (Jaime Kimpton) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3083 Message-ID: <19971008.204112.3174.0.kimpykins@juno.com>
Someone (dunno who, pulled it from D-Man's response) inquired thusly:
> Is Roundtable still managing DT, and if not, who is?
No. When Jim Pitulski, their previous manager, parted ways with them about two years ago, he took Round Table Entertainment with him. There were some legal battles going on about it -- I'm not sure if they've been completely resolved yet. Rob Shore took over as their manager when Jim left; I don't know if he still is.
Jaime (the Dragon -- who else?)
-- <kimpykins@juno.com> *** <sundrachen@aol.com>
"I am learning that criticism is not nearly as effective as sabotage!" --
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:36:13 -0500 From: "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dallas, Houston, Austin Message-ID: <19971009003819.AAA2424@hombre>
I know it *seems* like it's early to talk about this already, but before you know it, Dream Theater will be in the neighborhood. None of my friends like DT, so if anybody wants to hook up for the Dallas, Austin, and/or Houston shows, e-mail me and we'll work out some kind of caravan deal or something. Considering some of those have to fall on weekdays, I probably won't be able to go to all, considering I'm a busy Computer Science major (a la D-Man, although several years behind him =).
D. Ryan Whitaker David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net - http://www.geocities.com/soho/2236
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:44:03 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: SNZ Message-ID: <199710090042.TAA23596@Walden.MO.NET>
> I noticed something funny last month that I forget to post. I listened to > the Squirrel Nut Zipper's album (and it sucks) but their song that has been > getting airplay seems to have the lyrics from "Afterlife" by DT. Um, I hope this is a joke. I mean, the lyrics are very obviously different between the two songs.
Dale R. Newberry "People think I'm insane because I am frowning all the time." - Ozzy Osbourne
"Bein' crazy is the least of my worries." -Jack Kerouac
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